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Chinese DesertFox
First PLA thread had 1,994 replies and 77,697 views, easily the most popular military thread on AF. It can be found here.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=101902

Righto, let's continue.

More People's Armed Police.



















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ChinaSoldier6
If CCTV 是人 they will release images of PAP fu-king around in Tibet soon. biggthumpup.gif
lilzz




Firefighting Tank.
They need some of those esepcially against the likes of rioting arsonists in tibet.




ChinaSoldier6
I don't know why that "fire tank" is in Xi'an, a Han city that never had violence, instead of Lhasa, a city that has a history of disturbances and violence going back to 1959!
lilzz
Xian is one the major defense industry city. The firefighting tank is built by Xian.





ChinaSoldier6
Well it's actually owned by Xi'an fire department, according to the painted words.

I guess it would be more to put out forrest fires due to the all terrain ability. For crowd wheeled vehicle is much better.
MrShao
i have a stupid idea:

china owe to commission Shaolin temple monks as a riot-control unit, especially monks on monks. so it wouldn't look bad on camera. armed police vs monks = bad idea.
ChinaSoldier6
LOL that would be so hilarious, so bruce lee, all the fu-kers will forget to complain
MrShao
anytime china raise her arms, west will criticize (no matter what)

Let shaolin 18 bronze warriors take care of those looters.

plus un-armed shaolin monks Vs thugs with knife and sticks.

hhahah
Suijen
I would have thought the PAP would use more SMGs than Assault Rifles.
ChinaSoldier6
I just love the idea actually. It's so hilarious, and it could actually work!

Have the formation with shaolin in soft body armour in the front, back row are riot police, behind them PAP with assault rifles. Behind PAP are prisoner buses and ambulances.

The PAP will shoot any rioter with knives. The rest are for the monks to take down. The riot police follows the monks and arrests rioters after they are beaten to the ground.

Have like eight cameras that film the whole thing from different angles.

Riot solved, China image skyrockets!!

Chinese DesertFox
Please stay on topic.
xuanzang
Salute to PAP, and PLA, they are the iron fist of our country, and they will crush any seperatist insects that dare to challenge our national integrity.
lilzz
PM /w WWII style.



Red Fox Ace
Just curious, why was the first PLA thread shut down in the first place? (they didn't want it to go past 100 pages?)
Suijen
^ Yes
Red Fox Ace
PLAAF may like this paint scheme. icon_wink.gif


Chinese DesertFox
U.S. Can't Stop Chinese Missile; No Tests 'Til 2014
By Noah Shachtman April 04, 2008
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/04/us-cant-stop-ch.html
The U.S. Navy can't stop China's most sophisticated anti-ship missile -- and won't even start testing a defense until 2014.

"Most anti-ship cruise missiles fly below the speed of sound and on a straight path, making them easier to track and target," notes Bloomberg News' Tony Capaccio. Not China's so-called "Sizzler" missile, already aboard eight Kilo-class submarines.

The Sizzler starts at subsonic speeds. Within 10 nautical miles of its target, a rocket-propelled warhead separates and accelerates to three times the speed of sound, flying no more than 10 meters (33 feet) above sea level. On final approach, the missile 'has the potential to perform very high defensive maneuvers,' including sharp-angled dodges, the Office of Naval Intelligence said in a manual on worldwide maritime threats.

The Navy doesn't have a test target that can mimic how the Sizzler flies. They haven't even "picked a contractor to develop the test target," Capaccio notes. Industry proposals for building the target missile were received in February and a contract valued at about $107 million will be awarded by Oct. 1 for a 54-month development phase and first fielding by 2014."

Admiral Timothy Keating, who heads the U.S. Pacific Command, told the House Armed Services Committee last month that “we are currently not as capable of defending against that missile as I would like.”

(Illustration: Air Power Australia)


Related link: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/04/us-cant-stop-ch.html
Chinese DesertFox
WZ-10 already in service?

