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Dark_Goku
The common held belief is that Japanese is an isolate language and the people there are often considered related to Chinese (most often by ignorant white people). It was often considered by the Nazis that the Japanese were East Asian Aryans. Considering that Japanese is not an Indo-European language, that assessment holds little if any truth. But compelling evidence (for which you will hate me for not sharing) has shown a little bit more distant relative ancestory between the two groups.

Allow for me to explain:

It has been founded by many linguistics (namely Christopher Beckwith) that modern Japanese along with Ryukyuan (both which are Japonic languages) hold its most common bearing of ancestory with the ancient kingdom of Buyeo that once had existed on the Korean Peninsula. Simply noted that grammatical morphemes in Boyeo cognate with morphemes in similar function to that of Japanese, such as genitive -no and attributive -si.

This is the closest relative to the Japanese. The next closest relative, which is still alive are the Koreans. Creating a Buyeo-Koreanic Family with Boyeo and Koreanic as the two branches leading into present-day Japanese on one side and Korean on the other.

After Koreans, the next closest relative is the Altaic Family consisting of Northern Chinese Manchus, Turks, and Mongolians. From this relationship, we can draw out the Buyeo-Altaic Super Family. Which pretty much shows the distinction between Northern Asians and Northeast Asians to that of Middle Fareast Asians (Chinese) and other Asiantic groups.

But it doesn't end there... Altaic people happen to be related to Uralic and Indo-Europeans as part of the Eurasiatic group or clan that once existed 6,000 B.C. just North of the Caucasian Mountains of Russia. What it draws out is that not only are Japanese people distinctive of Chinese people, but that they are more closer related to White people.

Here is a bit of evidence to stand on these points and connections aside from the Buyeo-Japanese one I've made above:

* Japanese with Korean relation was founded by Samuel E. Martin and Roy Andrew Miller in late 1960's afte finding a a high degree of typological similarity in grammar and sharing a number of the same phonological cognates.

* Japanese with Turkic and Mongolian relation was founded by Sergei Starostin from such components as sharing some of the same prefix words as in yak- (to burn in both Turkish and Japanese) and kir- (to cut in both Turkish and Japanese).

*Japanese with Eurasiatic. If Japanese is related to Turkic and Mongolian, then it is automatically an Eurasiatic language. As for Altaic-Indo European relations, Merritt Ruhlen, Allan Bomhard, and most of all Joseph Greenberg has been founded through route of migration pattens from examined from pre-historic sites in what is now much of Russia.

To simply note it out. The Eurasiatic people were seperated into three clans. One had traveled to the the far east becoming the Japanese, Turks, and Mongolians. The second had stayed pretty much where it was and later moved out westward, southward, and a little bit North becoming the Slavs, Iranians, Indians, Greeks, Germans, Celts, and Italic people (Romans). The final clan was located between the two and had seperated into Inuits and Uralic people sometime around 2,000 B.C.

As for skin color, that is based on what you eat, how much sunlight you obtain, and how long your ancestors have lived in a particular area. The Oliveness in East Asians is quite clear understanding of a lifestyle choice of drinking less water. Anyone who lives in a desert, except for a few like Navajos and Blacks have olivish skin. And white people have such light skin because of the environment in Europe that had played on their ancestors for 2 to 3 thousand years.

I hope that explains it to yall.
krnfirebat
korean is the most related to the altaic languages out of korean and japanese. korean is a buyeo language, which was developed from the goguryeo, baekje and silla languages to form the modern korean language. japanese is very similar to korean in linguistic classification (grammar type is SOV) but it has its own unique writing system.
2nd2none
I thought you were talking about the MMORPG Lineage..
Ecthelion
QUOTE(2nd2none @ Feb 3 2008, 01:50 AM) [snapback]3468942[/snapback]
I thought you were talking about the MMORPG Lineage..

Nice one... completely destroyed the seriousness of this BS thread.

