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mmalungcot
I believe that CHANGE begins with our children. They are the leaders of our future - the Philippine's future. They are the leaders who can begin a new revolution to change the way so many Filipinos think. The MINDSET needs to CHANGE... And once that mindset begins to change, we begin our journey to peace and prosperity.
But right now, the mindset of the people saddens me. I see complete hopelessness. I hear a lot of complaints about the economy and the government but see no action or initiative among the people. Why do we just let the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich? When someone asks why the Philippines is like this, why do we just say "that's just the way it is and there's nothing we can do about it."

Of course there is!

I have hope and I believe that things WILL get better. And it will begin by teaching our children how to be leaders, communicators, and innovators. Their mindset will NOT be filled with hopelessness but it will be embodied by pure faith, passion, and hope. They WILL take action and not just complain. They WILL think out of the box and figure out solutions to help poverty and sickness. They WILL challenge the policies of the government if there is no justice. They WILL have passion for the Philippines and passion to create change for the better. And these young leaders will teach this same exact mentality to their children, and then they will teach it to their children, and so on and so forth, until one day, we have a country that is strong and filled with opportunity.

Although this may take decades, I truly believe this is a solution that will get us out of corruption and poverty.

I have an idea that will get this revolution started but I am still figuring out the platform and blueprint of the organization. I'm posting this blog today to network and see who else is out there that feels the same and would like to support me. What are your thoughts on starting an organization based on the belief I described above - changing the mindset of the country through our children.
*promo
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=134341


QUOTE(*promo @ Sep 15 2007, 11:01 PM) [snapback]3210648[/snapback]
QUOTE(Hensoldt @ Sep 14 2007, 04:29 PM) [snapback]3208356[/snapback]
I don't advocate false pride. If you talk the talk you'd better walk the walk if you guys know what I mean.

And don't take any crap from anybody. Look where humility and indifference to confrontation have brought us. Getting trampled upon in our own land of all places. Time we look within ourselves and decide that we must make our homeland a secure place for the next generations free from oppression and exploitation.



just those words alone deserves it own thread and even more.

i think i should have left this forum a little bit alonger instead of coming back after a little after a week. I'm more pissed off then frustrated then ever how some of these Filipino think here and other forums too.

seriously this needs to spread worldwide, we need to have a secure future that is in favor of our children's childern's and not foreign interest. isn't that what our fore parents fight was for our right of freedom and free from foreign oppression! NOW what, what ashame!

we need to plan the new seed of life into future generations of Filipinos that is free of the destructive culture mentality of Philippines. we must rid of the mentality of those who come abroad, wanting to forget who they are and teach them correctly. teach those that are born away from their homeland to look back and know who they are be comfortable with whom they are and not to be ashamed of their roots. most of all teach each of them to love pass thier family and love their country.

i know tacking this these problems in Filipino culture is difficult especially of 300+ years and counting of colonial mentality but needs to start somewhere it needs to. beerchug.gif
babelone
QUOTE(mmalungcot @ Jan 19 2008, 03:14 AM) [snapback]3435018[/snapback]
I have an idea that will get this revolution started but I am still figuring out the platform and blueprint of the organization. I'm posting this blog today to network and see who else is out there that feels the same and would like to support me. What are your thoughts on starting an organization based on the belief I described above - changing the mindset of the country through our children.

Full agreement with your statement above, although I am still very uneducated about The Philippines, although I want to increase my understanding of the Tagalog language as well as the culture as this year plays out.

Just an idea, but I had cause to join a Philippines based forum a couple of weeks ago, very similar to AF but focussed on The Philippines alone, as far as I know. I have never posted there as yet, but it maybe a good place to post these briliant ideas as well as here, I hope. It is at:

http://forums.mukamo.com/index.php?

and the few posts I had the chance to read seemed quite sensible, not wishing to detract from AF.

Please excuse me if this is a forum that you are already familiar with. The concept of which you write is something I believe will resonate over the 21st century, while the old 20th century bells will not toll much longer. Please keep us informed of future progress and thanks, Mmalungcot. You're not alone.

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Ralf
The internet is a great platform for open communication and sharing ideas.
I believe that the information revolution is already having a positive change on the "mindset of our children".
Iki
You hit it right on the nail bwoy....

