Turtles are pretty amazing creatures. Among our earliest land-dwelling vertebrates. Far earlier than lizards and snakes, turtles have been on earth for at least 215 million years. They are the longest-lived creatures on earth with a longevity of 150 years or more for some species of tortoises. They possess intelligence—pet turtles can recognize their human owners. Turtles and their eggs also make extremely good eating. The meat is tender and quite flavorful. Turtle soup is quite popular and made from green turtles. Unfortunately, many species of them today are endangered. Ancient cultures revered them not only as a rich source of food. Their shells had sacred musical uses for tribal folk:
“The rattles varied even more than the drums, for aside from certain forms restricted to definite ceremonial and dance use, each tribe had typical forms, while, in addition, individual ideas and taste resulted in rattles of every conceivable form, size and material. There were gourd rattles, wooden rattles, rattles of rawhide, and of turtle-shells. Very often rawhide rattles would be made in the forms of frogs, turtles, birds, etc. and entire turtles, with the head and neck forming the handles, were used.”
http://stillwoods.blogspot.com/2007/12/kno...-moccasins.html
African tribesmen rested the ends of their hunting bows on the tops of hollow tortoise shells to serve as a resonating chamber and then pluck the bowstring for a throbbing bass. This tortoise shell base was the inspiration for the later washtub bass and double bass.
The Hindu cosmology show the world-turtle, Chukwa, carrying the elephant, Maha-pudma, who carries the earth upon his back. Chukwa swims in the primordial ocean of milk, Ksheera Sagara. In another Hindu cosmology, the turtle is Akupara and carries the earth upon his back.
In Balinese mythology, there was only Anataboga the serpent at the Beginning. His meditations produced Bedwang the turtle and upon his back rode two serpents and the Black Stone—the lid of the Underworld. The Black Stone also plays a significant role in Islam and is literally at the center of the Muslims’ worship where it is known as the al-Hajar al-Aswad and is the eastern cornerstone of the cubical shrine called the Kaaba in the city of Mecca where it sits in pieces encased in an odd, vesica-shaped silver frame with an oval window. When Muslims make the pilgrimage or hajj to Mecca, they go to the Kaaba and circumnavigate it seven times in imitation of planetary orbits about the sun in a ritual called tawaf. At each circuit, they point to the Black Stone and, if possible, kiss it (it is about 5 feet above the ground). The Black Stone was said to have fallen from heaven during the times of Adam and Eve and was set in place on the Kaaba by Muhammad himself. Below, the Kaaba with the Black Stone visible in its silver frame on the left corner of the building.
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The Black Stone:
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In American Indian lore, the continent of North America is called Turtle Island. The Onandaga story runs thus:
Before the Earth existed, there was only water. In the Clouds was Skyland, where a sacred Great Tree grew. The Great Tree had branches that pointed to the four cardinal directions.
An ancient chief lived in Skyland. His wife was with child and she had a dream that the Great Tree was uprooted. Dreams were very important to the "Ancient Chief." The chief and his men tried to pull the tree loose, but the taproot was very deep.
Finally, the "Ancient Chief," using all his energy, managed to loosen the soil from around the tree. It was uprooted and laid upon its side. However, the tree left a large hole in Skyland. The chief's wife looked down the hole and saw something glittering like water. She steadied herself on the branches of the Great Tree. However, the branch snapped and broke and she fell down endlessly.
Two Swans saw this women and flew up to help her so as to cushion her fall. They then realized that the woman was not like them...she did not have webbed feet or waterproof feathers. This creature could not live in the water. All the animals decided that she would die if they did not think of a plan to save her.
After much discussion, they decide that she was made to live on Earth. However, the only Earth was at the bottom of the continuous oceans and streams. The Duck, the Beaver, and the Loon all tried to bring Earth from the bottom to the top of the water. They all failed. Then the Muskrat, decided to try. He took on a determined look and went up and down, until finally he loosened some Earth. However, they knew Earth did not float on water, so Turtle volunteered to carry Earth on his back. Muskrat put Earth on Turtle's back, but her paw marks still remain to this day.
After Earth reached Turtle's back, it began to increase in size until it became what we today call Turtle Island (North America). The Swans flew down carrying Sky Woman to her new home. Sky Woman relaxed and opened her hand (that held those leaves and seeds from the Great Tree). The seeds fell to Earth, germinated and many new trees grew on Turtle Island.
