Hi. I'm new here and I REALLY need some help. I need people here, Canadians, to read this and tell me what they think.
My wife is Taiwanese, and we will be moving to Canada sometime this year, and I'm scared.
I'm caucasian....jewish actually, although I don't really practice it and dont really believe in it.
I live in Taiwan, and have lived here for about 4 years. My Chinese isn't half bad, but still embarassingly low-level.
My wife, as I said, is Taiwanese. We've been together for several years now, and finally signed the papers last year.
I, myself, am a 3D Animator, and my wife is a Graphic Designer, and a really gifted one, too.
Simply put, we can make much more money in Toronto, and I also miss my family.
I brag about Canada. That Canada is a nation of many cultures and races, that although it has a tendency to be white-controlled, (BOO) this is slowly getting better, and Canada is surely one of the most successful multi-cultural environments in the world. That Canadian means being smart, not being crazy. Like Ameri.....nevermind.
Now.
I have been verbally attacked a few times now. I have been accused of having an "asian fetish", because my wife is Taiwanese.
My wife has been accused of being a mail-order bride, and a whore.
Of course, being white, and her being asian, we fit into really really nasty stereotyped catagory.
These accusations, painfully enough, have come out of Canada, from both the asian and non-asian communities, via other forums.
Hence, I have to tell my wife that we may encounter some "problems" living in Toronto. Why? Did it start with the people hating us because she's asian and I'm white? Did it start with the evil/pathetic white guys getting pretty wives in asia? Did it start with the American GI's behavior during the Korean or Vietnam conflits? What is the cause?
Tell me, Asiafinest.com readers....PLEASE....for my sake and my wive's sake.....Do i have cause to be apprehensive about moving to Canada?
Please note, I know that I have heard the sentiments of a few rotten people. The reason for this post is only to gain some advice from people in Canada. Especially Toronto.
That being said, does anybody know of any Taiwanese organizations in Toronto? would help for my wife to build up some professional connections before coming over.
Full Version: my wife and I....interracial marriages....PLEASE HELP
QUOTE(Mattgold99 @ Mar 30 2008, 04:52 AM) [snapback]3604566[/snapback]
Hi. I'm new here and I REALLY need some help. I need people here, Canadians, to read this and tell me what they think.
My wife is Taiwanese, and we will be moving to Canada sometime this year, and I'm scared.
I'm caucasian....jewish actually, although I don't really practice it and dont really believe in it.
I live in Taiwan, and have lived here for about 4 years. My Chinese isn't half bad, but still embarassingly low-level.
My wife, as I said, is Taiwanese. We've been together for several years now, and finally signed the papers last year.
I, myself, am a 3D Animator, and my wife is a Graphic Designer, and a really gifted one, too.
Simply put, we can make much more money in Toronto, and I also miss my family.
I brag about Canada. That Canada is a nation of many cultures and races, that although it has a tendency to be white-controlled, (BOO) this is slowly getting better, and Canada is surely one of the most successful multi-cultural environments in the world. That Canadian means being smart, not being crazy. Like Ameri.....nevermind.
Now.
I have been verbally attacked a few times now. I have been accused of having an "asian fetish", because my wife is Taiwanese.
My wife has been accused of being a mail-order bride, and a whore.
Of course, being white, and her being asian, we fit into really really nasty stereotyped catagory.
These accusations, painfully enough, have come out of Canada, from both the asian and non-asian communities, via other forums.
Hence, I have to tell my wife that we may encounter some "problems" living in Toronto. Why? Did it start with the people hating us because she's asian and I'm white? Did it start with the evil/pathetic white guys getting pretty wives in asia? Did it start with the American GI's behavior during the Korean or Vietnam conflits? What is the cause?
Tell me, Asiafinest.com readers....PLEASE....for my sake and my wive's sake.....Do i have cause to be apprehensive about moving to Canada?
Please note, I know that I have heard the sentiments of a few rotten people. The reason for this post is only to gain some advice from people in Canada. Especially Toronto.
That being said, does anybody know of any Taiwanese organizations in Toronto? would help for my wife to build up some professional connections before coming over.
My wife is Taiwanese, and we will be moving to Canada sometime this year, and I'm scared.
I'm caucasian....jewish actually, although I don't really practice it and dont really believe in it.