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Subotai
Put your lovely F2H in the lead biggthumpup.gif

You'll start seeing immediate changes icon_wink.gif
Iki
With a dildo on her hand raising it up in front of malacanang screaming "the revolution has started".
babelone
QUOTE(Iki @ Jan 19 2008, 04:09 AM) [snapback]3435238[/snapback]
With a dildo on her hand raising it up in front of malacanang screaming "the revolution has started".

Just so it doesn't get edited out when you're not so bored.
Subotai
QUOTE(Iki @ Jan 19 2008, 03:09 PM) [snapback]3435238[/snapback]
With a dildo on her hand raising it up in front of malacanang screaming "the revolution has started".


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Cheers! beerchug.gif

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Iki
QUOTE(babelone @ Jan 18 2008, 11:14 PM) [snapback]3435251[/snapback]
Just so it doesn't get edited out when you're not so bored.


LOL. im sorry but that was pretty lame what you just did there...
Ralf
The mindset of Japan changed after the war, and prosperity was the result.
babelone
QUOTE(Iki @ Jan 19 2008, 04:17 AM) [snapback]3435260[/snapback]
LOL. im sorry but that was pretty lame what you just did there...

Lame? You're not the type to take no for an answer are you, dildoface?

What was it that I quoted? Who was the lame duck? Ask yourself honestly. It can't be edited now. It's there in writing, so let it be done and non regret.

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Iki
QUOTE(babelone @ Jan 20 2008, 07:37 AM) [snapback]3437864[/snapback]
Lame? You're not the type to take no for an answer are you, dildoface?

What was it that I quoted? Who was the lame duck? Ask yourself honestly. It can't be edited now. It's there in writing, so let it be done and non regret.

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First, this is a cyberspace, if you regret posting harmless texts then you really need to get back to the real world. Second, its a joke... if you take it that seriously thats another reason for you to get back to life... Third, when you reach the level were you are trying to be the post police thats a sign of how lame you are getting.....

"let it be don and non regret" lol..... *shakes head*
Masipag
QUOTE(Ralf @ Jan 20 2008, 08:32 PM) [snapback]3437859[/snapback]
The mindset of Japan changed after the war, and prosperity was the result.


Yea but Japan was already pretty prosperous before the war, so im not sure you can use that argument...
Iki
QUOTE(Masipag @ Jan 20 2008, 03:03 PM) [snapback]3438423[/snapback]
Yea but Japan was already pretty prosperous before the war, so im not sure you can use that argument...


Yeah thats true and we are not at war... thats an odd comparison...
Masipag
and not foreign interest.

I hear this BULL$hit all the time, foreign interest is OUR interest, If we cant create jobs for our people, let foreigners do it!
If our expats and their families arent willing to invest MUTCH more in our nation, we MUST open our borders for a free market system!
flipcombatmedic
QUOTE(Masipag @ Jan 20 2008, 04:06 PM) [snapback]3438432[/snapback]
and not foreign interest.

I hear this BULL$hit all the time, foreign interest is OUR interest, If we cant create jobs for our people, let foreigners do it!
If our expats and their families arent willing to invest MUTCH more in our nation, we MUST open our borders for a free market system!

i agree with your pragmatism, although you could add a bit more to the smooth the argument.

i like the idealism of this thread...but i mean i hear alot of this talk and thinking of thoughts. and it's great...but it's almost as far as its goes. actions even without words are tenfolds better. even without exposure, well thought and well organized drive to push progress, social, economic, and political, in forms of petitions, projects etc that physically promote change is goes farther.

i salute kababayan out there with little programs who although do not have internet or media exposure, are changing their communities.

*promo
QUOTE(Masipag @ Jan 20 2008, 12:06 PM) [snapback]3438432[/snapback]
and not foreign interest.

I hear this BULL$hit all the time, foreign interest is OUR interest, If we cant create jobs for our people, let foreigners do it!
If our expats and their families arent willing to invest MUTCH more in our nation, we MUST open our borders for a free market system!


this article alone explains why! Philippines and Filipinos need to mature. stop being a child looking cuddle up with another nation so you don't have to work.

thanks for caring for one another. Talktohand.gif

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getrealphilippines
Worried about racial discrimination when travelling overseas? Try to evaluate your current standing in your own country. Just by virtue of your regional accent, skin tone, alma mater, and even height, you are discriminated against in your own country.

