yesssssssssssssssssss, Congladtulation to Samak Sundaravej, leader of Thailand's People's Power Party, who was promised to pardon former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Many issan and Lanna people voted for the right party, and i am happy for them. Anything possible when pi-nong issan and Lanna are working together. don't let those central siamese take away your votes.

Sorry siamese you lose. Well let do the count down for the new government, since the minority central siamese don't like the new government. Likely will be another coup with the king blessing. They are good at doing those.

two thumbs up for PPP, Thaksin and thai lak thai. biggthumpup.gif

Oh noooooooo!
Just because he got many votes from northern and northeastern Thailand doesnt mean he is a good guy for the job...
http://www.adslthailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70333

So the party with the most votes get to pick a PM, is that how it works in Thailand? i know here in the US, you can have one party of a majority but the presidency can still belong to the opposing party.

Thailand is like Britian, the majority party picks the prime minister.

boo ชื่อแม่งก็บอกแล้วว่าไทยลักไทยดูมึงท่าจะเป็นคนลาวสินะถึงได้ชอบชื่อแบบเนี่ย เพราะภาษาลาวมันไม่มี รอเรือ มันออกหอหีบ จะเรียกไทยฮักไทยเดียวชาวบ้านจะรู้ เลยต้องเรียกไทยลักไทย

5555+ oh well

It works in Britain but i dont it's gonna work so well in Thailand. From what i understand, this guy is very controversial politiician.

Do you really think Thai people think Samak, Yongyut, Chalerm have the Thai people's interests at heart? The urgent mission for these PM and his cabinet is just safe Thaksin from the legal system and remove the power on those who on different side.

People will see who is really the good or bad guy. those PPP cabinet give a lots of promise to your Esarn brother and Sister and In this economic and politic situation they will also find the hard time to complete all those promisses. TRT and PPP are not a grassroots movement that is going to see a substantial improvement in the poor's lives. That requires long thought out policies that need years for implementation and fruition.

This goverment wont last long.

if it doesnt last, i hope that its the ppl who handle the situation by using their vote.

THailand does not need another military coup. this time, they may not give up power.

ppl within the party represent their districts, so i hope they will represent the interest of the ppl they represent.

The US president does not get elected on a popular vote either, so in those terms its not a true democrasy either.

Yes no body want to see the other coup now ,and the Thai military also don't want to made them selves look bad on that. (Since they already look bad)

All I want is that this goverment can deal with the Ecomnomic bombard that cause by American Supprime debt. Its will affect Thailand economic soon. As our 20% of export product go to US.

What is your solution to winning the hearts and minds of the poor people in the rural area? i dont see how the oppposing party can gain more votes without them doing something more for the poor people. Until then the election will always be lopsided in favor of PPP. I dont think it's fair to wealthy and elite people of your country to shoulder most of burden either.

I dont want to make predictions but one of these days the power may shift away from Central Thailand and i hate to see what is gonna happen to people on the opposing side.

Yes, you're right, they go electoral votes.

Haha, loser is always a loser. Samak Sundaravej is your prime minister, like it or not. Thai lak Thai is the right choice for issan and lanna people. it has been proven over and over since Thaksin government, just accept it buddy. That is the mandated from the heaven. Regarless if i live in Udon, Laos or US i'm still Lao till my last breath. d

Thanksin won not Samak~ people voted for his party because of Thanksin

The local newspapers quoted Samak as a very coarse and unrefined royalist. Apparently when he was asked by a female journalist once if there was political infighting in his political party, he snapped back at her to say :

"Did u have sinful sex last night????"

This guy is an a.sshole, without a doubt. -thumbdown

he sure is! he a pig too!

