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DutchEastIndiesMan
From Wikipedia : Nuclear Power In Indonesia (Edited)

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"The nuclear program of Indonesia includes plans to build nuclear reactors in the country to produce nuclear power for peaceful purposes. The national legislative organ for nuclear energy, Badan Pengawas Tenaga Nuklir (BAPETEN), was founded in 1998. The name of the national agency of atomic energy is BATAN. Decades earlier, research on atomic energy was started in Indonesia. Apart for producing electricity, nuclear technology is also applied for medical purposes and agricultural purposes, for the use of genetic manipulation.

Indonesia has stated that the program will be developed in accordance with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). For this reason, Mohammed ElBaradei was invited to visit the country in December 2006.

Locations of nuclear reactors

For research purposes, experimental nuclear reactors have already been built in Indonesia:

1. Yogyakarta, Central Java. This is the Kartini nuclear reactor.
2. Serpong (Banten)
3. Bandung, West Java. This is the Triga Mark II research nuclear reactor.

Various locations have been proposed for building nuclear reactors that will actually be taken into production for the purpose of generating electricity:

1. Muria, Central Java.
2. Gorontalo, in the north of Sulawesi.

Motivation

Indonesia has various reasons for wanting to build nuclear reactors:

1. Domestic energy consumption in Indonesia is growing rapidly.
2. Nuclear energy will reduce dependence on petroleum, a now-renewable resourse. Indonesia, an OPEC member and long-time net oil exporter became a net importer of oil at the beginning of 2005. Nuclear energy, like coal, natural gas, and biofuel (from plants such as Jatropha curcas or the castor oil plant) may allow Indonesia to diversify from petroleum.
3. If domestic energy consumption can be provided through nuclear energy, it may be possible to export more oil.
4. Producing other renewable energy from other sources, such as wind power and solar power, are far more expensive.
5. Japan, like Indonesia, earthquakes frequently occur, has nuclear reactors.
6. The emission of harmful gases can be reduced.

Criticism

The nuclear plans of Indonesia have met with criticism from Greenpeace and other groups and individuals. Some points of criticism are:

1. The location of the country on the Pacific Ring of Fire, with much geological activity like earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, might make it dangerous to have nuclear reactors there.[attribution needed]
2. Building nuclear reactors is not necessary to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
3. Terrorism is a problem in Indonesia, and attacks on nuclear reactors or the theft of nuclear material could result in terrorists acquiring weapons of mass destruction or radiological weapons."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_indonesia

Are We Ready For Nuclear Power?
ManyLuv1trueluv
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datukz
i think its great for indonesia to have nuclear power. you can trust indons to use it wisely. imagine dutch without nuclear and indonesia with nuclear. tables will have turned since the days of colonialism. Who would be the master and slave then icon_smile.gif joking mr dutchman. haha

many lov you sound a bit unwell how about you have a check up?
Betong
Indonesia should also go to Nuclear weapon. Others will respect your country more.
DutchEastIndiesMan
QUOTE(datukz @ Jan 11 2008, 04:47 AM) [snapback]3416762[/snapback]
i think its great for indonesia to have nuclear power. you can trust indons to use it wisely. imagine dutch without nuclear and indonesia with nuclear. tables will have turned since the days of colonialism. Who would be the master and slave then icon_smile.gif joking mr dutchman. haha

many lov you sound a bit unwell how about you have a check up?


I'm actually Indonesian...It's just the name ...It confuses people (LOL)
skyisdalimit
We are not ready. BUT time changes, so WE HAVE TO PREPARE OURSELVES so that WE ARE READY FOR NUCLEAR. DONT WAIT!! BE ACTIVE AND DO OUR PART. if we wait until we are ready, ngga kebangun2 tuh nuclear plant. lol. The crude oil price has reached US$ 100 mark. there is urgent need to move towards alternative sources of energy, and Nuclear energy is one of them. Come on fellas, get ready for the nuclear energy.
Mangafan2
QUOTE(datukz @ Jan 10 2008, 08:47 PM) [snapback]3416762[/snapback]
i think its great for indonesia to have nuclear power. you can trust indons to use it wisely. imagine dutch without nuclear and indonesia with nuclear. tables will have turned since the days of colonialism. Who would be the master and slave then icon_smile.gif joking mr dutchman. haha

many lov you sound a bit unwell how about you have a check up?

hi retard
do you think we don't have any nuclear powerplants here?

