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Yes, because you imagine other people.

There are no sins.

The goblin king is not pleased. If you have ever masturbated , enjoy being tortured in hell by the dark elve mages.

yes, you will go to hell and burn for masturbating....also it causes blindness

My dear lovely people it's not about me. It is about fu-kin masturbation

yes and that's why I never do it..............

i trust you

what's masturbation?

I think that's the real question for us normal people........

No, why would it be?

Supposably fornication is a sin, but the bible says nothing about self-fornication.

THAT'S A GOOD ONE!!

dinosaurs died because you touch yourself at night

I think masturbation is linked to lust on the philosophical end.

But for some masturbation is not a sin if it is not done frequently and depending on the context of the fantasy.

So, the issue of quantitative and qualitative factors can arise.

Is masturbating to thoughts of J-Lo's a** 3 times a day a sin? What about once a week?

Is masturbating to thoughts of raping 7 year old children a sin? What about masturbating to the thought of "snuff" fantasies (killing people)?


For some the issue is not a matter of "sin" as a concept and has more to do with mental health issues and social adjustments. 16 to 40ish year old males that masturbate daily to heterosexual or homosexual fantasies are thought to be normal for the male sex due to testosterone, I believe in the eyes of psychiatrists. Though I think psychiatrists consider it abnormal for males of that same age range to masturbate say.... 7 times a day (to throw a random number out there).

The fact that almost all of us masturbate makes it normal in my opinion. Does it make it right? I have no idea. Maybe it depends on variables or context? Is a guy jerking off rather than cheating on his wife good or bad? How sinful is it for a person who rarely or never gets sex or physical intimacy to masturbate? I think many variables and context must be taken into account.

I think economic constructs that send millions to bed hungry and or malnutritioned are much graver sins and practical concerns than beating-off to J-Lo, trannies, threesomes, or the fantasy of taking a dildo up your a**. But hey! That's just my opinion.

Sin?
The Ten Commanments can be broken down into two groups.
One is sin against God. Such as worshiping false idols.
Two is sin against fellow man. Such as coveting thy neighbors wife.
So, if one masturbates, it isn't a sin aganst God.
And, it isn't a sin against fellow man.
The only thing it can be (if it is a sin) against yourself.
But, then wouldn't tattoes be also a sin?
Or, eating good food?
Things that give you pleasure would fall into the same catagory.

just kill me, will you?

fu-k the bible.

And fu-k the Koran and Torah while you're at it.

^ *claps

+1
(just like resi)

Yeah, I think so as well.

Though why lust is even considered a sin, I have no idea.

Bible says....Sin.
Question answered.

wh6 use the bible?
not everybody believes in it

Does the Bible state it that clearly for practicing Christians, Jews and Muslims? The anti lust message is there for sure. But is it lust if you masturbate thinking about a spouse who is away?

The one story on subject that I can think of off the top of my head suggest that the sin was not the masturbation but rather a man disobeying God and refusing to become the husband for his brother's widow. Choosing to pull out and masturbate rather then father a child.

you think the bible is logical?

lol

The word "sin" implies the religious context.
To use it then try and remove it from religion is seriously moronic.

sin??? as in the biblical sense? then yes...

This is what Jesus says about adultery in Matthew 5:27-30:

27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

so if you're jerking off while watching porn, i guess that's a no no in the Bible

well there's Qoran..

but seriously though 'sin' has a moral context too...
and morality does not always go with divine laws....

That's even more emphatic about it.

...and where does morality generally have its roots?

Universally accepted ideas of right an wrong that are completely independent of religion.

Hence we don't have mass amounts of atheist running around killing babies and masturbating while they do it.

Religion revolves around morals, not the other way around.

Name a moral society without it's roots in religion...
You don't have to be a member of the religion to take your moral leanings from the religious beginnings of a society.

Anarchism?

If people believe something, they put it into practice and say it's in the name of god/ religion to justify it. The KKK believe minorities are sub-human and they put that into their own systems. I've yet to find anything in the bible that says anything about white supremacy.

UFO religions... Really... that is stuff those people come up with off the top of their heads and call it a religion.

I'm not saying most people aren't exposed to and acquire moral beliefs from religious backgrounds and upbringing. What I'm saying is religions come from people saying "this is what we believe, and we're going to run with that and call it a religion."

hey guys don't be sad, i heard that after wanking all you need to do is recite 3 Holy Maries and you shall be forgiven every time that works right lol

Sin as I understand it - through Catholic concept of that term - can be simplified down to preference or action to a "lesser good." In other words eating is good but gluttony is a lesser good (not total absence of good) than eating to maintain a healthy body. Sex is good but forcible rape is a lesser good of the good essential in the act of sex.

I don't have a cathechism around me at the moment so I'll post a link of New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia. But keep in mind this is an old encyclopedia and source of information. The enteprise of theology is "faith seeking understanding" so not only is the deductive reasoning of philosophy utilized, but technological and scientific progress constantly requires evolution within theology. Like a modern automechanic dealing with computerized cars... constant reeducation and updates are needed - the same is true for any scientist or philosopher or theologian. These are highly intellectualized fields with their own jargon and constant attempts to keep pace with new emerging information, discoveries, and ideas that they are not professions that generally appeal to the "average man" who simply prefers a cold beer and simple answers.

The reduced, simple answer, for sin is it is a "lesser good."

New Advent (sin)

Excerpt.


New Advent (lust)

Excerpt.

So basically... let me know if I'm wrong, it's a matter of degrees.

So thinking about a person you like and whacking off would be what, as compared to actually fornicating with that person?

Good question. I don't have the answer.

All I know is - ideally - one is suppose to strive for improvement and ultimately self-mastery. Though, at least as far as Catholicism is concerned, it does not expect most people to obtain that, hence the confessional box.

You're asking for the impossible here. Religions have a head start of 3000 years? Atheist/agnostics are a minority. We comprise of what 5% of the population, so we can't just take over society without some blood. I don't take my moral leanings from religion, but from not wanting to do harm to others. I don't think it takes religion to make you a better person.


Sorry to hijack your thread, UCP, and if the sin you're talking about is outside of the religious context: Nothing that gives you so much pleasure can be a sin. The only reason that people say that it's a sin is to make you feel guilty.

This is when you're talking about adultery that makes lust a sin.
If both parties are single then where is the adultery? Thus,
Lusting after a woman is just not sin.

It ain't your right hand that's the cause ... Its your thing ....
You really have to stop taking things out of context.

what a violent jesus -_-

well of course it's not going to say "thou shall not jerk off" in the Bible...

jesus took two loaves in his hand and five fish and broke them and fed thousands...........

i take my own fishy bread in my hand and try to break it, in honour of him.

I hope it's not a sin. LOL!! Imagine: ''Heaven, population: 25 souls.''

for some cultures, philosophy and ideals do..

LOL, pretty much!

babies masturbate; therefore:

Heaven, population 0 souls.

I don't think Aerain masturbates. If he did, he might have let go of some of that AF/ WM frustration by now.

i think i have a mission

oh shiet!!!

There are some who teach that it does. Beyond not lusting thus commiting adultary in your heart in order to get erect in the first place. They point to the story of Onan in Genesis 38:8-10 who withdrew to finish and prevent having a child with his brothers widow. Some call masturbation the sin that caused the Lord to kill Onan. Others say it was his disobiediance and refusal to be a proper husband.