Is that an offensive word in India??
Indians have been racially taunting our Aussie cricketer Andrew Symonds, calling him a MONKEY. But aren't Monkeys sacred in Hindu?? and most Indians are as dark as him...i don't get it.
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QUOTE(Kiss_the_Girls @ Jan 9 2008, 12:37 AM) 
Is that an offensive word in India??
Doesn't calling someone a monkey sound derogatory anywhere?
QUOTE(Kiss_the_Girls @ Jan 9 2008, 12:37 AM)
But aren't Monkeys sacred in Hindu??
In Hinduism? Not that I know of. I just googled and it says they're sacred in Balinese Hinduism, but that's Indonesia, so you should ask them.
QUOTE(Kiss_the_Girls @ Jan 9 2008, 12:37 AM)
and most Indians are as dark as him...i don't get it.
Racism isn't about skin color.
BTW, what has the Australian media said about the Sri Lankan team being taunted by Australian crowds?
QUOTE(Kiss_the_Girls @ Jan 8 2008, 11:37 PM)
Is that an offensive word in India??
Indians have been racially taunting our Aussie cricketer Andrew Symonds, calling him a MONKEY. But aren't Monkeys sacred in Hindu?? and most Indians are as dark as him...i don't get it.
Indians have been racially taunting our Aussie cricketer Andrew Symonds, calling him a MONKEY. But aren't Monkeys sacred in Hindu?? and most Indians are as dark as him...i don't get it.
Come again
QUOTE(Kiss_the_Girls @ Jan 9 2008, 09:07 AM)
Is that an offensive word in India??
Monkey is not at all an offensive word.
QUOTE(Kiss_the_Girls @ Jan 9 2008, 09:07 AM)
Indians have been racially taunting our Aussie cricketer Andrew Symonds, calling him a MONKEY.
You know what. Symonds is a cry baby. He complaints a lot. He complained that spectators called him names but no one else actually heard what crowd said. There is more posibility that spectators must be having good time.
QUOTE(Kiss_the_Girls @ Jan 9 2008, 09:07 AM)
But aren't Monkeys sacred in Hindu??
Yes there is a monkey God in Hinduism. But monkey is still an animal. According to Hinduism all plant, animal and all life forms are sacred, yet lots of Hindus eat meat. It is a matter of personel preference, Hinduism gives enough liberty to an inividual to do anything he/she likes. But it has nothing to do with name calling.
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name='Kiss_the_Girls' post='3412859' date='Jan 9 2008, 09:07 AM']and most Indians are as dark as him...i don't get it.
By the very definition of racism, calling someone monkey is not racist. So get your facts right. And if you think this is racist then what Aussies do with Asian teams all the time? They even taunt Black players in South African team. Racism is that Australians have been doing with non-White teams all these years.
Calling someone a monkey isn't offensive in India, but in the sporting world monkey chants and calling people monkeys is synonymous with racist taunts (especially to black sportsmen). Whether Singh said what he did with racist intent I don't know, but if someone calls another person a monkey then that alone shouldn't be constituted as a racial assault, as some people call others monkey's to insult them in a manner that acknowledges them as an idiot who doesn't think. Then again, sportsmen should be aware that insulting a black sportsman with anything to do with monkeys will immediately be viewed as a racial assault.
Two things must be pointed out though about this which are important. The first, from what I've heard, is that there is no actual evidence the Singh said this. Secondly, Australian cricket (and sporting in general) culture is aggressive and often insulting to opposition, lacking in sportsmanship and proper sporting conduct. If I remember correctly (If anyone can confirm this I would appreciate it), it was originally the Australians who made racial taunts before Indian fans retaliated (which I felt was a very bad reaction and still do). In Singh's case, it's been acknowledged by many that the Australian players repeatedly insulted Indian players before the incident took place. Simply put, if Singh or the fans have acted poorly, and insulted the Australians then they are wrong, but if the Australians started off by insulting the opposition, then they are equally wrong, if not moreso for inciting the trouble to begin with.
