CHina--Japan ryukyu island, US took the ryukyu island and after WWII gave to Japan, China disagree.
China--India, India wants China to accept boundary based on English interpretation of the McMahorn line, China disagree.
China--Vietnam Vietnam claims spratley and paracel islands based on inheritance from French Colony. China diagree.

Alot of non-chineses think conflict must be China fault but little did they know that China is just previous fighting against imperialist unfair interpration who doesn't even live in Asia. Of courses, the western interpretation favors their former colonies. The Whites and European should have no say on the land disputes in Asia during the imperialist era.

agreed as long as they dont have to. but if smaller nations are in trouble european and western powers are obligated to pipe in.

The Philippines owns the Spratly



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalayaan,_Palawan

the land disputes between China and neighboring countries are result of the western imperialist actions,
Now, Vietnameses have the guts to say China is invade their islands, How ridiculous is that.

Those asian countries using the western interpretation as a front excuse and impose that on CHina should be ashamed of themselves.

what i see from the situation is the possible contructive cooperation between the countries who claims these islands. co-development of these islands is much better than any possible result comes from conflicts. what the asian nations need is a stable environment for development rather than nationalist feeling. i was nearly petrified by the posts in viet chat. some words such as " invasion" or "fight a war", hey, no one really benefits from a war in the 21th century. and i dont think either side is that innocent.

There's no point in getting angry at what your critics say. Just work hard at pushing/managing your interests.

It's like the old saying goes, he who angers you conquers you.

There really is no purpose in getting into a war of words with your enemies because they will something bad about you regardless. Just ignore them and concentrate on doing what you need to do, pushing national interests.

Not only are they using western interpretation as an excuse for claiming those uninhabited island, and they act they are as victims and planning to demonstrate against China invasion, for what? of course try to drum up for western support.
Man, they would try all kind low level tactics, reminds me of those Vietcong hardcore fighting mentality..

Just want to educate more people and make them realize it's wrong using former imperialist intrepetation and force on other country.

i actually know nothing about vietnam and their people. i think they have the right to demonstrate as long as it wont be off-hand. maybe it will bring out a reconciliation between the two countries. take it easy man

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands

The first possible recorded human interaction with the Spratly Islands dates back as far as 3BC. This is based on the discovery that the people of Nanyue (southern China and northern Vietnam) and Old Champa kingdom fishermen (modern-day central Vietnam) had been visiting the Spratly Islands and other South China Sea Islands for fishing annually.

Everyone can update information on wikipedia, its not a valid source.

Good, are you implying you are giving up the french claim? That's good start. You could throw the idea of Invasion out of the window.
of course those island are refuge for ships against rough sea. Fishermen and merchant ships used them, but no permanent inhabitants there.

Back then Southern China was part of Nam Viet Kingdom, so Chinese terrortories didn't reach the shortline of South China Sea. How could chinese even claim they landed on these islands before Vietnamese?

Are you claiming only the vietnameses are using the South China Sea, Not. CHinese sea merchant also used them.

anyway, the pt is at 1974 the uninhahibited island is still dispute and has not settled, throwing out the French colony claim. therefore idea of invasion against vietnamese terriotory is a complete farce.

Actually, Nan Yue was founded by Chinese general Zhao Tuo with its capital at Pan Yu (Guangzhou) and was a vassal state of the Han Dynasty before being formally annexed by Emperor Han Wudi. Keep in mind the name "Nam Viet" was rejected by the Jiaqing Emperor after a proposal was brought forth by the new Nguyen ruler to receive Chinese recognition, a compromise was accepted by both sides for the modern day name of "Vietnam" (lit. "South of Yue or Yue South"). I don't think Vietnamese even recognize Nan Yue as a Vietnamese entity.

Now you want to take out who landed on these islands first, and jump up to 1970.

China, as well as other countries, took advantage of Vietnam War and took these islands from us. Taiwan put claim on the islands based on Japanese occupation and placed it under Taiwan administration. China invaded the islands and took it from Viet Nam. If Viet Nam wasn't at war, these islands would be protected and guarded by Vietnamese.


There is no dispute. Viet Nam has historical evidence on our claim on these islands. We just don't have the navy might to protect it. There is no doubt in Vietnamese that these islands belong to Viet Nam, and we will fight for it.

We would rather see the islands go under water than letting you Chinese have an inch of our land.