I live in Taiwan, and have lived here for about 4 years. My Chinese isn't half bad, but still embarassingly low-level.
My wife, as I said, is Taiwanese. We've been together for several years now, and finally signed the papers last year.
I, myself, am a 3D Animator, and my wife is a Graphic Designer, and a really gifted one, too.
Simply put, we can make much more money in Toronto, and I also miss my family.
I brag about Canada. That Canada is a nation of many cultures and races, that although it has a tendency to be white-controlled, (BOO) this is slowly getting better, and Canada is surely one of the most successful multi-cultural environments in the world. That Canadian means being smart, not being crazy. Like Ameri.....nevermind.
Now.
I have been verbally attacked a few times now. I have been accused of having an "asian fetish", because my wife is Taiwanese.
My wife has been accused of being a mail-order bride, and a whore.
Of course, being white, and her being asian, we fit into really really nasty stereotyped catagory.
These accusations, painfully enough, have come out of Canada, from both the asian and non-asian communities, via other forums.
Hence, I have to tell my wife that we may encounter some "problems" living in Toronto. Why? Did it start with the people hating us because she's asian and I'm white? Did it start with the evil/pathetic white guys getting pretty wives in asia? Did it start with the American GI's behavior during the Korean or Vietnam conflits? What is the cause?
Tell me, Asiafinest.com readers....PLEASE....for my sake and my wive's sake.....Do i have cause to be apprehensive about moving to Canada?
Please note, I know that I have heard the sentiments of a few rotten people. The reason for this post is only to gain some advice from people in Canada. Especially Toronto.
That being said, does anybody know of any Taiwanese organizations in Toronto? would help for my wife to build up some professional connections before coming over.
to sum up your entire post, you and you alone know whether you are an asiaphile or not.
no matter where you live people will have issues with your interracial marriage. as long as the marriage is solid then you should not care.
best of luck to you.
Oh fu-k these Asian idiots, just stand up for yourself and your fu-king relationship FFS, stop being a cry baby - WHO GIVES A FLYING fu-k about YOUR relationship - to hell with those insecure and jealous pind!cks 
every relationship has its drawbacks. but yes the hostility comes from history, media smears and an imbalanced gender ratio among interracial relationships.
israel and russia have both attempted to pass laws banning interracial marriage between chinese men and israeli/russian women and white men created the kkk when white women ran off with blacks, so feel lucky that you don't have to deal with that and enjoy your marriage.
israel and russia have both attempted to pass laws banning interracial marriage between chinese men and israeli/russian women and white men created the kkk when white women ran off with blacks, so feel lucky that you don't have to deal with that and enjoy your marriage.
QUOTE(film4reel @ Mar 30 2008, 05:15 AM) [snapback]3604733[/snapback]
to sum up your entire post, you and you alone know whether you are an asiaphile or not.
No...he wants to know if people in Canada are going to be antagonistic towards him and his wife for loving each other.
Anyways, threadstarter, keep in mind that hostilities tend to be amplified on the internet. People say all sorts of nasty things, and hell, there are several members on this forum as well who would say awful things to you and your wife for loving each other. But keep in mind that there are lots of white-Asian interracial marriages, so you won't be alone as some kind of "freak couple"; in fact, you'll be helping to break the taboo - especially if your relationship works out well.
So good luck to you, and try not to worry about immature people with archaic ideals.
yawn don't you spend much of your posting time talking about preserving the racial purity of Tibetans? :P
QUOTE(yawn @ Mar 30 2008, 10:34 AM) [snapback]3604829[/snapback]
No...he wants to know if people in Canada are going to be antagonistic towards him and his wife for loving each other.
Anyways, threadstarter, keep in mind that hostilities tend to be amplified on the internet. People say all sorts of nasty things, and hell, there are several members on this forum as well who would say awful things to you and your wife for loving each other. But keep in mind that there are lots of white-Asian interracial marriages, so you won't be alone as some kind of "freak couple"; in fact, you'll be helping to break the taboo - especially if your relationship works out well.
So good luck to you, and try not to worry about immature people with archaic ideals.
