I have not heard about the killing in the southernmost provinces for several days. I'm not sure that it is becuse of the press don't want to report it anymore or the insurgents decided to stop chopping ppl head off and watching SEA GAMES instead.

Anyway, I 've some questions to ask you guys about the future of my region.

Will the problem get worse if the PPP(Thaksin's TRT) comes back to power?

Will the problem be solved by the PPP gov?

Will the rest of the south join the southernmost provinces to form a new independent country/autonomous state?

OR there will never be a PPP government?

What do you think?

I think you havent heard of any kill cuz the terrorist is also busy w the flooding and ofcause they cant plant bomb in that flooding condition.

The situation would b bit relief if PPP is goverment ,but PPP can only stay as goverment for short I think.

Yeah it's flooding down there...
I hope PPP will act tough toward this issue because it's been so long.

"Act tough"?? How? Get your Uncle Bush to nuke Pak T'ai?

Listen up man, you already have over 30,000 Thai combat troops with tons of heavy military equipment and massive conventional firepower; 12,000 police personnel; thousands of Thai irregulars (rangers, scouts and assorted para-militaries) and a motley crew of vigilantes and bogeymen; plus at least a thousand psychological warfare operatives infiltrating Malay villages. Bangkok has even allowed the formation of a ruthless, murderous private army to counter the Patani insurgents (the juwae), known as Chud Ruam Thai , formed in 2005 by Police Colonel Phitak Iadkaew of Yala police.

The result? You lose territories, inch by painful inch, everyday to the Malay insurgents.

Why? Because your Thai army just aren't fighting. These conscripts (mostly poor young boys from Isaan, Lanna and Korat) have no desire to fight the locals in a totally alien land with a distinct language and culture. They just want to complete their 6-mth tour of duty and get the heck out of there in one piece, d!ck and all!

One more phenomenon. The more troops sent to the southern battlefields, the more brutal the insurgency, with more lethal firepower. You know why? These troops ended up trading in their M-16s, M-79s and RPGs for contraband and greenbacks. These armaments and supplies are usually "lost" in staged ambushes where the Thai conscripts make their "retreat" without most of their weaponry and supply packs. Dissenting comrades (mostly Bangkok-area recruits) would be shot at close range. By the time the news make it to Thai Rath or Matichon, the story evolved into: "3 soldiers killed in insurgent ambush. 12 others retreat to safety." Thats why in recent mths the Thai generals are sending troops from the Thai 1st, 2nd and 3rd Armies from other parts of Thailand. The Thai 4th Army based in Patani is already too involved in a seamless live-and-let-live protocol with the Malay insurgents. Hence, they are now in charge of only Songkhla's amphur Sabayoi, Na Thawi, Thepha and Chana. The only really effective Thai troops with spirit and weaponry able to match the resolve and determination of the Malay insurgents are those based in the Bangkok army region. But the generals won't risk them and their tanks, APCs and heavy duty guns that could be lost in battle or be sold to the Malay insurgents down south. More importantly, the generals of the CNS need them to control Thaksin and his PPP masses, when things inevitably get out of hand again within the next 6-12 mths.

You know, everytime fresh troops arrive in the regular 6 mth rotation cycles (usually in 700-men battalion), the Malay juwaes jumped with joy and delight. More fresh weaponry to chose from ......... and the carnage continues. And I've not even began to talk about the Thai police of the 9th Police Region based down south!

Bottom-line: Thaksin and PPP are godsends for the Patani Malay insurgents. More troops = more weaponry for the insurgents to buy. More hardline stance = more global awareness of the liberation struggle. More weird Thaksin-speak = more positive PR for the insurgency.

Well, since most Thais somehow still adore Thaksin and his PPP puppets, you deserve what you'll get in the Patani Region.

The central Thai always with the Southerner. We vote for democrat party. Unfortunately, those who vote for PPP are the Easarn who out number.

it is sad, ain't it?

some people just don't look beyond their pockets.

thakky put more money in their pockets, they've never asked where the money come from

thakky robs middle class people money to buy votes from the poors

thakky then gives the poors some candies

then he takes the big delicious sweet cakes

it is sad

goodbye thailand

thailand will never be the same again

Pull down the whole country to serve Esarn will ,kinda crap. Im thinking of moving out to stay in Africa

yep, thought about selling everything and move to canada or somewhere else too.

but then they will have this beautiful country and the most beautiful b!tches in the world for themselves.

i don't want to do that

think about it

ladies from the north are the most beautiful in the world

their bodies, their maners, their hospitalities and their.....

dude, i just can't leave thailand for a day


So. Stay put. Stand UP! And fight back. If I don't have a good time here, I will guarantee that They don't too.

