LazyAzian
Dec 28 2007, 09:59 PM
Japan's first foreign GeishaFor the first time in the 400 year history of the (Japanese) Geisha, a Westerner has been accepted, and on December 19, made her formal debut under the name Sayuki.
Geisha (芸者) are traditional female Japanese entertainers whose skills include performing various Japanese arts such as classical music and dance.

Excerpt from Sayuki’s website…
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Sayuki is specialized in social anthropology, a subject which requires anthropologists to actually experience the subject they are studying by participating in the society themselves.
Sayuki has been doing anthropological fieldwork in Asakusa - one of the oldest of Tokyo’s six remaining geisha districts - for the past year, living in a geisha house (okiya), and participating in banquets as a trainee. She has been training in several arts, and will specialize in yokobue (Japanese flute).
Sayuki took an MBA at Oxford before turning to social anthropology, and specializing in Japanese culture. She has spent half of her life in Japan, graduating from Japanese high school, and then becoming the first white girl to enter Japan’s oldest university, Keio.
Sayuki has lectured at a number of universities around the world, and has published several books on Japanese culture. She is also an anthropological film director with credits on NHK, BBC, National Geographic Channel programmes.
Links:Sayuki of Asakusa (Official Website: English & Japanese)
Sayuki - the first white Geisha in Japan
Sayuki of Asakusa Pictures
MASTER MIND [Japanese]I personally think it's awesome! Sayuki is the first Caucasian to be registered in a Kenban (geisha office) and be accepted by the geisha community. Also she is the first Caucasian to pursue Geisha as her sole career, meaning it will be her permanent career (there was a previous Caucasian who became a Geisha, but only for studies).
kaysea
Dec 28 2007, 10:05 PM
I highly doubt this will be her career. She's saying it now but in a few years time she won't. Having a masters in social anthropology is a dead giveaway. I think this is more of a social experiment for her. After a few years she will be lecturing at universities and will write a book about her experiences.
MILTON
Dec 28 2007, 10:34 PM
forgive me if i sound ignorant, but thats because i actually am to the whole geisha thing.....ummm what exactly is a geisha? i know i can just go and look this up but i think it would be much better if you guys can just describe it breaifly, because "female entertainers who sing classical music"...that just sounds a little lame to me, they offer sexual services too right? because if not wtf is the point?
canister
Dec 28 2007, 10:41 PM
Is that her real hair? In the second picture it looks like she has a widow's peak...
Goombaking209
Dec 28 2007, 11:20 PM
Her? I thought Geisha's were men?
Jaimu-Jaimu
Dec 29 2007, 02:20 AM
Hmm....ok?
Takashi
Dec 29 2007, 02:29 AM
QUOTE(MILTON @ Dec 29 2007, 03:34 AM) [snapback]3390747[/snapback]
forgive me if i sound ignorant, but thats because i actually am to the whole geisha thing.....ummm what exactly is a geisha? i know i can just go and look this up but i think it would be much better if you guys can just describe it breaifly, because "female entertainers who sing classical music"...that just sounds a little lame to me, they offer sexual services too right? because if not wtf is the point?
Not as standard practice.
They can if they want to just as anyone in any profession can make a move on someone. It's not part of their job.
Entertainment, that is the point.
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Dec 29 2007, 04:20 AM) [snapback]3390813[/snapback]
Her? I thought Geisha's were men?
No, there were and still are a few male geisha (takimochi) but they are basically jesters.
LazyAzian
Dec 29 2007, 11:03 AM
QUOTE(kaysea @ Dec 28 2007, 10:05 PM) [snapback]3390697[/snapback]
I highly doubt this will be her career. She's saying it now but in a few years time she won't. Having a masters in social anthropology is a dead giveaway. I think this is more of a social experiment for her. After a few years she will be lecturing at universities and will write a book about her experiences.
Actually Sayuki's going to pursue Geisha as her main career. Sayuki has already been registered in a Kenban (geisha office) in Tokyo. Plus Sayuki also took the 3 year Maiko training, in this case Hangyouko training since she's in Tokyo. Also she already made her own Geisha business website (most Geisha's have one, I've seen lots), and arranged all her contacts and such.
Your talking about Liza Dalby who was a Geisha for a year. What's different is that Sayuki actually registered her name from her English name to Sayuki. Liza Dalby's Geisha name "Ichigume" (?), it was not fully registered in the kenban and was administered by the Okiya (geisha house).
Also Sayuki has already lectured all over the world as a Geisha. Most Geisha's believe it or not travel to lecture people about the Geisha culture. In fact I can name about 10 Japanese Geisha's who wrote books about being a Geisha, and they are still Geisha's. It's like another way for them to make money while being a Geisha. Geisha earn probably around $5,000 per month.
You can still be a Geisha and write books and travel around the world you know.
dude543
Dec 29 2007, 12:17 PM
geishas still exist today? i thought they were around like in the old days up to the late 1800s as like personal "escort" type women if you catch my drift
2nd2none
Dec 29 2007, 03:51 PM
I'm surprised so many people think geisha's are prostitutes...
bigboy
Dec 29 2007, 06:46 PM
what a retard
Jaimu-Jaimu
Dec 30 2007, 04:21 AM
What does feminism say about such occupations?
wonda51
Dec 30 2007, 07:58 PM
babyphat20
Dec 30 2007, 08:48 PM
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Dec 29 2007, 12:20 AM) [snapback]3390813[/snapback]
Her? I thought Geisha's were men?
lol