It's OK... Because he has got voted from most Thai people especially Thai people from North Thailand and Northeastern Thailand. It's the Thai rights to choose for the Thai leader. So I accept what our people decided.

dude, you don't live here. People, ton of people have thought of the solution before to get votes from the poor. But in reality, it has nothing to with policy maker or promised deals that were given to the poor. Most of the local politicians here have people who will vote for them no matter what. Even before an election, they already knew how much vote they are gonna get from the people at hand. The indiscrepancy, the undetermined factors are from people who have average income, because they can't be bought with little money. Do you know what kind of hobbies local politicians here do in thailand? They spend almost entire day and almost every single day to go to marriage or funeral ceremonies. They would either give the man and wife the wedding money or make a promise to the widows they would be helping them in every way they can. This is the way of Thailand, and it's been done for generations. It's almost like a general knowledge that is if you wanna be elected a prime minister, you reach out for the local politicians, you don't and would never be able to reach out for the people. If someone of the opposing side sees you do it, you would be threathen first and killed off later. And I mean it literally. It has nothing to do with poor people from north and northeast and average income people in central thailand fighting one another like you seem to think it is. Even in central thailand, local bangkok politicians have people under control who would go to vote for them regardless of anything. But the reason they didn't win is because the undetermined factors here in bangkok are greater.

That's right thai should accept what your people decided. Can you share your wisdom with yokie ??

yokie boy, politician spend almost entire day and almost every single day to go to marriage or funeral ceremonies. They would either give the man and wife the wedding money or make a promise to the widows they would be helping them in every way they can. Giving money in the wedding and funeral happen almost every cultures. It's the sign of respect and part of connecting to the community. Those people that Don't give money in the wedding and funeral is yokie, and those are selfish son of a BS.

I think they're jealous because the other guys can play the game better than them.

กูละเบื่อมึงจริงๆวะ คนปกติเขาไปงานแต่งงานคนรู้จักแล้วก็ให้เงินเป็นเรื่องธรรมดาเออกูไม่ว่า คงมีแต่มึงนี่เหละที่งานแต่งงานคนไม่รู้จักก็ยังหน้าด้านไป ไปแม่งทั่วทั้งอำเภอเลยไปเป็นประธานกล่าวพิธีเปิดงานให้กับคนไม่รู้จักด้วยอีกต่างหากและก็ให้เงินของขวัญแต่งกลางงานอะนะ คงมีแต่บ้านมึงที่ทำอย่างงั้น

yeah, samak or any other c_nt-licking, c@ck-sucking and @$$-fu-king dogs

i just don't care

i m totally losing fate in esarn people

samak gov is just another proof of how dumb those cunts are

fu-k them, fu-k them all

hope they all burned in hell with those ppl who gave them money

Welcome to democracy buddy, Issan and Lanna voted for the right party and stop embracing your sorry @$$ Junta. Showing up at the wedding without knowing the guest and present with gifts or money is a sign of being friendly. But if you show up with guns and arrogant siamese. we will BBQ you, buddy. If you don't believe me, try.

กูละเบื่อมึงจริงๆวะ

Welcome back Anatta

As I mention before Samak really represent politican and people who vote on him. I believe that this year would be the difficult year for Thailand. And from that those cabinet who voted on him would realized when things go totally wrong.......If those who vote for Samak to be PM care.

ประชาชนเป็นแบบใหน = ได้ผู้แทนในแบบนั้น
ผู้แทนเป็นแบบใหน = ไดนายกในแบบนั้น
ร้ฐบาลเป็นแบบใหน = ประเทศชาติก็เป็นแบบนั้น
ประเทศชาติเป็นแบบใหน = ผลร้ายก็จะกลับมาตกแก่ประชาชนในแบบนั้น..โดยเฉพาะคนที่เลือกเขาเข้ามาหวังว่าคงจะได้เรียนรู้กันบ้างว่าทำอะไรลงไป

เออแต่มึงเป็นคนลาวมึงมายุ่งอะไรกับคนอีสานกับลานนา

เออบ้านมึงว่าเป็นมิตร แต่บ้านกูว่าโครตแปลก อย่าลืมบอกกูละกันว่ามึงจะแต่งงานหรือตายเมื่อไหร่ เดียวกูจะได้ให้เพื่อนกูไปทั้งซอยเลย นี่ไงแสดงความเป็นมิตรไง คนละยี่สิบบาทพอมั้ย

อย่าไปทำเลย แบบนี้แถวบ้านกูเขาเรียกว่าหน้าด้าน มิน่าไอ้พวกที่คิดว่าเรื่องแบบนี้เป็นเรื่องธรรมดาถึงได้ นายกหน้าด้านปากเสียแบบเดียวกับพวกมันไง เฮ้อ กรรมประเทศไทย......

