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Nfamouz
QUOTE(GreyFox @ Dec 23 2007, 11:24 PM) [snapback]3383341[/snapback]
I do not think so. The common misconception about Ninjas is that they are unskilled at one-on-one combat and relied solely on ambush; but in reality, what made them so effective was that they intermingled and balanced those 2 aspects in doing what they do. In my opinion. Ninjas and Samurais are both equally skilled at combat, just different techniques. Yes Samurai may be skilled with the Katana, but have you ever seen Samurais throw Shurikens, or use unconventional (Non-Sword) weapons such as the Kusari-Gama???

I have to ask this, is it an accurate statement to say: "The Katana was only close-quater-combat weapon that Samurais knew how to use" or is that just another misconception about history. Because I heard that it was Taboo in Samurai culture to use any weapon that was not a Katana; in addition to that it was Taboo to use any other projectile weapon besides the bow and arrow, not only that but it's also Taboo to use projectiles against those who don't have projectiles to fire back. If those things are true then that means that Samurais would be at a huge disadvantage against the Ninjas who quite creative in employing unconventional means of combat. And remember, the whole point about being a ninja is unconventional means of combat. If you restrict and put-rules on the ways that the man can fight, then would no longer be considered a fight between samurai and ninja. It'll be rightfully deemed a fight between a Samurai and a non-Samurai Swordsman.

Also you've mentioned that Samurais had better armour. Well, the Samurais were only armoured to protect the bodily-core regions, many crucial areas of the body (such as the upper arm area, had really weak or no armour at all in order to allow mobility). And being heavily armoured at the core region would only slow the Samurais down and give the ninja (who were generally a lot faster) a free shot at those weakly armoured regions. If not that, then the Ninja will just run to a distance and start throwing shurikens targetting the Samurai's weakly armoured regions; and when the Samurai is injured, he close in for the attack.

yeah the samurai followed thos codes that you mention but after the 1850's they began to evolve their way of combat and started using guns that they obtained through trades..

samurai's close combat skills w\ guns >>>>ninja- a trained assasin that was a servant of samurais
GreyFox
QUOTE(Nfamouz @ Dec 26 2007, 01:01 PM) [snapback]3386715[/snapback]
yeah the samurai followed thos codes that you mention but after the 1850's they began to evolve their way of combat and started using guns that they obtained through trades..

samurai's close combat skills w\ guns >>>>ninja- a trained assasin that was a servant of samurais


I know that they used guns starting from the mid-1800's; but the method/tactics in which they used them had to be line with the Bushido code, thus their very own ways limited in the amount of combat success they could achieve. For example, the code of the Bushido does not allow the Samurai to play Sniper, fire at someone while hiding. From what I've heard, the samurai must be absolutely sure that his enemies sets eyes on him before even taking the first shot and they were not allowed to fire at anyone who was un-equipped with a firearm of their own, some samurai masters even made their disciples stand still while the enemy fires at them.

A lot of people these das admire the Samurai for their strict codes of honor; but if you ask me, I say that some of these codes went a little too far and are just plain laughable. Ninjas will get creative and do anything he can think of to get down a good shot. And just a question to you, what exactly makes you think that Samurai's are far greater than Ninja's at close quarter combat??? Yes in Japan's social hierarchy Ninja's were from classes much lower than that of the Samurai; but that really doesn't say anything about who's greater in terms of combat skills though.
lilasiankid
Stupid...both are skilled fighters...depends on who's the better fighter....

Both train for weapons combat and hand to hand....that includes grappling.
splur
QUOTE(GreyFox @ Dec 26 2007, 11:32 PM) [snapback]3387513[/snapback]
I know that they used guns starting from the mid-1800's; but the method/tactics in which they used them had to be line with the Bushido code, thus their very own ways limited in the amount of combat success they could achieve. For example, the code of the Bushido does not allow the Samurai to play Sniper, fire at someone while hiding. From what I've heard, the samurai must be absolutely sure that his enemies sets eyes on him before even taking the first shot and they were not allowed to fire at anyone who was un-equipped with a firearm of their own, some samurai masters even made their disciples stand still while the enemy fires at them.

A lot of people these das admire the Samurai for their strict codes of honor; but if you ask me, I say that some of these codes went a little too far and are just plain laughable. Ninjas will get creative and do anything he can think of to get down a good shot. And just a question to you, what exactly makes you think that Samurai's are far greater than Ninja's at close quarter combat??? Yes in Japan's social hierarchy Ninja's were from classes much lower than that of the Samurai; but that really doesn't say anything about who's greater in terms of combat skills though.

Sounds a bit like the French and the British in the new world. Mind you the British still won, but I think that was because of their numbers.
Nfamouz
QUOTE(GreyFox @ Dec 26 2007, 11:32 PM) [snapback]3387513[/snapback]
I know that they used guns starting from the mid-1800's; but the method/tactics in which they used them had to be line with the Bushido code, thus their very own ways limited in the amount of combat success they could achieve. For example, the code of the Bushido does not allow the Samurai to play Sniper, fire at someone while hiding. From what I've heard, the samurai must be absolutely sure that his enemies sets eyes on him before even taking the first shot and they were not allowed to fire at anyone who was un-equipped with a firearm of their own, some samurai masters even made their disciples stand still while the enemy fires at them.