Anyways, threadstarter, keep in mind that hostilities tend to be amplified on the internet. People say all sorts of nasty things, and hell, there are several members on this forum as well who would say awful things to you and your wife for loving each other. But keep in mind that there are lots of white-Asian interracial marriages, so you won't be alone as some kind of "freak couple"; in fact, you'll be helping to break the taboo - especially if your relationship works out well.
So good luck to you, and try not to worry about immature people with archaic ideals.
i knew exactly what he was getting at. my point is that he and his wife will run into interracial issues ANYWHERE they go.
it is best, imo, to have a solid marriage and ignore people who disagree with their choice.
unless you are paying my bills i don't give a $hit about your opinion. so people can opine all they want. doesn't bother me in the least.
QUOTE(yhellothar @ Mar 30 2008, 07:54 AM) [snapback]3604851[/snapback]
yawn don't you spend much of your posting time talking about preserving the racial purity of Tibetans? :P
I wasn't aware that was an issue...
Clever little analogy though.
Of course, the answer is "no". My ultimate dream would be for all the races to sex each other up so much that the world's population becomes racially indistinguishable, and no one would ever be able to mistreat someone else because of their race ever again.
why dream of just killing off all but two people instead, then you get the same result of everyone being the same !
I don't like bloodshed. 
cause a lot of asian women end up marrying nerds and it's very stereotypical
you seem like a nerd yourself.
it's all about imperialism and fetishes
of course not.
and I doubt there are any white guys with good looking asian women in asia. sounds farfetched to me. in asian countries that are used to american occupation like in korea and japan the locals (most) have gotten over the white fetish and realize that the caliber of white guys in their country are very low level.
it's cool that you both have similar jobs
stereotypical jewish agenda
you seem like a nerd yourself.
it's all about imperialism and fetishes
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Do i have cause to be apprehensive about moving to Canada?
of course not.
and I doubt there are any white guys with good looking asian women in asia. sounds farfetched to me. in asian countries that are used to american occupation like in korea and japan the locals (most) have gotten over the white fetish and realize that the caliber of white guys in their country are very low level.
it's cool that you both have similar jobs
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Of course, the answer is "no". My ultimate dream would be for all the races to sex each other up so much that the world's population becomes racially indistinguishable, and no one would ever be able to mistreat someone else because of their race ever again. icon_twisted.gif
stereotypical jewish agenda
the general rule is that the guy is better looking than the woman in most af/wm couples i've seen
it's mindboggling
almost all of the good looking asian girls are with asian guys
it's mindboggling
almost all of the good looking asian girls are with asian guys
QUOTE(mndeg @ Mar 30 2008, 10:02 AM) [snapback]3605014[/snapback]
stereotypical jewish agenda
Lol, Jewish traditionalists prefer their kids to marry other Jews...
err you don't understand the agenda do you? it's to get other races to mix and keep the jewish race clean therefore nobody will rile up against any jewish attempts to do whatever they want to do.
duh. jews themselves are against mixing but they have an agenda to get others to mix. (look at their religious leaders talk about keeping the race pure)
only if you think white guys on average are good looking
usually both are unattractive imo.
duh. jews themselves are against mixing but they have an agenda to get others to mix. (look at their religious leaders talk about keeping the race pure)
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the general rule is that the guy is better looking than the woman in most af/wm couples i've seen
only if you think white guys on average are good looking
usually both are unattractive imo.
QUOTE(mndeg @ Mar 30 2008, 10:54 AM) [snapback]3605119[/snapback]
err you don't understand the agenda do you? it's to get other races to mix and keep the jewish race clean therefore nobody will rile up against any jewish attempts to do whatever they want to do.
duh. jews themselves are against mixing but they have an agenda to get others to mix.
duh. jews themselves are against mixing but they have an agenda to get others to mix.
Huh? That would just make the Jewish race even more of a minority. If there are a bunch of different races, then everyone's too busy fighting each other to single out the Jewish race (well, more so than is already being done). But if it's Entire World vs. Jews, that kind of puts the Jews at a disadvantage...
no. when you're mixed you don't believe race is an issue. when you're mixed there is no "us" vs "them" therefore there will never be a jewish "them".
imagine if all white americans became part mexican, who would do all the jew hating then?