หมู่เฮาซิครองโลกเด้อ 55555+

hahaAAH, Isaan and Lao are too closed for central siamese to separate us, except those issan that got brainwashed by the thaification. once time i used to hold both Thai and Laos citizen. Most of my relatives are holding both thai and Lao citizen. All my relatives voted for Thai lak thai and it's the right choice. Welcome to reality dude. Your fake thaification didn't get on every issarn heads. I'm always Lao, and be Lao till my last breath.

Have you watched this video yet, loser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0QrxWeO_9w

กูเบื่อกูเซ็งกูยอมแพ้ มึงอยากชนะก็ชนะไปเหอะ

แพ้เป็นพระชนะเป็นมาร

Dude, it's about the truth, and not about winning and losing in the argument. For the past 50 years, 1/3 of the major Lao's city like: Viengchan, Thakhek, Savanakhet, and and Pakse are repopulated by Lao from the issan region, and i'm happy for them. Peace and stability will bring pi-nong in issan and Lao closer together. Don't let those minority bangkokian speak for the rest of the country. Well, pi-nong issan and lanna people just flexed the muscle by electing PPP. And then all thai lak thai back in the offices soon to be.


yokie, เป็นมาร , agree.

dude it's THAI RAK THAI party, not Thai Lak Thai. For some reasons I begin to think you made this mistake by intention.

Thai Rak Thai = Thai loves Thai
Thai Lak Thai = Thai steals from Thai

http://www.mmorning.com/ArticleC.asp?Artic...mp;CategoryID=5



Class struggle in Thailand







The Thai army hasn’t the faintest idea what to do next.
Sixteen months ago, after weeks of anti-government demonstrations by opposition party supporters in Bangkok, the military overthrew the elected government of billionaire Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, accusing him and his wife of corruption. They put in a former general as interim prime minister, promised a swift return to democracy, and set about rewriting the constitution to give themselves a bigger permanent role in politics. They also raised the military budget sharply, presumably as a reward to themselves for saving the country from Thaksin.
For a while, things went well. The coup was popular at first, at least in Bangkok. Last May the military regime got the courts to order the dissolution of Thaksin’s party, Thai Rak Thai, and to ban 110 of its senior officials from taking part in politics for five years. But the economy stumbled, and Thai Rak Thai simply re-formed as the People Power Party (PPP). When the promised election to return the country to civilian rule was held last month, the PPP won.
It didn’t get quite enough seats to rule alone, but it has now formed a coalition with five other parties that gives it a comfortable majority of about 315 members in the 480-seat Parliament. Thaksin’s party is back in power, and he says that he will be back in Thailand by April. (He has been living in self-imposed exile, claiming that he could not get a fair trial on the corruption charges while the military were still in power.)
In the meantime, the PPP is being led by Samak Sundaravej, who openly says that he is Thaksin’s proxy. Thaksin has said that he does not want to return to office, but the new government will be taking his advice on a daily basis, and he could always change his mind. All of which poses a problem for the soldiers who overthrew him in September, 2006, but what is going on in Thailand is not really a military-civilian power struggle. It is a struggle between the city and the countryside.
It was only Thaksin’s great wealth that enabled him to rise so fast in politics, for he was not a member of the traditional political class. The country’s politics has long been dominated by a Bangkok-based elite that had close ties to the bureaucracy, the army and the monarchy. Local political bosses in the provinces delivered the peasants’ votes in return for cash and favors, but Thailand was governed by and for the urban middle class.
Thaksin, the great-grandson of a Chinese immigrant, came from the North of the country, and made his money in mobile phones. He was the ultimate outsider, and when he won the 2001 election (the cleanest in Thailand’s history), he really upset the insiders.He started spending the government’s money on the villages, where the majority of Thais still live: everything from a debt moratorium for farmers to micro-credit, better schools, and above all universal health-care. During his five years in office the proportion of Thais living in poverty dropped by half, and health insurance even became available to the country’s two million foreign workers. But of course this meant diverting some money from the traditional concerns of the urban middle class.
The Thai economy grew strongly through all this, allowing Thaksin to pay off the country’s debt to the International Monetary Fund two years early. He was always a populist and sometimes an outright demagogue. He had a nasty authoritarian streak that came out in actions like his “war on drugs” that saw 2,700 people killed in seven weeks (the police deny that they were operating death squads, but then they would, wouldn’t they?) and his clumsy and brutal attempts to quell the insurgency in Thailand’s three mostly Muslim southern provinces. But he won the 2005 election with an even bigger landslide than 2001.
Was he corrupt? Not by the very low standards of traditional Thai political practice, if only because he was too rich to need to steal. Thailand’s traditionally dismal rating on the corruption indexes maintained by various international organizations actually improved on his watch. But then in September 2006, to the great joy of the Bangkok middle class, he was overthrown by the army.Now that military intervention has been decisively rejected by the electorate, and the successor to the party that Thaksin created is coming back to office. The poor have spoken, and it will be difficult for the military to ignore what they have said. Real politics has reached Thailand at last.
What will happen next is a series of mini-crises, as the army and the middle class struggle to come to terms with the fact that they have lost control of the country. It may even blow up into a major crisis and a new military intervention. But it is much more likely to end up with a permanent change in the nature of Thai politics. The country is leaving the “Southeast Asian model” -- military interventions, downtrodden peasantry, elite dominance -- and moving towards the welfare-state style of democracy that prevails in most of the developed world. And a good thing, too.

