I noticed that a lot of members actually stick to their native culture threads and don't wander off to say, off-topic. I think it'd be a good way to shoot the $hit with AF members who only visit culture sections.

Look at Indonesian Chat.


I bet 80-90% of the posts made in that Chat are off topic

^^ you beat me to it, but yeah, it's true.

an offtopic section would cut down on many regular members going offtopic on what's supposed to be legitimate topics.

maybe a just a coincidence, but it seems that those cultural sections with a very high average number of replies/number of topics ratio are the ones most likely to have offtopic posts.

Indonesian Chat offers a lot interesting threads.It's just that it seems to me that most of the posts weren't written in fluent English but bahasa Indonesian which is slightly(or more than slightly)different than Melayu thus I have trouble understanding them well.And members like GrandmasterC,furansizuka etc etc (and they are among those few that have the highest post count yet they are only posting in culture section) went off topic here and there.

Same could be said about malaysian chat. There are tons of members who start threads/ reply to threads in their native tongue and member's who aren't familiar with that language have problems understanding them.

Grandmaster C is around since February 2005 and has 2,111, that's what you call a high post count ?

Furansizuka is a member since September 2004 and has 10,453 posts. I have seen members who aren't even a member for a year and have as much posts as furansizuka.

What about members who DO visit the off topic section, but still go off topic in every other forum other than the off topic forum ? Members like Takashi, charlee, felltohell(+ her old account), tujue, P.Bredahl, Sonny angel, theng(+ her old accounts), canister, iMumble, who have a very high post count, mostly from going off topic in regular sections.

Why don't we convert all sections on AF into off topic sections ?

^ Stop going off topic.

Just to remind you in the case that you haven't realized it yet. You aren't logged in into the Lovewhiz account, but the Suijen account.

Plus my reply wasn't off topic.


It has a solution.

Hmm...Ben was thinking to scrap the serious topic sections from each cultural section; maybe when this happen, each cultural section could have an offtopic subforum, instead.

Yeah I know, I can see my posts. Creating an off-topic thread in the culture section provides a forum for culture section members to chat. The one thing I noticed in Chinese chat is that no one there chats with each other. It's all arguing, and having a thread like that will allow culture members to know each other better. It helps if they don't want to talk to anyone else who doesn't share their culture interests.

yeah, actually this could be a very good idea, so instead of arguing and flaming each other, they could chill and get to know each other, instead.

If that so-called "cultural off-topic" section has those pics that I want, I may go there. Otherwise, I see little point.

The non-cultural sections, such as "AF Lounge", already serve such a purpose. The very term "cultural off-topic" is itself hypocritical, as cultural topics aren't very "off".

Then again, if there is a cultural off-topic section where any controversial issues are banned in entirety, perhaps that would be a good idea. Still, controversies will nonetheless exist as to which issues are to be considered "controversial", to the extent that some lame @$$ troll would whine and b!tch about some historical drama and etc.

I don't think it would really help to decrease off topic posts. There is already an off topic sub-forum in the AF lounge section, yet members, who don't just stick to the culture forums, go off topic in the entertainment sections all the time.

I don't know how it should work for the culture forums, If it doesn't work for the entertainment forums.

When was that ?


Just start threads where chinese members could get to know each other better then, for instance a thread called "Chinese members, let's get to know each other better". << That was just a poor example btw.

Or just start threads like han2's threads in indo chat.

indochat, guess something about the person below you!

Indochatters what song/music are you listening to now?

Indochat, which other sites do you frequently visit?

Indochat, post of any silly/weird/odd/funny stories...

I'm not 100% sure If it's allowed to start such threads in the culture section though, since han2 warned other people for starting similar threads. Guess we need Ben's input about this here.

From what I have noticed,it's not rife in Malaysian Chat compared to how it is in Indonesian Chat.There are a few newbies that posted in their native tongue and some of us did communicate in Malay in certain threads like "Mamak".Malaysian Chat members also hardly interacted with each other in a more personal way.All they talked about was what I considered to be serious issues and it wasn't that active compared to other chats.
I always thought GrandmasterC had veryyyyy high post count along with another dude named...ana-what hmmm I couldn't remember his SN besides Furansizuka. I guess next time I should just do some searching first.
Hmm I don't go off-topic much.