An interesting article on this matter:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/01/...but_austra.html
Two things must be pointed out though about this which are important. The first, from what I've heard, is that there is no actual evidence the Singh said this. Secondly, Australian cricket (and sporting in general) culture is aggressive and often insulting to opposition, lacking in sportsmanship and proper sporting conduct. If I remember correctly (If anyone can confirm this I would appreciate it), it was originally the Australians who made racial taunts before Indian fans retaliated (which I felt was a very bad reaction and still do). In Singh's case, it's been acknowledged by many that the Australian players repeatedly insulted Indian players before the incident took place. Simply put, if Singh or the fans have acted poorly, and insulted the Australians then they are wrong, but if the Australians started off by insulting the opposition, then they are equally wrong, if not moreso for inciting the trouble to begin with.
An interesting article on this matter:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/01/...but_austra.html
Gah! Just get over it.
bakk wenn hitlerrr alive...
he sayy blackk ppll lookk likee bunchaa monkeyyy climmminn treezz..
he sayy blackk ppll lookk likee bunchaa monkeyyy climmminn treezz..
^So you really are a bitter Asian trolling a board posing a black kid? That's pathetic. 
I didn't know it isn't offensive to call someone Bandar or Langoor in India. Cool, just learned a new thing today. 
Is it okay in India to call a female a "bhens", a cow also ?
But yeah, it's really funny how this guy
And these guys
call this guy
a monkey.
Yeah yeah I know australia is a racist country, but isn't it a bit moronic to target the only coloured guy in their team ? Who is probably already the target of australian racism anyway ?
Is it okay in India to call a female a "bhens", a cow also ? But yeah, it's really funny how this guy
And these guys
call this guy
a monkey.
Yeah yeah I know australia is a racist country, but isn't it a bit moronic to target the only coloured guy in their team ? Who is probably already the target of australian racism anyway ?
QUOTE(pun187 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:45 AM)
I didn't know it isn't offensive to call someone Bandar or Langoor in India. Cool, just learned a new thing today. Is it okay in India to call a female a "bhens", a cow also ?
Is it okay in India to call a female a "bhens", a cow also ?Harbhajan never called Andrew Symonds a monkey, even it is not certain that spectators called him names. Andrew Symonds accused them that they called him a monkey. But no one else heard anything. In Harbhajan's case both the umpires said they didn't hear any insult coming from Harbhajan, when Harbhajn and Symonds were talking, Sachin as standing nearby, Sachin also said they were talking normally then later Symonds accused Harbhajan of calling him a monkey.
QUOTE(pun187 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:45 AM)
Yeah yeah I know australia is a racist country, but isn't it a bit moronic to target the only coloured guy in their team ? Who is probably already the target of australian racism anyway ?
Australians are infamous for sledging and racially abusing others all over the world, it is like a second nature to them. In white dominated teams Aussies always pick colored players and abuse them, it is a fact. Now it is very ironic that they are feeling upset about racial taunts on themselves.
Read this article, just yesterday Ramprakash said, he was being racially abused by the Australians.
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Mark Ramprakash reveals Aussie abuse
By Colin Spiro and agencies
Last Updated: 3:38pm GMT 14/01/2008
Former England batsman Mark Ramprakash has admitted he suffered "abuse of a serious racial kind" when playing against Australia.
Ramprakash also confirmed he believed former Surrey team-mate Harbhajan Singh to be innocent of the charge of alleged racist abuse towards Australia all-rounder Andrew Symonds.
Harbhajan was given a three-Test ban after match referee Mike Procter upheld a complaint that he called Symonds a "monkey" in an ill-tempered second Test in Sydney, sparking a national controversy that threatened to prematurely end entire tour.
But Ramprakash, whose father was born in Guyana to Indian parents, insisted Harbhajan was not the type to become embroiled in racist slurs.
"There's certainly no problem with racism in county cricket and overall I wouldn't say the game in the international arena suffers from it really.
"Of course I've played cricket for a long time now and you expect it (racism) now and again from a few supporters who are tanked up after drinking all day. The only time I've suffered any abuse of a serious racial kind in international cricket is against the Australians so I'm not sure what that says about them.
"I've played with Harbhajan for two seasons at Surrey and having got to know him well it's not the kind of thing I imagine he would say. Some of the younger players in the India side especially said they would not shy away from having a bit of chat back after the series they played in India last year, so perhaps things have got out of hand a bit."
The 38-year-old said Australia had always indulged in sledging, adding: "This isn't something which has got worse - they play the game hard and trying to put you off by sledging is the way they have always played the game.
"It's how you deal with that that is important. I always turned it into something to inspire me and make me more determined to prove them wrong."
