who would win in a team battle that features only character from dragon ball z and marvel and DC

dragon ball z: songoku, vegeta, gohan, trunk, piccolo

marvel: spiderman, hulk, dare devil, f4 (invisible woman, thing,etc), silver surfer, x-men

DC: superman, batman, flash, wonderwoman

remember highest level in dragon ballz is songoku with super saiyan 3.

to add further, superman has unlimited power and hulk has unlimited strength.

What about fusion? Like Vegetto and Gogeta? Oh, and Ultimate Gohan (when he had his full potential released by Elder Supreme Kai) is roughly SS3 Goku's equivalent.

As for Goku fairing against Superman...he could probably defeat modern age Superman, but Silver Age Superman would give him a run for his money. Silver Age Superman can move planets, fly faster than the speed of light, and time travel, among other things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_ab...ies_of_Superman

Goku vs The Hulk would have to be dependent on Hulk's rage levels. So far there are no known limits to the Hulk's strength. The Hulk has lifted a 150 billion ton mountain range (with some leverage); destroyed asteroids twice the size of Earth with one punch; break out of Superman's grip and toss him into space in a crossover comic; withstood 1,000,000 degrees Farenheit nova blasts from the Human Torch (which was powered by a lightning bolt from Storm); can cross 1,000 miles in one leap, and jump into a low-Earth orbit, and various other superhuman feats of strength and durability. Hell, just recently he kicked the @$$ out of a crapload of superheroes in the World War Hulk comics; at one point his rage had risen to the point where his mere footsteps threatened to cause the entire east coast of the United States to sink into the ocean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_ab...ies_of_the_Hulk

Then again, blowing up planets and wiping out entire galaxies is quite the norm in the DBZ universe.

....all this made me sound like a freakin' comic book geek. Honestly, I haven't read a Marvel or DC comic in some time, though I should. I miss comics. ;_;

although the fusion of vegetto and gogetta are strong but it is not reliable in a matchup since they have their limit.

with super goku super saiyan 3, he is probably at the highest level in all of dragon ball z (i don't count db gt).

and yes the matchup of goku vs superman will be the most interesting.

if you include silver superman, then i must say goku in GT would easily kick win.

remember goku can transport to another planet in an instant, that is wayyyy faster than the speed of light.

i would say about 100000x faster than speed of light.

God damn, how do you know all of that!?

when i was young, i read a lot of marvel comic, dc comic, playing video game, and watch dragon ball anime

That's all I ever really use Wikipedia for. Random info and facts, especially about comics and superheroes.

Oh, and I'm a huge DBZ fan.



Keep in mind that Ultimate Gohan can easily beat Super Boo (before Boo absorbed Piccolo and SS3 Gotenks) without even going Super Saiyan.

The Dragonball characters are as stong as anyother super Hero

but DBZ DB GT will kick anybody @$$ with ease

GT, yes. But DBZ would have some competition with the likes of Superman and the Hulk.

Also, the Marvel and DC universe have a crapload of cosmic entities capable of destroying the universe single-handedly, i.e. Galactus, Eternity, Death, Anti-Monitor, Living Tribunal, The Presence, The Beyonder, etc.

Marvel Cosmic Entities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entiti...arvel_Comics%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marve...cosmic_entities


DC Cosmic Entities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entities_%28DC_Comics%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dc_cosmic_entities

boy could the hulk or superman destroy a planet with a single attack ?

DBZ anyday.........

Actually yes. I already stated the Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth with one punch, and at one point his very footsteps almost caused the entire planet to collapse.

how is that possible?

the hulk can't fly, although he has a huge jump fly but no way he can jump all the way to the asteroid travel at light speed to destroy it.

this is fishy.

in DC, everything is sooo overuse like superman can hold the black hole, that is impossible.

by scientific theory, nothing can escape the black hole even light.

in dragon ball, it makes more senses.

goku can't destroy a planet with his own punch because his mass is tiny compare to the planet.

however by using qi (energy), it is possible to destroy a whole planet.

this theory can be test if we have like a 100xxxxx the power of the atomic bomb, which is possible to blow up the planet.

The Hulk's potential for strength is absolutely limitless. And why should Marvel or DC have to follow any universal laws of nature? It's their disregards for these laws that make their characters superheroes. So what if he didn't reach light speed? I wouldn't be suprised if all he needed to do was wind up his fist while standing still to destroy the asteroid.