EDIT:Which members who aren't here for one year yet have made as much posts as Furansizuka are u talking about?I just took a look at the Overall Top 20 Losers list and there isn't anyone like that.Those have higher post count than him are old timers.

Go ask the man yourself.


who did i warn for creating "similar" threads , or you meant i moved some threads which aren't specific to indochat? now creating personal threads are a different matter.
and if you feel that those threads are inappropriate, feel free to move them.

it's our sadness suijen, our sadness

the one thread with chinese chat is the chinese language one. but it's 75 freaking pages long and it's a mess.

And how many OLD indo members post in their native tongue regularly ? You can see some members make post in their native tongue here and then, but it's mostly the n00bs with 100 something posts who start threads in bahasa indonesia.

You mean Aranadhel, he has 8,099 posts, he joined in september 2005.

Boinky who has joined in June 2007 has 8403 posts, felltohell joined in August 2007 and has 6,238 posts, If you add the ones from her other account to it, it would be about 10,000, iMumble joined in June 2007 and has 6,744 posts.

You have warned people for continuously creating such threads in indo chat. They kept making them and said it was hypocritical of you to move their threads from indo chat, eventhough you yourself have made such threads and didn't move them.

why don't you back it up by printing out these people's warning log to show that i actually warn them for making threads similar to what i made.

meanwhile, like i said, feel free to move the ones i made.

LOL You handed out soo many warning to so many people, it would take me hours to find the right warning, I really don't have the time for such things. And I can't ask those members to post in here either, because they already left AF and post nowadays on an AF copycat forum called asian folks or something, which was created by a banned AF member. Even an indo member called purple, who is a mod, pretty much left AF because of a certain moderator.

Two wrongs dont make a right.

no, take your time, otherwise what you've just said in your earlier posts are just horse manure.

and it's funny that you say that some people are leaving af because of so and so...are you saying that people have no will of their own?

and who banned that person who created asia folks...

stop with the red herring, it would do all of us here much good.

I dont' think we have a problem with your suggestion of a Cultural Off-topic thread in every chat where folks can get to know each other better blah blah...

What we have a PROBLEM with is an over-zealous mod who makes it his business to warn for every slight infraction and mistakes and piss the forumers.

I have experienced that with han2 in Indochat. So have several other Indochatters. to this day, there is still complaints about his modding, just check this thread. It is a long story the chaos han2 created with his modding style in Indochat, for this reason, we are glad he's out of the Indochat modship.

Sorry no offence here. Just setting the record straight.

And yes! Let's have cultural off-topic whatever dumpster thread in every chat!!

what's wrong with posting in bahasa indonesia? nowadays the indochatters just talk english, rarely indonesian. indonesian posting used to improve my indonesian.
as long as the ratio is reasonable i dont see a problem (just a benefit for me )

i dont know where you got that info about me havin one of the highest post counsts




cultural off-topic subforums might be a good idea imo.
i never go outside indonesian chat cause i got no time for it and the AF lounge and other non-asian related subforums are filled with annoying retards.
just can handle few :b




imo me neither. i'm used to not goin too much off topic on another forum.
i always try to keep my off topic post count on a reasonable level.







man you're so full of hypocrisy. you live in your own reality.
why you are still a mod is still a mystery to me.
the indochatters left because of you, they came back because you left.
nothin to do with their "own will".

maybe people notice how most of your posts are offtopic, and neffing.


with this kind of attitude, you know if you venture outside of indochat, you'd probably be either ignored or get flamed back.