In the presence of foreigners, we Filipinos are often reduced to sheepishly-smiling and highly-accommodating buffoons. No wonder we are touted as a friendly and hospitable people. With the proper attitude and flair, most foreigners can make their way into any Philippine society clique, gain access through any security measure, and secure limelight space in Philippine showbiz – generally schmooze their way into the hearts of the political and social elite of the country. For us, mere association with one of them is a validation of our place in our own society. Imelda Marcos was the most famous embodiment of this trait.

With the amount of preferential treatment that is given to foreigners in this country, we are lucky that we haven’t yet found ourselves hosts to a new generation of foreign carpetbaggers and opportunists. Yet foreigners get better service at restaurants and banks and are given serious consideration when they raise a stink about anything. Among ourselves, however, complaining about bad service, raising relevant issues, or even standing up for certain principles in a serious manner goes against every principle of our ‘pakikisama’ mentality and general apathetic disposition.
*promo
QUOTE(babelone @ Jan 18 2008, 07:31 PM) [snapback]3435087[/snapback]
Full agreement with your statement above, although I am still very uneducated about The Philippines, although I want to increase my understanding of the Tagalog language as well as the culture as this year plays out.

Just an idea, but I had cause to join a Philippines based forum a couple of weeks ago, very similar to AF but focussed on The Philippines alone, as far as I know. I have never posted there as yet, but it maybe a good place to post these briliant ideas as well as here, I hope. It is at:

http://forums.mukamo.com/index.php?

and the few posts I had the chance to read seemed quite sensible, not wishing to detract from AF.

Please excuse me if this is a forum that you are already familiar with. The concept of which you write is something I believe will resonate over the 21st century, while the old 20th century bells will not toll much longer. Please keep us informed of future progress and thanks, Mmalungcot. You're not alone.

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i remember you from that place....


and all can say for that place is its doomed. icon_neutral.gif
Masipag
QUOTE(*promo @ Jan 21 2008, 04:28 AM) [snapback]3438473[/snapback]
this article alone explains why! Philippines and Filipinos need to mature. stop being a child looking cuddle up with another nation so you don't have to work.

thanks for caring for one another. Talktohand.gif


Promo
you should stop your bull$hit!
Free market system is not "cuddling" up to another nation, what made you think that?

Dont have to work?
READ! I am talking about CREATING MORE WORK!

That whole article is completely misplaced!
I am caring for my fellow filipino SIMPLY by advertising "free market system"
*promo
QUOTE(Masipag @ Jan 20 2008, 01:33 PM) [snapback]3438532[/snapback]
Promo
you should stop your bull$hit!
Free market system is not "cuddling" up to another nation, what made you think that?

Dont have to work?
READ! I am talking about CREATING MORE WORK!

That whole article is completely misplaced!
I am caring for my fellow filipino SIMPLY by advertising "free market system"


oh please, i understand about free market. but the thing is Filipinos don't. they don't understand that market in Philippines should and all ways be in their favor not the other way around. Korean shouldn't be able to have signs that are racist against Filipinos. the Chinese shouldn't be able to only trade with themselves and only take money out of the country economy.... understand.
just face it, that Filipinos now will sell out there own as long as their family is good. who care about the country's welfare? right? why should GMA make spanish a national language for a couple of books? who in favor of that deal? why should some damn local governent official erect a statue of japanese bomber in order to attract Japaneses tourist. forgot about our wounds right. lets open up those old wounds and rub salt over it. fu-k the leyte gulf war or those Malaya lolas and the Filipinos-American soldiers that came to aid their fellow Filipinos then.

why are you so against Filipinos that want other Filipinos to stand on their own to feet.

you think that article is bull$hit? please it true to the point and face it hurts, right.

FILIPINOS ARE NOT WORKING FOR THEIR COUNTRY BUT FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAIN.

