Yes this thread sound nerd ,I though about posting this thread for long. I got the forward mail about the posible future of Thailand that we would have the federal goverment system. I dont mean divide and create the new country.



In email its mention about the diversity of the people in different part of Thailand. Different part of the Kingdom face the different problems which result in the central goverment cant do every things as the same time.

What if We got the central goverment at Bangkok ,but every part can implement a plan and manage their own budget as usual federation system;
1) How the different stage develop their own area?
2) What is the positive and drawback of federal Thailand?

IMO
1)Federation would help the country to spread the wealth and development ,as these days the wealth and job is only stick in Bangkok.
2) It would be faster to develop each area
3) Its would encourage people to consider on politic more as the management p of each stage is directly affect to their life

Note:
Please not relate this to the real world politic situation which happen right now ,my point is just want to know that what is the potential economical opportunity of the different part of Thailand. And Can the rural manage their own area by their own budget?

why not its possible since we been through ethnic divrsity which is quite success trhough thaification centralization and royalty to monarch long decades ago. its time to focus on regioanal issue-- each own developtment. the southern people will be more happier.

That what is US is doing: 50 states, each state is almost the same size as Laos or even bigger or smaller. You can literally say 50 countries are part of the US.

Each state set their own budget, and develop on their own area and have their own laws.. But federal step in state's business as well, if being requested, state laws are being too individually, or state don't have enough money to build major freeways, tackle major drug problems, tackle major disaster and so on...........................

Many bangkokian believe that issan problems are issan problems. Hello, it's thailand problem, not just issan problems. Go a head say to Malaysia, they'll laugh at your faces. Federal government in Thailand , possible in 100 years, because of their narrowed mind set. Generally speaking they're not ready and smart enough like many western countries.

I am not so sure how familiar you are with Issan Republic but it can be divided into two. The u[[er half is a mixture of Laosian and Khmer. The lower half is mainly Khmer, from Sesaket and Surin travel down to Trat. We can call that Khmer Republic. That will my home country. Good luck folks.

^ Is Buriram mostly Khmer or Lao or both?

Buriram is inhabited by mostly Khmer. Liev, Siem and Jen are the minority.

Oh. Cause I can understand their spoken Khmer easier than Sisaket and Soren accent.

Buriram is north of my home Sakaeo. Prachinburi, Chanthaburi and Trat are Khmer Central. If we to have an Autonomy, we will have our own sea port and with the population size larger than Cambodia, we will prosper.

proper as long as Lao issan and other ethnics around the area don't fight. Likely not, this has been proven in issan itself and Strung Tung.

I don't think we will fight because we are more alike than different. We are interested in sharing our wealth than hoarding it. People in Issan, whether a person is Khmer, Siem, or Liev we considered all as brothers and sisters.

I'm just wondering if breaking Thailand up will result in a power vacuum like we're witnessing in iraq? I believe alot of outside forces will see to it that Thailand stays in intact for as long as possible. I dont think they'll let Vietnam and Burma be the only superpowers in Southesat asia. I think it's a bad idea.

This is not about breaking up. It's about federation system like the US.

It'd be weird for Cambodia not to be next door to Thailand though.

The population of the Democratic Republic of Issan would be larger than Laos and Cambodia combined :O.

If that the case Esarn would have a hard time I think the map creater add Chantaburi and Rayong to add the Eastern sea boardGigantic industry area to Esarn

I really wish this could happend, but I'am quite sure that country power holders would not have enough guts to let this happend, they fear that it would easier lead to something else differrent, which rival power houses like Vietnam, Burma, Singapore, Malasia may love to see it,the much weaker competitors for easier assertion. things can alway be both gain and loss.

Thailand can be Thailand of today has depended on not particula region,
but it's a result and contribution of resources from all regions, all parts,all ethnics ,all citizen in many differrent ways for many hundred years

In fact, to ease people urge the They alrealdy have plan to retain provincian system, but by adding more local management, local provincian elected governers,
town, district and so on, it's still a try stage.

whatever, whether or not, what's really I like it to happend (easier happend) as a first step now is to install more the local or regional people to the official organizations,
like head of police, police, teachers, head of educational units, doctor, hospitals and all govermental service in their own region and enough with family,money , power connectins or other similar things from other regoin.
this would initially create job oportunity to the local first, so they won't have to leave their place in search for job and employment in other places, this is on the part of official positions,
and let's hope for more investments on the business part in the regions too.