^ Jews would still be different from the majority of people. They'd be outsiders, racially distinct from all the more-or-less homogeneous insiders.
there is no homogeneity in being mixed especially in a place like america. in brazil yes in america no.
I mean after a LONG time after tons of mixing. You know - that "brown" tone that everyone will eventually become.
when you're that mixed how are you going to hate someone on the basis of race especially in the highly 'liberal' environment?
QUOTE(mndeg @ Mar 30 2008, 11:28 AM) [snapback]3605189[/snapback]
when you're that mixed how are you going to hate someone on the basis of race especially in the highly 'liberal' environment?
It's a simple concept of "insiders vs. outsiders". In this case, it might not be about race, so much as the Fully Mixed vs. the Ethnically Incomplete. You get the idea.
i think by the time everyone is mixed (200+ years) or more, the agenda will be accomplished
the point is to increase the mixing thus decreasing resistance.
the point is to increase the mixing thus decreasing resistance.
QUOTE(mndeg @ Mar 30 2008, 02:54 PM) [snapback]3605119[/snapback]
err you don't understand the agenda do you? it's to get other races to mix and keep the jewish race clean therefore nobody will rile up against any jewish attempts to do whatever they want to do.
duh. jews themselves are against mixing but they have an agenda to get others to mix. (look at their religious leaders talk about keeping the race pure)
duh. jews themselves are against mixing but they have an agenda to get others to mix. (look at their religious leaders talk about keeping the race pure)
lol. What an idiot.
A very odd Jew indeed.
y are we feedin the troll?
i'm guessing they say you have an asian fetish from all your stockpiled asian porn
QUOTE(yawn @ Mar 31 2008, 01:19 AM) [snapback]3604884[/snapback]
Of course, the answer is "no". My ultimate dream would be for all the races to sex each other up so much that the world's population becomes racially indistinguishable, and no one would ever be able to mistreat someone else because of their race ever again.
Already happened, us Mongols have left our genes all over the place in 3 continents, and now in the 21st century, ALL continents. There are white/yellow/black/brown looking Mongolians and descendants all over the world, but the world will still say 'he/she looks more white, he/she looks more asian, he/she looks more black'
Welcome to western and east asian culture and their pathetic mentalities. Good luck trying to change that.
QUOTE(Tabs @ Mar 30 2008, 03:05 PM) [snapback]3605306[/snapback]
lol. What an idiot.
fail for not knowing history.
and you're a liberal arts major too.
of course I expected nothing more from you
QUOTE(Subotai @ Mar 30 2008, 05:28 PM) [snapback]3605475[/snapback]
Already happened, us Mongols have left our genes all over the place in 3 continents, and now in the 21st century, ALL continents. There are white/yellow/black/brown looking Mongolians and descendants all over the world, but the world will still say 'he/she looks more white, he/she looks more asian, he/she looks more black'
Welcome to western and east asian culture and their pathetic mentalities. Good luck trying to change that.
Welcome to western and east asian culture and their pathetic mentalities. Good luck trying to change that.
you think rape is something to be proud of? WTF?
education wins.
QUOTE(film4reel @ Mar 30 2008, 07:15 PM) [snapback]3604733[/snapback]
to sum up your entire post, you and you alone know whether you are an asiaphile or not.
no matter where you live people will have issues with your interracial marriage. as long as the marriage is solid then you should not care.
best of luck to you.
no matter where you live people will have issues with your interracial marriage. as long as the marriage is solid then you should not care.
best of luck to you.
dont usually do this but...agree 100%
it seems the op has issues in his head. i have NEVER hard any negativities except here on AF. at this point its like who cares?
in ther futire when i walk down the street with my adopted daughters people will assume the worst. i am passed caring and the op should be too.
just to let some of you know, being jewish is a RELIGION and not a RACE.
QUOTE(film4reel @ Mar 30 2008, 07:32 PM) [snapback]3605720[/snapback]
just to let some of you know, being jewish is a RELIGION and not a RACE.
Says the person thats the most "sensitive" to other races.
QUOTE(corky @ Mar 30 2008, 08:19 PM) [snapback]3605679[/snapback]
dont usually do this but...agree 100%
lol you shoulda +1'd her.
QUOTE(bigmonkey2382 @ Mar 30 2008, 09:58 PM) [snapback]3605935[/snapback]
Says the person thats the most "sensitive" to other races.
wth are you talking about??
