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bami

A Japanese couple re-visited birthplace ( ancient Wu region of China ) of Kimono in present day 蘇州 Suzhou city of Jiangsu province in China, note they both wore Kimono 和服 or Gofuku 呉服 ( literally translated as "Costume of Wu" ) to symbolized this trip.

http://www.iokikai.or.jp/kaigairyokou.sosyuu.html

* Japanese dictionary source acknowledged its Chinese origin

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/search.php?MT=...&kwassist=0






bami

I recently read an article on this subject in one college academic journal of East Asia Studies.I want to share some details here.

Wang Xiao Fu of the Beijing University found out that the name of Nippon was actually enfeoffed to Japan by Chinese Empress Wu ZeTian ( 武则天 ) in the seventh mission in 701 AD, not the sixth mission in 669. The reason is that the Tong Dian recorded the date to be 701, while the version in 舊唐書 ( old Tang history chronicle ) was ambiguous.It stated that Japan came to the Tang Court to congradulate the pacification of Koguryo in the sixth mission, and afterwards,Empress Wu enfoeffed the title of Japan. Therefore, the date of the enfeoffment is most probably 701 AD and not 670 AD as traditionally thought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian

China's Tang Court didn't actually create the name for Japan. Japan proposed what it wanted to be called, and its up to Tang to grant that permission.

The Chinese Wu dialect word for Nihon sounded something like "Zeppen" (modern Shanghainese still pronounces Nihon that way).

The international system of East Asia at that time was centered around the Tang Court at Da Ming Palace.( similar to the modern UN ) States in the tributary system were either enfeoffed or renamed after they propose what they want to be referred as.When Korea's Koryo Kingdom wanted to be successor of the ancient collapsed Koguryo, it was accepted by the Chinese Imperial Court, but when Vietnam wanted to be referred to as Nan Yue during the Qing Dynasty, it was turned down.This enfeoffment doesn't change how these states called themselves, but in relationship to other states that were under the tributary system, they needed the investiture of the Chinese Imperial Court.

According to Chinese sources.In 608,it was Japanese Empress Suiko 推古天皇 wrote a letter to Chinese Emperor Sui Yangdi 隋煬帝 referring to herself as " Emperor of Heaven of the Land where the Sun Rises 日出處天子".So, it seems that the Japanese perception of themselves as living in the " land of the origin of the sun " was already around at that time.



bami

I recently read an article on this subject in one college academic journal of East Asia Studies.I want to share some details here.

Wang Xiao Fu of the Beijing University found out that the name of Nippon was actually enfeoffed to Japan by Chinese Empress Wu ZeTian ( 武则天 ) in the seventh mission in 701 AD, not the sixth mission in 669. The reason is that the Tong Dian recorded the date to be 701, while the version in 舊唐書 ( old Tang history chronicle ) was ambiguous.It stated that Japan came to the Tang Court to congradulate the pacification of Koguryo in the sixth mission, and afterwards,Empress Wu enfoeffed the title of Japan. Therefore, the date of the enfeoffment is most probably 701 AD and not 670 AD as traditionally thought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian

China's Tang Court didn't actually create the name for Japan. Japan proposed what it wanted to be called, and its up to Tang to grant that permission.

The Chinese Wu dialect word for Nihon sounded something like "Zeppen" (modern Shanghainese still pronounces Nihon that way).

The international system of East Asia at that time was centered around the Tang Court at Da Ming Palace.( similar to the modern UN ) States in the tributary system were either enfeoffed or renamed after they propose what they want to be referred as.When Korea's Koryo Kingdom wanted to be successor of the ancient collapsed Koguryo, it was accepted by the Chinese Imperial Court, but when Vietnam wanted to be referred to as Nan Yue during the Qing Dynasty, it was turned down.This enfeoffment doesn't change how these states called themselves, but in relationship to other states that were under the tributary system, they needed the investiture of the Chinese Imperial Court.

According to Chinese sources.In 608,it was Japanese Empress Suiko 推古天皇 wrote a letter to Chinese Emperor Sui Yangdi 隋煬帝 referring to herself as " Emperor of Heaven of the Land where the Sun Rises 日出處天子".So, it seems that the Japanese perception of themselves as living in the " land of the origin of the sun " was already around at that time.



tutudelai
but ancient chinese has not much to do with today's chinese . today's chinese are all manchurised .

They had mutated into another speices .

Today's CHinese =/= ancient Han people of China
progen
QUOTE(tutudelai @ Jan 23 2008, 08:00 PM) [snapback]3445912[/snapback]
but ancient chinese has not much to do with today's chinese . today's chinese are all manchurised .

