http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_people

when Japan back then when they are poor and backward , nobody wants near them , now they are rich , everybody wants to claim as their close kin . Such morality

Oh yeah,of course

so how would this affect you?

I don't care.Because there's no japanese haha Who cares (middle finger to them lol)

Read this.

http://discovermagazine.com/1998/jun/japaneseroots1455

I like what the writer says. We need a dispassionate, objective search for the truth.

If anyone has other articles on this interesting subject, please post the link.

Thanks.

... haha ... ain't that the truth,ancient Chi-nee belittled Japanese as 倭 ( dwarfs ) and fake Chi-nee Chosen people ( Coreans ) followed suit for being a full-fledged " little CHINA ".

Checked out Professor William Wayne Farris' "Sacred Texts and Buried Treasure". He has a very detailed, balanced, and respectable analysis of Korean-Japanese relations. I whole-heartedly recommend it.


Regarding similarities of Korean and Japanese art and architecture, many are made by immigrant Korean craftsmen !


Professor Walter Edwards (of Tenri University) is one of the top Western scholars on the evolution of the kofun. He also wrote a rebuttal to Gari Ledyard's article. "Galloping along with the Horseriders".He says that kofun found in South Korea resemble 5th century keyhole-shaped kofun. However, even in the Yayoi period, round burial mounds had annexed rectangular portions that are believed to have once held ceremonies for the dead. These evolved into the keyhole-shaped kofun that are so well known today in the late 3rd/early 4th century. Therefore, by the time of any supposed Horserider invasion, keyhole shaped kofun were already on their way in development. Edwards is no die-hard Japanese nationalist who posits a Japanese invasion of Korea (keep in mind he's an archaeologist--that's his evidence), but he believes that keyhole-shaped kofun were one example of a cultural aspect that moved from Japan to the peninsula. He makes no claim of a political rulership over Korea, but gives evidence of bilateral relations between Paekche and Japan (an anachronistic term, really) as making this claim possible.


Therefore, the more I read, the more I can't see kofun shape as supporting the Horserider Theory.

I've recommended it before and I will recommend it again: J. Edward Kidder, Jr.'s "Himiko and Japan's Elusive Chiefdom of Yamatai" provides a *fantastic* view of Jomon, Yayoi, and Kofun period Japan.

Sineria's Northeast Asians (Ainu) mixed with South East Asians (Malayo-Polynesian speaking peoples) to form the Jomon People. The Jomon People then inhabited the Japanese archipelago until the great migrations of southern Chinese and Koreans mixed the melting pot a bit more to form the Yayoi People.

Just to let you guys know, J. Edward Kidder, Jr. has done a new translation of the Wei Zhi section on the Wa in his recent "Himiko and Japan's Elusive Chiefdom of Yamatai" (2007). It's *very* well done.

His case for Yamatai being located in the Kinai is also very convincing and well-argued.

I found this English-subtitled video about the roots of Japanese people.

Delves into genetic research which has totally changed notions of who the Japanese are. Overturns Koreans' claim that the Japanese are descendants of Koreans. Rather, the Japanese are a very diverse people made up of Ainu, Okinawan, Chinese, and various other genetic sequences.

The Modern Japanese were thought to be a mixture of ancient Jomon and Yayoi Peoples. Recent Genetic Research has proven that the Jomon and Yayoi People themselves were a mixed ethnicity even when they first reached the Japanese Islands.

http://oniazuma.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/idenshi/

According to Chinese history records, Huimo ( Yemak 穢貊 ) was formed by two peoples ( Korean nationalists staunchly claimed these were their ancient ancestors ).One being Hui (穢) and the other being Mo (貊). Hui people used to populated around China's Shangdong peninsula. Mo people used to populated around the northern edge of China's Hebei and Shangxi provinces. Some branches of Hui (穢) people and Mo (貊) people migrated to Manchuria. After their arrival to the southern Mancuria and North Korea, some clans of Hui and Mo merged and evloved into a new tribal alliance of Huimo ( Yemak 穢貊 ) at the eastern side of North Korea.Some of Hui and Mo populated a large territory of southern and south-central Macnhuria. They did not merged into a single people initially and live independently in Southern Manchuria. Maybe I should change the wording of Huimo system into Hui-Mo system just to make a distinguishing from that single Huimo tribal alliace in the eastern North Korea.Later,they became the Puyo 夫餘 clans ( predecessor of Baekje or Paekche in southern Korea peninsula ).

Oh ... ultra-nationalist Koreans romanticized that Yamato Royal House was founded by the Puyo people.

Then,Japan's Royal House is indeed of " CHINESE ORIGIN "

Koreans do not have a DNA YAP+ at all that 50% of Japanese men have.