ORLY?? then what are these:

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...=8447&st=60
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...=8447&st=80
in a thread called "Chinese Temples In Indonesia, all pictures from www.kelenteng.com"

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...783&st=1700
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...783&st=1720
in a thread called "Agnes Monica, all abt her"

are you gonna try to say that these are on topic? and that's only your recent ones, and from only 2 threads.


and how you're free to go offtopic repeatedly, and neff as much as you like, knowing that it's against the rule, is beyond me.

the fact remains, when did i give a warning to any member including yourself, in indochat, when any member make similar threads to mine?

well i'm never "neffin", dont give a sh¡t about my post count.




well that was the conclusion i jumped in to when i ventured outside of indochat back in the day.
that's why i lost interest. people actin tuff and flamin n sh¡t.
getting flamed "back"? i dont flame.




well here's another surprise: you cant read
i said i try to keep off topic posts on a reasonable level.
i just saw my offtopic posts in these threads and imo that's just a few.
"a few" means a few, NOT none at all.




i'm NEVER neffin like i said, you think i'm an idiot or somethin?
up till now you're the only one who was getn extremely hard core anal about posting off topic.
like i said you live in your own world, discussin with you is impossible, one off topic post is already too much for you.
the way you act on this forum remains beyond me. doesnt it ring a bell when a sh¡tload of forum members complain about you?
fukk it even MODERATORS cant stand you.




cant recall, dont know if you did or i forgot. all i know is you moved them.
what i do recall is that you gave me warnings and even BANNED me for posting off topic while i wasnt even posting off topic in the first place.
it was off topic in your eyes.
i've read a complaint about you last week and you havent changed a bit.
you seriously got a problem or you just actin this way on this forum and laughin yer åss off.

What the hell.

i don't think there's any problem with it. let them have a place where they can state stuff that only make sense to people of their culture. if we are to be Nazi about it, why don't we make all cyrillic and chinese writing to english etc.

you habitually posts smilies and basically nothing at all.


the fact remains, calling anyone a retard is inflammatory.


in that case, you're either oblivious to yourself, or have very poor judgement.


nice try for trying to put words in my mouth.


what's there to discuss when one repeatedly going offtopic, the fact is it's against the rules.


i suggest you don't speak for others.


can't recall, or no, i didn't?
and all you have to do is lookup your warning log, and print it out to show that i warned people, in this case you, for making similar threads to mine.


you got banned in the first place because you kept going offtopic, even after being warned, and your warning level reached 100%.


some people just love to complain.

the fact is, it's not ok to make inflammatory post, what else is there to understand.

and making assumptions must be your hobby.

I remember more than one year ago when I was posting actively with another account of mine,it was GrandmasterC and Aranadhel what that neffed and went off-topic a lot. Their posts consisted of nothing but a few meaningless words or emoticons.And these two got under my skin coz they were so humourless.Aranadhel even flamed me for no reason.I think he was just obsessed with me. Later I heard that Aranadhel was banned.So sad He seriously needed a life outside AF and a real life gf.

funny sometimes i wander into the culture chats like indo and find members i didnt even know existed and theyve been members since like '05 with 1000+ posts, lol.

Why is there such a big need about getting people on Indochat not to talk shop and post emoticons that mean something to them, but not to an occasional lurker like Theng?

Why is there such a big need about getting people NOT to post in their native language and to get out of their culture chats into other chats?

What kind of talk is this?? Mod Nazism on the rise?

Why don't u mods juz chill out and let people be who they wanna be, what they wanna do and say??

An active and vibrant discussion forum needs the freedom to grow in an "organic" way - too many restrictions will stifle communication.
Like a strong tree, a strong forum needs a large variety of input, it's fair share of water, sunshine and nutrients, in order to continue growing.
If you do too much pruning you will kill it.

Moderation is needed to reign in some of the endless slug-fests, but the moderation emphasis should be on guidance and infusing topics with interest, rather than banning members.
To deal with the reality of the world, we all need a sense of humour.

Oh please, what some people call as off-topic postings might be the only reason why a chat is still alive and kicking. As long as they don't go to the extreme, there's no need to restrict them.

The thing with han2 is, he's uber sanctimonious. He's to anal with the rules sometimes, but only to people that he has personal sentiment to. I mean he gave me 33% warning for saying "dumbo" and "idiot", totally ignoring the fact that I was provoked. And whatever happened to "verbal warning"? I see a lot of people saying worse things than those, and all they got are verbal warning. Or this kind of attitude reserved for Indonesian Chat members only, han2?