Ramprakash was speaking at the British Asian Sports Awards (BASA) which recognises and celebrates the achievements of British Asian sporting talents from across the United Kingdom.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...4/ucnram114.xml
By Colin Spiro and agencies
Last Updated: 3:38pm GMT 14/01/2008
Former England batsman Mark Ramprakash has admitted he suffered "abuse of a serious racial kind" when playing against Australia.
Ramprakash also confirmed he believed former Surrey team-mate Harbhajan Singh to be innocent of the charge of alleged racist abuse towards Australia all-rounder Andrew Symonds.
Harbhajan was given a three-Test ban after match referee Mike Procter upheld a complaint that he called Symonds a "monkey" in an ill-tempered second Test in Sydney, sparking a national controversy that threatened to prematurely end entire tour.
But Ramprakash, whose father was born in Guyana to Indian parents, insisted Harbhajan was not the type to become embroiled in racist slurs.
"There's certainly no problem with racism in county cricket and overall I wouldn't say the game in the international arena suffers from it really.
"Of course I've played cricket for a long time now and you expect it (racism) now and again from a few supporters who are tanked up after drinking all day. The only time I've suffered any abuse of a serious racial kind in international cricket is against the Australians so I'm not sure what that says about them.
"I've played with Harbhajan for two seasons at Surrey and having got to know him well it's not the kind of thing I imagine he would say. Some of the younger players in the India side especially said they would not shy away from having a bit of chat back after the series they played in India last year, so perhaps things have got out of hand a bit."
The 38-year-old said Australia had always indulged in sledging, adding: "This isn't something which has got worse - they play the game hard and trying to put you off by sledging is the way they have always played the game.
"It's how you deal with that that is important. I always turned it into something to inspire me and make me more determined to prove them wrong."
Ramprakash was speaking at the British Asian Sports Awards (BASA) which recognises and celebrates the achievements of British Asian sporting talents from across the United Kingdom.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...4/ucnram114.xml
Some incidents of racial abuse of foreign teams while playing in Australia during 2005/2006
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INCIDENTS AT GROUNDS IN 2005/06
- 11-14 Dec: South African players complain of racial abuse during first Test in Perth
- 2-6 Jan: Andre Nel complains of racial abuse while fielding in third Test in Sydney
- 10 Jan: South Africans again abused during warm-up for one-day game at the Gabba, Brisbane; one spectator ejected
- 20 Jan: Spectator at Melbourne's Telstra Dome ejected after reportedly punching an ICC official and accusing him of being South African
- 26 Jan: Sri Lankans abused at Adelaide Oval; five spectators ejected
These are recorded incidents with proofs. Forget about numerous others.
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Jan 9 2008, 01:36 AM)
Monkey is not at all an offensive word.
Ok next time your in a public place whether India or abroad call someone monkey and u will hear...
Whether sacred or not, i don't think its polite to call someone monkey, especially someone who is not even Indian
and would not understand what monkey means to (some) Indians lol
and would think its offensive.I don't know what kind of foolishness this is.
U look like a monkey r u satisfied?
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Jan 16 2008, 07:08 AM)
Harbhajan never called Andrew Symonds a monkey, even it is not certain that spectators called him names. Andrew Symonds accused them that they called him a monkey. But no one else heard anything. In Harbhajan's case both the umpires said they didn't hear any insult coming from Harbhajan, when Harbhajn and Symonds were talking, Sachin as standing nearby, Sachin also said they were talking normally then later Symonds accused Harbhajan of calling him a monkey.
Australians are infamous for sledging and racially abusing others all over the world, it is like a second nature to them. In white dominated teams Aussies always pick colored players and abuse them, it is a fact. Now it is very ironic that they are feeling upset about racial taunts on themselves.
Australians are infamous for sledging and racially abusing others all over the world, it is like a second nature to them. In white dominated teams Aussies always pick colored players and abuse them, it is a fact. Now it is very ironic that they are feeling upset about racial taunts on themselves.
Maybe what Harbhajhan said was "...Oy Bhehn**** teri MAAN KI..." and Symonds thought that he just called him a monkey.
HAHA, the monkey chants should be dropped on the whole Australian team. The whole crowd should bring bananas to chuck at the Aussie team next time they roll by. It's sad that Symonds got caught up in it, but he was being a tosser, and these allegations are unproven as far as I'm concerned. We need laurees selling bananas outside of the arena before the next match, preferably the big, moon shaped ones that will travel a distance. Stick it to them, deep and hard. The Australians already took the class outta cricket long before Mr. Singh was accused of racism.