Life on Earth had begun. Today Mother Earth provides us with food, air, water, and shelter. Turtle with the Great Tree on his back is the symbol of the Iroquois Nation.
There is a totemic turtle clan among the American Indians. Its members struggle to maintain all the turtle’s noblest traits.
The turtle represents spirit-in-matter. The turtle emerging from his shell is representative of spirit emerging from matter. His home and his armor is on his back—that is, matter is the home and armor of the spirit. The shell is the turtle’s ribcage and backbone giving him mobility and strength just the matter that houses our spirits form our bones and flesh which gives consciousness physical mobility.
Turtle shells have special mystical significance. The top of the turtle shell or carapace consists 33 plates or scutes. Five spinal scutes called vertebrals, 8 flanking scutes (4 per side) called pleurals and ringed in by 20 edge scutes called marginals. There is an extra pseudo-scute called the cervical making 21 in all. On the bottom or plastron are six pairs of scutes from head to tail called the gular, humeral, pectoral, abdominal, femoral and anal. The intergulars are very tiny and are part of the gulars.
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The 5 vertebral scutes and the 8 surrounding pleurals make 13, then add in the 21 scutes around the edge for a total of 34 scutes in all and the sequence follows the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth terms of the Fibonacci Sequence where each succeeding number in the sequence is obtained by adding the previous two (e.g. 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, etc) and also corresponds the 5 sharps of the chromatic musical scale of the 13-tone, 8-note octave. It also defines the relationship between the planet Venus and the earth. Every 8 years, Venus passes earth as each race around the sun. When Venus passes earth, it does so in 5 specific constellations every 584 days. This forms a pentagram.
http://churchofsatan.com/Graphics/News/VenusPentagram.jpg
The pentagram formed by Venus would be perfect except that there are two leap days in an 8-year period causing the pentagram to slip a little making it revolve within an oval clockwise. Venus’s orbit appears to us a rather fanciful pentangle the further from the equator one is and a somewhat lopsided pentagram near the equator:
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/principles.jpg
The carapace scutes number 33 and corresponds to the 33 vertebra and the 33 degrees that the sun must move through a zodiacal constellation to be considered as passing out of it and into the next. There are 12 zodiac constellations corresponding to the 12 plastron scutes on the turtle’s belly. The slow, even pace of the turtle is like the slow, even pace of the sun as it passes through all 12 signs of the zodiac until it completes a single circuit of the heavens in 26,000 years (called a Great Year). The turtle represents patience, strength and endurance—unflappable determination. Because it lives both on land and in water (salt and fresh), it represents adaptability to most any situation.
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The Maya were concerned with the orbit of Venus. It was one of the primary celestial bodies observed meticulously by Mayan astronomer-priests.
The Mayan calendar that worked like three meshing gears of different sizes. The three calendars are called the Long Count, the Tzolkin and the Ha’ab. A Mayan date may read 12.17.15.8.3, 4 Lamat 2 Yax. 12.17.15.8.3 is the Long Count. 4 Lamat is the Tzolkin date and 2 Yax is the Ha’ab date. The Long Count (a lunar calendar btw) starts off at the 3114 BCE.
In the Mayan scheme of time, a day is the smallest division which they called a kin. There are 20 kin in a month in the Long Count and 20 kin is called a uinal. The Long Count is measured in uinals. The date is base 20 excepting the second number from the right (8 in this case) which is base 18. So the Long Count date of 12.17.15.8.3 contains 3 kin or days. The next number to the left represented the uinal which is 20 kin. But only 18 uinals make up the tun, the next category to the left represented by the number 15 in this case and a kin is 360 days (18 x 20). The next number to the left, 17, represents the katun or 20 tun which equal 7200 kin (360 x 20) or about 20 years. Then finally come baktun which equal 20 katun or 144,000 days or 394 years (7200 x 20). There are longer periods of time but these are not included in the Long Count.
The Tzolkin calendar consists of two types of weeks:
· A numbered week going from 1-13.
· A named week of 20 days.
13 x 20 = 260 and so the Tzolkin calendar was 260 days long. After hitting 13, the numbered days reset but the named days didn’t reset until all 20 days had passed.
The Ha’ab calendar consists of eighteen 20-month days or a 360-day year. But 5 more days called Uayeb were added to the calendar for a 365-day year. Uayeb were considered unlucky days. Any child born during Uayed was considered doomed. The smallest number both 260 and 365 both divide into evenly is 18,980 and 18,920/365 = 52. So any Tzolkin-Ha’ab date such as 13 Chuen 8 Xul will repeat every 52 years. So the Tzolkin-Ha’ab calendar cannot go beyond 52 years which is why the Long Count calendar exists.