A lot of people these das admire the Samurai for their strict codes of honor; but if you ask me, I say that some of these codes went a little too far and are just plain laughable. Ninjas will get creative and do anything he can think of to get down a good shot. And just a question to you, what exactly makes you think that Samurai's are far greater than Ninja's at close quarter combat??? Yes in Japan's social hierarchy Ninja's were from classes much lower than that of the Samurai; but that really doesn't say anything about who's greater in terms of combat skills though.
samurai's of the 1800's began to dishonor their code ...they even began to abuse or kill common citizens..so not all samurai's honor their code till death...
2nd2none
Ninjas are cooler, but really none is better than the other, it's just my opinion to say ninjas are cooler because I just got back from a ninja themed restaurant icon_smile.gif.
UrbanCultureParanoia
Ninja will kill big boss of samurai secretly.So ninjas win
dude543
ninjas are a bunch of cowards who can't fight face to face like a real man and have to use secrecy and hiding to kill while sneaking around

samurai are more honorable
Nfamouz
cooler don't always mean victory...samurais are more skilled with the sword and they carry guns..so..its a wrap for ninjas
UrbanCultureParanoia
Hey Ninjas art of war is more powerful.
Ninjas rockon.gif
Nfamouz
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forumjunky
Ninjas. When ninjas fight they rely more on disposing of the enemy using stealth. Samurais fight with a code of honor. Samurais are experts at using swords and they have cool fighting stances.
lilasiankid
Ninjas have cool stances too!
k1fan
Samurais will own ninjas!
ManyLuv1trueluv
QUOTE(dude543 @ Dec 28 2007, 02:29 PM) [snapback]3390291[/snapback]
ninjas are a bunch of cowards who can't fight face to face like a real man and have to use secrecy and hiding to kill while sneaking around

samurai are more honorable

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nice avatarr....
philippines
you're wrong true samurais don't use guns since the sword is the symbol of being a samurai

the gun users are quickly trained soldiers
Jamezkangster
LMAO to hell with honor and dignity...90 percent of Samurai's were gangsters/thugs.

I choose ninja's stealth, ninja stars > katana skills
Elysee
A samurai will normally own the ninja's @$$ in an open one on one battle,
but samurai can be dealt properly by stealth kill which is what ninjas do the best.

Besides, assassin is not even the main objective of a ninja's, gathering information is.
lilasiankid
It all boils down to the fighters.

Ninjas train in stealth but they are very skilled in weapons and empty-hand ground fighting and train very much in them just as much as samurai. They also know alot of dirty tactics.

Anybody ever take Ninjitsu? There's alot of $hit you learn and it ain't even as hardcore as it was back in the old days. laugh.gif
Jamezkangster
QUOTE(Elysee @ Jan 9 2008, 01:45 PM) [snapback]3414137[/snapback]
A samurai will normally own the ninja's @$$ in an open one on one battle,
but samurai can be dealt properly by stealth kill which is what ninjas do the best.

Besides, assassin is not even the main objective of a ninja's, gathering information is.

You're an idiot...Ninja's were mainly used for assignations...Quit watching that Naruto Anime $hit.
Elysee
QUOTE(Jamezkangster @ Jan 10 2008, 04:00 AM) [snapback]3415166[/snapback]
You're an idiot...Ninja's were mainly used for assignations...Quit watching that Naruto Anime $hit.


I am 26 years old and unlike yer little brother I don't watch that $hit and by namecalling you just made a sorry little piece of crapass outta yer stinking d!ckhead, crocodilefu-ker.
Kyusin
QUOTE(Elysee @ Jan 11 2008, 01:19 AM) [snapback]3416356[/snapback]
I am 26 years old and unlike yer little brother I don't watch that $hit and by namecalling you just made a sorry little piece of crapass outta yer stinking d!ckhead, crocodilefu-ker.


LoL you shouldn't have mentioned your age here my friend, now you look more childish.


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QUOTE(Elysee @ Jan 9 2008, 01:45 PM) *
A samurai will normally own the ninja's @$$ in an open one on one battle,
but samurai can be dealt properly by stealth kill which is what ninjas do the best.

Besides, assassin is not even the main objective of a ninja's, gathering information is.


Ninja does both killings and gathering information my dear friend.
Nfamouz
QUOTE(philippines @ Jan 8 2008, 12:57 AM) [snapback]3410618[/snapback]
you're wrong true samurais don't use guns since the sword is the symbol of being a samurai

the gun users are quickly trained soldiers

i'm not talking about true/honorable samurai's that will follow their code even if they are in the position of disadvantage..
i'm talking a samurai that has the skill of a topnotch samurai and he wants to survive in a fight..so he uses his advantages..which are guns that only he can obtain since he's of higher status..
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