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2 kinds of Malay

The Fair Malay



The Dark Malay

Suzuka00
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Updated February 19, 2008:

The peopling of the Philippines is a bit better understood than the peopling of Indonesia described in my previous post. At least we know that most of the Philippines was first settled long ago by Negritos.



An Aeta Negrito woman of the Philippines. The Aeta live mostly in Northern Luzon. White Nationalists and Afrocentrists both insist that these folks are Black people, but they are very distant from African Blacks. White people are much closer to Blacks than these Negritos. Genetically, these people resemble the Filipinos they live with.

Their skulls resemble other Australoid types such as Papuans and Aborigines. Genetically, they are classed as Asians. They are part of the Southeast Asian Major Race. Their minor race is known as the Philippines Negrito Race. It includes the Ati, Aeta and, strangely, the Palau of Micronesia.




There is also another Negrito race in the Philippines - the Mamanwa Philippines Negrito Race. The woman and child above are both Mamanwas. The woman has the typical woolly hair, but the baby has the wavy, Veddoid-like hair seen in many Mamanwas.

The Mamanwa are a group of Philippine Negritos from northeastern Mindanao that are very different from all of the rest of the Negritos in the area. They live in Surigao del Sur in northeastern Mindanao, especially near Mount Hilong-Hilong.

They are thought to be the last remains of the original Negritos to move into the Philippines. There are considerable differences in stature and blood proteins between the Mamanwas and the other Negritos, and they may represent separate migrations.

Excellent photos of modern-day Mamanwas, a group of only 5,000 or so people, can be seen here. I cannot help but notice the resemblance to the Veddoid people of India and Sri Lanka and the Senoi of Malaysia. A few have woolly Negrito hair, but look at how many have the wavy Veddoid hair.

The Mamanwa language seems to be in good shape, judging by the figure that only 7% of the Mamanwa can read and write in their second language. Most Philippine Negrito languages are in bad if not terrible shape; the Mamanwa probably benefit from isolation in the jungle.

Here is a linguistics text on Mamanwa. This called a "text", in this case a "text" of Mamanwa. It means it is a snippet of Mamanwa, with English translation usually written interlineally so we can see not only what the text means, but what the parts of each word mean too, as even the words are divided into morphemes and translated as best they can be.

The text in most primitive groups usually has to do with myths, legends or stories of the ethnic group, rather than stories about day to day behavior. In this case, it is interesting that the Mamanwa, the oldest Negritos on the Philippines, have a story about the time of their ancestors, when the Mamanwa were "like children". I guess this means that the early Mamanwa had not reached a very high level of civilization.

Sometimes these stories seem silly or boring to me, but usually they have a lot of meaning for the group who tells them.



Unlike many other places where the Negritos seem to have died out or transcended to other forms, in the Philippines they still exist in a relatively pristine form, even if they are going extinct, culturally, linguistically and probably racially.

Although some give the Negrito population at as low as 32,000, I say that there are 119,606 Negritos left in the Philippines, most of whom are still speaking Negrito languages, based on my estimate from here. The total Negrito population, including those who have given up on their native languages, is not known. They are found throughout the archipelago in various types.

They long ago lost their original languages and now speak Austronesian languages related to the Austronesian settlers who began arriving 5,000 years ago. Philippine Negritos have bred in heavily with standard-issue Filipinos such that the Negritos are now closer to Filipinos than to any other group.



A Dumagat Negrito woman from northern Luzon with her family. The hair at first looks like the Afro a kinky-haired African can grow, but it is actually woolly and not kinky. Dumagat is a generic name for speakers of many Negrito languages in northern Luzon.



On the other hand, Filipinos do not seem to have much Negrito in them. Genetically, we can see only tiny traces of the original Negritos in the Filipino genome. Similar traces can be seen in Micronesians and probably in Malays and Indonesians. These traces range from .02 to .11% - truly minuscule.

Anthropologically, Filipino skulls look SE Asian. Nor do Filipinos look Negrito. In appearance they resemble other Austronesians like Taiwanese aborigines, Indonesians, Malays and even some Southern Chinese from around Hong Kong.

While Negrito genes look Filipino, Negrito skulls look Australoid, clustering with Aborigines, the Ainu, Tamils, the Sakai of Malaysia, Papuans, Melanesians and Fuegian Amerindians.

The Negritos have long been a small group in the Philippines and the other Filipinos have long dwarfed them. Hence, a small amount of inbreeding quickly produced many Filipino genes in Negritos but few Negrito genes in Filipinos.



A Manobo, possibly an Agusan Manobo, man in traditional dress. Most Manobos today wear Western clothing. Some, like the ones who live near the Mamanwa in Surigao del Sur in northeast Mindanao, live off the forest and are being badly effected by deforestation. The Agusan Manobo have at least 2% Negrito genes, the highest level reported for any non-Negrito Filipino group in the Philippines.

54% of Agusan Manobo can read and write in their native language, which has 60,000 speakers. That is a pretty impressive figure for such an isolated group. A very difficult linguistics paper on Agusan Manobo is available here. It deals with a subfield called discourse analysis, something I never studied and hence don't really understand very well.

It analyzes language at the discourse level - beyond sounds (phonology), parts of words (morphology), words (lexicology), and sentences (syntax). It analyzes narratives and tries to locate patterns and truths about the way that humans use language to make narratives and tell stories. Believe it or not, the rules and patterns of language work at the narrative level too.