Abstract Using the data on mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) restriction polymorphism, the gene pools of Koreans (N = 164) and Mongolians (N = 48) were characterized. It was demonstrated that the gene pools were represented by the common set of mtDNA haplogroups of East Asian origin (M*, M7, M8a, M10, C, D4, G*, G2, A, B*, B5, F1, and N*). In addition to this set, mtDNA haplogroups D5 and Y were identified in Koreans while Mongolians possessed haplogroup Z. Only in Mongolians, a European component with the frequency of 10.4% and represented by the mtDNA types belonging to haplogroups K, U4, and N1, was identified. Phylogenetic and statistical analyses of the data on mtDNA variation in the populations of South Siberia, Central, and East Asia suggested the existence of interpopulation differentiation within these regions, the main role in which was played by the geographical and linguistic factors. Analysis of the pairwise F ST distances demonstrated close genetic similarity of Koreans to Northern Chinese, which in turn, were clearly different from Southern Chinese populations. Mongolians occupied an intermediate position between the ethnic groups of South Siberia and Central/East Asia.

Genetic connection between Ainu & Jomon 縄文 people of Japan,Japanese are more of indigenous stock ( not related to Koreans ) than previously realized

English-subtilted video ..... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CguNE9vcd-8

can you link any reliable sources to back your statements up?

puyo kingdom was located in manchuria and north korea. baekje is a completely different matter.

btw i dont care if japanese were descendants of koreans/chinese/ainu/SE asians/mongolian/whatever. japanese has its unique culture, people and modern culture. whats the point of saying japanese are related to something when they are completely different now.

Sure .....

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=z...2US233%26sa%3DG

穢貊 (Yemack)是中國東北的古老的民族，又稱貉、貉貊或藏貊，古文獻稱之為“白民”，“毫人”或“發人”。 濊貊族是由濊人和貊人汇合而成，以农业城栅为特点，不同于游牧族。濊貊族是由濊人和貊人匯合而成，以農業城柵為特點，不同於游牧族。

早期社會 <br />濊貊族在夏商時本居於山東半島 ，屬東夷民族，週滅商時，濊貊族被周所迫，大部分向東北遷徙，並以鬆嫩平原為中心定居下來，其活動竹範圍比較廣闊，最南端在長城以北，與燕國為鄰；東北部在遼河以東，與肅慎族相接。 濊貊族早在西周时代，就是周王朝的臣属国。濊貊族早在西周時代，就是周王朝的臣屬國。 春秋时期，齐桓公曾经发动过对濊貊的战争。春秋時期，齊桓公曾經發動過對濊貊的戰爭。 战国时期，濊貊族从事农业和渔猎业，黍成为濊貊人的主要食粮。戰國時期，濊貊族從事農業和漁獵業，黍成為濊貊人的主要食糧。 此时的濊貊族进入原始社会晚期，过著定居生活。此時的濊貊族進入原始社會晚期，過著定居生活。後來在東北地區建立政權的夫餘和高句麗，就是在融合濊貊等東北民族的基礎上形成，發展起來的。

Koguryo originated from Puyo. A branch of the Puyo went further south to found Baekje or Paekche . Puyo clans merged with Yemaek people to create Koguryo and Puyo people merged with Han people to create Paekje. Yemaek people ranged in both southern Manchuria and northern Korea. The Han primarily in southern Korea. Todays Koreans are a blend of these three ancient strains: Puyo, Yemaek and Han. We speak a Han based language, but our shamanistic belief system is clearly more northern in origin. Many Korean as well as knowledgeable non-Korean scholars accept this or some variation of it. Those that deny any Korean connection with Koguryo and the older Yemaek tribes are generally scholars in the PRC, however, not all PRC scholars are in agreement.

related thread @ CHF ..... http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php...p;#entry4908576

Read post#40 written by S Korean moderator " WangKon936 "

.... haha .... modern day Japanese are " made in Japan "

Neither do the Japanese people ,it's S Koreans are extremely obsessed with genetic tie to Japanese race in cyberspace last 2-3 years.

we're not obsessed, we're just telling you the truth.

If you took any asian history course, they teach you about the migration and archeological evidence suggesting the migration from korea to japan.

There were certain colonies in Japan in medieval times that served as slave and prison camps for Silla.

you can almost see his lower lip trembling as he types out his diatribes... sorry, but i take scientific findings from japanese researchers with a grain of salt... same goes for korean and chinese researchers... too many ppl with agendas clouding other ppl's minds

So what does this say about Mongolian migration patterns...someone plz put it in simple English or Mongolian.....so half Siberian and half central or east asian???

Well...all i have to say about the subject is....i really dont care. i mean it is very interesting to see how different cultures affect the creation of a new one, but really. People speculate that the first people came to be in Africa, the Middle East and China, but that doesnt seem important. Does anyone want to pair up the theory that the first Americans were actually Chinese? It doesnt really matter who comes from where, thats HISTORY, its over.

LOL, you're so cute !