Filipinos need discipline!


speedyg0nzalez2
QUOTE(*promo @ Jan 21 2008, 06:06 AM) [snapback]3438583[/snapback]
oh please, i understand about free market. but the thing is Filipinos don't. they don't understand that market in Philippines should and all ways be in their favor not the other way around. Korean shouldn't be able to have signs that are racist against Filipinos. the Chinese shouldn't be able to only trade with themselves and only take money out of the country economy.... understand.
just face it, that Filipinos now will sell out there own as long as their family is good. who care about the country's welfare? right? why should GMA make spanish a national language for a couple of books? who in favor of that deal? why should some damn local governent official erect a statue of japanese bomber in order to attract Japaneses tourist. forgot about our wounds right. lets open up those old wounds and rub salt over it. fu-k the leyte gulf war or those Malaya lolas and the Filipinos-American soldiers that came to aid their fellow Filipinos then.

why are you so against Filipinos that want other Filipinos to stand on their own to feet.

you think that article is bull$hit? please it true to the point and face it hurts, right.

FILIPINOS ARE NOT WORKING FOR THEIR COUNTRY BUT FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAIN.

Filipinos need discipline!


really??
and where did they erected the statue....

I'm not even familiar with that
Iki
QUOTE(Masipag @ Jan 20 2008, 04:33 PM) [snapback]3438532[/snapback]
Promo
you should stop your bull$hit!
Free market system is not "cuddling" up to another nation, what made you think that?

Dont have to work?
READ! I am talking about CREATING MORE WORK!

That whole article is completely misplaced!
I am caring for my fellow filipino SIMPLY by advertising "free market system"



Fuk that "free market system" bullsh1t. You are just opening up a way for greedy foreigners to take advantage of us. Next thing you know you will have endless foreign ownerships then you will have foreign influence on politics. Its already bad enough right now, adding that will make corruption even worse.

So no, that is not the solution to the problem.
*promo
QUOTE(speedyg0nzalez2 @ Jan 20 2008, 03:02 PM) [snapback]3438636[/snapback]
really??
and where did they erected the statue....

I'm not even familiar with that



its your fav bud http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...=128899&hl= biggthumpup.gif
Iki
QUOTE(*promo @ Jan 20 2008, 05:06 PM) [snapback]3438583[/snapback]
why should some damn local governent official erect a statue of japanese bomber in order to attract Japaneses tourist. forgot about our wounds right. lets open up those old wounds and rub salt over it. fu-k the leyte gulf war or those Malaya lolas and the Filipinos-American soldiers that came to aid their fellow Filipinos then.



R u for real???. Do you have a link to that story??. maybe its not to attract japanese tourist but to remember our history.... but then again philippines are usually far from being logical...
*promo
look up
Iki
I dont see no link about that japanese statue...
Torete_ako_sa_yo
QUOTE(mmalungcot @ Jan 18 2008, 10:14 PM) [snapback]3435018[/snapback]
I believe that CHANGE begins with our children. They are the leaders of our future - the Philippine's future. They are the leaders who can begin a new revolution to change the way so many Filipinos think. The MINDSET needs to CHANGE... And once that mindset begins to change, we begin our journey to peace and prosperity.
But right now, the mindset of the people saddens me. I see complete hopelessness. I hear a lot of complaints about the economy and the government but see no action or initiative among the people. Why do we just let the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich? When someone asks why the Philippines is like this, why do we just say "that's just the way it is and there's nothing we can do about it."

Of course there is!

I have hope and I believe that things WILL get better. And it will begin by teaching our children how to be leaders, communicators, and innovators. Their mindset will NOT be filled with hopelessness but it will be embodied by pure faith, passion, and hope. They WILL take action and not just complain. They WILL think out of the box and figure out solutions to help poverty and sickness. They WILL challenge the policies of the government if there is no justice. They WILL have passion for the Philippines and passion to create change for the better. And these young leaders will teach this same exact mentality to their children, and then they will teach it to their children, and so on and so forth, until one day, we have a country that is strong and filled with opportunity.

Although this may take decades, I truly believe this is a solution that will get us out of corruption and poverty.

I have an idea that will get this revolution started but I am still figuring out the platform and blueprint of the organization. I'm posting this blog today to network and see who else is out there that feels the same and would like to support me. What are your thoughts on starting an organization based on the belief I described above - changing the mindset of the country through our children.

The answer has always been education. The Philippines is in the wrong track in education. Though some of the private sector is holding its own, it is also deteriorating. The public school system is broken, and it only perpetuates poverty. Invest more in education, making it more efficient, and practical, and it will pay off handsomely in 30 years or so.