Chinese DesertFox
15th Airborne Corps.




WarEngineer
^looks like the bag of stuff is hanging off the guy's penis ehhhk!


anyway, on a more serious note. the olympics is really going to challenge the skills of the police task forces in china this time.
i hope they stop every single terrorist attempt.

Chinese DesertFox
Defense minister says China seeking to deepen military ties with Russia
The Associated Press
Published: April 7, 2008
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/07/...hina-Russia.php
BEIJING: China on Monday hailed a new military hot line with Russia as a sign of strengthened cooperation, in sharp contrast with sluggish efforts to set up a similar link with Washington.

The hot line with Moscow "reflects the level of political trust and strategic coordination between the two countries," state media quoted Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie as telling the visiting chairman of the Russian parliament's defense committee.

The link, which opened March 14, will be "helpful for our two nations to coordinate on important issues so as to promote military ties," Liang told Victor Zavarzin, chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee.

Russia-China military links have moved beyond arms sales in recent years to incorporate joint anti-terrorism drills and border protection exercises. Much of that progress has come within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, a loose alliance of Central Asian states dominated by Beijing and Moscow.

Attempts by the U.S. military to improve ties with China have struggled amid mutual suspicion and disagreements over U.S. arms sales to Taiwan and other knotty issues. While Beijing committed to a hot line with the Pentagon almost a year ago, U.S. officials say it has been delayed by technical problems.

Other details of Zavarzin's agenda were not known and spokesmen for the Russian Embassy in Beijing could not immediately be reached for comment.

However, Russia's arms industry has lobbied hard for help stemming a precipitous drop in weapons sales to China caused in part by quality and technology issues, but also by improvements in China's own defense research and development.

Chinese DesertFox
Chinese DesertFox
Type 99 MBT.

Chinese DesertFox
I can't remember if I've posted this before.

QUOTE
Xian H-8 Chinese Stealth bomber
According to the “Fenghuang Tower” the H-8 is reported to start trial flights from January 5th. The Chinese leadership including the Central Military Committee officers, air force logistics department officer, national defense science and industry committee, Xi’an deputy mayor, the provincial party committee assistant deputy secretary, amongst others were present for inaugurating the project.
The H-8 is a secret strategic bomber, is the first stealth plane for China. The report said that, in 1994 officially set up a development to match the American B-2A as far as possible. The weapons load is targeted around 18 tons. When necessity, the bomber may travel at 1.2 Mach to penetrate defended territory or in case it needs to escape.

The bomber will carry a new stealth cruise missile. It also has the range to reach targets on the continental United States. Range is estimated to be up to ten thousand kilometers. It is unclear whether this is with refueling or without refueling. However, the bomber is said to be able to refuel. The aircraft uses domestically produced advanced navigation equipment. The bomber has been designed by the 603 institute, and Xian will be responsible for producing the bomber. The bomber will be the first domestically designed and manufactured strategic bomber.

According to the report, the H-8 uses a high-tech blended wing-body design, has fly-by-wire controls, and an angled fuselage. The wing has massive internal fuel tanks. The aircraft using carbon fiber and other composite materials. The weapons bay has a rotating weapons profile.

The bomber retains a terrain hugging capacity and has a terrain following and mapping radar, satellite data links and advanced digital mapping systems. The bomber also uses advanced stealth technologies including nanometer coating amongst other technologies.

The H-8 will have 4 turbo-fan engines, the core of which is based on the WS-10A. Weapons will include 12 “red birds” (??) or 3 cruise missiles distribute in two weapons bays. Each of the cruise missiles may use a nuclear warhead and can fire from a distance of 3,000 kilometers. It can also use a host of other weapons including laser guided “thunder stone” 6, satellite guidance bomb and anti-ship missile, amongst others.