Fight, dude, Fight!

And sleep with northern and e-san girls, if it'd make you feel better

ummm....good time,

Issan people want the good life too.

I wish I can be like you and have many wives and if I die from a Jihad I will go to paradise and have many virgins waiting for me. Ofcourse, with my luck I will meet hores and they will taunt me to eternity in hell. By the way, do you really think about Issan people in a negative light. Don't you think that the wealthies are using the divide and conquered strategies against the poor.

dude!

divide and conquer? no.

thakky using poor voters as a bargain chip

he asking "if you(elitists and army) want peaceful thailand back, drop the cases against me

or i will just paying those poors people to protest in bkk everyday

and i got tons and tons of money "

will the army accept it, i don't know

if the army drop the cases, the army loses face and people will not look at the justice system the same again

if the the army don't accept it, prepare for the first civil war between his supporters and everyone else

and yes, i know that most thai people can be bought with just small amount of money

I dont expect that we can take Thaksin to jail ,but atleast proved that he is guilty. It just for the sake of justice ,for those who die on war on drug and southern violent.

And if PPP dont mention about remove all Thaksin case I am not too fuss that they gonna b goverment. But from what I c they are obviously Thaksin marionette.

Karibu, welcome to Afrika! We be here with coconuts waiting for u, khun aero!

But seriously speaking, what is this rivalry with Esarn folks up north? My boss has a maid from Esarn who is 55 years old and still working as a maid because she cannot afford to retire yet. What is the matter with the people who want to vote for a slice of the global economic pie? Maybe they realise the old way of doing things just won't change their lives for the better...? You know, the king's pet projects for agriculture etc... juz won't cut it. (Sorry, this is not my opinion.. i just relayed an Esarn point of view...)

hmmm...

i really don't want to do this. But I will do it. Hopefully, I don't get sued. My next sentences are for the sake of this discussion only. Don't sue me. I'm just turned 16.

o.k. Here we go.

Let me compare the royal projects and thakky's policies.

villagers want to eat fish. They go to their village's river. The river is so polutted. There is no fish.

they then go to the royal project office. The next day, people from the office come with some kind of machine and some books on how to keep the water clean and telling the villagers that they will come back next month when the river has enough oxygen for the fish.

A month later, they come with small fish.

6 months later , the villagers can eat fish.


Another village, villagers want to eat fish. They go to Thakky party. The party give them Bt200 to buy fish and a booklet on how to vote.


Hope you get the picture.

And the fish is also sell by his company which open in far away island to avoid tax

I am sorry but this sounds like a paternalistic conspiracy to keep the villager a villager. For the old aunty here, she wants to be connected with global economy.

Why can the middle class bangkokians connect with the global economy while the villager in Esarn not? Sure, Thakky is corrupt and all, but there is a fundamental problem within Esarn and the Pattani folks that they are not being allowed to connect with global economy by the central folks.

Where is your solution for that? Royal projects to keep the rivers clean and the villagers keep on fishing for their own dinners?

don't play dumb, tanga

i hate it when smart people pretend to be stupid,

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the royal projects focus on trouble are like where people growing opiums, the soil really bad to grow anything, area that affected by natural disaster, or drought area

there are thousands projects around the country

the projects not focusing on making people millionaires

the projects main purpose is to help people in that area to stand up on their own feet and proud of themselves so they can move to the next level



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everyone in thailand can connect to global economy

we don't have law tp prevent anyone from globalization, capitalism, blah blah blah

there are many e0sarn people who work hard and work smart and success in life

there are many e-sarn kids who become doctors, engineers, scientists, ......

let me be clear that in Thailand you have the oportinuty to be whatever you want if you work hard enough

we don't have law to treat any ethnic group special

the classic example is the chinese immigrants success stories

did they need royal projects? no.

did thakky policies help them?no. thakky not even born

but why most e-sarn people still are what they were several decades ago

i don't know.