Likewise, despite there being 20 baktun, they are only numbered from 1-13 after which the numbers roll over. The kin, tun and katun are numbered from 0-19. The uinal are numbered from 0-17. The first date of the Long Count, 3114 BCE, would seem to be expressed as 0.0.0.0.0 but since the baktun are numbered 1-13, the first date of the Long Count 13.0.0.0.0 and this date will repeat approximately every 5125 years. This means that 13.0.0.0.0—the Day of Creation—will return in 3114 BCE + 5125 years or 2012 CE and will fall on the either December 21 or 23 of that year—the galactic winter solstice as it is known.
What the Mayan astronomer-priests apparently realized was that on this auspicious date, the Milky Way will be lined up edgewise from the view of earth and will appear to be rimming the horizon. There is a dark spot within this band of the Milky Way caused by interstellar dust clouds that appear to us on earth as a black hole. The sun will be appearing to emerge from this black hole. The Popol Vuh calls it a “Black Road.” It is the same heavenly Black Stone—the lid of the Underworld (which is earth itself). In the Mayan legend, there is a cosmic tree in heaven, i.e. the Milky Way, with a crevice in the branches. The black hole from which the winter solstice sun of 2012 emerges is imaged as the cosmic mother and the sun is newborn holy infant newborn. Compare this with the Onandaga story quoted above concerning a cosmic tree being uprooted, laid on its side and leaving a large hole in “skyland.”
Here we see Lord (Ahau) Pacal on his coffin lid being identified as the sun entering the sacred tree—that point at which the ecliptic intersects the galactic equator:
http://www.levity.com/eschaton/GIFs/diag1.gif
The 260-day Tzolkin calendar is also aligned to Venus. As we know, Venus catches and passes earth every 584 days. During that period, there are two months during which Venus will not be visible to us due to being on the other side of the sun (a superior conjunction)—about 64 days. That leaves about 520 days of visibility or about 260 days out of the year. The turtle embodies Venus’s movement in the heavens and also the Mayan calendar because its 5 vertebral scutes correspond to the 5-day period of Uayeb and the 5 time periods that make up the Long Count. The 13 large scutes and 20 small scutes correspond to the 13 numbered days of the week of 20 named days as well as the 13 numbers of the 20 baktuns.
Let us not forget that the legendary emperor, inventor of agriculture and discoverer of tea, Fou Hsi, also discovered the eight trigrams of the I Ching on the back of a tortoise shell. The tortoise shell played a huge role in I Ching divination. Someone with a question about anything from war to marriage to taxes to birth to death would go to a soothsayer who would take a hot iron to a tortoise shell causing the surface to randomly crack and split and then would read the pattern. These cracks were often inscribed with the earliest examples we have of Chinese writing. Then again I Ching is the oldest published book in history. The very basis for much of Chinese and therefore Eastern culture. Brought to you courtesy of the turtle shell.
The Mayan calendar that worked like three meshing gears of different sizes. The three calendars are called the Long Count, the Tzolkin and the Ha’ab. A Mayan date may read 12.17.15.8.3, 4 Lamat 2 Yax. 12.17.15.8.3 is the Long Count. 4 Lamat is the Tzolkin date and 2 Yax is the Ha’ab date. The Long Count (a lunar calendar btw) starts off at the 3114 BCE.
In the Mayan scheme of time, a day is the smallest division which they called a kin. There are 20 kin in a month in the Long Count and 20 kin is called a uinal. The Long Count is measured in uinals. The date is base 20 excepting the second number from the right (8 in this case) which is base 18. So the Long Count date of 12.17.15.8.3 contains 3 kin or days. The next number to the left represented the uinal which is 20 kin. But only 18 uinals make up the tun, the next category to the left represented by the number 15 in this case and a kin is 360 days (18 x 20). The next number to the left, 17, represents the katun or 20 tun which equal 7200 kin (360 x 20) or about 20 years. Then finally come baktun which equal 20 katun or 144,000 days or 394 years (7200 x 20). There are longer periods of time but these are not included in the Long Count.
The Tzolkin calendar consists of two types of weeks:
· A numbered week going from 1-13.
· A named week of 20 days.