The Agusan Manobo allowed husbands to have multiple wives, common in many primitive cultures. This was usually relegated to those men who had the most money. I this tribe, only women can be religious leaders, which is interesting and resembles the Kalash of Pakistan.

The Druze of Lebanon and Israel also have many female religious leaders. I think this is a great idea as I have been worshipping females all my life.



There are some Filipino populations, such as the Manobos, described above, that have a somewhat higher level of Negrito genes, but even that level is very small, around 2%. The Manobos live scattered all through Mindanao, but some of the Agusan Manobo live next to the Mamanwas in Surigao del Sur and clearly there has been some interbreeding.



A cute Dumagat Negrito girl trying to read a book. Looking at her hair and features, she is clearly heavily mixed in with Filipino.



Most Filipinos have few if any Negrito genes. There are some Filipinos with Negrito ancestry, and this is readily observable in their woolly or kinky hair and very dark complexion.



A full-grown Ati woman. The Ati live on Panay Island, where they number about 1,500. Their language is still alive. I actually think she is attractive. She's definitely cute in a child-like way anyway. Note the classical woolly hair of the Philippine Negritos. This is not the same hair as the kinky hair of US Blacks. Other Negritos in the Andaman Islands have peppercorn hair like the Bushmen of Africa.



There are many photos in the older literature of Filipino-Negrito half-breeds and there is probably still some interbreeding going on. There is a lot of discrimination against Negritos in the Philippines.



A photo of a Negrito man, an Ati from Negros Island, from an anthropological text published around 1916. This text had many photos of mixed Negrito-Filipino types. The Ati of Negros have apparently gone extinct.



On Luzon there is a regular festival in honor of the local Negritos. Almost everyone at the festival is a non-Negrito. A few Negritos wander around the crowd begging and are treated with contempt and ridicule by their non-Negrito brethren.



In a sign that the Negritos may be getting treated better in the Philippines, Juliet Chavez, a Dumagat Negrito, recently won a beauty contest. She is not bad looking.



One of my Filipino contacts told me that the best description of the Filipino attitude towards Negritos is that they do not even exist.

The Philippine Negritos are related to the first groups out of Africa 60-70,000 years ago. They left via the Horn of Africa, got on boats and crossed over to Yemen, then went on boats along the Indian Ocean to Iran, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Burma, Malaysia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, the Philippines, New Guinea, Indonesia and Australia.



The journey taken by early man out of Africa 70,000 years ago. It makes the most sense to think that people migrated along the coast, especially in desert regions. Today in Oman, almost all towns are located along the coast.

There were widespread mangrove forests all along this route back then, though most of them have since died out. There's plenty to eat along the coast and the weather is much milder. A journey inland through deserts by such primitive man may have been deadly. Probably the first people undertaking this epic voyage, to which we are all indebted, were the Negritos.



Negritos or pre-Negritos probably arrived in the Philippines 30,000 years ago. Findings in caves on Palawan include a 22,000 year old skull called Tabon Man. These caves show habitation going back for 30,500 years. or some say, 50,000 years. Finds at the Tabon Caves are interesting in that giant tortoises and even elephants are found there, animals since died out on the Philippines.

At other sites, boars, deer, giant and pygmy elephants and rhinoceros have been found. Presently, large mammals are rare to lacking on the archipelago, a common characteristic of islands. Some archaeologists believe that an even earlier man was present on the Philippines up to 250,000 years ago.

This "Dawn Man" is thought to be related to Peking Man and Java Man, that is, he is a variety of Homo Erectus. No bones of this man have been found, but that has not prevented archaeologists from strangely speculating about his appearance. Dr. Otley Beyer, an American anthropologist, is the one who postulated the existence of Dawn Man.

But findings at Tabon Cave date back at most 50,000 years, not 250,000 years.

Nevertheless, there are human artifacts in the Cagayan Valley on Luzon dating back 500,000 years, so Otley may have been onto something. Other reports indicate these tools date back 800,000 years, in the range of Java Man. Others investigating similar sites in the Philippines question whether or not these are really tools, but even these people describe their own clear finds as Acheulean and Lower Paleolithic.

These inhabitants must have been Homo Erectus and were probably related to Java Man and possibly to Peking Man. Acheulean dates from 100,000 to 1.8 million years ago, and Lower Paleolithic spans from 120,000 to 2.5 million years ago. Clearly, the use of these terms by these Cagayan doubters means that even they feel that Homo was in the Philippines at least 120,000 years ago.

Palawan is at the very far end of the Philippines near Indonesia.

Indonesia has been inhabited by Homo derivatives for 2 million years. The theory is that Palawan was at one time connected to Borneo and that early man came to the Philippines via this land bridge.



A Batak Negrito woman of Palawan Island, possibly related to some of the first Negritos to show up in the Philippines. The Palawan Batak number 2,041 and about 1/2 the population speak the language. Note the woolly hair. Parts of Palawan near Tabon Cave are still pretty sparsely populated. Although Tabon Cave is now right on the seashore, it used to be 25-30 miles inland. Only 10% of Philippine archaeological sites have been dug up and many of those are being looted.