And I've said before, they depowered modern age Superman, so it's not like he can hold apart black holes anymore like Silver Age Superman, so it's possible for Goku to defeat that incarnation. By the way, I'm aware of the speed of the Instant Transmission (it's not called "instant" for nothing ) But Silver Age Superman surpasses the speed of light to freakin' time travel, as well as visit different dimensions. Yeah, Goku can instant transmission himself to heaven and hell and the Supreme Kai's homeworld, but I don't think he can time travel with it.

Really, there are characters in the Marvel and DC universe that dwarf the powers of DBZ characters, namely the cosmic entities Such as Galactus, Eternity, Death, The Living Tribunal, The Beyonder, The Presence, The Word, the Spectre, The Endless, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Kismet...the list goes on. Characters like these have the power to manipulate reality to their will, and judge and decide the very workings of the universe. Hell, Galactus, Death, and Eternity represent abstract concepts of the universe brought into physical form. How the hell do you kill something like that, unless you were a cosmic entity yourself? And as I recall, the Supreme Kais (essentially the cosmic entities of the DBZ universe) were weaker than Goku and Vegeta.

By the way, Boo is technically the strongest in the DBZ universe, considering he was a match for SS 3 Goku, and yet he never ran out of energy, whereas Goku did during their final battle, thus prompting the use of a Spirit Bomb.

you seem knowledgeable about these stuffs lol.

maybe technically boo is the strongest in dbz universe, but at goku peak he would have destroy boo easily.

I spend way too much time on Wikipedia. Just trying to catch up on the 40-60 years worth of comic book history that I missed out on. And I love DBZ.

And I doubt it. Goku was probably at his peak during the fight with boo, and they both fought on equal terms. Problem is, he can't stay at his peak for prolonged periods of time, as he hadn't fully mastered super saiyan 3 yet. Goku even admits that Gotenks had more control over the SS3 state than he did. Also, don't forget boo has an unlimited supply of energy, thus he didn't need to take a rest like Goku did. If the battle had carried on any longer, it probably would have resulted in boo winning.

thats the point, if goku would to have master super saiyan 3, he would put boo to rest.

in db gt, goku is able to get up to saiyan 3 with ease but because of super saiyan 3 requires a ton amount of energy, it doesn't last long.

with super saiyan 3, goku increases his strength and body mass tremendously but lose his speed and quickness.

so with that, the best form of super saiyan is level 2 and 4 which goku would goes into battle mode majority of the times.

hey have you watch db gt?

Superman.

Is that what they say in GT (I haven't watched most of it yet)? Because as far as I know, SS3 increases every aspect of Goku's abilities, not just strength and body mass (which to be honest, doesn't look like he's gained any more muscle than he did in SS2). I don't remember any limitations to the form other than it being very draining.



But he never did during the course of DBZ. In GT, of course he'd be able to beat boo in SS3; I mean, Goku was toying with both Cell and Frieza at the same time in hell in his regular base form.



That would really depend on who Goku is battling against.

yes, gt is the last season of dragon ball.

there was rumor to be db af but those were fan madeup.

from the super saiyan description that i read.

in ss3, it increases muscle mass which make goku stronger. but because of all those muscle gain in ss3 form, he loses his quickness and agility.

and in ss3, it drains a lot of energy therefore normally goku would go to saiyan 2, because it was his favorite form and most stable form.

on few occasion, he would heat up to super saiyan 4 like in gt to battle the dragon king.

beyonder from marvel. I haven't watched anime so i'm not sure about that stuff. Check out this place for vids

http://www.stage6.com

I think you're mistaking that for Super Saiyan 3rd Grade form. This was a form used only by Trunks during his first fight with Perfect Form Cell. This form increases strength at the cost of speed and quickly draining you're power. But I'm pretty sure there's no mentioning of SS3 decreasing your speed. It upgrades every aspect of the user with the exception of energy conservation. And Goku hardly ever used SS2 in DBZ. The only times he used it were to fight Vegeta, the inside of boo, and to start off the final battle with boo. The SS form he used the most was regular SS.

And I'm aware of the SS4 form, but even then it took a fusion with SS4 Vegeta to outclass Omega Shenron and a Spirit Bomb to kill him.



Actually there are stronger entities. Eternity, Death, Galactus, the Living Tribunal, and the Celestials to name a few.

i c.

what is the different between super saiyan 3rd grade and super saiyan level 3?

i'm confused at it.

is goku, a ss level 3 or ss 3rd grade?