We can give you a seaweed on the islands as souvenir.

No need for alarm. China just wants to develop these isolated barren islands into resort areas just like Hawaii for tourism. China is now after money these days. If these islands were indeed belonged to Vietnam, why wouldn't they develop them at the first place instead of screaming about it now? Have Vietnam already cultivated these, China probably won't need to do what they are doing now.

regarding the island china and vietnam fighting over about...is the island close to china border or vietnam border?

edit: nvm, i just saw the map.

the island is debatable.

Thailand, Philippine, Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam had never laid claims on these islands until last few decades ago. China, on the other hand, recognized them as parts of its territories god know for how many years. Chinese seafarer, traders, fish men and pirates have always used these islands for good storage, navigation guides and as treasure bury grounds for thousands and thousands of years. Maybe the best way to solve this problem is to play blackjack or poker. May the luckiest nation win them all.

You seem rather bitter/upset about this whole issue. Dude just calm down, grab a coke and chill

Chinese imperialism is there. We all know it. Will we stand by and let them continue their injustice? I don't think neighbouring countries will tolerate it and I hope ethnic minorities don't either.

Why should he calm down? This is a matter of national sovereignty for Vietnam. If they let this slide, who knows how far China will take its imperialism at the expense of others.

So Vietnam claiming an island is fair and China claiming Taiwan is imperialism?

whatever china does its "wrong" , everyone has sovereignty except china . too bad china is a big nation boarding with too many counties. someone who blames china should look at himself in the mirror, how about your country goes with your neighbers. imagines that what is like when your country have dozens of nations as your neighber.

i was trying to understand them.but having read the posts in vietnam chat, something like "japanese did less when they were in china " or just uncivilized swearing such as" chinese northern dog", ,why bother to argue?!

National sovereignty according to what? what's their basis. Obviously you have little knowledge on this and you making a judgement??? China is one fighting against the western interpretation.
In 1970s their assumption was based on inheriting French imperialist colony claim, that's was a fact. It was only until recently they are using "I left my stuffs behind" theory for their claim.
If you don't know what that is, then let me educate you a bit on this.
When the vietnamese fishermen took temporary refuge on those small island due to rough sea and typhoon, they stayed a short time, after the weather was clear, they moved on, but they left some stuffs behind. (In moderm time the proper manner would be clean up your trash after using) Now, they claimed because the stuffs they left behind was theirs which shows they live there therefore the island should be theirs"
Keep in mind those island was small, lack of water, they weren't meant support lives on a permanant basis. Therefore historically, there were no permanent residents there, that's was a fact.

Looks like you are siding /w the Vietnamese/French imperialist colony claim without knowing the history and facts and you
are already using national sovereignty for vietnam. What's your real objective?
China imperial is there, we all know it?? Give an concrete example. You don't want me to throw out some arbitray and irresponsible comments like "You are an imperialist because you can't find your own kind of girlfriend and have to hunt for chinese girl" or do you?

I won't so I am not.. So learn some history and give some concrete example instead

i dont think vietnam needs to be concerned ........ china wont attack an asian country but with india its different ..........
china wants to attack india so that it can demoralise the people plus it will stop foreign countries from investing in india and
thus bring down the number of competitors for china .......

they will come near the border start firing and then say that indians were the one who started
it, any excuse to start a war go barging in and then declare to the world how they overcame the great indians

if u dont believe me check out the wiki articles about china-vietnam , china - japan or any other china wars they dont have much chinese but for the china-india article u have millions of chinese discussing it why ?? .......... cos its a racial thing they hate the way indians look ........ i guess the caucasian look pisses them off .........

china has been so badly humiliated and disgraced in the japanese war that they have lost their minds they cannot bear to see happiness in other people ....... they want others to suffer .........

If you dont have any source to back up what u saiding, the best way is to keep your mouth shut.
Confucius said " It is bad enough when those around you think you are stupid , but to open your mouth and confirm it is tragic

All those are unsupported and unconfirmed.
But the fact is India wants China to accept English 's McMahorn line as boundary. it's undisputed in history. In 1962, chinese forces pushed back the advancing Indian forces. Basically said the McMAhorn line is unfair from chinese POV.
So, don't even think about try sidetrack the issue.

Yes, because the Parcel islands are mostly uninhabited, whereas Taiwan has 20 million people, many of them who would like to RULE their OWN LAND



No need to. I look at the map and its obviously MUCH closer to Vietnam. I don't think it would be illogical to think that most of the people living there are Vietnamese-related. fu-k the history lessons.