QUOTE(film4reel @ Mar 30 2008, 09:04 PM) [snapback]3605953[/snapback]
wth are you talking about??
Think it over.
QUOTE(mndeg @ Mar 31 2008, 10:12 AM) [snapback]3605660[/snapback]
you think rape is something to be proud of? WTF?
education wins.
education wins.
Coming from a white-washed asian with western 'education'
If you think we were just an invading army that spent no time holding and developing our lands then you are grossly ignorant, and within our borders where racial tolerance was upheld to an unprecended level not all mixed children were born from rape as you might like to believe.
Besides, after rape - it's death for the woman, good luck even her giving birth to a child.
Actually the Yuan Dynasty treated the Southern Chinese like subhumans and killed about 1% of their population every year for 150 years. :P
The reason why "Eastern" cultures prefer the abscence of aggressive elements (Christianity, extremist Islam) in their societies is because nations made up of infighting races always fragment and destroy themselves.
The reason why "Eastern" cultures prefer the abscence of aggressive elements (Christianity, extremist Islam) in their societies is because nations made up of infighting races always fragment and destroy themselves.
OK OK OK OK OK OK OK !!!!!!!!!!!
I get the fracking message!
Great responses, up to a point. Basically, my wife and I both kick @$$ in every sense of the term, I love her, she loves me, and if anybody screws with us in Toronto I break limbs. Hao bu hao. (I've done formal Shodokan Karate-do for 16 years, thus adding to the "asiaphile" stereotype....lucky me)
I have zillions and zillions of friends of every shade and style in Toronto, and an awsome wife, and my health so I should shut the F&%^ up.
However, I bet some people here have noticed this thread has degraded into a bit of a hate-fest, only from some of us, not all of us. It started out really smart and rational, and then got a bit nasty and evil. So, let the thread die, I get the point.
One more question that nobody has bothered to help me with (before the thread dies)....Taiwanese associations in Toronto. Is anybody here a part of one, or does anybody know off any good ones? Frankly my wife could care less, she's not really the "association" type, (you know these artist types) but I want to become a part of one. I don't want my Mandarin to slowly slip off of my brain, out of my ears, and onto the floor.....when you don't use a language, that can happen.
So, before any more anti-asian, anti-semitic, anti-anythingelse pops up here, Toronto Taiwanese clubs, anybody?
I get the fracking message!
Great responses, up to a point. Basically, my wife and I both kick @$$ in every sense of the term, I love her, she loves me, and if anybody screws with us in Toronto I break limbs. Hao bu hao. (I've done formal Shodokan Karate-do for 16 years, thus adding to the "asiaphile" stereotype....lucky me)
I have zillions and zillions of friends of every shade and style in Toronto, and an awsome wife, and my health so I should shut the F&%^ up.
However, I bet some people here have noticed this thread has degraded into a bit of a hate-fest, only from some of us, not all of us. It started out really smart and rational, and then got a bit nasty and evil. So, let the thread die, I get the point.
One more question that nobody has bothered to help me with (before the thread dies)....Taiwanese associations in Toronto. Is anybody here a part of one, or does anybody know off any good ones? Frankly my wife could care less, she's not really the "association" type, (you know these artist types) but I want to become a part of one. I don't want my Mandarin to slowly slip off of my brain, out of my ears, and onto the floor.....when you don't use a language, that can happen.
So, before any more anti-asian, anti-semitic, anti-anythingelse pops up here, Toronto Taiwanese clubs, anybody?
QUOTE(Mattgold99 @ Mar 30 2008, 09:20 PM) [snapback]3606288[/snapback]
However, I bet some people here have noticed this thread has degraded into a bit of a hate-fest, only from some of us, not all of us. It started out really smart and rational, and then got a bit nasty and evil. So, let the thread die, I get the point.
AF'ers tend to get carried away and forget all aout the threadstarter.
Sorry, I don't know anything about Tiawanese in Toronto. Maybe there's a Facebook group or something.