Goku is capable of going both SS3 and SS 3rd Grade. He discovered SS 3rd Grade when he and Gohan were training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to defeat Cell. However, unlike Trunks, Goku immediately realized the flaws of this form - Though it dramatically increased strength, the increased muscle mass slowed him down way too much, and maintaining the form was draining. Instead, he and Gohan opted to perfect and fully master the original SS form; this way, he could stay in SS form for long periods of time, while still reaching a level of strength and power beyond that of SS 2nd Grade (the form Vegeta used to fight Imperfect Cell 2nd Form) and 3rd Grade. Of course that wasn't enough to defeat Cell, and that's where SS2 Gohan came in.

SS3 is a level beyond that of SS2, tremendously increasing the user's power to heights never seen before in DBZ at the time. The only drawback is that it takes an incredible amount of energy to maintain it. Because of this, Goku's time was shortened on Earth, and soon he had to return back to the afterlife before he could help Goten and Trunks fully perfect the fusion dance (a task he had to leave up to Piccolo). Now in the afterlife, Goku is free of this restraint, as he is not bound by his physical body; he has unlimited energy and is able to maintain SS3 indefinetely. However, when he fought Boo for the last time, he had already been brought back to life by having Elder Supreme Kai sacrifice his own (which had allowed Goku to return to Earth and fight Boo as Vegito, fight inside of Boo, etc.). He soon realized the downfall to this when he attempted to charge back up while Vegeta distracted Boo; since he was now alive, he no longer had the benefit of unlimited energy the afterlife would've given him had he been dead.

Otherwise, SS3 pretty much has no other weaknesses. All attributes of the user are boosted, with no other drawbacks other than high energy consumption. This doesn't mean it's invincible. Boo fused with Gotenks/Piccolo or Ultimate Gohan is more powerful than SS3 Goku, and I would gather that Ultimate Gohan (this is Gohan after his hidden potential was completely brought out by Elder Supreme Kai) is roughly SS3 equivalent.

God I feel like a geek.

SS4 ftw

I didn't like DBGT

It looked like a revisiting of Dragon Ball and a continuation of DBZ - but the SSJ4 just looked dumb

And I got tired of reviving old villains just to put them out in a few seconds - didn't make much sense

I also didn't like how they kept reducing the roles of non-Saiyan characters (sans Bulma since she was always needed for her inventions) - like guys like Piccolo, Krillin, Yamcha and Tien - they had significant roles during the early parts of DBZ but faded away into obscurity or became pacifists or just plain old weaklings

But to stay on topic, I don't think the Marvel characters beyond the Cosmic Beings (Galactus, Surfer, Beyonder, Eternet & Infinity etc.) and the Hulk would stand a chance - a single Saiyan could wipeout half of Marvel and DC's roster combined

But I think Hulk could give even Goku a run for his money as mentioned earlier - I think Hulk is virtually indestructible - it just seems the more he's attacked, the stronger and stronger he gets (like a Saiyan actually)

So yeah, I think Hulk is the only non-cosmic entity who could beat Goku

if no one has said this, Marvel has already acknowledged that Goku is the strongest character.

wow, no links or anything to actually back up your claim?

but the hulk won't lay a figure on goku since he can't fly.

goku can withstand in the air and launch energy qi and hulk would be destroy easily

withstand in the air? lol

anyhow, i think the way goku can beat hulk is to suffocate him by dragging him to outerspace - or not, since goku can't breathe in outerspace

but i forgot to mention the INFINITY GEMS!

i think a Marvel character (or DC) with possession of all 6 gems could win any battle

they virtually become god - they can do anything

not even someone as powerful as goku would last since the infinity gems wielder could hold him powerless

at the end of db gt, when goku absorbs all 7 dragon balls, he is virtually invincible.

he is stronger than a god!

The Hulk has also:








Also, the Sentry can give Goku a run for his money. He was the only superhero on Earth to match Hulk blow-for-blow during the World War Hulk series. He still lost though, but barely. Also, I think the Omega level mutants like Jean Grey, Nate Grey, and Franklin Richards would be a match for any DBZ character.

Yeah but notice I said "God" not just "a god"

As in the most powerful being of all

So Goku who absorbed all 7 would just be on par with a character with all 6 gems in possession

It'd be a stalemate

Betcha he's still no match for the Living Tribunal, who's powers go beyond the Infinity Gems. Also, anyone who possess the Heart of the Universe would be stronger than Goku after he absorbed all 7 Dragonballs. The Heart of the Universe allowed Thanos to defeat even the Living Tribunal; essentially, posessing the Heart of the Universe causes the wielder to become one the universe.