It is very important that Philippine Standards for Education gradually increase every year. We don't have to throw lots of money to fix the problem, we just need to annually set realistic goals that make our performance this year be better than last year's, and so on, and so forth. We simply need to keep getting better and better and better and better and never ever let our education system stagnate.

Also, I suggest the government should also have free Enterprenuership training open to the public - they could offer certificates of attendances which could help Filipino businessmen acquire better loans to start their small business'. These training facilities must have good standards or else the idea will simply fall apart.



Where do we get the revenues? My suggestion is to eliminate the law that says companies have to be 60% Filipino owned to operate in the Philippines - thats the free Market approach. Replace it with a law that says companies that are more than 50% Filipino owned have to pay higher taxes.
This will allow more foreign companies to invest in the Philippines, which also means more jobs(thus more taxes), however these companies will have to pay higher taxes. See, some companies are afraid of investing in the Philippines because they have to be 60% Filipino owned which makes it impossible for them to move with complete discretion.
sitataymo
QUOTE(Iki @ Jan 20 2008, 06:48 PM) [snapback]3438702[/snapback]
I dont see no link about that japanese statue...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...05/ixworld.html deal.gif
Torete_ako_sa_yo
QUOTE(Iki @ Jan 20 2008, 06:48 PM) [snapback]3438702[/snapback]
I dont see no link about that japanese statue...

Its a f-king disgrace. I don't believe in terrorism but I'll bomb that sh--ty statue to peices.
I f-king will.
speedyg0nzalez2
HERES THE LINK:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...05/ixworld.html

Btw, I don't favor the japanese
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Iki
wow thats fuked up.... this is another reason why our country is just sh*t, when money is involve people just lay down and throw their honour out the window... its kinda sad how they made that statue look like a heroe...
Masipag
QUOTE(*promo @ Jan 21 2008, 06:06 AM) [snapback]3438583[/snapback]
oh please, i understand about free market. but the thing is Filipinos don't. they don't understand that market in Philippines should and all ways be in their favor not the other way around. Korean shouldn't be able to have signs that are racist against Filipinos. the Chinese shouldn't be able to only trade with themselves and only take money out of the country economy.... understand.
just face it, that Filipinos now will sell out there own as long as their family is good. who care about the country's welfare? right? why should GMA make spanish a national language for a couple of books? who in favor of that deal? why should some damn local governent official erect a statue of japanese bomber in order to attract Japaneses tourist. forgot about our wounds right. lets open up those old wounds and rub salt over it. fu-k the leyte gulf war or those Malaya lolas and the Filipinos-American soldiers that came to aid their fellow Filipinos then.

why are you so against Filipinos that want other Filipinos to stand on their own to feet.

you think that article is bull$hit? please it true to the point and face it hurts, right.

FILIPINOS ARE NOT WORKING FOR THEIR COUNTRY BUT FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAIN.

Filipinos need discipline!


why are you so against Filipinos that want other Filipinos to stand on their own to feet.
I am not against that, but before we can stand on our own feet we need money! To get money we need jobs, witch foreign companies can provide! Exploit us? What are you talking about? We gain something, and they gain something, its a win win situation!

What the fu-k does that statue have to do with free market? That Japanese bomber is a disgrace, yes nothing to do with free market systems, just look at hong kong and how well they are doing it! I Have nothing against putting a bit of japanese culture here in Pinas, Japanese gardens, technology, anime/telenovelas ect ect but a japanese bomber is overboard..

Korean shouldn't be able to have signs that are racist against Filipinos. the Chinese shouldn't be able to only trade with themselves and only take money out of the country economy.... understand.
And Filipinos shouldnt be be able to have signs that are racists against koreans (or any other nationality) it goes both ways, and has yet again NOTHING to do with a free market system, but how our anti segregation laws are "working."

promo you are trying to bring in topics that cannot be connected with a free market system! I know our protectionist laws can work, but it will not if our people are not educated enough to understand it (again lack of capital to sind our young ones to school)
Masipag
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jan 21 2008, 07:58 AM) [snapback]3438730[/snapback]
Its a f-king disgrace. I don't believe in terrorism but I'll bomb that sh--ty statue to peices.
I f-king will.