Anyway to be honoust I don't want Indonesia to have Nuclear power, since they're such a huge muslim country, they will probably deal with Iran or something >_> or it will end up with Iran.
skyisdalimit
Indonesia Nuclear power is for peaceful purpose, It is just for cutting Indonesia dependency on Oil. Moreover, Indonesia energy demand is growing rapidly. So we need this alternative and cheap source of energy. We may have a large muslim population but Indonesia is a SECULAR country!!!!! so dont link Indonesia to Iran, Iraq or other muslim states. We are an independent nation!!!! SEKALI MERDEKA TETAP MERDEKA !!!
alfan
Well I've never been a fan of going nuclear in the first place...we have other sources for power such as geothermal (I don't whether it would be more expensive or not though)

We will generate a lot of energy with nukes but where the hell are we gonna store the waste? haven't read anything on disposal plans...if anyone has any info on the gov's plan for that please post it
DutchEastIndiesMan
QUOTE(alfan @ Jan 14 2008, 08:39 PM) [snapback]3424971[/snapback]
Well I've never been a fan of going nuclear in the first place...we have other sources for power such as geothermal (I don't whether it would be more expensive or not though)

We will generate a lot of energy with nukes but where the hell are we gonna store the waste? haven't read anything on disposal plans...if anyone has any info on the gov's plan for that please post it


Geothermal is actually more expensive than nuclear and for the storage waste i got no idea...I'll try to find it beerchug.gif
drakuli
QUOTE(Mangafan2 @ Jan 12 2008, 10:00 PM) [snapback]3420968[/snapback]
Anyway to be honoust I don't want Indonesia to have Nuclear power, since they're such a huge muslim country, they will probably deal with Iran or something >_> or it will end up with Iran.


Lol, another islamophobia????
And i don't see there is anything wrong with Iran wants to use nuclear for their electricity. What I see is that US trying to steer the world's opinion that Iran is dangerous and my make a WMD out of it. Lol again, look who's talking here. US is a country that wages war all over the world and got bunch of WMDs in their own backyard and always eager to use their weapons against other countries in the name of so called 'war against terrorism', in the name of democrazy, and so on. US even lied about Iraq's WMD and you still believe them? What a retard.

Anyway, let's go back to the topic. I believe we actually has the potential to have our own nuclear technology. We got uranium resource, we got experts, we got talents, we also have some proven experience although in mini scale. What I'm worried is the security of the facility. Not only against hostile threat, but against the nature. We are in such earthquake=prone area, so the government must really give a lot of thought before they decide to build it.

DutchEastIndiesMan
QUOTE(alfan @ Jan 14 2008, 08:39 PM) [snapback]3424971[/snapback]
Well I've never been a fan of going nuclear in the first place...we have other sources for power such as geothermal (I don't whether it would be more expensive or not though)

We will generate a lot of energy with nukes but where the hell are we gonna store the waste? haven't read anything on disposal plans...if anyone has any info on the gov's plan for that please post it


I found it but it doesnt says where to dump those radioactive materials...it's just said on Peraturan Pemerintah Republik Indonesia nomor 27 Tahun 2002 tentang Pengelolaan Limbah Radioaktif that the waste is either to be handle by the government or by a private company and the place to dispose them will be arrange later by a decree from BAPETEN