The H-8 bomber was a Chinese military aircraft that was a possible successor to the Xian H-6 twin-engine jet bomber. The prototype aircraft was reported to be an enlarged version of the H-6 with underwing engines, but that the project was canceled in the early 1970s before the bomber went into production. the China military has a stealth bomber called Xian H-8. The bomber has 4 Ws-10A engines derived from Russian and US technology. It is made from carbon fiber and coated with special nanotechnology. well, the Xian H-8 has a max speed of Mach 1.2 and carries stealth missiles in its cargo bay. The bomber also can carry nuclear missiles. China is currently developing stealth fighters like J-XX and J-13 (which is based on the J-10).
It is the world’s second Stealth bomber, and is more advanced than the American B-2. Because the project is top-secret, little is known about the aircraft. It is a Stealth, strategic, and heavy bomber rolled into one. It carries a crew of two. It could fly as fast as Mach 1.4, has a range of 11,000 kilometers (without refuelling), and can carry over 18 tonnes of bomb load. It can carry twelve Stealth cruise missiles (each with a range of 3,000 km) on each of the two weapons bays. It could carry an additional three nuclear missiles (350-kilotons each). The bomber will be mass-produced and will enter active service in the PLAAF by 2010. The bomber will replace the old H-6 bombers that the PLAAF have in active service.

For obvious reasons the actual bomber may look slightly different because the pictures may have been camouflaged to hide the details of true design of the Chinese plane. This is standard operating procedure for new secret weapons. A similar obfuscating tactic was adopted by the American DoD before the Stealth B-2 bomber was introduced to the public. Prototype models of the B-2 had all sorts of designs.


Currently China's H-6 fleet has a combat radius of only 2,000km. This is insufficient to reach the Strait of Malacca; well short of Guam, which is at least 3,000km from the nearest point on the Chinese mainland; and totally incapable of patrolling deep into the Indian Ocean. The Gulf of Aden is more than 4,000km away.

PLAAF therefore has a requirement for a long range bomber with the capability of projecting power along China's energy corridor. That means it must have an unrefueled combat radius of around 5,000km. Something like the Tu-22M3 should suffice as far as the range requirement is concerned. Certainly greater payload and above all survivability would be prefered.
Chinese DesertFox
China continues nuclear armament buildup

HONG KONG, China, China's stockpile of intermediate-range ballistic missile nuclear warheads should by no means be ignored. The People's Liberation Army's strategy of keeping a balance between its nuclear and conventional capabilities, or focusing on nuclear capability, as a matter of fact refers to these IRBMs and some short-range ballistic missiles.
It can be generally believed that the implementation of this strategic principle means each IRBM can be potentially armed with one nuclear warhead. The upgraded DF-25 and DF-21M IRBMs are very likely armed with multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles, aimed at deterrence of India, Japan and Guam.

At present, the DF-3 IRBM is still in service, and the deployment of the DF-21M has been accelerated. Meanwhile, China has also developed a new type of DF-25 IRBM, which is also called the DF-21C.

The main missile brigades armed with DF-21M IRBMs include the No. 808 and No. 816 brigades. Some say that the No. 806, No. 810, No. 816, No. 807 and No. 811 brigades are all armed with these missiles. It is generally believed that one IRBM brigade is equipped with 16 launchers, thus there are no less than 112 launchers within at least seven such IRBM brigades.

Naturally, the number of nuclear warheads in these IRBM brigades should also be equivalent so as to implement the PLA strategy of putting priority on nuclear systems.

The explosive yield of IRBM nuclear warheads falls into two types, the strategic nuclear warheads and campaign tactical nuclear warheads. The explosive yield of these IRBMs should be between 100,000 tons and 500,000 tons.

It is said that China's SRBM brigades have increased to nine, that is, the brigades numbered from 815 to 823. Each SRBM brigade controls 27 launchers. Of course the SRBMs directed at Taiwan are mostly armed with conventional warheads. In recent years, however, whenever cross-Strait relations experienced turbulence, Chinese military publications would boast of the effectiveness of their neutron bombs. This can be interpreted to mean that the nuclear deterrence against Taiwan and the United States is becoming integrated.