The people who makes the map don't really have thorough knowledge of Issan people and its ethnic makeup. However, Issan will always be Issan, Khmer or Laosian, people will work to support their family however they could. Whether they work in the factories or farming, their lives are difficult as usual. However, the federation system may work to the benefits of all people because it is more efficient than the centralize system. In fact it may help relieved the over population in Bangkok area and help with lessened the pollutions. The factories in Chantaburi and Rayong help in such overcrowding in Bangkok.

Cambodia will always be next to Thailand, these maps are just an idea of Federalization of Thailand. Thailand's population is growing too fast and Bangkok cannot cope with such mass migrations. With 60 millions and growing, it would be a good idea to spread out the jobs and people throughout and governing bodies that goes with such growth.
Population of Issan would be larger than Cambodia and Laos combined because Thailand did not have wars and the Royal Family tried their best to make sure that people have land to farm, clean water to drink, school for up to sixth grades (in my area), sanitations(Thailand is very big on health), inoculations .... etc........
The problem we have with such large population is that the environments(flora and fawna) are having a rather difficult time coping. Social problems are big in my area(Eastern Issan); people smoking illegal drugs, robbery, murder, alcoholism, prostitutions...etc...

In the country like US or Australia this federal idea wouldnt be a problem. However ,the problem on the Thailand rural area is the local politician. Once it come to the local politic as you seen in present "Or Bor Tor" อบต
1) The local mafia who enter to the local politic to gain his power ,without caring on the region benefit. Its happen in Thailand right now as you know.
2) The local politician who care only small benefit and do what ever to win the vote.
3) The local politician who use the local people support to negotiate with the justice system once they done wrong.

Well the goverment has to think about prevent these things before decentralized. Its long way to go ,I guest if Thailand able to implement federal system ,or some things look similar
With the current political situation ,the most possible time that decentralize would effect is in the next 15 years.

aeroforce, where u get the map? can share with me? i cannot see it because u crop it hehehe, http://grea?????

I see your point and agreed with you about the social issues concerning the rural if Thailand/Bangkok is to decentralize. The most important ingredient to a successful self governing society is to have reasonably educated populous who can make decisions that will benefit society as a whole. Wise enough to see the different between corrupt motives and genuine political platforms.
I have seen it all took place in Srakeov, from common thievery to mafia operations that took place under the very noses of the authority. It is very difficult to differentiate between businessman from mafia or just plain politicians. Most smuggling operations do not take place at Aranyapratet, Srakeov or Poipet, Cambodia, rather it happened in areas where it is quiet like the road next to my village. Very often you'll see about 50 to 100 motocycle or cars being driven into Cambodia under the border guards very present.
Local politicians are not really locals but people who come from somewhere else to set up shops and before anyone know they are running for office. They don't even speak Khmer in an area where Khmer is a spoken language. Then again the military who would ultimately make final decisions on most subjects.
Actually, I think that if people are allowed to really have a true democracy life will improve in my area and rural area in general. My reason being is that people if given a choice between their lives being control by corrupt military/officials and mafia or chose people who's decisions that will benefit them; I think they will choose the later. It may take some times and there will be some pain but in the long run people will be better off. As of now we are a bunch of rice and casava farmers who sell their annual rice crops to a price fixing mafia who really depressed the price. This may happened to other areas too but I only know what goes on in my general areas.

i'm 100% with the idea.

coz i'm so sick of those MPs elected by e-sarn ppl.

but how do we divide the country into states is a really tough question to answer?

1. how do the north and e-sarn peeps get access to the sea?

2. how many states will there be in the south? buddhist state? muslim state?

etc

it won't be easy. it is not about how smart or dumb thai peeps are. but things will get very messy even just by tossing the idea on tv.

however, we can start by give less taxes to the central gov and more taxes to the local govs.

i think the way that southerners rejecting ppp shows how independent from the central gov they are

they don't care/want cheap loans like those peeps up north

since the coup agri products's prices is 20-50% up

most southerners got private insurance

their kids go to private schools

so technically

the south has gone independent

Here is the clearly example how the local politican treat those who against them. Its kind of Mafia act.
ภาคีคนฮักเจียงใหม่ ประณามการวางระเบิดร้านเฮือนสุนทรี
http://www.prachatai.com/05web/th/home/pag...Key=HilightNews
In 2006 During the Time that Thaksin been requested to resign.
Some one throw d bomb to the Restauraunt in Chiangmai own by Lanna Commin mom. Because she give her speech to the local media that she want Thaksin to resign.

In the end ,its come to Law and moral ,if law can protect every in Thailand and if every one who do wrong are punished by the legal system. The democracy here would work more effective.


PS: Lanna Commin is the famous Thai singer who sang the old Lanna folksong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD73IS2nW74