Thats how I translate it but if u want to find out more go to this website
http://www.bapeten.go.id/md2006/index.php?...c&GroupId=1
Majapahitans
I think Indonesia should not go nuke..... icon_neutral.gif
Although I do want my country to be stong and awe-inspiring (which nuclear can provide boost of socio-political regional influence), and secure our energy supply, I still don't want if chernobyl incident happened here in Indonesia.
Ralf
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Jan 18 2008, 11:01 PM) [snapback]3433379[/snapback]
I think Indonesia should not go nuke..... icon_neutral.gif
Although I do want my country to be stong and awe-inspiring (which nuclear can provide boost of socio-political regional influence), and secure our energy supply, I still don't want if chernobyl incident happened here in Indonesia.
Don't buy cheap Russian technology. The lowest bidder for the contract may not be the best option for Indonesia.
Nuclear energy has been demonised to the point where it is like the superstition of our time.
Nuclear energy has a risk factor, but how much longer can we pollute the world with conventional fossil fuel technology ?
Establishing nuclear energy will require research and responsible leadership.
Perhaps Indonesia can establish a feasibility study together with nuclear experts in Western Europe and the USA.
DutchEastIndiesMan
But where would we dump the radioactive materials? btw They said in the BAPETEN website that low radioactive materials would be just thrown out (river,lakes or sea ??) is that true? Anyone a Nuclear Scientist ??
Ralf
QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ Jan 19 2008, 11:35 PM) [snapback]3435794[/snapback]
But where would we dump the radioactive materials? btw They said in the BAPETEN website that low radioactive materials would be just thrown out (river,lakes or sea ??) is that true? Anyone a Nuclear Scientist ??
That sounds a bit scary. Like the Russians who dumped their radioactive junk in the Arctic Sea.
Indonesia must do some research into waste disposal, bearing in mind that a geo-stable area needs to be found for burial.
Mangafan2
QUOTE(drakuli @ Jan 14 2008, 03:51 PM) [snapback]3425193[/snapback]
Lol, another islamophobia????
And i don't see there is anything wrong with Iran wants to use nuclear for their electricity. What I see is that US trying to steer the world's opinion that Iran is dangerous and my make a WMD out of it. Lol again, look who's talking here. US is a country that wages war all over the world and got bunch of WMDs in their own backyard and always eager to use their weapons against other countries in the name of so called 'war against terrorism', in the name of democrazy, and so on. US even lied about Iraq's WMD and you still believe them? What a retard.

Anyway, let's go back to the topic. I believe we actually has the potential to have our own nuclear technology. We got uranium resource, we got experts, we got talents, we also have some proven experience although in mini scale. What I'm worried is the security of the facility. Not only against hostile threat, but against the nature. We are in such earthquake=prone area, so the government must really give a lot of thought before they decide to build it.

Shut up moron, I never said such things, don't put words in my mouth.
I don't give a $hit about how other people look at the USA.
My country has an alliance with the USA so aslong as my country is safe I don't care alot about the rest.
Thing is that Iran is indeed a threat to the western countries, that's why I'm against it.
fu-k all of you who think other wise, it's better not to take any risks.
Aslong as my country is safe icon_smile.gif so fu-k you drakuli stupid goth.
han2
QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ Jan 19 2008, 09:35 PM) [snapback]3435794[/snapback]
But where would we dump the radioactive materials? btw They said in the BAPETEN website that low radioactive materials would be just thrown out (river,lakes or sea ??) is that true? Anyone a Nuclear Scientist ??

There is at least another major concern other than the waste disposal of nuclear waste, which certainly should be of the utmost concern.
The fact is that indonesia lies along several major fault lines, which causes earthquake to regularly causes havoc to the country; now imagine what would happen when a nuclear plant become damaged after an earthquake.
DutchEastIndiesMan
QUOTE(han2 @ Jan 19 2008, 11:40 PM) [snapback]3435938[/snapback]
There is at least another major concern other than the waste disposal of nuclear waste, which certainly should be of the utmost concern.
The fact is that indonesia lies along several major fault lines, which causes earthquake to regularly causes havoc to the country; now imagine what would happen when a nuclear plant become damaged after an earthquake.


Actually Han2, There is a specific design of Nuclear Power plants for Earthquake prone zones. As long as the Power plant is serviced regularly, it won't be a problem. Look at Japan, It has hundreds of nuclear reactor and it is in an Earthquake prone zone too but like Ralf Said If we shouldn't buy the design or the reactor from unreliable sources (e.g. Outdated Soviet technology). Yes there is a chances that the design of the Power plants won't stand large scale earthquakes but the chances is small and lets just hope it won't happen. We do not want a Chernobly In Indonesia, especially in Java, that would be catastrophic.