Yes, Japanese are Asian Aryans, they will rule the world one day with the German masters they worship so much. BANZAI and SIEG HAIL
mememe
This is probably the zillionth time I see this theory circulate the AF forum.
ChinaSoldier
he just wants any excuse to avenge his hero Hitler.
tacher
You see, just the atitude of Japanese screams flamebait anywhere anytime they open their mouths. Japanese have nothing better to do then invade other countries, promote racial superiority and commiting one holocaust upon another just the same old stuff the Japanese always do.
mememe
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You see, just the atitude of Japanese screams flamebait anywhere anytime they open their mouths. Japanese have nothing better to do then invade other countries, promote racial superiority and commiting one holocaust upon another just the same old stuff the Japanese always do.



how you know dark goku is a japanese and not a japanophile ? or japanese wannabe
tacher
The Japanese always talk like that online. whether or not he is japanese or not doesn't matter. what matters is that even real Japanese seem to favor anyone's view that favors positivley for Japanese no matter how PC it may be. Japanese welcome attention of even extremists. japanese like to feel special so any worship is welcome, this makes Japanese feel superior. I have not seen a Japanese online that doesn't speak like an extremist.
mememe
QUOTE(tacher @ Feb 7 2008, 05:12 PM) [snapback]3480398[/snapback]
The Japanese always talk like that online. whether or not he is japanese or not doesn't matter. what matters is that even real Japanese seem to favor anyone's view that favors positivley for Japanese no matter how PC it may be. Japanese welcome attention of even extremists. japanese like to feel special so any worship is welcome, this makes Japanese feel superior. I have not seen a Japanese online that doesn't speak like an extremist.



well you have seen too many japanophiles.
tacher
Um... I am saying its the Japanese that are history denying, racist extremists. I am not accusing Japanophiles of anything. The poor OP is only and probably drugged by right-winged Japanese to sound like this. The mission of a Japanese is to break morale of others so there master plan can be achieved
mememe
tacher

which ethnicity do you belong to ?
tacher
I belong to the non-japanese ethnicity. And non-japanese, as long as you are non-japanese, the japanese will never view you as equal.
Dark_Goku
here is a visual representation of the distinction between Northwestern Boreals. You can see the evolution of English and Japanese from a common ancestory if you look at it from left to right, up to down for English or right to left, down to up for Japanese.



Why do Japanese, Koreans, Manchus, and Mongolians look so different from other Eurasiatic people? It is because of the Gobi desert they had to cross to get to where they are right now. And as for English look so much more redder compare to other "White people," it is because they are part celtic. There were celtic people that had lived in Britain prior and during the time of Roman occupation. When the Anglo-Saxons came, most of them intermarried with the celts creating the English. Anglo-Saxons had originally looked German, which to the right of the English girl's picture. By the way all the images are that of girls.

QUOTE(tacher @ Feb 7 2008, 05:12 PM) [snapback]3480398[/snapback]
The Japanese always talk like that online. whether or not he is japanese or not doesn't matter. what matters is that even real Japanese seem to favor anyone's view that favors positivley for Japanese no matter how PC it may be. Japanese welcome attention of even extremists. japanese like to feel special so any worship is welcome, this makes Japanese feel superior. I have not seen a Japanese online that doesn't speak like an extremist.


Lol I'm Taiwanese. I could care less about the Japanese, I'm sorry, but my people were vicciously persecuted and genocided might I even say by the Japanese. So don't give me this crap about me being "Japanese" or a "Japanophile" (better known as Weeaboos). And as for why I'm not such a Japanophobic nuttjob as yourself, well the Buddhism that my parents raised me in teaches christian values such as forgive, forget, and get over it. Tsk... what kind of Buddhism were you raised under? Fo Guang Shan?

You sir are a racist and an extremist by your own point of view concerning people who are just trying to bring up a conversation. And why should my talk about the ancestory of Japanese people be so alarming to you. Of course the Japanese are racist. But if you could trace a lineage with German nazis, then wouldn't it start making sense? If you say no then I was right about you, because you are too much of an extremist to even agree with yourself.

And also, if you dislike Japanese people so much then why sir are you even here? Just trying to spur up some flame wars?
xeemlauj
I thought the Japanese are mix between the people of Jomon and Yayoi period? what about the people of Hokkaido? are they Jomon and Yayoi? Or are they all the same?