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and please don't separate us by using words like "royal supporters" and "thaksin supporters"

i still believe that thaksin is very loyal to the king

it is just some of his advicers that are not

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and if you read that article that i gave you the link

one sentence that can sum up the real problem that we are facing is that "thailand is deeply devided along religion, region and class"

believe me if we don't respect the king, thailand might be worse than pakistan

southerners and northeners+e0sarn are sharpening their knives and counting bullets waiting for the time to kill each other
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Hey don't get upset with my choice of words. I am juz relaying my impression of what an uneducated peasant class esarn old woman who has worked abroad thinks about how to be part of the global economy. Of cuz there is no law in Thailand which prohibits anyone from globalization, but the poor in the rural areas don't get the 'connection' to credit as easily as others in the urban areas. I definitely noticed tat alot that "Thailand is deeply divided along religion, region and class."

I am not suggesting that the royal projects be replaced totally by harebrained populist schemes from TRT nor heavens forbid, suggesting that u abolish the monarchy, but rather that the peasants be enabled to stand on their own two feet without paternalistic approach. Everyone who is given the chance to access the markets and credits easily will stand on their own. I have witnessed that with my own grandparents who left behind their farmer's lives and became traders all in one generation.

Anyways, maybe u are at risk of "tribalism" if u don't have the royalty to unite all the different classes of thais .. but i think nationalism and the chance for fair distribution and access to the economic pie is something that must be talked about openly in Thailand. All this division along religion, region and class must be openly talked about in dialogue, so that southerners, northerners and esarns are not paranoid about each other wanting to kill one another.

People only talk murderous talk when they perceive that their pockets are being looted unfairly.

Btw, please don't turn this thread into a Royal supporter versus Taksin supporter rivalry camp rubbish, this is not what I am talking about, I am talking about the class divisions here that goes right through the Thai societies. It irks me to say this but there is something wrong with Thai class system when I hear this old esarn lady refusing to mingle with the Thai expats here because she said invariably after a few minutes of pleasantries, they will ignore her or worse subtly make it distinct that she is a low class peasant servant and steer her into a corner. She would rather stay alone in her servants quarters than take up her embassy's formal invitation to mingle with other thais during the Loy Krathong festival celebrations!

This old lady has had a taste of the global economy, she earns her salary in US dollars as a devoted nanny to an expat family. She wants her presence to be noted by the powers-that-be, and not be shooshed like she's some coolie.

^
And does she think about coming back to her home land and doing some things ? I guess no.
There are so many Esarn people that got a good chance in carrier or get educate like the lady. But what they do is not promote their identity or developp their home country. All they do is just leave their homeland. And the one who in there is the one who has not that much chance to go out like the poor and old people though.

Esarn problem is about attitude that they not push things enough. Anatta example on King project is the most obvious one ,many of the villagers prefer Thaksin way which is short term and easy. And the local politician take advantage from these people by populist policy make a promise on them and made they rely on the politican. There is no long term and action plan to solve the bottom line of the problem.


To solve these problem I only recommend to decentralize Thailand ,different part manage as state goverment and manage their own budget. Then if a state is suffer people there cant blame on others. Sound hard for the country which try to even deny on the fact that Thai people are diverse isnt it?

P'Aero, I know I'm too young and still don't know a lot of things but...Can you don't look so down on khon Esarn? My mum left khorat to get a good education in Chula, after that she went on to get a MBA in Columbia business school. She never forget where's she's from, and is a volunteer in royal initiated projects there. She also helps in the education admin matters in khorat and khon kaen.

She helps rally Thais in Singapore to donate to charities back home, yang ngee jah riek wah mai huk chart ror ka ?

Khon Esarn are not Chinese, they are not such scheming and strong willed, and cold people like them. Khon Esarn are naturally soft and simple folks, it's just hardship that forces them to go into the prosituting occupation. They're just easy going folks that are sucks too rapidly into the increasing modernizing and jai dum society.

พวกคุณคุยอะำำไรกันหน่ะ ทั้งสติปัญญาคิดได้แค่นี้ " เอาดีใส่ตัวเอาชั่วใส่คนอื่น" คิดให้ลึกกว่านี้ไม่ได้แล้วหรือ
เงินไม่ใชแค่่ปัจจัยเดียว ที่คนเขาจะเลือกหรือ ไม่เลือก ไม่มีเทวดาตัวไหนหรอกที่จะไปเดืนซื้อเสียงได้ทุกเสียง กับทุกๆคน 10-20 กว่า ล้านเสียง ได้ มันมีปัจจัยอื่นอีกมากมาย ไม่จำเป็นเสมอไปด้วยซ้ำ ที่คนรับเงินคนจะต้องเลือกคนทีจ่ายเงิน ถ้าประชาชนมีตัวเลือกอื่นที่ดีกว่า และสามารถเข้าถึงเข้าได้อย่างแท้จริง ไม่ใช่เลือกตั้งที่ก็ไปหาเขาที หลายคนเขารับ แต่ไม่เลือกก็มีเยอะ