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Indonesia is now currently working with Australia, USA, Russia, South Korea and IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) to develop a Clean and Safe Nuclear Reactor in Indonesia. Australia has indicated that it does not have problems with supplying Indonesia with uranium for peaceful purposes and there is even an agreement with a Russian company to build a Floating Nuclear Reactor (???icon_confused.gif) in Gorontalo, North Sulawesi
From Wikipedia
han2
QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ Jan 20 2008, 12:28 AM) [snapback]3435962[/snapback]
Actually Han2, There is a specific design of Nuclear Power plants for Earthquake prone zones. As long as the Power plant is serviced regularly, it won't be a problem. Look at Japan, It has hundreds of nuclear reactor and it is in an Earthquake prone zone too but like Ralf Said If we shouldn't buy the design or the reactor from unreliable sources (e.g. Outdated Soviet technology). Yes there is a chances that the design of the Power plants won't stand large scale earthquakes but the chances is small and lets just hope it won't happen. We do not want a Chernobly In Indonesia, especially in Java, that would be catastrophic.

From Wikipedia

In that case, Indonesia should adopt the Japanese design, since they probably have one of the best, if not the best earthquake proof building design, in the world. But definitely, the site for the nuclear reactor should be chosen very very carefully, and then, we're still left with the question of how to safely and responsibly remove the spent nuclear fuel.
drakuli
QUOTE(Mangafan2 @ Jan 19 2008, 10:25 PM) [snapback]3435921[/snapback]
My country has an alliance with the USA so aslong as my country is safe I don't care alot about the rest.


Well, your post has just shown that you are just as egoistic you are, a bit similar to US now right? This egoistic think is the root of all problems, because you don't care if others are suffering or hurt as long as you are happy. Man, you should learn to know what "empathy" is. And going into alliance with USA is not going to make your country safer. Foreign threat against your country is low. See the map and see how far Iran is from your country. Do you think they have missile that can carry nukes to your country? icon_rolleyes.gif

And if you don't really care a lot about the rest then you shouldn't bother to visit this thread at all.

QUOTE(Mangafan2 @ Jan 19 2008, 10:25 PM) [snapback]3435921[/snapback]
Thing is that Iran is indeed a threat to the western countries, that's why I'm against it.
fu-k all of you who think other wise, it's better not to take any risks.
Aslong as my country is safe icon_smile.gif so fu-k you drakuli stupid goth.


Has Iran ever threaten western countries other than US? On what basis you are saying that? It is Iran who should feel threatened, not you. Iran doesn't have any nuke missile that can reach US or Europe, but instead US got a lot of subs and bases around Iran that can be used to launch nukes to Iran. Your words really shows that you got retarded mind and no empathy at all. shrug.gif

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Now about the topic. I think we better build the plant in Kalimantan (Borneo) as that area is less prone to earthquake. But I don't know whether transmitting the power will be too costly because of that. And the more to think about is how we are going to dump the radioactive waste. I agree with Han2 that we need to learn from Japan about how to build earthquake-proof nuclear plant.
Arash
The US has averaged one war every two years in the past 50 years. Their very national anthem is a hymn to war. They have no ground to stand on.


As for nuclear energy; here in Australia they've started testing hydrogen fuel cells in the public transport system. They last a hell of a long time and the only byproduct is pure water.

It's very cool, you see these buses driving around with a very fine water vapour coming out of the exhaust. Cleanest and safest energy in the world.
DutchEastIndiesMan
QUOTE(drakuli @ Jan 20 2008, 09:35 AM) [snapback]3436854[/snapback]
Well, your post has just shown that you are just as egoistic you are, a bit similar to US now right? This egoistic think is the root of all problems, because you don't care if others are suffering or hurt as long as you are happy. Man, you should learn to know what "empathy" is. And going into alliance with USA is not going to make your country safer. Foreign threat against your country is low. See the map and see how far Iran is from your country. Do you think they have missile that can carry nukes to your country? icon_rolleyes.gif

And if you don't really care a lot about the rest then you shouldn't bother to visit this thread at all.
Has Iran ever threaten western countries other than US? On what basis you are saying that? It is Iran who should feel threatened, not you. Iran doesn't have any nuke missile that can reach US or Europe, but instead US got a lot of subs and bases around Iran that can be used to launch nukes to Iran. Your words really shows that you got retarded mind and no empathy at all. shrug.gif

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Now about the topic. I think we better build the plant in Kalimantan (Borneo) as that area is less prone to earthquake. But I don't know whether transmitting the power will be too costly because of that. And the more to think about is how we are going to dump the radioactive waste. I agree with Han2 that we need to learn from Japan about how to build earthquake-proof nuclear plant.