13 x 20 = 260 and so the Tzolkin calendar was 260 days long. After hitting 13, the numbered days reset but the named days didn’t reset until all 20 days had passed.
The Ha’ab calendar consists of eighteen 20-month days or a 360-day year. But 5 more days called Uayeb were added to the calendar for a 365-day year. Uayeb were considered unlucky days. Any child born during Uayed was considered doomed. The smallest number both 260 and 365 both divide into evenly is 18,980 and 18,920/365 = 52. So any Tzolkin-Ha’ab date such as 13 Chuen 8 Xul will repeat every 52 years. So the Tzolkin-Ha’ab calendar cannot go beyond 52 years which is why the Long Count calendar exists.
Likewise, despite there being 20 baktun, they are only numbered from 1-13 after which the numbers roll over. The kin, tun and katun are numbered from 0-19. The uinal are numbered from 0-17. The first date of the Long Count, 3114 BCE, would seem to be expressed as 0.0.0.0.0 but since the baktun are numbered 1-13, the first date of the Long Count 13.0.0.0.0 and this date will repeat approximately every 5125 years. This means that 13.0.0.0.0—the Day of Creation—will return in 3114 BCE + 5125 years or 2012 CE and will fall on the either December 21 or 23 of that year—the galactic winter solstice as it is known.
What the Mayan astronomer-priests apparently realized was that on this auspicious date, the Milky Way will be lined up edgewise from the view of earth and will appear to be rimming the horizon. There is a dark spot within this band of the Milky Way caused by interstellar dust clouds that appear to us on earth as a black hole. The sun will be appearing to emerge from this black hole. The Popol Vuh calls it a “Black Road.” It is the same heavenly Black Stone—the lid of the Underworld (which is earth itself). In the Mayan legend, there is a cosmic tree in heaven, i.e. the Milky Way, with a crevice in the branches. The black hole from which the winter solstice sun of 2012 emerges is imaged as the cosmic mother and the sun is newborn holy infant newborn. Compare this with the Onandaga story quoted above concerning a cosmic tree being uprooted, laid on its side and leaving a large hole in “skyland.”
Here we see Lord (Ahau) Pacal on his coffin lid being identified as the sun entering the sacred tree—that point at which the ecliptic intersects the galactic equator:
http://www.levity.com/eschaton/GIFs/diag1.gif
The 260-day Tzolkin calendar is also aligned to Venus. As we know, Venus catches and passes earth every 584 days. During that period, there are two months during which Venus will not be visible to us due to being on the other side of the sun (a superior conjunction)—about 64 days. That leaves about 520 days of visibility or about 260 days out of the year. The turtle embodies Venus’s movement in the heavens and also the Mayan calendar because its 5 vertebral scutes correspond to the 5-day period of Uayeb and the 5 time periods that make up the Long Count. The 13 large scutes and 20 small scutes correspond to the 13 numbered days of the week of 20 named days as well as the 13 numbers of the 20 baktuns.
Let us not forget that the legendary emperor, inventor of agriculture and discoverer of tea, Fou Hsi, also discovered the eight trigrams of the I Ching on the back of a tortoise shell. The tortoise shell played a huge role in I Ching divination. Someone with a question about anything from war to marriage to taxes to birth to death would go to a soothsayer who would take a hot iron to a tortoise shell causing the surface to randomly crack and split and then would read the pattern. These cracks were often inscribed with the earliest examples we have of Chinese writing. Then again I Ching is the oldest published book in history. The very basis for much of Chinese and therefore Eastern culture. Brought to you courtesy of the turtle shell.
Turtles are mad! Especially the penny ones =]
Turtles were both spirit beings and totems and sometimes had horns. The turtle was a symbol of the mother earth seen as a womb and was a symbol of fertility. In mythology the turtle, especially the snapping turtle, was associated with being a great warrior and was a frequent motif on warrior shields and war drums.
http://www.tcinternet.net/users/cbailey/RA.html
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/208954...17f7a8e.jpg?v=0
The photo belongs to one of the famous "Dasa-avataaras" of Lord Vishnu of Hindu Mythology.
Koorma means a Turtle. It is said that Lord Vishnu had taken the form of a Turtle to uplift the Mountain-Mandara.
Gods and Demons started churning the ocean of milk for Amr.tam - the divine nectar, by drinking which, a person becomes Amara(immortal). They made Mandara mountain as the churning stick and Vasuki, a great snake as the churning rope. But the heavy mountain started sinking in the ocean. Gods and Demons sought the help of Vishnu. Then Vishnu took the form of Koorma (Turtle) and supported the mountain with his back.