Calculating on the basis of nine SRBM brigades and 243 launch vehicles, the possibility cannot be excluded that a small number of neutron bombs have been deployed to deter Taiwan forces and the U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups.

The success of the H-6K bomber test flight and the deployment of the first-generation CH-55 cruise missile have laid the material foundation for China to establish three-dimensional nuclear strike capability. The previous version H-6 bomber armed with nuclear bombs only had symbolic deterrence. Each H-6K is armed with 6 CH-55 cruise missiles. It is not known how many H-6Ks will eventually be deployed, but it would require a whole brigade of the bombers to have effective air-based nuclear deterrence strength.

In other words, the number of air-based nuclear warheads would be at least around 60. Of course these warheads are new types and are intended to solve the problem of warhead minimization. In this regard, China has been experimenting for many years. In addition, the H-6 and even a small number of Q-5 attackers can all carry small nuclear bombs. These bombers have been under operational deployment since the China-Soviet Union standoff.

At present, China has no less than 20 air-launched nuclear weapons. The nuclear warheads fitted on the new cruise missiles belong to campaign tactical warheads with an explosive yield below 20,000 tons.

Generally speaking, the estimate of the West concerning China's nuclear warheads, including strategic warheads and campaign tactical warheads, over the years is 300 to 400. With the above ICBMs and long-range cruise missiles entering service, China's total nuclear warhead arsenal is expected to increase by two to three times in the immediate five to eight years, to approximately 600 to 900 pieces.

The 50 DF-31As, 60 JL-2s and 27 DF-5As can at least carry 411 nuclear warheads. The cruise missile warheads carried by H-6K bombers will also be at least 60, plus the warheads for 112 IRBMs and a few dozen SRBMs. The number of nuclear warheads fitted on these new missiles alone will reach 593.

The U.S. military has always been suspicious that China has made an imitation version of the 475-kt W88 MIRV, noting that from 1975 to the early 1990s there were as many as 85 Chinese scholars visiting the Los Alamos National Laboratory. The research and development of China's nuclear warheads are undertaken at the No. 9 Institute of Second Machinery Ministry -- currently the China Engineering Physics Research Institute, or the 839 Project located at Mianyang in the southwest province of Sichuan, and the China Institute of Atomic Energy, which was originally the Institute of Modern Physics at the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

With the above nuclear warhead expansion programs, China will have more nuclear warheads than the United Kingdom and France combined by around 2015, close to the scale of Russia's nuclear warhead stockpile.

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(Andrei Chang is editor-in-chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto Canada.)

http://www.upiasiaonline.com/Security/2008...t_buildup/9975/
VAMAN
Chinese hummer. The background is beautiful.



sweetpalmtree
Chinese people seem more like Nazis every day with this militaristic stuff
Chinese DesertFox














Chinese DesertFox
A sniper of the local Special Police Department rises up sharply from the snow cover during an exercise in Changchun in northeast China's Jilin province 22 November 2007. The exercise is aimed to prepare them for anti-terrorist operations.

B.ZhangMidshipman
QUOTE(sweetpalmtree @ Apr 23 2008, 09:43 AM) [snapback]3656424[/snapback]
Chinese people seem more like Nazis every day with this militaristic stuff


What God-Awful ridiculous comment. Displaying military pictures make us National Socialists???
Look every nation has the right to protect itself, and the key aspect of which is obviously the nation's Armed Forces.

If you blatantly say that militaristic mentality = Nazi mentality, then there are better entities for you to go do your immature name-calling on. Example: U.S., Britain, France, European Union.
Ecthelion
The rise of Nazism and the associated militarism is a direct consequence of the efforts by established powers to limit German influence in Europe. The Germans supported Hitler's plans because they felt a sense of entitlement. And for the UK, US and France to attempt to deny the German people of what they believed to be rightfully theirs inevitably led to war.