Because this is an internet forum, not Hardball w/ Chris Matthews.



Which is obviously being disputed at this point.



Disputing an uninhabited island is imperialism? You just said it yourself "Yes, because the Parcel islands are mostly uninhabited". Hmmm somebody is losing consistency here.



I highly doubt it considering that ethnic minorities are actually treated better than the majority Han.

Since your saying that the island is much closer to Vietnam, then Vietnam should have defended this island. But why couldnt they?

Those who say Fuk history will doom to fail, didn't your history teacher taught you anything?
anyway, you also flunked geography. Paracel island is not closer to Vietnam. It's a tossup.

im not surprise Vietnam is taking China's land, just look at how much the Vietnamese swallowed the Cambodian land...

SAIGON BELONGED TO CAMBODIA PEOPLE!!!

Well, Vietnam is very odd country, it's the only SouthEast Asian country adopted the Confucism and mixed with their tribalism; bad, bad mixture. And that's why they acting so weird. WHy can't they act like the rest of Southeast asians folks.

Sorry Lilzz but not every SEA country wants that kind of "friendship" with China.

Just because the Chinese government killed millions of its own people in its Great Leap Forward campaign and slaughter its children in the Tiannanman square massacre doesn't mean every asian country has to emulate that.

Seriously, your folks need rid of the confucism in your system, it's bad mixture. The bad mixture is what I call the Vietcong syndrome. Or take a page out of Philippine, adopt a more open, and more happy outlook like the rest of southeast asians.

Yeah right and what did the Malays get from that? Oh yeah now all their countries are dominated by Chinese economically, and the Chinese populated a lot and became the majority and took Singapore from the Malays.

There's a difference between being "happy" and being "suicidal".

There you go, you are disrepecting your fellow SouthEast ASians.
There' more than just economic, how about inner happiness, spiritualism, harboring less hatred, less revengeful? Doesn't that count? ANyways, you still need to rid of confucism in your system. It's bad mixture and bad for your health. Starting from now.

Less vengeful? Tell that to the Indonesians during the Jakarta riots. Be thankful that we Vietnamese aren't that vengeful. Personally everyone in the world should forget their anger and join hands in friendship. Life is short.

We are arguing on and on and on, but fact still remain Vietnam is only SouthAsian country that adopts the chinese confucism. And from Chinese POV, it's a bad mixture.

saigon, situated in funan, used to belong the the funanese malays before the chenla khmers swallowed it.



but anyway, everyone was imperialistic in the past, khmers included. but now we are talking about the modern times (21st century), beyond the age of empires. we are not in the past anymore.

dont worry comrades, with the current force of PLAN and PLAAF are enough secure our land or rather we r capable to recapture more lands.
as for vietnam if they dont fuk off we shall nuke them coz bombs wont do much as the americans tried in the 50s

Will you be leading ur men or just having a wank over gay porn???

Yes, nukes with the label ''Made in USA'' will fall on you.

No nuke needed. Just try organize some worldwide and in china people's demonstration against Vietnam's imposing French colonial claim on chinese territories. Protests in their consulates We can show them China's People's Power is enough to overwhelm. Majority rule!! just like in a democracy too!!

they dare not, tats wat got Macarthur fired for.

they have no democracy in vietnam they r all brainwashed and their homes got bombed into the ground by the american.**more bombs than they used in WWII but these ppl somehow breed like cockroach never die out and tats wat scares the americans out of vietnam.

No one lives in those islands, and they're occupied by the PRC. So yes, someone does live there, which is a PRC garrison. So by your logic, shouldn't the islands be China's then?

Well I guess since Vietnam won 1979

Well, their protests are just little games to get sympathy and attention worldwide. People in China can get much bigger world attention, 100X bigger. Protest against the vietnamese spratley occpuation.
Remember, they sneaking for worldwide attention and sympathy so don't fall for that trap and weapons are for last resorts.

there are only about 8,000 troops actually fought in the 1979 the rest are all busy doing the red guard and fighting the 1 million strong soviet army up in the north. yet china did sustain a high causalities like the Americans the Vietnamese suffered even more yet they never dies out like a black hole tat keep drain out china's resource and manpower which lead china to change its mind to stop the conflict and focus on the soviets instead.