where have u been?
bigboy
Dec 30 2007, 11:35 PM
QUOTE(babyphat20 @ Dec 30 2007, 05:48 PM) [snapback]3394645[/snapback]
lol

where have u been?
maybe he though geisha was gaysha
Arash
Dec 31 2007, 12:16 AM
Geisha girls are so damn ugly.
VietICan
Dec 31 2007, 12:29 AM
She's too White.
yonsama
Dec 31 2007, 02:44 AM
I hope I don't come off as rude but...
Seriously... who would want to be a Geisha
ManyLuv1trueluv
Dec 31 2007, 09:34 AM
they're like singerz n dancerz..
in japan not alot of japanese think geisha all prostitue.. only in america ppl think geisha mean or symbolize prostitue..
film4reel
Dec 31 2007, 09:41 AM
willing to bet she will do this for a specific time then go write a book about it. this is strictly to further her career.
miss_merisha
Dec 31 2007, 10:10 AM
heheh Geisha ^^
ClearBlueWater
Dec 31 2007, 11:26 AM
QUOTE(kaysea @ Dec 28 2007, 10:05 PM) [snapback]3390697[/snapback]
I highly doubt this will be her career. She's saying it now but in a few years time she won't. Having a masters in social anthropology is a dead giveaway. I think this is more of a social experiment for her. After a few years she will be lecturing at universities and will write a book about her experiences.
True, but it's still cool that she managed to master it a bit...
AgentBach
Dec 31 2007, 03:20 PM
only Japanophiles would cling to the past like this. What's next, a white guy whose an actual Samurai working under a Lord?
LazyAzian
Jan 2 2008, 12:40 AM
QUOTE(AgentBach @ Dec 31 2007, 03:20 PM) [snapback]3395906[/snapback]
only Japanophiles would cling to the past like this. What's next, a white guy whose an actual Samurai working under a Lord?
Silly she isn't a Japanophile. In fact she was raised in Japan for half of her life. Around 2 - 3 Million Caucasians are born and raised in Asian countries (mostly in China and Philippines), and they are considered native citizens despite being different ethnicity wise.
Also most or in fact all of the Daimyo (Lords) in Japan lost their titles and nobility status after WWII. Probably only the Imperial family of Japan is considered noble/royal now. Samurai's as a professional profession is virtually extinct, the Japan National Force can easily shoot you down with bazooka's.
NYCNamja23
Jan 2 2008, 03:25 PM
only in japan....and why the face paint??
Suren911
Jan 2 2008, 10:57 PM
^Pale skin is considered pretty, along with dark colored teeth.
Kyusin
Jan 2 2008, 11:23 PM
QUOTE(Suren911 @ Jan 3 2008, 12:57 PM) [snapback]3399170[/snapback]
^Pale skin is considered pretty, along with dark colored teeth.
Yuk
Pale skin & dark colored teeth considered sick looking
bigboy
Jan 2 2008, 11:29 PM
QUOTE(Suren911 @ Jan 2 2008, 07:57 PM) [snapback]3399170[/snapback]
^Pale skin is considered pretty, along with dark colored teeth.
Yes dark colored teeth is considered beautiful
But if they are also crooked, you are considered a goddess