If the Western powers and their d!ck-sucking puppet (read: Japan), continue in their attempts to deny China her proper status, then China would be in the right to annihilate opposition by force.
Suijen
QUOTE(sweetpalmtree @ Apr 23 2008, 09:43 AM) [snapback]3656424[/snapback]
Chinese people seem more like Nazis every day with this militaristic stuff


Uh...okay. Americans better stop playing Call of Duty before they start getting all genocide on Jews.
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Chinese DesertFox
El O El.

WarEngineer
QUOTE(Chinese DesertFox @ Apr 29 2008, 11:27 AM) [snapback]3668825[/snapback]
El O El.



OMG dont tell me that's from the concept of ghost in the shell -_-
VAMAN
U.S. Marine officer shaking hands with PLA's female soldiers. biggthumpup.gif


In this photo released by China's Xinhua News Agency, United States Marine Corps Commandant James Conway, second right, shakes hands with a female soldier of Chinese marine corps in Zhanjiang, south China's Guangdong Province, Thursday, April 3, 2008. Conway viewed exercises of Chinese marine corps and an anti-terrorists drilling of naval soldiers on Thursday
Hafiz






VAMAN
Military Hotline Activated Between China and the United States

12 April 2008

Chinese Defence Minister General Liang Guanglie and his U.S. counterpart Defence Secretary Robert Gates spoke to each other for about 30 minutes on Thursday over the direct telephone hotline between the U.S. and PRC defence ministries. This was the first time that the hotline was used since its establishment last year.

The conversation over the hotline has been confirmed by both Pentagon and the PRC Ministry of National Defence (MND).

During their conversation, both ministers welcomed the opening of the direct line, and believed that it would help enhance the consultations, mutual trust, coordination and cooperation between the two countries.

Gates congratulated Liang on his recent appointment as the Defence Minister of the PRC, and used the opportunity to urge the PRC to work with the newly elected leaders of Taiwan, and reiterated the United States opposes any unilateral effort by either side to change the status quo.

Liang urged the U.S. to stop selling its weapons to Taiwan and abide by its repeated commitments to adhere to the one-China policy and the three Sino-U.S. joint communiqués.

A U.S. DoD spokesman said they discussed "building on the positive momentum in military-to-military relations, encouraging the trend of greater transparency at all levels in which substantive dialogue can help avoid miscalculation."

The idea of a military hotline between the defence ministries of the two countries can be traced back to the aftermath of the 1996 Taiwan Crisis. The U.S. has raised the idea of a direct telephone link at the defence ministry level many time. In April 2006, the Chinese President Hu Jintao and the U.S. President George W Bush agreed in principle to improve the military dialogue between the two countries.

A technical team from the Pentagon was sent to Beijing in April 2007 to discuss various details on the hotline.

During his visit to Beijing in November 2007, Gates finalised the details with then Defence Minister General Cao Gangchuan on the establishment of the military hotline.

Shortly before the Sino-US military hotline was activated, a telephone hotline was established between the defence ministries of the PRC and Russia. Defence ministers of the two countries made their first conversation over the hotline on 14 March.

Source - http://www.sinodefence.com/news/2008/news08-01-12.asp
Chinese DesertFox
China PLAAF may assist Malaysia with Su-27, Su-30 maintenance

Servicing jets with China's aid
http://www.nst.com.my/Thursday/Natio...cle/index_html
KUALA LUMPUR: China could help Malaysia with technical matters concerning the Sukhoi Su-27 aircraft, the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) chief General Tan Sri Azizan Ariffin said yesterday.

He said the two countries were willing to co-operate on the matter.

"It is good for us to explore what they can offer us. It can be a reference point if we face problems with our aircraft in the future," he said.

"This is especially so from a weapons, maintenance and support services perspective," said Azizan, who visited China recently to meet his counterpart and the Chinese defence minister.