All artifacts and bones have to be shipped out of the Philippines to more developed countries to be analyzed and then shipped back, since the Philippines, with its semi-feudal capitalist model, lacks the modern facilities to analyze artifacts. This is the one great thing Mao did for China - he built a modern country. Mao's achievement is best seen in comparisons like this one.



The caves of Tabon show evidence of jar burial connected with the Plain of Jars in Laos and other sites in Sri Lanka. This is probably a Negrito culture in Sri Lanka and Laos.

The Negritos probably came to the Philippines from Malaysia, where they existed 50,000 years ago, down the Malay Peninsula, over to Borneo and up to Palawan in the Philippines, then to the rest of the islands. A map of land bridges in the area 50,000 years ago is here.

Today, the Negritos are known as Ati, Aeta, Agta, Arta, Atta, Alta and Ita, among other names. The word appears to be not their own name for themselves but an appellation placed on them by the surrounding Filipinos. In Austronesian languages, a word like ita often means "black".



Aeta kids in the Philippines. Some of them look almost like Aborigines. The girl on the far right has a lot of Filipino blood based on her hair and features. The cute girl on the second to left is very heavily admixed with Filipino blood.



They practiced a Stone Age culture up until modern times.



A Pugot Negrito hunter of Southern Luzon with a small deer he has killed, in a photo from a travel guide in 1987. Note that he is clad only in a loincloth. They live around Quezon Province south of Manila and speak a language called Southern Alta, which has about 1,000 speakers.



Today, their lands have been invaded and stolen by non-Negrito Filipinos and they labor as peasants on the lands of the Filipinos. Many are unemployed, and cultural collapse is evident. Marriages are unstable, domestic abuse is common, drunkenness is omnipresent, and watching pornography is a pastime. The languages are in a state of Language Death.

In the past few decades, there have been quite a few murders of Negritos by Filipino settlers. There have been few, if any, prosecutions for these crimes.



The Tiruray of Cotabato in Southern Mindanao. They are also known as the Ata and the Upland Bagobo. They may be related to Negritos, but they are clearly quite mixed. They are quite dark.

Being short and dark is an advantage in very hot climates. Dark skin avoids skin damage from UV waves and prevents the destruction of folic acid in the woman's body during pregnancy, lack of which kills a high percentage of fetuses. Being short enables one to dissipate heat more quickly in a very hot climate. A large body quickly overheats in such a climate.

The Tiruray language is in excellent shape. All 50,000 Tiruray speak it, and the literacy rate in Tiruray is 49%.



After the Negritos, two more possibly Australoid groups came to the Philippines, both poorly understood. Australoid-Sakais were the next group to come to Philippines after the Negritos. The Sakais are the same as the Senoi in Malaysia.

The Senoi are the subject of the most flagrant yet little known anthropological frauds of our time - the Senoi Dream Theory fraud. A discussion goes beyond the scope of this post, but this exhaustive site fills in all the blanks. They seem to be a part-Veddoid group with links to the Veddoids of India and Sri Lanka. They also seem to have some roots in Southern China 5,000 years ago.

It appears that whatever movements brought them to Malaysia may have carried them to the Philippines. The Sakai mixed in heavily with the Negritos. Then the proto-Malay appeared. They were short and very hairy - were they related to the Ainu? It is not known if they were Australoid or not. The nature of the proto-Malay is completely unclear.

A very hairy and early Asian seems to imply someone related to the Ainu. The proto-Ainu were in Thailand 18,000 years ago as the Jomon, when they got on boats and moved up to Japan. In Malaysia, the proto-Malay are the product of Austronesians from Taiwan breeding in with Veddoid Senoi. It is not known if the proto-Malay described in the peopling of the Philippines are the same people as those in Malaysia.

All of these early, possibly Australoid groups - the Sakai, the proto-Malay and the Negritos - seem to have left little trace on the Filipinos of today.

The next group to come to the Philippines were the Nesiots. Some say the Nesiots were Austronesians from Taiwan; others say they came from Indonesia. Wherever they came from, their ancestors are the Tboli of Mindanao, the Igorots of Luzon and other hill tribes such as the Lumad.



A Tboli tribal from South Cotabato Province in Southwest Mindanao, probably related to the Nesiots, the first Taiwanese aborigines who came to the Philippines 5,000 years ago. Others say these people came from Indonesia, but that seems dubious. It's more rational to say that they are related to the Paiwan of Taiwan. Perhaps genetics can sort all this out.

Based on appearance, these people may be related to the second wave of Nesiots to land in the Philippines, described below. The Tboli language is in excellent shape, with 95,000 speakers, and there are 10,000 Tboli monolinguals. Tboli is spoken freely and everywhere by the group. Their literacy rate in Tboli is 50-60%, excellent for such a small language.

This document, Figurative Uses of 'Breath' in Tboli, is a linguistics text dealing with the field of Semantics, or the meaning of words. It's easily readable by any reasonably educated reader of this blog and I think you might find it interesting to dip into it. One may combine the noun "breath" with 53 different adjectives and verbs to create different expressions of emotions, characteristics, or new verbs. Lengun nawa - "coffin breath" - worry, anxiety - is a cool example. More at the link.