QUOTE(ham_let @ Mar 31 2008, 09:01 AM) [snapback]3605942[/snapback]
lol you shoulda +1'd her.
that sounds so naughty,
You need to face the reality that Canada is a racist place. You automatically think where you came from is so much superior than where she is from, and she will love your country for sure. It has never occur to you to live in Taiwan permenantly with her. Of course you can't. How can you live with a bunch of asian majoirty forever. Now she is going to have to live with a bunch of white folks majority forever. I don't know Toronto. But i know a place similar to Toronto and I have a white friend married a Taiwanese, and they split after he brought her here. So funny the guy is a Flash programer and she's a graphic desinger. You need to be prepared that if you are willing to divorce or move back to Taiwan with her, if you two can't handle the racism in Canada. If you think your racial issue is tough imaging a Tawanese guy with a white Canadian wife living in toronto. How would you treat them, honestly?
QUOTE(film4reel @ Mar 30 2008, 05:32 PM) [snapback]3605720[/snapback]
just to let some of you know, being jewish is a RELIGION and not a RACE.
SCORP
See everybody? This is what I mean. This Scorp person is making all kinds of assumptions about me.
First off I'm not a flash animator at all, read more carefully.
(EDIT: my aoologies SCORP, you were refering to your friend as the flash guy, not me.)
second off, I truly truly couldn't care less if there was, as you put it, a Taiwanese man and a white Canadian wife living in Toronto. I've known mixed couples all my life, and it's never ever occured to me to be jelous or cruel based on race. At all. Ever.
As for assuming my home is better than hers, you assume again. I think she's going to have alot of problems in Toronto because she's Taiwanese. That's why I'm on this forum, to try to get information and help from you guys. You, however, are attacking me. Think about it.
I have also always intended to live in Taiwan forever. Family issues, serious ones, are driving me home. coupled that with the fact that if you knew the salary climate for our professions in Taiwan, then you'd easily see why we want to move.
OBVIOUSLY, she's my wife. If either of us, for any reason, get sick of Toronto, then we will talk it over. Probably we would come back to Taiwan. Who knows. In real relationships, the relationship is usually more important than "I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....NO, I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....ETC ETC"
Please don't make assumptions about me. I don't care if you are used to White people thinking their homes are superior. Don't put me in any catagory please.
Whoever you are, SCORP, you are one of the reasons my life has been hell for so many years. People making assumptoins about me, based on NOTHING.
See everybody? This is what I mean. This Scorp person is making all kinds of assumptions about me.
First off I'm not a flash animator at all, read more carefully.
(EDIT: my aoologies SCORP, you were refering to your friend as the flash guy, not me.)
second off, I truly truly couldn't care less if there was, as you put it, a Taiwanese man and a white Canadian wife living in Toronto. I've known mixed couples all my life, and it's never ever occured to me to be jelous or cruel based on race. At all. Ever.
As for assuming my home is better than hers, you assume again. I think she's going to have alot of problems in Toronto because she's Taiwanese. That's why I'm on this forum, to try to get information and help from you guys. You, however, are attacking me. Think about it.
I have also always intended to live in Taiwan forever. Family issues, serious ones, are driving me home. coupled that with the fact that if you knew the salary climate for our professions in Taiwan, then you'd easily see why we want to move.
OBVIOUSLY, she's my wife. If either of us, for any reason, get sick of Toronto, then we will talk it over. Probably we would come back to Taiwan. Who knows. In real relationships, the relationship is usually more important than "I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....NO, I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....ETC ETC"
Please don't make assumptions about me. I don't care if you are used to White people thinking their homes are superior. Don't put me in any catagory please.
Whoever you are, SCORP, you are one of the reasons my life has been hell for so many years. People making assumptoins about me, based on NOTHING.
QUOTE(scorp @ Mar 31 2008, 04:32 PM) [snapback]3606578[/snapback]
You need to face the reality that Canada is a racist place. You automatically think where you came from is so much superior than where she is from, and she will love your country for sure. It has never occur to you to live in Taiwan permenantly with her. Of course you can't. How can you live with a bunch of asian majoirty forever. Now she is going to have to live with a bunch of white folks majority forever. I don't know Toronto. But i know a place similar to Toronto and I have a white friend married a Taiwanese, and they split after he brought her here. So funny the guy is a Flash programer and she's a graphic desinger. You need to be prepared that if you are willing to divorce or move back to Taiwan with her, if you two can't handle the racism in Canada. If you think your racial issue is tough imaging a Tawanese guy with a white Canadian wife living in toronto. How would you treat them, honestly?