If saying such trifle words made me deserving of the 33% warning, fine by me. But then you have to give the others who said similar and worse things the same treatment. That would surely send AF to ghost town. At 1st, I avoid making a direct attack on han2 as I was still trying to think positively about him (hey, maybe he simply wants order, discipline is good right? it's a good thing that there's still a man of justice around, etc etc), but now I really question his right to be in the mod position. He's obviously disturbed and has a personal grudge against us, not a very good quality for a mod

Another thing, what's wrong with staying in one forum only? There are members who came to AF only to be all fan-girly in forums such as entertainment, and nobody bothers with them. Not that I have anything against the idea of Cultural Off-topic, but I don't feel the actual need for it. I mean, what's the meaning of cultural off-topic anyway?

(i hope the topic starter doesnt mind me goin on with this dicsussion otherwise just delete or move it.
the reason i continue is because this is a very rare phenomenon. see this han2 entity never used to reply my posts :b)



so?
imo it was not too much. nothin wrong btw if it's done ocasionally.



so?
i'm not naming names.
the world is loaded with retards. you're sayin there arent any on this forum?
wake up.




according to you i neff.
you must be an idiot to want a high post count. hence my rhetorical question.




seriously i'm getn tired of this. arent you getn tired of yerself?
you have yer own definition of "repeatedly", "habitually", etc.




like i said before, you banned me cause in your eyes it was off topic.
you gave me 100% while i was talkin about the topic itself.
btw you were eager to give me a perm ban and eventually you did.
imo the temp ban i got was unjust, so i made another account.
instead of warning me about this, you just gave me a perm ban.




i dont make assumptions.
but YOU just did.
i'm just makin sense by usin common sense.




no, you're the one who is ignorant. the problem is you cant get it to yer brain that this is a subjective matter.
you see things they way you want to see them.





are you tryin to seduce me?
why do you keep mentioning my name?
i dont see what the problem is, you complain about me, but you arent even active in the indo chat.
if you dont like what you see then leave the indo chat alone.

entity eh...
You mean going offtopic? That’s your trademark, lol…
Since you’re obviously under the impression that you should be able to do anything you want at AF, and that when you break the rules, it should be OK, since everything, including rules, are subjective according to you, there’s no more point in me responding to you after this.
The only reason I responded up to now, is because I gave you the benefit of the doubt, thinking that you might actually be a sensible guy who could listen to reason, obviously I was wrong.
Btw, it would be a good idea to stop calling others as retards, doing that really shows off your ignorance.

That is laughable.
Writers who are constructive should be encouraged by the admin and mods.
If moderators want to enforce the rules of fair speech, then they should try offering some guidance to the flamers in topics such as this. When a topic turns into a torrent of abuse and members tell each other to "get the fcuk off AF", I believe that some moderation is warranted.

BAH!

Bloody used to the lawlessness in Mongol chat by now

no you have me confused with aran.




hahahahahhaha jesus christ.
you dont get my point but i'm not surprised. that's not what i said/meant at al.
let's see if someone else udnerstands me, perhaps another moderator.



the problem is we live in different worlds. that's why it's impossible for us to discuss with each other.
one of us have to take the red pill.




take it and shove it.

Well thanks for mentioning my name for several times in here Why do I hesitate to wander around other forums? because maybe what other peeps think they're off-topic chats, for me and indochat members they're the other way around. AFAIK Indochat is more lively and warm with their topics compare to other forums. What's the aim of making the forums? IMO forum should make the members feel happy and comfortable. We can't force someone to wander off, even mods shouldn't fuss about this light chitchat because this kinda chat makes the members bound to each other and loyal to AF.
And I agree with Pun187, most of indochat members have the backup forum called asiafolk when something bad happens just like in the past when the power abuse was used by han2. We came back after he's out of indochat modship.
Sorry no offense here too, just setting the record straight too like sista Wizy

exactly, seems like a thread made by the OP asking whether creating an offtopic thread in cultural sections is allowed or not, has been steered into another moaning thread.
Closing this, as OP has now made an offtopic/rt thread.