The first wave came 5,000 years ago. They were tall, thin, had light skin, deep set eyes, aquiline noses and thin lips. It is common to say that these people were part-Caucasian, but there is little evidence of this. It may be more accurate to say they were related to the Ainu. Some of the Mangyan of Mindoro today do look somewhat Caucasian.



An Igorot of Luzon. They have a distinctive appearance that most Filipinos can recognize. Based on appearance, they may be related to the first group of Nesiots, described above. These people are also known as Bontoc, and speak two different languages, Central Bontoc and Northern Kankanay. Together these groups number 110,000. Note the terraced rice fields. Rice cultivation was brought to the Philippines by the Austronesians when they first arrived maybe 5,000 years ago from Taiwan.


An Alangan Mangyan woman from north-central Mindoro.The language has 7,694 speakers and is in good shape. Some say these people may be related to Negritos, but that is not proven. I have a friend on Mindoro who says she likes the Mangyan but prefers not to deal with them when they come into Calapan City where she stays sometimes. Asked why not, she said it is because they smell bad.

They live pretty primitive lives via slash and burn agriculture in the jungles of Mindoro, but maybe they don't bathe all that much. They come into the cities now and then to buy stuff. The men, even today, are often clad only in a loincloth.



A second wave came later. They were shorter, bulkier and darker, with thick lips, wide noses and heavy jaws. As these groups are also related to the Sea Dayak of Borneo and the Batak of Sumatra anthropologically, and the Paiwan Taiwanese aborigines genetically, it seems strange to say that they came from Indonesia.

They were probably ancestors of the Paiwan who came to Indonesia and the Philippines by boats. Ancestors of the Batak later went on to populate Polynesia and from there Micronesia. I call the group made up of Sea Dayak, Paiwan, Sumatrans, Balinese and the Paiwan the Island SE Asian Race.

2,300 yrs ago, the last wave of Austronesians came from Taiwan, and these are the present day Pinoys. This group is almost exclusively related to the Ami aborigine tribe of Taiwan. 900 years ago, a large wave of southern Chinese came to the Philippines on boats and totally mixed in with the Ami-Filipinos.



Beautiful little Filipina girls. This is a classic Filipino phenotype.



Present-day Filipinos are mostly related to the Ami of Taiwan who came 2,300 years ago, with heavy Southern Chinese admixture from the Chinese who came 1,100 years ago. Tales that the Filipinos are part-Australoid or heavily mixed with Negrito, very common beliefs among racists, racialists and amateur anthropologists on the Internet, are all in error.



An old photo of Tagalogs on Luzon from the early part of the 20th Century. Some Filipinos are quite dark. Even these people are probably mostly Chinese people from Taiwan.



The Filipinos are first and foremost a Southern Chinese people, genetically related to the Chinese around Hong Kong and the aboriginal Taiwanese.



A cute Ami girl from the Ami tribe of Taiwanese aborigines. Modern-day Filipinos, excepting some tribals, are extremely close genetically to the Ami of Taiwan, such that one can easily posit a Filipino-Ami subgroup. The most parsimonious conclusion is that most Filipinos today are derived from a large group of Ami traveled via boat from Taiwan to the Philippines 2,300 years.

There is since been a large infusion of Chinese. Many Filipinos in and around Manila claim recent Chinese ancestry. The Ami and other Taiwanese tribes were headhunters even as recently as the 1930's. During the Japanese occupation, they were a perennial headache to the occupiers.

They had a tendency to behead the local Hokko Chinese (the mainland Chinese who came to Taiwan starting in the 1600's. In one incident related in Time Magazine from the 1930's, 100 Taiwanese aborigine women committed suicide en masse as their village was attacked, screaming that if their men warriors were killed defending the village, they would die too.


Map of Taiwanese aborigines showing the location of the Ami on the east coast of the island. The Ami were perfectly positioned to colonize much of island SE Asia. Recent research shows some intriguing suggestions of closer link between Ami and the rest of the extra-Taiwanese Austronesian languages than with between Austronesian and the non-Ami Taiwanese languages. Austronesian is a vast family, but all of the main branches but one are on the island of Taiwan.

All extra-Taiwanese Austronesian languages form one vast family. There are cognates between such unexpected languages as Tagalog and Hawaiian, showing that the two peoples are related. The very deep diversity in Austronesian indicates that the Taiwanese languages have been evolving on the island for a very long time.



In fact, I was able to construct a compact race called the South China Sea Race, composed of Filipinos, the Ami of Taiwan and the Guangdong Han, a shorthand for the Southern Chinese of Guangdong Province, Hong Kong and the Taiwan Strait.

There have been complaints in the comments section at the end of the post that Filipinos and Hong Kong Chinese do not look much alike. I do not know Asians very well, and to me Southern Chinese from around Hong Kong have darker skins and more SE Asian features than any other Chinese that I have encountered. Apparently, Hong Kong Chinese and Filipinos can be readily discerned by those in the know.

But my racial classification is not based on phenotype - for the most part, it is based on genes and genes alone. Check the Capelli and Chu papers linked at the end of the piece for evidence linking first the Filipinos to the Ami, and then the Hong Kong Chinese to the Ami.

The Chinese in this area have some of the world's highest recorded IQ's. Oddly, the Filipino IQ is only 86, but there is a tremendous amount of malnutrition in the Philippines, and the population is poorly educated as the state spends almost nothing on this.