Are you so blind???? I said he cheated and got caught in front of the whole nation. Why the heck would I need to ask for your opinion whether you think Thaksin is corrupt? By my standard and by the standard of Thai people he is. Are you a Thai citizen? You really think you know about Thaksin more than Thai people?

And look at where you get your source www.mmorning.com which is a newspaper from Lebanon. Why on earth would you think people from Lebanon know so much about Thailand, more than Thai people on this forum?

Use your brain buddy, English spelling can be vary.

Obviouly, the majority of the people didnt think he was since they voted for him again 2nd time. Seems to me like all the news that i've read from overseas seem to have same the agreement. I've read too that the coup governement shut down news outlets in Thailand and even temporarily shut down the internet. You dont think that's bias?

Yokie, it's easy for a few members in here to convinced everybody around the world that all the Thai people dont like Taksin becasue you guys are opposed to him. Now you just dont like it when other people jumping in the discussion trying to counter your arguments, right?

Was it matter whether i'm thai or not? if you want to parade around telling everybody how righteuos party that you support is then i guess it's only fair that people expose the truth about people that you support.

of course and buddha can be spelled with booddaaaaa or putta, or buudda. And yet no one seems to spell the name of the founder of Buddhism with all these variants.

Thai Rak Thai is how it's spelled, I rest my case. if you don't believe me, read the newspapers. unless you are going schizophrenic and starting to make your own language. 5555555555

You're right buddha can be spelled like booddaaaa or putta, or duudda. Thank god, you finally figure it out. Your skull is not too thick after all. Conglatulation, and don't forget to vote for Thai lak Thai on the next election.

They think he is but they were manipulated in such a way to make them think that Thaksin's crime can be pardoned. But it can not.

Are you blind, and so confused? With all of these discussions going around the past 2 days, I have never even once mentioned the party I'm supporting. I support PPP, samak party. But I want Thaksin to go to jail for the crime he commited. I told learner once. You can check out about this in my old post.

This starting to sound like a conspiracy theory that George Bush is an alien. It's obvious from your post that you support the opposing party.

no I support PPP, because my family had made milllions from samak's corruption on trash removal when he worked as Bangkok governor. We love samak, but we hate Thaksin.

I hope we understand each other better from now on.

ครับ ประชาชนแบบไหน ประเทศก็แบบนั้น เป็ดไม่มีทาง ออกลูกเป็นหงส์ ฉันใดก็ฉันนั้น

โดยส่วนตัว ผมไม่มีอะไรต่อต้านคนไทยภาคอื่นเลย เพียงแต่รับไม่ได้กับนักการเมืองบางจังหวัด เลยพาลรังเกียจคนเลือกไปด้วย

สำหรับพี่น้องอีสานที่ผมได้สัมผัส ผมรักและเคารพทุกคน ว่ากันตามตรง จะหาใครจริงใจ รัก เอื้อเฟื้อเผื่อแผ่ ต่อผู้อื่นเท่าพี่น้องอีสานนั้นไม่มี

หลายครั้งที่ผมประสบความลำบาก ขอความช่วยเหลือ จะได้รับอย่างปราศจากเงื่อนไข ด้วยความยิ้มแย้ม เต็มใจ และจริงใจ