I Disagree with you Drakuli cause Borneo's ecosystem is very unstable and making a Nuclear power plant would damaged the ecosystem and if there is a melt down in the reactors, it would be more catastrophic than a melt down somewhere in Sumatra or Sulawesi, it will destroy the rain forest and it's inhabitants and it will make the soil infertile. I think The whole Borneo should be a wildlife conservatory Island. However I do agree with you and Han2 that we should find the best bidder for the design not the cheapest one. Like i said even the best designed power plant still have the chance to be damaged, like a power plant in Japan not long ago (Aftermath...Radioactive materials got into the sea throws the cracks from the Earthquake).

BAPETEN is still choosing the site where to dump these spent radioactive materials, it will be arranged later by a decree from BAPETEN. For the site there are 2 choices Gorotalo, Sulawesi or Muria, Central Java and we already got 3 small, experimental nuclear reactors. All of them In Java. I Think we could make use of them spent uranium than just dumping them, we could use them as depleted uranium for military purposes or other civil purposes.
DutchEastIndiesMan
QUOTE(Arash @ Jan 20 2008, 03:15 PM) [snapback]3437360[/snapback]
The US has averaged one war every two years in the past 50 years. Their very national anthem is a hymn to war. They have no ground to stand on.
As for nuclear energy; here in Australia they've started testing hydrogen fuel cells in the public transport system. They last a hell of a long time and the only byproduct is pure water.

It's very cool, you see these buses driving around with a very fine water vapour coming out of the exhaust. Cleanest and safest energy in the world.


Really?? I haven't seen any around in Perth's CBD, all i have seen is those gas buses..thats all
Looking forward to see those hydrogen fuel cells buses in Perth
Arash
QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ Jan 20 2008, 02:54 PM) [snapback]3437440[/snapback]
Really?? I haven't seen any around in Perth's CBD, all i have seen is those gas buses..thats all
Looking forward to see those hydrogen fuel cells buses in Perth


There aren't too many. If you see one you won't miss it. They got this big thing on top.
Arash
Here

http://www.gdc.asn.au/ecobus/
Ralf
QUOTE(Arash @ Jan 20 2008, 05:15 PM) [snapback]3437360[/snapback]
As for nuclear energy; here in Australia they've started testing hydrogen fuel cells in the public transport system. They last a hell of a long time and the only byproduct is pure water.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read that Iceland is using this technology in all vehicles.
Arash
QUOTE(Ralf @ Jan 20 2008, 05:11 PM) [snapback]3437668[/snapback]
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read that Iceland is using this technology in all vehicles.


I didn't know that. But it's great if it's true.

Having country that has made the transition as an example will go a long way to convince other nations that it is quite possible.

Everyone has anxieties about switching to alternative types of fuel. Mostly thinking of the high cost of transition. That may still be so but this will show that it's possible.

But that's if it's true. I never heard about Iceland.
Arash
Ok it turns out it's not true.

They're more or less where Australia is at the moment. But they're more determined to spread it to all areas.

QUOTE
If everything goes as planned, then Iceland will become a "hydrogen society" within the next 30 to 40 years. Next year will see the coming three city buses powered by fuel cells. In three years, hydrogen powered private cars will hit the Icelandic market. In 2015, the Icelandic government is scheduled to begin renewing the Icelandic fishing fleet using fuel cells. By the year 2040, scientists and politicians envision Iceland as the first country that will be almost entirely free from fossil fuel.


http://www.worldpress.org/Europe/436.cfm
Ralf
QUOTE(Arash @ Jan 20 2008, 08:33 PM) [snapback]3437706[/snapback]
Ok it turns out it's not true.
They're more or less where Australia is at the moment. But they're more determined to spread it to all areas.
http://www.worldpress.org/Europe/436.cfm
OK That is a start.
I wonder if there are powerful oil lobby groups holding back the progress of alternative energy development ?