Filipinos I have known of no more than average intelligence show typical Asian traits of behavioral inhibition, calmness, shyness, self-consciousness and even a degree of introversion in females and typical Asian time preference (willingness to work hard today in the interest of rewards at some unknown future time).

I have been completely stunned by the highly developed math skills of Filipinos who have only average intelligence. Asian intelligence is highly weighted towards math and visual intelligence. All of things add weight to the notion of Filipinos being a Southern Chinese people.

India, with a national IQ of only 81, has developed an amazing high tech and call center economy. Call centers are moving to the Philippines, where, if anything, English skills are better than in India. I think that the Philippines shows good potential for IT based on better than expected math skills. Lack of behavioral disinhibition and good time preference are good traits in the Filipino labor force.

Like many people who evolved in the tropics, Filipinos are sunny, happy and seemingly carefree. They love to laugh, sing and party. In this way they resemble Thai, Cambodians, Lao, Malay, Polynesians, Micronesians, Melanesians, Indonesians, Caribbeans and even Africans.



Typical Filipinos of today. Note the easy smiles and carefree faces. Poster is from a government contraception campaign, badly needed in this overpopulated land.

http://robertlindsay.blogspot.com/2008/02/...hilippines.html



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Cordilleran/Northern Luzon
Bashiic/Batanic
Central Luzon
Inati
Kalamian
Greater Central Philippines (Central Philippines, South Mangyan, Palawanic, Manobo, Danaw, Subanun, Gorontalic)
Bilic
Sangiric
Minahasan

http://www.sil.org/asia/Philippines/ical/h...onoun_recon.pdf
martin_nuke








Suzuka00
I wonder if the warring states period in china where in people did a mass exodus in china to other parts of SE ASIA affected our islands in a way since our genes look similar to southern han,strange there also filipinos in rural areas that might cluster with koreans in dna! some even have trace jomon and hmong genes to taste as well
Selkies
ok we have been debating on the other thread about the influnce of malayan culture in the philippines.

ok can u find as many similiar language to the taiwan aboringee compared to the malay? Or their customs and tradition and religion like islam etc.. beerchug.gif

i will just repost it similar language between filipino and malay



Aku/ako - I
putih/puti - white
hitam/itim - black
mahal/mahal - expensive
murah/ mura - cheap
muka/mukha - face
lima/lima - five
empat/apat - four
enam/anim - six
tolong/tulong- help
kanan/kanan - right
anak/anak - child
langit/langit - sky
kilat/ kidlat - lightning
ujan/ulan - rain
utang/utang - debt
bulan/buwan - moon
bulan/ buwan - month
bola/bola - ball
bolpen/bolpen - pen/ballpoint
payung/payong- umbrella
paku/pako - metal nail
paska/pasko - Easter
kucing/ kuting - cat
buka/bukas - open
pintu/ pinto - door
pohon/puno - tree
sayang/ sayang - too bad/pity
sakit/sakit - sick/illness
sabun/sabon - soap
sepatu/ sapatos - shoes
taksi/taksi - taxi
bilang/bilang - say/count
bunga/bunga (indo: flower/ filo: fruit)
lumpia/lumpiya - spring roll/egg roll
bawang/bawang - onion/garlic
durian/ duryan - durian
rambutan/ rambutan
mangga/mangga - mango
batik/batik - spot
angkat/angkat- lift/import
panada/empanada - pie
alkohol/alkohol - alcohol
sedap/ sarap - delicious
kami/kami - we
lida/dila - tongue
tawa/tawa - laugh
guru/guro - teacher
sori/sori - sorry
pelit/pilit - forced/stingy
paniki/ paniki - bat
babi/baboy - pig
ingat/ingat - remember/take care
minum/uminóm - drink
tahan/tahan - discontinue/to stop
balik/balik - come back
masuk/pumások - come in
lelaki/laláki - man/boy
angin/hángin - wind
lama/luma - old/not new / long-lasting
berita/ balita - news
beli/bili - buy
Amerik/Amerika - America
Alamat/Alamat - address/legend
selamat/ salamat - greet, thankyou
api/ apoy -fire
manis/matamis - sweet
mata/ mata - eyes
mulai/mula - start
surat/sulat - letter
pilih /pili - choose
bintang/bintang - star, to blame
basah/ basa - wet
baca / basa - read
tahun / taon - year
itu/ito - this,that
salah/sala- wrong
kesalahan/ kasalanan - fault
Selkies
QUOTE(Graham_Cracker07 @ Feb 20 2008, 06:55 PM) [snapback]3510930[/snapback]
Over time, some groups of ppl from Malaysia and Indonesia came back to the Philippines and settles primarily in the Visayas and Mindanao


nailed it biggthumpup.gif

u might also add manila it began as a muslim settlement by muslim settlers icon_wink.gif
Suzuka00
QUOTE(Selkies @ Jun 13 2008, 06:23 PM) [snapback]3753910[/snapback]
nailed it biggthumpup.gif

u might also add manila it began as a muslim settlement by muslim settlers icon_wink.gif

it used to be a part of namayan,a tagalog town ruled by a datu that became ncr until muslims settled there...