QUOTE(pun187 @ Jan 15 2008, 11:15 PM)
Yeah yeah I know australia is a racist country, but isn't it a bit moronic to target the only coloured guy in their team ? Who is probably already the target of australian racism anyway ?
As you and VAMAN have said, I'm not really surprised at this because Australia is a racist country. I don't know what it is about them, but they are more racist than other countries.
QUOTE(JuicyFruit @ Jan 8 2008, 11:20 PM)
BTW, what has the Australian media said about the Sri Lankan team being taunted by Australian crowds?
What's this about? How were they taunted? I don't know about this, can someone fill me in?
QUOTE(pun187 @ Jan 16 2008, 10:26 PM)
Maybe what Harbhajhan said was "...Oy Bhehn**** teri MAAN KI..." and Symonds thought that he just called him a monkey.
Yeah you are probably right. Lots of people told me that Harbhajan may have said "teri maa di..." or "teri maa da..." common swear words in Punjabi, and Symonds heard monkey instead.
Now this is the end of the episode.
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India's Harbhajan cleared of racial abuse charge
2 hours, 5 minutes ago
ADELAIDE, Australia (AFP) - Indian spinner Harbhajan Singh was cleared Tuesday of a racial abuse charge at an appeal hearing in Adelaide, the International Cricket Council said.
The charge of racially abusing Australia's Andrew Symonds during the acrimonious Sydney Test earlier this month was downgraded to one of general abuse, a spokesman for the world body told reporters in Adelaide.
Harbhajan pleaded guilty to the lesser charge and was fined 50 percent of his match fee by New Zealand High Court judge John Hansen, said the ICC spokesman, Sami-ul-Hasan.
The spinner was originally handed a three-Test ban by match referee Mike Procter after being found guilty of calling Symonds, Australia's only black player, a "monkey".
The ICC spokesman said Hansen was convinced Harbhajan was not guilty of a racial slur.
"Justice Hansen said that he was convinced that on all evidence submitted before him the charge of a level 3.3 offence was not proven, but that Harbhajan should be charged with a level 2.8 offence," he said.
"Harbhajan pleaded guilty to this charge, and on hearing submissions on the penalty, Justice Hansen imposed a fine of 50 percent of his match fee."
Hansen would deliver his full reasons on Wednesday, the spokesman said, adding: "The ICC will make no further comment."
The appeal decision clears the way for India to continue their tour of Australia where they are due to play a Twenty20 international in Melbourne on Friday before starting a tri-series on Sunday that also features Sri Lanka.
The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) had earlier threatened to abandon the tour if Harbhajan was not cleared of the racial abuse charge.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080129/wl_sthasia_afp/cricketindausharbhajanverdict
2 hours, 5 minutes ago
ADELAIDE, Australia (AFP) - Indian spinner Harbhajan Singh was cleared Tuesday of a racial abuse charge at an appeal hearing in Adelaide, the International Cricket Council said.
The charge of racially abusing Australia's Andrew Symonds during the acrimonious Sydney Test earlier this month was downgraded to one of general abuse, a spokesman for the world body told reporters in Adelaide.
Harbhajan pleaded guilty to the lesser charge and was fined 50 percent of his match fee by New Zealand High Court judge John Hansen, said the ICC spokesman, Sami-ul-Hasan.
The spinner was originally handed a three-Test ban by match referee Mike Procter after being found guilty of calling Symonds, Australia's only black player, a "monkey".
The ICC spokesman said Hansen was convinced Harbhajan was not guilty of a racial slur.
"Justice Hansen said that he was convinced that on all evidence submitted before him the charge of a level 3.3 offence was not proven, but that Harbhajan should be charged with a level 2.8 offence," he said.
"Harbhajan pleaded guilty to this charge, and on hearing submissions on the penalty, Justice Hansen imposed a fine of 50 percent of his match fee."
Hansen would deliver his full reasons on Wednesday, the spokesman said, adding: "The ICC will make no further comment."
The appeal decision clears the way for India to continue their tour of Australia where they are due to play a Twenty20 international in Melbourne on Friday before starting a tri-series on Sunday that also features Sri Lanka.
The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) had earlier threatened to abandon the tour if Harbhajan was not cleared of the racial abuse charge.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080129/wl_sthasia_afp/cricketindausharbhajanverdict
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