When you say stuff like that you make filipinos look bad!
Bombing it is the wrong way to handle that statue! BUT we simply must do something! Just as long as its according to law, we must set a good example for our young ones..

btw werent Filipinos the first ever kamikaze? im almost a 100% sure ive read that in a book somewhere..
Masipag
QUOTE(Iki @ Jan 21 2008, 07:18 AM) [snapback]3438657[/snapback]
Fuk that "free market system" bullsh1t. You are just opening up a way for greedy foreigners to take advantage of us. Next thing you know you will have endless foreign ownerships then you will have foreign influence on politics. Its already bad enough right now, adding that will make corruption even worse.

So no, that is not the solution to the problem.


hahaha
i will not even dignify that reply with more than this:

YOU ARE A fu-kING IDIOT!
Iki
QUOTE(Masipag @ Jan 21 2008, 12:43 PM) [snapback]3440355[/snapback]
hahaha
i will not even dignify that reply with more than this:

YOU ARE A fu-kING IDIOT!


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Torete_ako_sa_yo
QUOTE(Masipag @ Jan 21 2008, 12:40 PM) [snapback]3440352[/snapback]
When you say stuff like that you make filipinos look bad!
Bombing it is the wrong way to handle that statue! BUT we simply must do something! Just as long as its according to law, we must set a good example for our young ones..

I'm a good Filipino. I don't break laws. But a Kamikaze pilot statue is just disgusting.
They were so desparate for that highway that they sold their dignity. I don't believe that sets a good example for the young ones.
Now, I don't believe bombing Marcos' bust was necessary, but I believe elliminating this abomination in our soil is.
Masipag
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jan 22 2008, 03:35 AM) [snapback]3440498[/snapback]
I'm a good Filipino. I don't break laws. But a Kamikaze pilot statue is just disgusting.
They were so desparate for that highway that they sold their dignity. I don't believe that sets a good example for the young ones.
Now, I don't believe bombing Marcos' bust was necessary, but I believe elliminating this abomination in our soil is.


Oh but terrorism does?
Come on, ive always thought of you as a decent filipino, but you start talking about bombing it, thats (with your own words..) disgusting!

whats weird is, i know a couple of japanese, and they actually say many japanese are somewhat disgusted by statues (or other things) that remind them of the past, yes promote turism, but i really dont think this is the right way.
Torete_ako_sa_yo
QUOTE(Masipag @ Jan 21 2008, 04:19 PM) [snapback]3440616[/snapback]
Oh but terrorism does?
Come on, ive always thought of you as a decent filipino, but you start talking about bombing it, thats (with your own words..) disgusting!

whats weird is, i know a couple of japanese, and they actually say many japanese are somewhat disgusted by statues (or other things) that remind them of the past, yes promote turism, but i really dont think this is the right way.

Yeah, maybe not bomb it. Deface it, denigrate it, decapitate it. I don't know. It's so wrong, imagine if that sh=t was in China, there'd be a crazy riot. I'm fine with MacArthur's statue, or even Legaspi's, the Magellan monument, or even Marcos' bust - but that's just an abomination.
Iki
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jan 21 2008, 04:26 PM) [snapback]3440624[/snapback]
Yeah, maybe not bomb it. Deface it, denigrate it, decapitate it. I don't know. It's so wrong, imagine if that sh=t was in China, there'd be a crazy riot. I'm fine with MacArthur's statue, or even Legaspi's, the Magellan monument, or even Marcos' bust - but that's just an abomination.


Is there something wrong with macarthur or magellans monuments?
Masipag
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jan 22 2008, 05:26 AM) [snapback]3440624[/snapback]
Yeah, maybe not bomb it. Deface it, denigrate it, decapitate it. I don't know. It's so wrong, imagine if that sh=t was in China, there'd be a crazy riot. I'm fine with MacArthur's statue, or even Legaspi's, the Magellan monument, or even Marcos' bust - but that's just an abomination.


huh so even a good filipino can resort to barbaric means? Why decapitate it, and ect ect
Why not just get the thing demolished by their own hands? Start rallys and protest against it, hand out fliers and make websites!
Get japanese from Japan to join your protest! There are so many good and decent ways to show your opinion, why disgrace yourself by resorting to terrorism?