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Over time, some groups of ppl from Malaysia and Indonesia came back to the Philippines and settles primarily in the Visayas and Mindanao

but what filipino ethnic groups did to malays is what viets did to chams-assimilated them
*promo
http://www.geocities.com/venyv/ for more word(s) associations of Bahasa Melayu.
Suzuka00
tagalog loan words
Tagalog meaning language of origin original spelling
kumustá how are you? (general greeting) Spanish cómo está
dasál pray Spanish rezar
kabayo horse Spanish caballo
silya chair Spanish silla
umpisá start Spanish empezar
kotse car Spanish coche
sabón soap Spanish jabón (sabón in old Sp)
relós watch Spanish reloj
litrato picture Spanish retrato
tsismis gossip Spanish chismes
giyera/gyera/gera war Spanish guerra
tsinelas slippers Spanish chinelas
karne meat Spanish carne
sapatos shoes Spanish zapatos
arina/harina flour Spanish harina
bisikleta bicycle Spanish bicicleta
sugál gambling Spanish jugar (to play)
baryo village Spanish barrio
swerte luck Spanish suerte
piyesta/pista celebration Spanish fiesta
garáhe garage Spanish garaje
ahente agent/salesman Spanish agente
ensaymada a kind of pastry Catalan ensaďmada
kamote sweet potato Nahuatl camotli
sayote chayote, choko Nahuatl hitzayotli
atswete achiote Nahuatl achiotl
sili chili pepper Nahuatl chili
tsokolate chocolate Nahuatl xocolatl
tiyangge market Nahuatl tianquiztli
sapote chico (fruit) Nahuatl tzapotl
nars nurse English
bolpen ballpoint pen English
drayber/drayver driver English
tráysikel tricycle English
lumpia (/lum·pyâ/) spring roll Min Nan Chinese 潤餅 (春捲)
siopao (/syó·paw/) steamed buns Min Nan Chinese 燒包 (肉包)
pansít (/pyan·i·sit/) noodles Min Nan Chinese 便食 (麵)
susě key Min Nan Chinese 鎖匙
kuya (see Philippine kinship) older brother Min Nan Chinese 哥亚 (哥仔)
ate (/ah·chi/) (see Philippine kinship) older sister Min Nan Chinese 亜姐 (阿姐)
bwisit annoyance Min Nan Chinese 無衣食
bakyâ wooden shoes Min Nan Chinese 木履
hikaw earrings Min Nan Chinese 耳鈎 (耳環)
kanan right Malay kanan
tulong help Malay tolong
sakit sick Malay sakit
tanghalě afternoon Malay tengah hari
dalamhatě grief Malay dalam + hati
luwalhatě glory Malay luar + hati
duryán durian Malay durian
rambután rambutan Malay rambutan
batík spot Malay batik
saráp delicious Malay sedap
asa hope Sanskrit आशा
salitâ speak Sanskrit चरितँ (cerita)
balitŕ news Sanskrit वार्ता (berita)
karma karma Sanskrit कर्म
alak liquor Persian عرق (arak)
manggá mango Tamil மாங்காய்(mángáy)
bagay thing Tamil வகை(vagai)
hukóm judge Arabic حكم
salamat thanks Arabic سلامة
bakit why Kapampangan obakit
akyát climb Kapampangan ukyát/mukyat
at and Kapampangan at
bundók mountain Kapampangan bunduk
huwág don't Pangasinan ag
aso dog Luzon languages aso
tayo we (inc.) Luzon languages
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A Time For Us {Malaysian-Filipino Lovestory}








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Suzuka00
QUOTE
Conclusion
We show that, in contrast to the Taiwan homeland hypothesis, the Island Southeast Asians do not have a Taiwan origin based on their paternal lineages. Furthermore, we show that both Taiwan aborigines and Indonesians likely derived from the Daic populations based on their paternal lineages. These two populations seem to have evolved independently of each other. Our results indicate that a super-phylum, which includes Taiwan aborigines, Daic, and Malayo-Polynesians, is genetically educible.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...i?artid=2408594



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While there has not yet been a genetic study of great statistical significance about the ancestry of the various Austronesian Philippine ethnic groups, there have been some studies, based upon very small sample (statistics) sample s of the population, which provide clues as to their origins.

For example, a Stanford University study conducted during 2001 revealed that Y-chromosome haplogroup O3 (Y-DNA) Haplogroup O3 -M122 (labeled as "Haplogroup L" in this study) predominates among Filipino males. This particular haplogroup is also predominant among Chinese people Chinese and Koreans Korean males. Another haplogroup, haplogroup O1 (Y-DNA) Haplogroup O1a -M119 (labeled as "Haplogroup H" in this study), is also found among Filipinos. The rates of Haplogroup O1a are highest among the Taiwanese Aborigines . Overall, the genetic frequencies found among Filipinos points to the Ami people Ami tribe of Taiwan as their nearest genetic relative.

A 2002 China Medical University (ROC) China Medical University study indicated that certain Filipinos shared a particular gene marker that is also found among Taiwanese aborigines and Indonesians.