He said while China did not operate the MiG-29, the Sukhoi Su-27 and Su-30 were deployed in the republic.

"If we face problems with our jets, then we can refer to them (other than Russia)," he said.

Azizan said his visit to China was a success, adding that the country was eager to co-operate with Malaysia.

Meanwhile, Azizan said a number of activities had been lined up for the RMAF's golden jubilee on June 1.

He said the RMAF will be holding an open day at the Subang Royal Malaysian Air Force base on that day.

"We will display many of the assets that we have there and the public can have a look at them. An airshow will also be held," he said.

Among the aircraft that will perform on that day include the Sukhoi and the F/A-18D Hornets.

Chinese DesertFox
I found a good animation video of the J-10 vs the F-16. It was created from Lock-On, a simulation game, with a special mod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP_fup8G48Y
Chinese DesertFox
I can tell that China has invested heavily in the PAP in recent times because the threat of terrorism has increased dramatically. I hope the games will unfold successfully, so its necessary to maintain a strong police presence.

















Chinese DesertFox
PAP unit doing bus takedown with French RAID instructors.









And here's a video of French RAID officers training some of our units.

http://videos.tf1.fr/infos/media/jt/0,,364...r-terrain-.html
X_Dragon
speaking of police presence, i did a little digging in my older forums i used to be active one, and found a picture i posted back in 2005


I know this isnt the PLA, but it was from HongKong's police force back in 2005 riots.. do any of the gear shown hold any significant advantages? It seems like the $hit we see in movies ahahahaha
Chinese DesertFox
Comparing three ethnic Chinese militaries
By ANDREI CHANG
Column: Military Might
Published: January 12, 2008



HONG KONG, China, China, Taiwan and Singapore all share the Chinese language and culture. Yet due to their different positions in the international sphere and the capabilities of their respective military industries, the three have chosen very different military strategies and weapons systems. It is interesting to compare the three approaches.

First, in terms of military strategy, China is now gradually transforming itself from the passive defense of the Cold War years to today's active defense, with balanced offensive and defensive capabilities. China's navy is also turning from coastal defense to offshore defense.

The two sides of the Taiwan Strait are now under abnormal adversarial conditions. Taiwan's strategic goal has changed from staging large-scale counterattacks on mainland China to engaging in a decisive battle away from Taiwan Island and establishing balanced offensive and defensive capabilities.

Singapore's approach is proactive defense, typical of a small country. Since Singapore is much better off than other countries in the region, and it has a sensitive historical relationship with Malaysia, Singapore's national defense policy has followed the dual-track principle of diplomacy and deterrence.

While building up formidable military strengths to dissuade potential enemies from reckless action, Singapore also tries to reinforce its national defense through diplomatic ties, hoping it will receive support from the outside world should the regional situation deteriorate. Singapore learned from the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait that wealth does not equal peace.

The military strategies and doctrines of Singapore and Taiwan are becoming increasingly close. Both are attempting to establish effective deterrence against potential adversaries through building up their military machines. Both also rely on the diplomatic or even military involvement of world powers should they face a protracted conflict.

By procuring large batches of arms and establishing special military ties with the United States, both Singapore and Taiwan hope to guarantee their own security, expecting that the United States would come to their rescue should a major conflict arise.

Singapore's practice of purchasing AIM-120C air-to-air missiles and storing these weapon systems in the United States is clearly an attempt to establish a tangible military alliance with the United States and to integrate diplomatic deterrence with military deterrence. If a conflict broke out, Singapore would inevitably ask the United States to deliver the weapon systems stored on U.S. territory, which would make it impossible for the United States to remain neutral.

Taiwan's approach in recent years has been more or less similar. For the same purpose, Singapore may also deposit the 66 Leopard 2A4 main battle tanks it procured from Germany in Australia, as a tactic to contain the latest move of the Malaysian army to import PT91M main battle tanks from Poland.