ผมไม่ใช้แฟนของกลุ่มทักษิณ และ ไม่เคยเห็นพรรคการเืมืองใด ดีไปกว่ากันเลย

พวกคุณพูดเหมือนว่าการคอรัปในเมืองไทย เพิ่งจะมีเิกิดขึ้นในยุคทักษิณ การคอรัปชั้นแบ่งปันประโยชนใส่พรรพวก มีมาคู่สังคมไทยตลอดทุกซอกมุม ข้าราชการ ทหาร ตำรวจ นัการเมืองทุกยุค นักธุรกิจเห็นแก่ได้ทุกยุคทุกสมัย แต่ที่เป็นเดือดเป็นร้อนขึ้นมากกับทักษิณเพราะอะไร เพราะทักษิณแดกรวบคนเดียว ไม่แบ่งให้กลุ่มอำนาจอื่น พรรคอื่น นายทุนอื่น

แล้วมันดีกว่ากันยังไง ระหว่างอีแร้งหนึ่งตัวกินตัวเดิยวทั้งหมด กับ แบ่งกับอีแร้ง 100 ตัวร่วมหัวกันกิน มันก็หมดเหมือนกัน เ่ท่ากัน ยังไงเสียมันก็เหลือแค่เศษซากให้ ประชาคน คนด้อยโอกาส เท่าเดิม หรือ น้อยกว่า มาตลอด

ปัญหาทั้งหมด ทั้งมวล มาจาก ปัญหาโครงทางสังคมทั้งโครงสร้าง ไม่ใช่มากจากกลุ่มใด กล่มหนึ่งโดยตรง

เพราะคิดกันได้แค่นี้ (ดีคือกูชั่วคือคนอื่น กูเอาดี ส่่วนขี้ให้คนอื่น ) ปัญหาถึงไม่จบซะที ไม่มองไปที่ความปรองดอง ความมั่นคงของประเทศเป็นหลัก (ถ้าลองคำนวนความสูญเสียทางเศรฐกิจ สังคม ในช่วงความวุ่นวายแตกแยกและัรัฐประหาร 2 ปีที่ผ่่านมา แน่นอนว่าต้องสูญเสียมากกว่าที่ทักษิณกินไปเสียด้วยซ้ำ) มองที่แค่ตัวบุคคลแค่นั้น ไม่มองว่า ประชาธิประไตย ไม่ได้จบแค่ที่การเลือกตั้ง ระบบมีองค์ประกอบอีกมาก ที่จะให้ประเทศเดินหน้าต่อไปได้ ข้อดีของปะชาธิปไตยก็คือ " ไม่จำเป็นต้องเอาพระอรหันต์ มาปกครองประเทศ" (ซึ่งไม่มีทางหาได้อยู่แล้ว)เพราะ ระบบไม่ได้ขึ้นอยู่กับบุุุคคลคนเดียว มีองค์ประกอบอีกมากมาย สามารถช่วยแม้กระทั้งนายกปัญญาออ่นให้บริหารประเทศยังได้เลย ถ้า ร่วมกัน ประคับประครอง ให้ เป็นไปตามระบบจริงๆ ระบบตรวจส่อบที่เข้มแข็งจา่กฝ่ายค้าน สื่อมวลชน(ที่ดี) องค์กรณ์อิสระ ที่เข็มแข็ง

ให้เอามาเฟียมาเป็นนายกยังได้เลย ถ้าระบบตรวจสอบ ถ่วงดุลย์อำนาจ สื่อมวลชน เข็มแข็งพอ โครงสร้างทางสังคม การเมือง ธุรกิจที่พร้อม ฝ้ายค้านไม่ห่วยอย่างที่เป็นมา ที่มัวแต่นั่งรอส่วนแบ่งอีแร้งการเมือง เขาให้ก็เงียบ เขาไม่ให้จึงโวย