Buddhalove
Jan 3 2008, 09:04 PM
Sayuki, whatever you do, don't turn off the light. might mistaken you for chinese ghost story.
LazyAzian
Jan 4 2008, 04:18 PM
QUOTE(Buddhalove @ Jan 3 2008, 09:04 PM) [snapback]3401073[/snapback]
Sayuki, whatever you do, don't turn off the light. might mistaken you for chinese ghost story.
Hahaha! In Chinese culture pale beauty is also considered beautiful. In fact in Ancient China, many rich and noblewomen also painted their face with white. I remember reading somewhere the Empress would use powders made of crushed pearls and would use it on her face.
ureshiikolichan
Jan 4 2008, 08:44 PM
whatever with the white powder stuff...Japanese ppl may say its a sign of beauty, but this one here finds it irritating an annoying...take it from a daughter whose mother finds her too dark and tried the powder once on her...it doesnt work..
ManyLuv1trueluv
Jan 5 2008, 08:21 AM
its their culture..
i find it madd fuglyy.. but w/e.. its their culture so we cant really change dat..
Scheme
Jan 5 2008, 04:35 PM
QUOTE(ureshiikolichan @ Jan 4 2008, 08:44 PM) [snapback]3402983[/snapback]
whatever with the white powder stuff...Japanese ppl may say its a sign of beauty, but this one here finds it irritating an annoying...take it from a daughter whose mother finds her too dark and tried the powder once on her...it doesnt work..
holy cow
Suren911
Jan 5 2008, 05:42 PM
What is this? Reminds me of that movie "Last Samurai" starring Tom Cruise, a white dude. Now a white geisha? How about this "Last ni**a on earth, starring Tom Hanks?" as Paul Moony once said on Chappelle's Show.
michinobu_zoned
Feb 3 2008, 11:55 PM
QUOTE(Jaimu-Jaimu @ Dec 30 2007, 04:21 AM) [snapback]3393164[/snapback]
What does feminism say about such occupations?

I imagine they have a number of different views on it. Being a philosophy student, I'm surprised you ask such a question. Some of them look at certain occupations as objectifying women and others view that if a woman has a right to her body then she can choose to use it however she desires. As for Geisha, being an entertainer isn't usually going to offend any feminists, so they probably wouldn't have anything to say as a group.
Soju
Feb 4 2008, 03:38 PM
geisha's are entertainers for men. Similar to an actress or pop star.
Dark_Goku
Feb 7 2008, 09:47 PM
QUOTE(VietICan @ Dec 31 2007, 12:29 AM) [snapback]3395124[/snapback]
She's too White.
Well not to be rude or anything but you can trace a common ancestor between Japanese and English people (I think she is English, might be German or French, but anyways) between 6 to 8 thousand years ago. probably 6 thousand years ago at least.
ureshiikolichan
Feb 7 2008, 10:21 PM
QUOTE(Scheme @ Jan 5 2008, 01:35 PM) [snapback]3404744[/snapback]
holy cow

yup...unfortunatly
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