Furthermore, a 2003 University of the Philippines study based on 50 participants each from the islands of Luzon and Cebu provided some insight into the various places of origin of early Filipinos; some rare genetic markers were found that are shared by people from parts of Asia.

http://filipinawives.org/


borneans,malagax and filipinos =/= malays
Selkies
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Jun 18 2008, 07:47 PM) [snapback]3760931[/snapback]
For example, a Stanford University study conducted during 2001 revealed that Y-chromosome haplogroup O3 (Y-DNA) Haplogroup O3 -M122 (labeled as "Haplogroup L" in this study) predominates among Filipino males. This particular haplogroup is also predominant among Chinese people Chinese and Koreans Korean males. Another haplogroup, haplogroup O1 (Y-DNA) Haplogroup O1a -M119 (labeled as "Haplogroup H" in this study), is also found among Filipinos. The rates of Haplogroup O1a are highest among the Taiwanese Aborigines . Overall, the genetic frequencies found among Filipinos points to the Ami people Ami tribe of Taiwan as their nearest genetic relative.

A 2002 China Medical University (ROC) China Medical University study indicated that certain Filipinos shared a particular gene marker that is also found among Taiwanese aborigines and Indonesians.


i wonder what kind of filipinos did they took their samples from because a lot of filipino have chinese blood some are even pure chinese, i think chinese looking filipino should not be included in sampling but sample should only be taken on brownskinned malay looking filipinos like the posted pictures u see here.

Also it says we share a particular gene marker with indonesians and taiwanese aboringes so this makes it very possible the indonesians to can have the taiwanese aboringees as their nearest genetic relative same with filipinos.

martin_nuke
Im already getting very confused. I think the DNA sampling in the Philippines must be done in the provinces or rural areas not in the cities because the Filipino DNA is more pure in rural areas. By this method we can trace the real genetic makeup of Filipinos.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(Selkies @ Jun 18 2008, 09:16 AM) [snapback]3761113[/snapback]
i wonder what kind of filipinos did they took their samples from because a lot of filipino have chinese blood some are even pure chinese, i think chinese looking filipino should not be included in sampling but sample should only be taken on brownskinned malay looking filipinos like the posted pictures u see here.

Also it says we share a particular gene marker with indonesians and taiwanese aboringes so this makes it very possible the indonesians to can have the taiwanese aboringees as their nearest genetic relative same with filipinos.

there are lots of cinitas and cinitos in the country side especially in mountainous luzon areas

filipinos are related to malays and tai as are viets related to khmer
martin_nuke
In the mountainous region of Rizal Province many Filipinos there are dark and Indian looking.
2ndsun
I doubt that those doing the gene sampling are ignorant to take their samples in the city. Usually it is taken all over the country, therefore you get a more substantial result. Thats always been the fundamentals of mapping genes.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Jun 20 2008, 01:27 AM) [snapback]3764329[/snapback]
In the mountainous region of Rizal Province many Filipinos there are dark and Indian looking.

most of them can be mistaken as vietnamese or cambodian,there are also sinoids....
Graham_Cracker07
The Luzon Highlands are crazy because I was in a town where everyone looked East Asian like this:



and then went down the road and saw ppl like this:

martin_nuke
There is another angle of Philippine Anthropology and I think that every anthropologist has his own way sampling DNA.

MANILA, Philippines—This is what I remember from grade school: long, long ago, waves of people came and settled in the Philippines. One such group was composed of short, dark people. They moved farther inland, to high ground, when another wave of settlers, comparatively taller and fairer than the previous wave, came to the archipelago.

I’m sure there was more to the story we learned in class; a quick skim through the early Philippine history section of various texts indicates there may have been at least five waves of settlers in this archipelago. The texts also say some of these peoples came from the Malay Peninsula, but in last month’s issue of the journal Molecular Biology and Evolution, British researchers from the University of Leeds said that contrary to prevailing “out of Taiwan” model, the people who settled in the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia in the last 5,000 years weren’t farmers from Taiwan.

http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifest...How-we-got-here
2ndsun
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Jun 20 2008, 12:51 AM) [snapback]3764423[/snapback]
There is another angle of Philippine Anthropology and I think that every anthropologist has his own way sampling DNA.

MANILA, Philippines—This is what I remember from grade school: long, long ago, waves of people came and settled in the Philippines. One such group was composed of short, dark people. They moved farther inland, to high ground, when another wave of settlers, comparatively taller and fairer than the previous wave, came to the archipelago.

I’m sure there was more to the story we learned in class; a quick skim through the early Philippine history section of various texts indicates there may have been at least five waves of settlers in this archipelago. The texts also say some of these peoples came from the Malay Peninsula, but in last month’s issue of the journal Molecular Biology and Evolution, British researchers from the University of Leeds said that contrary to prevailing “out of Taiwan” model, the people who settled in the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia in the last 5,000 years weren’t farmers from Taiwan.

http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifest...How-we-got-here


Interesting article. No doubt that such events as past global warming could have contributed to the migration of peoples to other areas. Especially in SE Asia. According to Stephen Oppenhiemer's 1998 work, "Eden In The East," it does show that some migrations from Sundaland(prehistoric Malaysian Archipelago) tot he Philippines did occur as a result of massive floodings. Something that the researchers at Leeds University are just echoing. Please note the word, "some." Plus genetic studies recently done are not to imply that Taiwan is the only possibility, but also Southern China and Vietnam.


Here is a more detailed and current thesis.

http://web.kssp.upd.edu.ph/linguistics/plc...I-2_Solheim.pdf
martin_nuke
Maybe the Philippines is too Diverse which makes DNA sampling more difficult.