เพราะฉน้นอย่าไปโทษคนใดคนหนึ่ง มันก็ชั่วดีพอๆกัแหละ แต่คนละแบบ

คนที่เป็นประชากรไทย ใครก็ตามที่ชอบพูดถึงคนอื่นๆ กลุ่มอื่น ในทางเสียๆหาย ให้พยายามหันมามองตัวเองดีกว่า ก่อนจะพูดจะเขียนใ้้ห้มันเหมือนออกมาจากมันสมองหน่อย อย่าให้มันเหมือนออกมาจากหัวแม่ตีน เต็มไปด้วยอคติทางชาติพันธ์ อวดดี ยิ่งยโส ขาดความรับผิดชอบต่อสงคมประเทศโดยรวมทั้งหมด การพูดให้เกิืดความรู้สึกแบ่งพรรค แบ่งภาค แบ่งพวก มีแต่จะนำให้ประเทศต่ำ ฉิบหายลงไป เท่านั้นเอง และไม่ใช่ช่วงเวลาที่ประเทศต้องการอย่างนี้ชะด้วย ลองดูซิว่าถ้าความฉิบหาย จากความเกียจซัง เกิดขึ้นจริง จะมีลิงตัวไหนในประเทศนี้ อยู่ได้สบายบ้าง แค่ 3 จังหวัดที่เป็นอยู่ ก็จะแย่กันอยู่แล้ว

P'Learner, I agree with you. But vote buying, sadly is a big problem there too. But gosh, your argument make me feels like hugging you so much!!!!1

Some people way of winning is to look down on other or name calling, so they can feel good about them self.

Hi Knong ,If I dont really care on Esarn and just want to look down on them I woundnt care on figure out what is going on up there,just go with the cheap shot Krap. My feeling is more on worry and upset. If there are more people like your mom Esarn would be better place.


You are right about Esarnese is the easy going people and they been take advantage and they get angry. The problem is from the middle man in their area.
Forexample,they face the low price problem from the middleman when they want to grow rice. When they want to farm cattle ,they also stuck with the price from middle man too. To solve this is just remove the middleman and manage the cash and product flow more effectively .its more than enought.

อย่ารวมประเด็นระหว่างเรื่องของประเทศกับอิสานครับ แล้วก็ไม่จำเป็นต้องก้าวร้าวด้วยครับ ที่คุยกันมาถึงตรงนี้มันไปไกลกว่าประเด็นทักษิณหรือไม่เอาทักษิณ

ถ้าจะคุยกันเรื่องโดยรวมแล้วน่ะมันก็จริงอย่างที่คุณพูดเรื่องระบบการตรวจสอบของเรามันบกพร่องเหมือนฮั้วกันเลย แต่ที่ดูๆมาในตอนนี้ผมมองเห็นว่าฝ่ายนิติบัญญัติ ตรวจสอบได้ดีขึ้น ผมเองก็แค่รู้เรื่องการเมืองจากสื่อจริงๆแล้วใครจะฮั้วกับไครหรือลึกขนาดไหน ไม่มีใครรู้หรอก และเรื่องการซื้อเสียงน่ะมันมีจริงและเยอะมากใน ภาคเหนือกับอิสานด้วยผมฟังจากคนที่เขากลับไปเลือกตั้งมา (หัวละ 500 ครับ) แต่ที่สงสัยทำไมถึงจับไม่ได้ไล่ไม่ทันเลย ล่ะ หรือ กกตไม่กล้าจับเพราะกลัวอิทธิพลท้องถิ่น

ว่าแต่ "รัฐ"น่ะจริงใจกับเราหรือปล่าว

ลองซูม ไปที่ "คนมีหน้ามีตา"หรือ "คหบดี"ของแต่ละจังหวัดหรือท้องถิ่นนั้นๆดูสิครับ

มันไล่มาตั้งกะสมัยพ่อค้าหากินกับค้าของเถื่อน+ยาเสพติด+อาวุธ ผู้รับเหมา+ข้าราชการ +ตำรวจ+ทหาร หรือแม้กระทั่งหากินกับแนวความคิดทางการเมืองทั้งฝั่งแดงและฝั่งขาว

และคนหรือลูกหลานของคนพวกนี้ก็กลายมาเป็น"ทั่นผู้ทรงเกียรติ"ในปัจจุบัน

ผมไม่ได้ชี้นำอะไรนะครับลองหาข้อมูลดู ถ้าคุณไปเที่ยวต่างจังหวัด ลองคุยกับคนบนรถทัวร์หรือรถไฟดู จะได้รู้เรื่องพวกนี้อีกเยอะเลยครับ

my mothers side family is a middleman in udon. i heard mom talked to dad once that this year my uncle complained that he got only 5 million b. form the business my dad didnt earn that much. being middleman must earn a lot of money from agricultural product. actually half of that money should goes to people who grow agricultural product เกษตรกร.