The above idol is present in the Jagannatha Swamy temple in the Steel city, Visakhapatnam, Andhrapradesh, INDIA.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/ne/al/al13.htm
Strange American coin from 1837 during the Van Buren administration:
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Today, I went out to the occult bookstore in my area. It’s a cool place with all kinds of mystical and religious knick-knacks for sale. I wanted a turtle figurine of some sort. They had $hitloads of them. It’s amazing was a sacred figure the turtle still is. Finally, I found a Chinese one that so perfect and beautiful that I bought it. It’s made of that dark red cherry wood or whatever it is. Pretty heavy wood—dense. The turtle is sitting on a bunch of Chinese coins. I have a frog of the same wood and same color. You put a penny or other coin in its mouth and it’s like a good fortune thing. It’s very beautiful, ornate, mythical kind of frog and now I have a beautiful turtle to go with it. You can’t see its plastron since the turtle is on its belly but the carapace scutes are clearly visible and I counted them up and its perfect—5 vertebrals, 8 pleurals and 20 marginals with a cervical barely visible. God, I love it! It’s about the size of a softball and looks something like this:
Further turtle mythology includes the Egyptian zodiac sign for Libra where the autumnal equinox occurs. Today, we use a set of scales as a zodiac sign for Libra but the Egyptians used a tortoise. At that time of year, the tortoises’ backs could be seen breaking the surface of the Nile. The theme of balance is still present since the turtle in mythology is forever balancing something on his back—the earth, an elephant, etc.—and the Egyptians observed a variety of birds lighting on the backs of the tortoises. The balance is characteristic of the equinox since it is the point at which day and night are of equal length—perfectly balanced.
I’ve also run across a bizarre West African tale of the beautiful maiden Olori who goes to the house of Brother Turtle to pluck his garden eggs without his permission. He catches her and she begs him not to tell the other villagers for it is very bad form to take without asking. The turtle agrees not to tell provided Olori balance the turtle on her head and carry him about. She agrees and puts the turtle on her head and starts back to her village. While they walk, the turtle begins to sing: “Olori plucked my garden eggs / Olori plucked my garden eggs / people shall hear it / for I shall sing it / Olori plucked my garden eggs!”
Alarmed, Olori says, “My brother turtle! You said you would not tell!” But the turtle has a further condition that Olori must agree to if she wants to buy his silence—she must spread her legs for him and allow him to insert his head into her whatsis. She, of course, does not wish to do this for he will pleasure her such that she cannot interact with the other villagers being in a constant state of stimulation. Brother Turtle lets it be known that it is not negotiable—either she allows it or he tells everyone that she plucked his garden eggs and he further promises not to stimulate her. So Olori sits down and spreads her thighs and Brother Turtle crawls up and sticks his head into her whatsis. Of course, he immediately begins to pleasure her and Olori goes into ecstasy—moaning and groaning with delight.
When the other villagers notice that Olori has been away for a long time and no one knew where she had gone, they begin to search for her. They follow her moans and find her, of course, still seated, Brother Turtle between her legs. She tells the villagers that the turtle had tricked her and begged them to pull him out of her. The villagers seize the turtle and pull but Brother Turtle held tight. They pulled harder and Brother Turtle’s neck stretched but his head remained firmly planted. Finally, the villagers gave a great yank on Brother Turtle with all their might and found themselves clutching a headless turtle for he had held so fast to Olori that his head remained stuck in her body. Try as they might, no one could dislodge the turtle’s head from Olori’s whatsis.
And that is why, to this day, all women have a turtle’s head in their whatsis and if you tickle it enough, it causes the woman to go into deep sexual pleasure. Gives new meaning to “maidenhead” does it not?
Further turtle mythology includes the Egyptian zodiac sign for Libra where the autumnal equinox occurs. Today, we use a set of scales as a zodiac sign for Libra but the Egyptians used a tortoise. At that time of year, the tortoises’ backs could be seen breaking the surface of the Nile. The theme of balance is still present since the turtle in mythology is forever balancing something on his back—the earth, an elephant, etc.—and the Egyptians observed a variety of birds lighting on the backs of the tortoises. The balance is characteristic of the equinox since it is the point at which day and night are of equal length—perfectly balanced.