Even in the Mountain Province of Luzon there are some tribes there that really look Malay.
Graham_Cracker07
^ Some Ifugaos look like South Americans or something else. I dunno why our tribal ppl look so different from lowland Filipinos.





2ndsun
To me when I went to the Cordilleras earlier this year, the highland Filipinos look mostly like East Asians, while most lowlanders look more SE Asian. In Rizal province they do seem more darker and Aeta looking, which in truth is still a large pop. center of Aetas.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Jun 20 2008, 04:23 AM) [snapback]3764531[/snapback]
Maybe the Philippines is too Diverse which makes DNA sampling more difficult.

Even in the Mountain Province of Luzon there are some tribes there that really look Malay.

you can see those kinds of faces in southern china,i mistook a chinese girl for a pinay....
Selkies
native american indians also came from asia during the ice age.
2ndsun
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Jun 20 2008, 02:23 AM) [snapback]3764531[/snapback]
Maybe the Philippines is too Diverse which makes DNA sampling more difficult.

Even in the Mountain Province of Luzon there are some tribes there that really look Malay.


I don't think it's too diverse. Thats wrong thinking on your part. Look at China, which is even more diverse than the Philippines and yet their DNA sampling was a cinch. Most people say that in the Mountain Province and Cordilleras the people there look more East Asian(i.e lighter skin tone, more pronounced epicanthic eye fold), to that I agree.
Graham_Cracker07
QUOTE(2ndsun @ Jun 20 2008, 05:10 AM) [snapback]3764612[/snapback]
To me when I went to the Cordilleras earlier this year, the highland Filipinos look mostly like East Asians, while most lowlanders look more SE Asian. In Rizal province they do seem more darker and Aeta looking, which in truth is still a large pop. center of Aetas.


I was in a small mountain town that was nothing but East Asian-looking people. It felt like i was in the highlands of China or something. I'm not sure if they were tribal people or not. They dressed like lowlanders. But we went down the road and saw Ifugaos, they looked nothing like the people in that town. Many Ifugaos share similar features with East Asians (like the epicanthic fold) but they still look different to me.

Examples:



Suzuka00
QUOTE(Graham_Cracker07 @ Jun 20 2008, 05:38 AM) [snapback]3764660[/snapback]
I saw a lot of East Asian-looking people in a small mountain town, i'm not sure if they were tribal people or not. They didnt dress differently. But we went down the road and saw Ifugaos, they looked nothing like the people in that town. Many Ifugaos share similar features with East Asians (like the epicanthic fold) but they still look different to me.

Examples:




some people in rural areas of luzon do have a classic mongoloid look some even look like koreans
Suzuka00
QUOTE
QUOTE
Conclusion
We show that, in contrast to the Taiwan homeland hypothesis, the Island Southeast Asians do not have a Taiwan origin based on their paternal lineages. Furthermore, we show that both Taiwan aborigines and Indonesians likely derived from the Daic populations based on their paternal lineages. These two populations seem to have evolved independently of each other. Our results indicate that a super-phylum, which includes Taiwan aborigines, Daic, and Malayo-Polynesians, is genetically educible.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...i?artid=2408594



QUOTE
While there has not yet been a genetic study of great statistical significance about the ancestry of the various Austronesian Philippine ethnic groups, there have been some studies, based upon very small sample (statistics) sample s of the population, which provide clues as to their origins.

For example, a Stanford University study conducted during 2001 revealed that Y-chromosome haplogroup O3 (Y-DNA) Haplogroup O3 -M122 (labeled as "Haplogroup L" in this study) predominates among Filipino males. This particular haplogroup is also predominant among Chinese people Chinese and Koreans Korean males. Another haplogroup, haplogroup O1 (Y-DNA) Haplogroup O1a -M119 (labeled as "Haplogroup H" in this study), is also found among Filipinos. The rates of Haplogroup O1a are highest among the Taiwanese Aborigines . Overall, the genetic frequencies found among Filipinos points to the Ami people Ami tribe of Taiwan as their nearest genetic relative.

A 2002 China Medical University (ROC) China Medical University study indicated that certain Filipinos shared a particular gene marker that is also found among Taiwanese aborigines and Indonesians.

Furthermore, a 2003 University of the Philippines study based on 50 participants each from the islands of Luzon and Cebu provided some insight into the various places of origin of early Filipinos; some rare genetic markers were found that are shared by people from parts of Asia.

http://filipinawives.org/
QUOTE(Selkies @ Jun 18 2008, 09:16 AM) [snapback]3761113[/snapback]
i wonder what kind of filipinos did they took their samples from because a lot of filipino have chinese blood some are even pure chinese, i think chinese looking filipino should not be included in sampling but sample should only be taken on brownskinned malay looking filipinos like the posted pictures u see here.

Also it says we share a particular gene marker with indonesians and taiwanese aboringes so this makes it very possible the indonesians to can have the taiwanese aboringees as their nearest genetic relative same with filipinos.

borneo-philippines[filipinos(inc gorontalo and manado),borneans( inc. malagassys)] are related to each other ethnically and sundic malays are related to polynesians and tais that is what dna and linguistics proves but there is mixing between those two groups.........
Suzuka00
MALAGASSY PEOPLE LOOK LIKE EGOYS,madagascar is the "neice" nation of the philippines
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