Hey im not fine with MacArthur's statue but i aint going around whispering in corners to get it bombed...
Iki
Are you a retard?. If it werent for macarthur, philippines would be a slave country of japan...
speedyg0nzalez2
QUOTE(Iki @ Jan 22 2008, 05:29 AM) [snapback]3440633[/snapback]
Is there something wrong with macarthur or magellans monuments?


magelan's monument is fine with me...
Magellan's Cross is the Official Logo of Cebu City
speedyg0nzalez2
QUOTE(Iki @ Jan 22 2008, 05:39 AM) [snapback]3440651[/snapback]
Are you a retard?. If it werent for macarthur, philippines would be a slave country of japan...


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Torete_ako_sa_yo
QUOTE(Iki @ Jan 21 2008, 04:39 PM) [snapback]3440651[/snapback]
Are you a retard?. If it werent for macarthur, philippines would be a slave country of japan...

His dad did many unspeakable attrocities in the Philippines. Omg, I'm opening more debates.

The Magellan monument is right next to the Lapu-lapu statue. Kinda funny how that turned out. The monument was made by the Spaniards during the colonization, Lapu-lapu statue was erected in the recent years. The Monument is not the Magellans Cross.
Iki
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His dad did many unspeakable attrocities in the Philippines. Omg, I'm opening more debates.

The Magellan monument is right next to the Lapu-lapu statue. Kinda funny how that turned out. The monument was made by the Spaniards during the colonization, Lapu-lapu statue was erected in the recent years. The Monument is not the Magellans Cross.


So why should he be critisized for what his dad did to the philippines?. His actions not his dad's change who we are today. If Macarthur said "fuk it, let these fukers handle that on their own", we would probably be called japan.

Magellan is an explorer not a warrior. If it werent for magellan there wouldnt be no philippines. He was the first european to ever set foot in the philippines which opened the oppurtunity for spanish colonation and if it werent for that, the islands wouldnt be consolidated and philippines wouldnt exist, even the word phillipines came from spain. So its not just lapu lapu that should be considered our hero.
Torete_ako_sa_yo
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So why should he be critisized for what his dad did to the philippines?. His actions not his dad's change who we are today. If Macarthur said "fuk it, let these fukers handle that on their own", we would probably be called japan.

Magellan is an explorer not a warrior. If it werent for magellan there wouldnt be no philippines. He was the first european to ever set foot in the philippines which opened the oppurtunity for spanish colonation and if it werent for that, the islands wouldnt be consolidated and philippines wouldnt exist, even the word phillipines came from spain. So its not just lapu lapu that should be considered our hero.

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Iki
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So why would say that you were "fine" with his statue implying that there is some sort of discomfort around the subject?.
Ralf
Perhaps we could have a kind of cultural and arts movement in the Philippines to engage people in thinking about the future. After the death of the dictator Franco, Spain benefitted from La Movida. It was a wave of cultural optimism, encompassing freedom of the media, arts, music and commerce, which spread from the affluent cities to the poorer rural areas, and invigorated the whole country. Such a "renaissance" would be great for the Philippines.
What do you think ?
*promo
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why are you so against Filipinos that want other Filipinos to stand on their own to feet.
I am not against that, but before we can stand on our own feet we need money! To get money we need jobs, witch foreign companies can provide! Exploit us? What are you talking about? We gain something, and they gain something, its a win win situation!

What the fu-k does that statue have to do with free market? That Japanese bomber is a disgrace, yes nothing to do with free market systems, just look at hong kong and how well they are doing it! I Have nothing against putting a bit of japanese culture here in Pinas, Japanese gardens, technology, anime/telenovelas ect ect but a japanese bomber is overboard..

Korean shouldn't be able to have signs that are racist against Filipinos. the Chinese shouldn't be able to only trade with themselves and only take money out of the country economy.... understand.
And Filipinos shouldnt be be able to have signs that are racists against koreans (or any other nationality) it goes both ways, and has yet again NOTHING to do with a free market system, but how our anti segregation laws are "working."

promo you are trying to bring in topics that cannot be connected with a free market system! I know our protectionist laws can work, but it will not if our people are not educated enough to understand it (again lack of capital to sind our young ones to school)



first of all the topic is Changing the mindset of our country NOT free market system.


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