Not really. There are actually historical records of Turkic peoples accepting Genghis Khan as king more easily than the Mongolic peoples like Keiraits, Merkits, Naiman, etc. You should review this part of history more.

That's because the Turks claim Chingis Khan as one of them. They would never intentionally bow to a Mongol Khan.

The Oirat tribes claim descent from the Keiraits, Merkits, Naiman, etc. and have never (at least the Kalmyks) held Chingis Khan in high regard like the Turks and the Khalkha.

Okay now they do, but back then, he knew he was a Mongol because he came from the East and was part of the old Eastern Altaics. He spoke Mongolian and was acculturated as a Mongol. What could he possibly have in common with the Turks who inhabited the new steppes of western central asia?

Back then there were Turk tribes as far east as Manchuria. I think those tribes are still there. The Turk tribes intermingled with the Mongol tribes. Today, some Kalmyk nationalists claim that Oirats are of Turk origin, not Mongol. Some Turks even claim the Mongols to be a branch of their own people. It's really confusing.

Whoa, so my dad is Oirat, so does that mean I'm half Turk now? Yes, I'm finally Turk, the people I wanted to be my whole life! (heavy sarcasm)

Differentiating between Turks and Mongols in ancient times is kind of BS to me. They were never genetically or socially distinct from each other. All they had were different languages. To say they were purely Turk or Mongol is incorrect and completely unscientific. Turk and Mongol are just names, names to unite groups of nomads. I bet my DNA would match any Asiatic Turkic person from Central Asia. But the point is we are humans, and humans create social identities and clans for ourselves to unify ourselves in times of need. That's why I prefer Turco-Mongol as a name for a common racial origin for Altaic people and Mongolian as my national character, allegiance to the hordes of Genghis Khan, and the allegiance to my old tribe. But in reality, Mongol has just as much ethnic importance as Khalkha. We are all the same race, it's only religion/, language, and ethnicity that divides us. But I also believe that Turkic people always had the upper hand in the steppes until a break away group known as the Mongols were about to carve their own identity in history and I feel proud to be a part of that. So in conclusion, be proud of your nation but not to the point where you antagonize your race.

The history books state that the Choros, Dorbet and Khoit tribes claim descent from the Naiman tribes, whereas the Torghuts were once a subdivision of the Kerait. The Khoshut, otoh, are of Eastern Mongol origin.

You can claim what you wish. I prefer to say the Oirat are of Mongol origin and leave it at that.

Naiman and Kerait are both MONGOL! They were the original tribes that made up the Mongols of Genghis Khan. Naiman= 8 and Kerait = crow. That's that.

I know, but the Kazaks also have Naiman and Kerait tribes. They once roamed the areas bordering Dzungar territory and still exist today in name.

Which means some Kazaks are of direct Mongol descent. Which makes them our close bros somewhat. And you said they were just a bunch of muzzie turks.

Or Oirats are of Turk descent.

I do know that after the Manchu defeat of the Dzungars in the 1750s, many of our compatriots were absorbed by the Kazaks and the Kyrgyz. Also, before the Dzungars embraced Buddhism, there was an element within the confederation that preferred Islam. I don't know what exactly happened to them, but based on Kalmyk practices, I'm sure they were exiled from the community.

You can embrace them as our bros if you wish. But I prefer the Kalmyk practice.

I don't even want to touch this thread cuz it's inflamable

It burns baby

when I was in Kazakhstan in the summer of 2004, I saw many people whose face is like that of the Mongols, but not all of them, I would say about 40-45 percent. I was astonished, but those 45 percents (excluding the russians) exactly look like the Mongols, their face, body, hair, eyes, and the skin. But the another part of them resemble turks, tadjiks, iranians, many many other races, even the germans. So I made a conclusion: the kazakhs are somewhat like between mongols and turks and caucasians, that is why I saw many many beautiful and hot girls:) I wish I was there again in the future, but not now, I have to continue my studies.

Only about 63% of Kazak citizens are ethnic Kazaks anyway. And Kazakhstan had more non-Altaic migrants coming to live there as well than Mongolia. Before Asiatic Altaic people invaded the land, there were many Iranic Indo-European speaking people there. This could be the reason why you saw a lot of mixed Asian looking people. But of course the conquerers were Altaic C3-Haplogroup people, that is why many of them look similar to Mongols. But its okay if they look different, they are a completely different country, they should have their own look. But as long as Mongolians, Kazakhs, and Kyrgyz have that similar Asiatic/Altaic look, we are still one race.

Um guys, I just found out this:

Yakut

The Yakut or Sakha language belongs to the Northern branch of the Turkic family of languages. Genetic research has revealed that Yakuts belong mainly to a Northeastern Asian genetic cluster, while also sharing some polymorphisms with Native Americans and some with Europeans. They're the last Turkic tribe to have not been touched by Islam and still practices shamanism.






So they are isolated turkic tribes, do they represent the original mongoloid turk ? They look like mongol to me. BTW, does it matter what tribes are you from lol ... if you guys unite you will get higher chance to kick my hujaa butt lol

Mmmmmmmmmmmm, that girl looks hot!!!

Mongol genes are extremely dominant

accualy there are various tribes that don't practice Islam amongst the turks

like Tuvans or gagauz


about the dominant genes thingy lots of people in Turkey show same genes as the Xiongnu now thats so dominat genes


ps it's not just gens subo what about character

He is fu-kin always bla bla bla turkey turkey

True true, we are one race



HA! They go hand in hand brotha

I was just refering too that the Turks of Turkey are the ones who are mixed to a far greater extend than 50-50 and still the genese are dominant


don't hate congradulate

They're too islamic now though, like Hungary is too christenised. Sad really.

meh they're still good compared to the rest of the middle east

Heh true, the vast Ottoman Empire