BTW Arash those swinging cheerleader butts are freaking me out. jb.gif
DutchEastIndiesMan
QUOTE(Arash @ Jan 20 2008, 06:33 PM) [snapback]3437706[/snapback]
Ok it turns out it's not true.

They're more or less where Australia is at the moment. But they're more determined to spread it to all areas.
http://www.worldpress.org/Europe/436.cfm


Yeah Iceland is one true Advanced country because they have nothing to spend their money on other things. The country's defense is the responsible of the USA and because they live really north they got more school hours then other countries. Thats why the students there achieved higher grades compared to the world.I heard that 1\3 or maybe 2\3 of Iceland's power came from geothermal energy from those huge volcanoes. Iceland is one of the leading countries of geothermal energy and other non fossil nor non nuclear fuels.

Btw I like those cheerleaders every time i see it embarassedlaugh.gif biggthumpup.gif
Arash
QUOTE(Ralf @ Jan 20 2008, 07:21 PM) [snapback]3437805[/snapback]
OK That is a start.
I wonder if there are powerful oil lobby groups holding back the progress of alternative energy development ?

BTW Arash those swinging cheerleader butts are freaking me out. jb.gif


I read the title, Shell Hydrogen or something similar. Which leads me to believe that at least some oil companies themselves are pursuing this technology.

That's something I guess. It's better to have the oil conglomerate itself come up with alternative fuel sources than have them mess with other people and hold back progress.

QUOTE(Ralf @ Jan 20 2008, 07:21 PM) [snapback]3437805[/snapback]
BTW Arash those swinging cheerleader butts are freaking me out. jb.gif


You're like the third person. What the hell's wrong with that butt? icon_sad.gif
Arash
QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ Jan 20 2008, 07:49 PM) [snapback]3437826[/snapback]
Btw I like those cheerleaders every time i see it embarassedlaugh.gif biggthumpup.gif


Ahh a positive one.

They're there to bring cheer alright! biggthumpup.gif
DutchEastIndiesMan
QUOTE(Arash @ Jan 20 2008, 09:17 PM) [snapback]3437841[/snapback]
Ahh a positive one.

They're there to bring cheer alright! biggthumpup.gif


They always do Arash...They always do...


LOL Off topic in my own thread...sry !! icon_sad.gif icon_redface.gif
Mangafan2
QUOTE(drakuli @ Jan 20 2008, 01:35 AM) [snapback]3436854[/snapback]
Well, your post has just shown that you are just as egoistic you are, a bit similar to US now right? This egoistic think is the root of all problems, because you don't care if others are suffering or hurt as long as you are happy. Man, you should learn to know what "empathy" is. And going into alliance with USA is not going to make your country safer. Foreign threat against your country is low. See the map and see how far Iran is from your country. Do you think they have missile that can carry nukes to your country? icon_rolleyes.gif

How can you call me egoistic when I clearly said the safety of my country?
Seriously are you retarded?

I never said that having an alliance with USA is safe, like that was my decision.
But I rather have the USA as an ally than Iran.
That country is just messed up.
And just because we're far away doesn't mean they can't be dangerous.

My kind of egoistic think is the root of all problems? hahahahahahahaahahahaha
Yeah yeah, and blowing yourself up for some holy cause and 72 virgins ain't biggthumpup.gif
Those kind of countries shouldn't even have power to begin with.


QUOTE(drakuli @ Jan 20 2008, 01:35 AM) [snapback]3436854[/snapback]
And if you don't really care a lot about the rest then you shouldn't bother to visit this thread at all.
Has Iran ever threaten western countries other than US? On what basis you are saying that? It is Iran who should feel threatened, not you. Iran doesn't have any nuke missile that can reach US or Europe, but instead US got a lot of subs and bases around Iran that can be used to launch nukes to Iran. Your words really shows that you got retarded mind and no empathy at all. shrug.gif

Again, how can you say I don't have any empathy if I was clearly talking bout my country?
And I also mean Europe. Just because you're against them doesn't mean I don't have empathy icon_smile.gif jackass.

Just because they got noob weapons doesn't mean they can't be dangerous.
They just scream some islam $hit and people blow themselves up here.