I’ve also run across a bizarre West African tale of the beautiful maiden Olori who goes to the house of Brother Turtle to pluck his garden eggs without his permission. He catches her and she begs him not to tell the other villagers for it is very bad form to take without asking. The turtle agrees not to tell provided Olori balance the turtle on her head and carry him about. She agrees and puts the turtle on her head and starts back to her village. While they walk, the turtle begins to sing: “Olori plucked my garden eggs / Olori plucked my garden eggs / people shall hear it / for I shall sing it / Olori plucked my garden eggs!”
Alarmed, Olori says, “My brother turtle! You said you would not tell!” But the turtle has a further condition that Olori must agree to if she wants to buy his silence—she must spread her legs for him and allow him to insert his head into her whatsis. She, of course, does not wish to do this for he will pleasure her such that she cannot interact with the other villagers being in a constant state of stimulation. Brother Turtle lets it be known that it is not negotiable—either she allows it or he tells everyone that she plucked his garden eggs and he further promises not to stimulate her. So Olori sits down and spreads her thighs and Brother Turtle crawls up and sticks his head into her whatsis. Of course, he immediately begins to pleasure her and Olori goes into ecstasy—moaning and groaning with delight.
When the other villagers notice that Olori has been away for a long time and no one knew where she had gone, they begin to search for her. They follow her moans and find her, of course, still seated, Brother Turtle between her legs. She tells the villagers that the turtle had tricked her and begged them to pull him out of her. The villagers seize the turtle and pull but Brother Turtle held tight. They pulled harder and Brother Turtle’s neck stretched but his head remained firmly planted. Finally, the villagers gave a great yank on Brother Turtle with all their might and found themselves clutching a headless turtle for he had held so fast to Olori that his head remained stuck in her body. Try as they might, no one could dislodge the turtle’s head from Olori’s whatsis.
And that is why, to this day, all women have a turtle’s head in their whatsis and if you tickle it enough, it causes the woman to go into deep sexual pleasure. Gives new meaning to “maidenhead” does it not?
Holy shít you write A LOT.
Edit: These bastards can grow up to outlive me!
Edit: These bastards can grow up to outlive me!
Are you here to join the turtle clan or not?
i'm a turtle and tortoise lover. i'm in the middle of relocating, so i had to let most my favorite pets go 
i let my hypomelanistic Spider Tortoise (Pyxis arachnoides) go for a few hundred. i had paid like $2000 for her. what a loss.
but on a positive note, she is part of a thriving breeding project now and has a mate!
i'm definitely setting up turtle pond and a tortoise "run" at my new place.
i let my hypomelanistic Spider Tortoise (Pyxis arachnoides) go for a few hundred. i had paid like $2000 for her. what a loss.
but on a positive note, she is part of a thriving breeding project now and has a mate!
i'm definitely setting up turtle pond and a tortoise "run" at my new place.
Red eared slider and two soft shells. Their favorite food is frozen shrimp.
Hey, I don't think it right to eat turtle. Because the way they are "design" or grow up you can't kill them without hurting them. Also, they are really smart compare to other "animal" ha ha ha. I was mislead here, this is not a turtle clan. You guy are mean people.
QUOTE (MyNameIsVu @ May 25 2009, 04:52 PM) 
Hey, I don't think it right to eat turtle. Because the way they are "design" or grow up you can't kill them without hurting them. Also, they are really smart compare to other "animal" ha ha ha. I was mislead here, this is not a turtle clan. You guy are mean people.
What are you talking about?
This thread is about people who like turtles and/or keep them as pets.
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ May 25 2009, 02:07 PM)
What are you talking about?
This thread is about people who like turtles and/or keep them as pets.
This thread is about people who like turtles and/or keep them as pets.
Oh, sorry then because I read somewhere in this "turtle clan" that someone suggest eating Turtle and stuffs. Yeah man, what go round come around. Like how the white people enslave other and stuff, yet, they themselve are being enslave softly. I don't really know what happen when they die and the like of them (Asian, Arab, Black, Green Alien, a losber, a turtle,...), where they go and stuffs. But man, those turle they look cute. Too bad I don't keep any pet, because I have little or no confidence in raising anything or take care of the pet. If I am going to do it, I have to make sure I have like a nice job, a nice home, a nice you know that kind of intelligence,...
If I own an island, half of it would be totally untaken care of, just a punches wildlife and the other half is like super high tect. Just a saying, don't take it literately. Ha ha ha
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