In term of middle man that is not the one who earn and monopolize is the one who able to take such a control and made people rely on them like sell them the seed and buy an agriculture product. The close example one is CP which has enough power to control on agriculture product price

The middle man in this term is also mean media as well krap. The way to access to resouce and also the way people access to knowledge or information is the key things on the issue.

Khun aero, don't forget also access to capital and credit. How easy is it for rural people to get access to capital and credit? As a Bangkokian, u probably get access to a Citibank visa card the moment u get a job in the city. But howabout an Esarn youth who's educated and goes back to the North? Is there a money structure that allows him to apply for credit like u and lead a highflier's life?

The old lady I met here - she cook for me sticky rice yesterday btw! - she cannot go back to Esarn because she is uneducated and will never be able to find a job there that makes the same salary as a nanny to expats. So, u cannot blame her for not taking her skills and talents back to her home country. At least, she is sending money home to her family to pay for living expesnes. She had a daughter who was 16 yrs old when she left Esarn to Krabbi to work in the hotel industry, she died in a car crash 3 years ago, so Khun Biang has got nobody to look after her in her old age and will have to work for as long as she can. She is simple and straightforward indeed, but she knows when someone is looking down on her and treating her like a low class status.

what a topic!

where is it now? oh i see, a thousand mile away.


How about back to the topic

Be any, at least, workable goverment please,!
enough with coup, and hope for less violence in the South.
Hope all parties learned that compromise is only the way out for all nerves. let's bring back international community confidence and trust , both economical and political.

agree ka but media ownership is the key too besides govt control media like tv and radio see ASTV they are so bias. lets dad listen alone

though my mother moved to bkk she still considered herself kon esan. mom and i voted ppp unlucky they lost to Democrat in my area.

i like this polical party name PEOPLE POWER PARTY <----- say it all.

1. ไม่จริงเพราะแค่ประโยคก็ไม่ถูกหลักตรรกศาสตร์แล้ว เช่นเป็นไปไม่ได้ที่คนโกงจะแบ่งผลประโยชน์ให้กับคนทุกกลุ่มอำนาจเท่ากันแล้วถึงแม้จะทำได้จะทำไปทำไม
2. ยังไม่เคยมีคนโกงถูกจับได้ แล้วยังหน้าด้านอยู่ต่อ
3. ความปรองดองก็ส่วนความปรองดอง ถ้าโจทก์ปรองดองกับจำเลยในคดีเจตนาฆ่าคนตายซึ่งศาลเห็นแล้วว่าผิดจริง แล้วจำเลยไม่ต้องติดคุกหรือ
4. งั้นคุณก็เอามาเฟียมาเป็นนายกละกัน ส่วนผมขอบาย


ประเด็นคือประเทศไม่ได้ขาดความปรองดองแต่ประเทศขาดความเป็นธรรมในสังคม สิ่งที่เกิดขึ้นในกรณีของคุณทักษินทำให้คนไทยรู้สึกท้อแท้ที่จะเป็นคนดี ท้อแท้ต่อศรัทธาในระบบศาลยุติธรรมซึ่งคุณทักษินได้เข้าไปทำการแทรกแซง และถ้าเป็นเช่นนั้นจริงประเทศก็จะถึงกาลอวสาน ถ้าคุณดูข่าวในช่วงนี้คุณก็คงจะเห็นบทบาทของศาลมากขึ้น

กรุณาอย่าเอาสิ่งที่ออกมาจากหัวแม่ตีนของคุณออกมาให้ชาวบ้านอ่านอีกเพราะเขาจะนึกว่ามันออกมาจากหัวคุณ

The access to capital and credit in rural Thailand are as available as any other developed countries. The problem really is not about having enough access but what you would do to prevent the given credit from becoming NPL (non-performing loan). If you look at the current amount of NPL in thailand which is about 254 billion bahts as of july 20007, you would know that the accessiblity of credit are there. And beside banking, people who work for the government can have access to moeny through governmentally funded trust known as สหกรณ์. The government also provide trust fund for poor people by allowing them to sell or loan by putting their agricultural products as a collateral.

Most people (that I know) borrow money from bank or government to buy cars and houses. Almost all of them never intended to turn the borrowed money into something productive, something that would generate them more income. It's not because they are stupid, but the amount of money given to them are not nearly enough to make them any bussiness. Buying a car that gives them way to transport to work in many places seem like a good choice, and it probably is a good very idea. But sometimes and most of the time it's not enough to compensate with the amount of increasing debt.