Secondly, Singapore hopes to win additional layers of protection through its "diplomatic deterrence" strategy. Through reinforcing its ties with Australia, Canada and the joint defense cooperation among the five ASEAN countries, Singapore intends to implement the strategy of multi-layered diplomatic deterrence; that is, using different diplomatic deterrence strategies to deal with different adversaries.

In recent years, Taiwan has also sought to weaken the dominance of the United States in the dynamics of the Taiwan Strait and actively expand its military exchanges with Japan, Australia and India, with the same strategic objectives as Singapore.

Although China, Taiwan and Singapore all seek to balance their offensive and defensive capabilities, Singapore's navy and air force have the most advanced Western military technologies and the most formidable attack power in comparison with Taiwan and China. In other words, in implementing the strategy of balanced offensive and defensive deterrence, the Singaporean military forces place much greater emphasis on offensive operations than the Taiwanese and Chinese forces.

Singapore's "active defense" strategy is probably influenced by traditional British military ideology. Similar traces can be found in the military strategies of fellow former British colonies India and Pakistan. With the import of 12 plus 8 F-15ST fighters from the United States, Singapore has become the first of the three militaries to acquire joint direct attack munition bombs.

In addition, Singapore has acquired APG-63V3 active electronically scanned array radar systems ahead of Japan and Korea. The Singaporean air force is also equipped with 20 of the most powerful AN-64D attack helicopters in the region.

Due to the differences in the combat capabilities of their prospective adversaries, Taiwan and Singapore also have different deterrence strengths. The powerful offensive weapon systems mentioned above are already sufficient to give Singapore the capability to paralyze the enemy through preemptive standoff operations, which could be followed by diplomatic measures to resolve the conflict.

Singapore's latest replacements of military equipment, particularly in the navy and air force, show that the deterrence capability it aspires to is not directed solely at Malaysia. Thanks to the procurement of F-16 Block52 fighters and the KC-135R tanker, plus the fact that four E-2C aerial early warning aircraft are already in service, the Singaporean air force can now project its power over almost all of Southeast Asia.

Singapore is already armed with 70 F-16 fighters, among which 62 are F-16 Block52s. These fighters are equipped with the Israeli Python-4 and AIM120C AAM. The Taiwanese air force also dreams of acquiring the F-16 Block52. Both the Singaporean and the Taiwanese air forces are equipped with AGM-65G infrared-guided anti-ship missiles.

Singapore is favored by the West and Russia and has experienced no restrictions in the import of arms. Unlike Taiwan, Singapore has access to diversified weapons sources. The Singaporean army is equipped with Russian Igla (SA-18) ground-to-air missiles, for example.

As for military cooperation between Singapore and Taiwan, there has been constant speculation and many unconfirmed reports about this. Sources say that Singapore's batch of SA-18 missiles was actually ordered by Taiwan. Both Taiwan and Singapore are now employing the French-made La Fayette guided missile frigates (FFGs). The Singaporean variant of the La Fayette and the same model of FFG assembled indigenously are called the Delta Project, which has undergone major upgrading, but the price is said to be less than two-thirds the price Taiwan paid for its La Fayettes. Obviously the two received far different treatment in their purchase deals.

As a matter of fact, Israel has close ties with all three of the militaries under discussion. Singapore's ground forces, air force and navy use a lot of Israel-made equipment. The Singaporean navy's "Victory" class missile patrol boats are equipped with the Barak I vertical launch surface-to-air systems made by Israel Aerospace Industries/Rafael, while the F-16 Block52 fighters of the Singaporean air force are equipped with Israeli-designed electronic warfare systems.

As is widely known, both Taiwan and Singapore have acquired Gabriel I surface-to-surface missiles from Israel's IAI. In addition, Singapore has also purchased submarines from Sweden. In 1990, Singapore received the first batch of two A17 submarines, and four Sjoormen-class submarines were delivered to Singapore in 2004. The Sjoormen submarine has a standard displacement of 1,130 tons. As a result, Singapore has become the first country in Southeast Asia with genuine underwater combat capability.