Also, there is the One Above All, essentially the true "God" of the Marvel Universe, higher than even the Living Tribunal, whom he gives commands to.

The same concept exists in the DC Universe, except their "God" is called The Presence, and has been represented by near omnipotent individuals such as the Spectre, the Word, Lucifer Morningstar, and Micheal Demiurgos.

I read it somewhere but I tried googling it but I can't find anything. Guess I was mistaken.

instant teleportation bye bye hulky

DING DONG's magic pocket can swallow them all.

i mean doraemon.

anyway...i'd say dbz, i guess

It could've just been someone at Marvel - the company is so big

If it was one of the head writers or someone of importance like Stan Lee then I'd actually take it into account

But whatever, it could've just been someone's opinion

And no matter how much SaintsLegend types, no body bothers to read

That's what message boards are - nobody reads, everybody just pitches in their useless 2 cents

Can't hurt to try

It's always annoying though

Besides the topic is not even that long - it's only been 2 pages

If it was 20+ pages, I'd understand

Oh, reading is a skill that becomes more valuable as time goes by

None of the non-cosmic Marvel or DC characters you mentioned would stand a chance against DBZ characters. Goku's very first SSJ transformation alone had a power level of 15 million (the average human has a power level of 5) and even Freeza in his weakest form (power level 500,000) could destroy an entire planet with a finger. The later SSJ forms are exponentially more powerful than that (at least in the billions). However, I think the cosmic entities in the DC and Marvel universes might actually be more powerful than the DBZ and DBGT characters.

Either way, the most powerful character in any anime/manga/comic/cartoon/movie/book is most likely Simon from Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann. All of the DBZ/DBGT/DC/Marvel characters combined (cosmic and non-cosmic) probably wouldn't stand a chance against Simon (I kid you not). Anyone who's seen all of Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann should know what I mean.


Ultimate Gohan is indeed stronger than SSJ3 Goku. In the manga, Goku admits that he wouldn't be able to beat Super Buu (the one Gohan pwned with ease) even in SSJ3 form and even with Vegeta's help. Akira Toriyama (the creator of DBZ) also stated in an interview that SSJ3 Goku wasn't any stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.

The final Kid Buu form which Goku fought wasn't any stronger than Super Buu either, but was just more crazy and dangerous. However, the fillers in the anime might give the wrong impression that SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu are more stronger than they actually are.

Back in the days, I remember debating over DBZ quite a lot. It's kinda embarassing looking back now.

This is kinda old, but being a dbz fan, i have to contribute for this:

Goku would win, any day
Several characters from DC and Marvel dont actually have that enormous power; very often they use devices of some sort to power them up; all goku ever used is the senzu beans, the room of spirit and time and some other few things i cant remember now.

If you bring cosmic entities from marvel+dc, you have to bring in dbgt, which would make thing more interesting.

1. NON COSMIC CHARACTERS

Raw strength:
dbz characters are stronger. when dbz characters fight, they normally go to deserts and the sheer impact of their blows landing destroyed mountains;

Speed
The first time kid gohan went to a fight, he couldnt see the moviments (due to sheer speed); He had to learn to feel the movements;
These guys are super fast. SuperMans speed faster than a bullet? try someone faster than a ray of light...
How do you kill a guy if you cant touch (or see) him?
Another clue:
On namek(a planet), vegeta got a dragonball and threw as hard as he could away from him (he jumped into the air to do it)
A guy named Jeyce took flight, grabbed the ball and returned to his take off place..while vegeta was still on the air, looking to where he threw the ball...
(Vegeta simply hopped into the air)

Still, jeyce couldnt land a punch on goku...and goku was as normal as he could, supressing his power as best as he could
dc and marvel guys can be fast too, but they are not that fast while fighting, which dbz guys are.

Willpower
In any case of a stalemate, goku will simply win....because he cannot lose. no matter how you beat and break this guy, he will simply rise to the challenge...
And this has happened countless times in dbz.

Power, Strength, Magic and Related

a) Non cosmic characters (including pre crisis Supes, Hulk and the ish)
Take Superman, the G.O.AT. for example..
Lets cut him some slack and assume he could reach out and touch goku. While he has the power to beat him up, lets face it, Supes isnt a professional brawler..
Goku is from a race where the SOLE thing they do is fight and get stronger
Someone said this somewhere else:
If a guy strong as supes kicked him in the nuts, hed be down..if it was with goku, he would have the instinct to cover his balls...