บอกกันตามตรงนะครับ สิ่งเหล่านี้ หาไม่ได้จากคนใต้ แม้ว่าจะเป็นญาติพี่น้องกัน ถ้าคนตกในความลำบาก เพื่อนพี่น้อง แทบจะไม่มองเห็นคุณเลย

คนใต้มักจะมองคนด้อยกว่าด้วยความหยันเหยียด มองคนดีกว่าด้วยความหมั่นไส้และอิจฉา

ถ้าคุณจน อย่าหวังจะได้บัตรเชิญไปร่วมงานแต่งงาน

อาชญากรรมก็สูง ลักขโมยกันทุกวัน ตอนนี้ชาวสวนยางส่วนใหญ่ขายน้ำยาง แทนการทำยางแผ่น สาเหตุหนึ่งก็มาจาก การลักขโมยยางแผ่นที่เก็บไว้รอขาย

ราคาปาล์มที่กำลังสูง ทำให้มีข่าวการลักขโมยผลปาล์มดิบทุกวัน

การฆ่ากัน ก็มีสูง ส่วนใหญ่จะฆ่ากันระหว่างพี่น้องด้วยซ้ำ

คนใต้ไม่ได้ฉลาดหรือดีกว่าคนภาคอื่นเลย ในการเลือก สส

แต่บังเอิญที่มี สส อย่างนายชวนเป็นแกนนำ

ถ้าทักษิณ เนวิน สมัคร เป็นคนใต้

คนใต้ก็จะรักหัวปักหัวปำเหมือนกัน

ครับ ในขณะที่นักการเมืองสหรัฐbarack obama กำลังหาเสียง ด้วยการขจัดความแตกแยก แบ่งพรรคแบ่งพวก

แต่ประเทศเรากลับมุ่งไปสู่ความแตกแยก ที่ยากจะประสานเข้าทุกวัน

เศร้า เบื่อ เซ็ง ครับ

mark my word, Thaksin's days are numbered. I hope Khun samak would come to his sense, and put Thaksin behind bar asap.

oh yeah.

I love it when you guys fight! 5555 Its like a bunch of school girls doing a cat fight. Meow. Regardless of what you guys think or who is getting elected, people in my region will always be the same as usual, dirt poor and have no hopes for a better future. The military will always rule over us.

Friend,
If you don't mind me calling you friend. I have never seen you so upset before. You shock my system. I am your biggest fan in your debates of all times. We all have flaws but you still hold yourself together, right! Its ok, I still respect you. How about have a feww drinks and call it a break. Oh, thats right, Muslims don't drink. Well something to cool you down like ganja or something similar. Don't be mad, I am just kidding.

At this point in time, I wouldn't mind who got elected as the new PM as long as we can get rid of that stupid junta gov't. What a waste of one whole year... What a waste... Oh and plzzz NO MORE COUP!

I hope Frank, the puppeteer, comes back to face his trial quickly and get it all done with. The Thai judicial seems stable enough. Heck they even disbanded the TRT party, just to name one. I have fate in the Judicial where it stands in the middle. Put him and his accomplishers behind thick high concrete wall.

Kill the rooster to frighten the monkey. Then move forward like there's no tomorrow.

^
Well the judicial system is the last stand ,without that this is the hopeless country where the politician can think Once they elected by the "majority" they can get away with anything in Thailand.

What makes you think that the Thai military wont do the same thing again?

It's like this "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

If the newly elected government runs the country transparently and legitimately. I don't see why the Thai military would literally get off their asses and declare a coup again. All it takes is good old transparent and less corrupted government.

In my humble opinion, Samak would try to break loose from the strings attached to his every move by Frank the puppeteer. Reality is that Thaksin is inevitably going to stand on the trial and face his charges, no matter how much of an influence he has over the current government. He will be treated equally as everyone else in the court. If found guilty by the judges there is nothing Thaksin's subordinates can do.

The Thai people are watching carefully over this particular case. And if the former TRT, now PPP members tried to beat around the bushes and let him get away by any mean necessary, I think then you might see not only a coup but also the massive individuals force from around the country bashing these PPP d!ckheads for their evil deed.

The court's order is final. Oooo Judge Judy came to my head for a sec LOL.