I ain't afraid like you said, I have empathy for my fellow countrymen icon_wink.gif


DEL
QUOTE
They just scream some islam $hit and people blow themselves up here.


have some more respect for the islam, dude.
The people that blow themselves up are mislead by their leaders.
No god would want their people to kill others just for believing something else, that would be cruel and the life of others kinda like trash.
What happens is just people who get power in their religion and (mis)lead others with their emotions, instead of the logic their book says.
IF you look at the history, every religion did it and the non-religious too.

But about the nuclear power. They are working on a much safer form of it and it is getting further and further.
PErhaps we drive cars and put nuclear batteries in our devices. :P
But yeah, it needs to be safe, because if one battery goes off the whole world will go to in a chain reaction.
I also saw on engadget.com that they are designing a new kind of windmills. http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/26/maglev-...ormal-windmill/
Looks promising. icon_smile.gif

So let Indonesia wait so it can use that better technology.
Mangafan2
QUOTE(DEL @ Jan 20 2008, 10:54 PM) [snapback]3438565[/snapback]
have some more respect for the islam, dude.


I look at the people not the religion.

QUOTE(DEL @ Jan 20 2008, 10:54 PM) [snapback]3438565[/snapback]
IF you look at the history, every religion did it and the non-religious too.


And your point is? That doesn't justify anything.
skyisdalimit
please, dont divert from the topic.
DutchEastIndiesMan
LOL yeah this topic becomes a Anti Islam Debate....

@DEL and Drakuli...You can't change peoples believes so I recommend that you stop trying to debate with Mangafan2 about his views because you're wasting your time...

@Mangafan2...lets not continue this debate on your view about Islam, Thank you for sharing with us but I think you got the wrong thread.

@ To all....Lets continue this thread !!!! beerchug.gif bros.....and sis....
Mangafan2
Well it wasn't me who was hammering on about my view.
Anyway my point was that I don't think Indonesia should get nuclear power, period.
DutchEastIndiesMan
QUOTE(Mangafan2 @ Jan 22 2008, 12:21 PM) [snapback]3441442[/snapback]
Well it wasn't me who was hammering on about my view.
Anyway my point was that I don't think Indonesia should get nuclear power, period.


Thank you... beerchug.gif bro
Majapahitans
With the example of Fukushima Daiichi reactor meltdown, I think Indonesia should not pursue nuclear power plant...,
Hey just like Japan we sat on tectonic plate rift and quake-tsunami prone zone.
Ralf
Yeah, right now I agree with you.
The region is too volatile to give a suitable degree of security to people living near any nuclear power plant in Indonesia.
They don't call it the Rim of Fire for nothing.
Kresna
I think the ability of the Indonesian government for disaster management would be the true disaster compared to the seismic risks.
Grandmaster C
yahahahhahahaah XD indeed
tangawizi
QUOTE (Majapahitans @ Mar 21 2011, 12:42 PM) *
With the example of Fukushima Daiichi reactor meltdown, I think Indonesia should not pursue nuclear power plant...,
Hey just like Japan we sat on tectonic plate rift and quake-tsunami prone zone.



Maybe Indonesia should partner with Singapore, where we set up a joint government venture to build the nuclear facilities offshore in one of the islands in the Straits Channel that wouldn't be on located directly or near the tectonic plate movement nor active volcanoes....
Majapahitans
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Mar 22 2011, 06:07 PM) *
Maybe Indonesia should partner with Singapore, where we set up a joint government venture to build the nuclear facilities offshore in one of the islands in the Straits Channel that wouldn't be on located directly or near the tectonic plate movement nor active volcanoes....


I dunno tanga... I still find nuclear powerplant is unattractive source of energy....
although Singapore-Malaccan Straits is not located on tectonic plate collision zone...
Imagine nuclear meltdown near a citystate like Singapore would be a dissaster for the region.
tangawizi
Singapore won't suffer any natural disasters so why do u worry about nuclear meltdown???
Majapahitans
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Mar 28 2011, 07:18 PM) *
Singapore won't suffer any natural disasters so why do u worry about nuclear meltdown???


If nature don't lend its hand, maybe human do, human error or being terrorism target...
Nuclear is risky technology my dear...
tangawizi
Singapore doesnt need nuclear power yet... but we could sell it to the region? If meltdown happens, we are a small population of Singaporeans, could easily migrate to Irian Jaya??? icon_wink.gif

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