They had mutated into another speices .

Today's CHinese =/= ancient Han people of China


Dumbest thing that I ever heard, I hate to say it.

krnfirebat
This guy has a thing for trying to say Japanese are the descendants of Chinese.

He also claims that Japanese have no Korean relations

He used chinahistoryforum as his "evidence"

He also thinks that Japanese are some form of superior race or cultural identity
tutudelai
QUOTE(krnfirebat @ Jan 24 2008, 02:22 AM) [snapback]3446921[/snapback]
This guy has a thing for trying to say Japanese are the descendants of Chinese.

He also claims that Japanese have no Korean relations

He used chinahistoryforum as his "evidence"

He also thinks that Japanese are some form of superior race or cultural identity


All you wimp should stop dwell in here and kizz azz , you dont have to kizz azz as somewhat relate japan to strngthen your self-abased soul , all you need to do is built up some diginity and work your azz off to create a nation as refined prosper and rich as Japan .

All the wimp who here try to connect themselvs as somewhat related to japan is azz kizzed and loser . who is really worthy of contempt .
Chi73
QUOTE(tutudelai @ Jan 24 2008, 10:16 PM) [snapback]3448685[/snapback]
All you wimp should stop dwell in here and kizz azz , you dont have to kizz azz as somewhat relate japan to strngthen your self-abased soul , all you need to do is built up some diginity and work your azz off to create a nation as refined prosper and rich as Japan .

All the wimp who here try to connect themselvs as somewhat related to japan is azz kizzed and loser . who is really worthy of contempt .

WTF does the Japanese has to do with Chinese culture!!!
tutudelai
QUOTE(Chi73 @ Jan 25 2008, 09:56 PM) [snapback]3450965[/snapback]
WTF does the Japanese has to do with Chinese culture!!!


Even it has anything to , it is called culture exchange , it is nature in every nation .
But somebody used that to brag about their "closeness" to Japan had reveal how self-abased they really are when confronting
Japanese
Chi73
QUOTE(tutudelai @ Jan 26 2008, 12:12 AM) [snapback]3451242[/snapback]
Even it has anything to , it is called culture exchange , it is nature in every nation .
But somebody used that to brag about their "closeness" to Japan had reveal how self-abased they really are when confronting
Japanese


That's not forget the rape of Nanking!!
mikekk86
QUOTE(Chi73 @ Jan 26 2008, 01:35 PM) [snapback]3452041[/snapback]
That's not forget the rape of Nanking!!

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esin
Japanese don't wanna be friends with no one period. very very simple. War is the everyday life are role of the warrior ants. So it is as it applies to the role of Japanese, in a way all they care about is this "co-asia-prosperity" scheme and plunder and slaughter is all the result. These mad schemes are only a norm in Japanese culture. Its their custom. Its their religon. And their God demands sacrafice in blood. And the Japanese willingly abide, no questions asked. The brain of a Japanese is already preprogramed because they are that way and will never change.
mikekk86
QUOTE(esin @ Jan 26 2008, 07:24 PM) [snapback]3452688[/snapback]
Japanese don't wanna be friends with no one period. very very simple. War is the everyday life are role of the warrior ants. So it is as it applies to the role of Japanese, in a way all they care about is this "co-asia-prosperity" scheme and plunder and slaughter is all the result. These mad schemes are only a norm in Japanese culture. Its their custom. Its their religon. And their God demands sacrafice in blood. And the Japanese willingly abide, no questions asked. The brain of a Japanese is already preprogramed because they are that way and will never change.


Another brainwashed newbie posts something lame on the Japanese forums.
esin
You call this brainwash and propaganda?? Then tell me whats those postings by Japanese natives on youtube and 2chan. Thats evidence, and enough of them to represent majority Japanese opinion. That is proof and a fact. I did not make them up.
mikekk86
QUOTE(esin @ Jan 26 2008, 08:17 PM) [snapback]3452766[/snapback]
You call this brainwash and propaganda?? Then tell me whats those postings by Japanese natives on youtube and 2chan. Thats evidence, and enough of them to represent majority Japanese opinion. That is proof and a fact. I did not make them up.

It's called a fallacy. And most people have enough common sense to know that it's the extremists who are passionate about their crazy ramblings enough to post it on places like YouTube and it's hotheads like you who are almost as bad as they are for hating a whole group of people based off youtube and 2chan. There must be something better for you to do than reply to almost every Japanese topic in the forums and go off to bash Japanese. You continue to do that, you're no better than extremists and your nothing but a troll. Peace out, and don't get all double question mark over this...it's pretty much not worth it.
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