Since international attitudes toward Singapore have been the most open and favorable, it has had the broadest training opportunities for its military personnel. The pilots of the Singaporean air force not only receive training in the United States, they also actively participate in joint military exercises with India, Australia and other countries, including joint naval and air force operations. The Singaporean air force has even carried out confrontational exercises in which the Su-30MKI fighter planes faced Singapore's F-16 Block52s.

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(Andrei Chang is editor-in-chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto Canada.)

Whilst not a super power, ties with Singapore would definitely be significant to China. Whatever its internal policies might be, Singapore has an open One-China policy which benefits China. Our increasing defense ties are also a good start.
VAMAN
Chinese nuclear submarines prompt 'new Cold War' warning

By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:48AM BST 03/05/2008

Tensions in the Far East could reach "Cold War levels" defence analysts warned, following evidence that China had secretly developed a major nuclear submarine base.



Satellite photographs passed to The Daily Telegraph this week showed that the secret base at Sanya on Hainan island will house up to 20 of the latest 094 Jin-class nuclear ballistic submarines that could be capable of firing anti-satellite missiles and nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.

The construction showed that China was “ramping up its operational capability” and developing a “blue water navy” that would challenge the dominance of the US in the Pacific, said Alex Neill, head of the Asia Security Programme at the Royal United Services Institute.

In the last 20 years China had gone from a coastal force to a navy capable of "exerting its influence far afield, "a senior Royal Navy officer said.

“It is clearly looking at a wider area of operations in the Far East but it also does not like the US placing their carrier battle groups in the area. In due course this could lead to Cold War levels of stand off,” the officer said.

There are also concerns that Beijing has secretly developed a broad military strategy - including internet assaults and satellite strikes - that could allow it to take Taiwan with the US unable to respond.

While talks continue for a peaceful settlement the island has long been in Beijing’s sights since it broke from the mainland in 1949.

Kerry Brown, the China expert at the Royal Institute of International Affairs, warned of “hawkish” elements in the two million strong People’s Liberation Army (PLA) who were “very focused” on Taiwan.

”The main source of friction is Taiwan and you cannot rule out a nationalistic military faction coming to power to taking a punt to have a quick go.”

Chinese defence expenditure is estimated by the Pentagon to be $50 billion (£25 billion) but analysts believe large chunks of the budget are “squirreled away” and it could be as high as $200 billion making it the second largest in the world after America.

The PLA is developing a strategy called the “sea denial campaign” which would prevent America intervening in any conflict with Taiwan, Mr Brown said.

It entails asymmetric conflict in which China would use cyber warfare and laser energy to wipe out communications. Anti-satellite missiles, potentially launched from submarines, would ensure that America was “blind” over the Far East. The Chinese have already proven that they have these capabilities as well as using espionage to remove military technology from the US.

”This is what they call pressure point warfare in which they remove any US response in one fell swoop,” Mr Brown said. “China wishes to power project well into the Pacific and challenge the dominance of the US Pacific Command.”

He also said that the Sanya base gave China reach into the Indian Ocean.

Much to America’s disgust, China’s missile accuracy has been improved from 5km down to 1km. China’s own space programme - that some experts believe equals Cape Canaveral in size - is also expanding close to the navy base on Hainan island.

There was no one available at the Chinese Embassy in London to comment.

Source - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
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speaking of police presence, i did a little digging in my older forums i used to be active one, and found a picture i posted back in 2005


I know this isnt the PLA, but it was from HongKong's police force back in 2005 riots.. do any of the gear shown hold any significant advantages? It seems like the $hit we see in movies ahahahaha


yes! the crotch guard is extremely important
VAMAN
Soldiers of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) carry a steel beam to rebuild electrical pylons which were damaged during snowfall on the outskirts of Pingxiang, Jiangxi province February 14, 2008.



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