Take J'oon with his mind abilities for example...

in Babidi saga, babidi could control even the king of the Demons with his magic abilities. All his minions got a boost in power, which was why Vegeta let himself fall into babidi spell. But he wasnt controlled, not even one bit...
And goku is stronger than vegeta any day.

Hulk did destroy meteors twice as big as the earth...Supes took control over a black hole (how in the hell??)

On the Legendary Super Sayan movie, Broly (the legendary guy) kept destroying galaxies with a single flick of a finger (kinda makes hulk look like a woossy)
Goku actually beat the guy with just a punch to his stomach (he was Super Sayan or just regular goku, cant remember well)

I have read ppl saying supes is stronger because he could make time go back; he isnt. Unless he kicked time in the nuts (??!!)
DBZ guys control ki (energy) to all extents you can imagine...And goku is a master on this. I dont mean he can make beams for every imaginable use, but he masters the use of energy.

When Goku fights he normally doesnt shoot his powerful energy beams when in air and the opponent is on the ground, if the opponent can dodge it: it would simply destroy our crappy heart.

When Goku was powering to SSJ3, he was just shouting to summon inner strength but the ENTIRE planet was shaking.
And ultimate Gohan was even stronger than him, on his base form (theoretically, gohan couldnt power up any higher)

Ultimately, everything can be destroyed by energy. I can think of a guy to whom this rule doesnt apply: The Radiant.
But Doomsday beat the heck outta him, physically, so goku could kill him physically too.

Goku can put up insurmountable energy shields, deflecting human torches nova blasts and $hit...Then there is the silver surfer, and Galactus, bringing us to the cosmic guys.
Silver could get through the energy shield, but thats about it. He could try to dematerialize and kill goku from within, but then again, super buu (with SSJ3 Gotenks, Super Piccolo and Ultimate Gohan ) tried that on Vegetto (kinda of, he melted and entered vegetto through his mouth) and it didnt work. Vegetto isolated the guy in just one part of his body and pummeled him.

2. COSMIC CHARACTERS

Bring in the ultimate characters from dc+marvel like Beyonder, Galactus, Imperiex and the like.
To counter that, i bring 4 guys (2 really)
ssj4 Goku, ssj4 Vegeta, ssj4 Gojeta and (theoretically) ssj4 Vegetto.

Okay. from the dbz side, every one can rip apart the ENTIRE universe..manipulate matter and energy to a unknown extent.
As a plus, goku can pull a spirit bomb with energy collected from every living being (and not sentient too, like stars) on the physical universe and others

from the marvel+dc side..ok, almost every guy can do this staff too.
But these guys are not fighters. On a real fight, it wouldnt be a showdown of abilites like rock scissor paper, they would have to actually kill dbz guys with them, a thing they woudnt be able to do. Their only option would be destroying the entire universe with dbz guys in there, but then...

FU-SIO-N-HAAAAA!

And the bigger badass in history would have been born...ssj4 gogeta. He would be able to hold it together no sweat.
And if mastered, their fusion wouldnt have the 15 minutes limitation, and their infinite power would kick everyone @$$ down

And if needed, i could call in goku last known feat: he merged into the dragonballs themselves, so he ......became a god.


One problem with these "ultimate" beings in DC+marvel, which makes them kinda wack is that a good deal of them was beat at some point by a some not-so awesome dude.
someone said darkseid would mop the floor with goku; but doomsday did beat him (omega beams my arse), but The Radiant killed doomsday, and i showed that Goku can kill The Radiant..
All in all, the truth is that only these ultimate beings would stand the slightest chance against all-powerful Son Goku

I think this is the most important point that often gets overlooked in all these "who's stronger" arguments. Lots of fans keep talking about power and speed, but completely overlook spirit and willpower. In real sports, it's the will to keep fighting that matters most, so much so that even a slow tortoise can beat a fast hare if he has the will to never give up... or as Rocky would say it: "But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!"

Although I believe the cosmic beings are more powerful than the DBZ guys, who's to say that Goku can't beat them the same way he beat other guys who were like a thousand times more powerful than him? The Goku at the end of DBZ is at least a billion times more powerful than he was at the start of DB. The cosmic beings on the other hand show no signs of evolution, but they were already that powerful to begin with. Goku had to work his way up, and I'm sure he can do it again if presented with even greater obstacles.

so what is your age now?

remember always keep the child within you, its what saves us from going nuts

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