I know the Ainu are austronean. Many Japanese are mix with Ainu which is why you have some hairy Japanese, big eyes dark skin looking Japanese. The real Ainu look more like today papua new guinea. Today, all Ainu are mix with something else.

Many Japanese claim Mongolian Ancestry.

Japanese = Sumo <= fat men on diaper
Mongolian = some kind of wrestling.. i forgot the name.
Turk = turkish oil wrestling.. lol


I noticed Japanese culture is influenced by Han Dynasty from China from stone architect housing to clothings. normally, japanese built houses with woods due to the fact that japan is a volcanic and earthquake country...

krnfirebat
no $hit the japanese are mostly yayoi but it depends where you go.

if you go to hokkaido you will see more ainu people,

ainu language is nearly extinct, and the ainu are probably pacific islanders by their looks

japanese claim mongolian ancestry but its not entirely true

the imperial line of japan is part baekje lineage, which is the same lineage from goguryeo

however not many japanese are baekje descendants, most are chinese and korean immigrants before these times

chinese does not make up most of the japanese though.....
wonda51

I think some of them might come from Buyeo Kingdom by way of Wu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyeo_%28state%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_%28region%29

However, wajin was not from Kudara
Buyeo tribe,they went south so that it might search for the prolific land 3000years ago.

they arrived southern part of Yangtze River
wajin,They became agricultural people there.
太白 became a king who had a related with king of Xia Dynasty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xia_Dynasty

BC770、 he founded of a nation '呉”
it might say, he bundled Wajin, Buyeo and descendants of Xia..

However , BC473, 呉 was destroyed by
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yue_%28state%29

some of them might escape to Ryukyu ,land of Aiunu and kyusyu..

Kimis
Holly crap! there is nothing special about Jomon or Yayoi era!

The name Jomon & yayoi comes from the pottery that archaeologists found from Japan.

Jomon is aka Juelmun in Korea, where both Japanese & Korean archaeologists founded almost identical earthwares (potter) and Yayoi is aka as Mumun in Korea.

The Japanese Jomon people may looked different due to long isolation and different diets as to their Yayoi people since Yayoi were farming culture.

The farming culture came from Sth China --> Nth China --> Korea --> Japan, there is some small percentage of possibility that farming cultires may have came directly from Sth China to Korea or japan directly, but by analyzing the farming equipment this proven very low possibility.

During the Jomon period, Japan was largely inhabited by various hunters & gatherers from various backgrounds, some were Polynesian origins, Siberian tribes from Nth, Eskimo and Ainu tribes.

However, the wars, famine, population growths allowed people from Korean peninsula to travel far as Japan, where many indigenous people were push back to Northern islands and Southern islands, creating generation gap between original pioneers. The new pioneers came with more advanced techs and ideas eventually allow new arrivals to populate the Japanese Archipelago. The same thing can be study from Australia & Americas, where are the natives gone to?

If you guys look at Japan, by proximity of their location, logically they falls under NE Asia rather than SE Asia or Siberia. It's lot easier to travel from Korea to Japan and visa versa. Btw, the yayoi potteries founded from Japan are identical to those founded in Korean peninsula and also NE China. Suggesting, culture have passed from NE China to Korea then to Japan.

Base purely on archaeological foundlings & cultural sites of both NE China, Korean peninsula & Japanese Archipelago are almost identical or displays very close similarities. Even, their human genes & human migration patterns shows almost similar or belongs to same group.

I can't believe you guys couldn't tell between "period" and "people". There is no such thing is Jomon race or yayoi race.

Btw, different tribal groups will display different DNA sequence that doesn't mean that they are different people, I'll bet even you guys have totally different ancestors with begun with.
krnfirebat
People get confused that just because Japan is a relatively small country that it is homogenous (in terms of genetics).

Central Japanese (Honshu) look like a mixture of Koreans and Chinese and I think this is evident when you look at the faces

Northern Japanese (Hokkaido) have most of Japan's Ainu people and the more common "Yayoi"

Southern Japanese look more Korean

The same goes for Korea, people often mistake Korea for being very homogenous

Southwestern and Central Koreans have significant Mongolian admixtures

Southeastern Koreans look more Japanese

Northern Koreans look more Tungusic
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