QUOTE(Mattgold99 @ Mar 30 2008, 04:52 PM) [snapback]3604566[/snapback]
Hi. I'm new here and I REALLY need some help. I need people here, Canadians, to read this and tell me what they think.
My wife is Taiwanese, and we will be moving to Canada sometime this year, and I'm scared.
I'm caucasian....jewish actually, although I don't really practice it and dont really believe in it.
I live in Taiwan, and have lived here for about 4 years. My Chinese isn't half bad, but still embarassingly low-level.
My wife, as I said, is Taiwanese. We've been together for several years now, and finally signed the papers last year.
I, myself, am a 3D Animator, and my wife is a Graphic Designer, and a really gifted one, too.
Simply put, we can make much more money in Toronto, and I also miss my family.
I brag about Canada. That Canada is a nation of many cultures and races, that although it has a tendency to be white-controlled, (BOO) this is slowly getting better, and Canada is surely one of the most successful multi-cultural environments in the world. That Canadian means being smart, not being crazy. Like Ameri.....nevermind.
Now.
I have been verbally attacked a few times now. I have been accused of having an "asian fetish", because my wife is Taiwanese.
My wife has been accused of being a mail-order bride, and a whore.
Of course, being white, and her being asian, we fit into really really nasty stereotyped catagory.
These accusations, painfully enough, have come out of Canada, from both the asian and non-asian communities, via other forums.
Hence, I have to tell my wife that we may encounter some "problems" living in Toronto. Why? Did it start with the people hating us because she's asian and I'm white? Did it start with the evil/pathetic white guys getting pretty wives in asia? Did it start with the American GI's behavior during the Korean or Vietnam conflits? What is the cause?
Tell me, Asiafinest.com readers....PLEASE....for my sake and my wive's sake.....Do i have cause to be apprehensive about moving to Canada?
Please note, I know that I have heard the sentiments of a few rotten people. The reason for this post is only to gain some advice from people in Canada. Especially Toronto.
That being said, does anybody know of any Taiwanese organizations in Toronto? would help for my wife to build up some professional connections before coming over.
My wife is Taiwanese, and we will be moving to Canada sometime this year, and I'm scared.
I'm caucasian....jewish actually, although I don't really practice it and dont really believe in it.
I live in Taiwan, and have lived here for about 4 years. My Chinese isn't half bad, but still embarassingly low-level.
My wife, as I said, is Taiwanese. We've been together for several years now, and finally signed the papers last year.
I, myself, am a 3D Animator, and my wife is a Graphic Designer, and a really gifted one, too.
Simply put, we can make much more money in Toronto, and I also miss my family.
I brag about Canada. That Canada is a nation of many cultures and races, that although it has a tendency to be white-controlled, (BOO) this is slowly getting better, and Canada is surely one of the most successful multi-cultural environments in the world. That Canadian means being smart, not being crazy. Like Ameri.....nevermind.
Now.
I have been verbally attacked a few times now. I have been accused of having an "asian fetish", because my wife is Taiwanese.
My wife has been accused of being a mail-order bride, and a whore.
Of course, being white, and her being asian, we fit into really really nasty stereotyped catagory.
These accusations, painfully enough, have come out of Canada, from both the asian and non-asian communities, via other forums.
Hence, I have to tell my wife that we may encounter some "problems" living in Toronto. Why? Did it start with the people hating us because she's asian and I'm white? Did it start with the evil/pathetic white guys getting pretty wives in asia? Did it start with the American GI's behavior during the Korean or Vietnam conflits? What is the cause?
Tell me, Asiafinest.com readers....PLEASE....for my sake and my wive's sake.....Do i have cause to be apprehensive about moving to Canada?
Please note, I know that I have heard the sentiments of a few rotten people. The reason for this post is only to gain some advice from people in Canada. Especially Toronto.
That being said, does anybody know of any Taiwanese organizations in Toronto? would help for my wife to build up some professional connections before coming over.
Hey let me put in this way " are you having this move to make YOURSELF and HER happy our are you trying to SATISFY everyone?"
If you're doing the latter asking everyones oppinion you're really doing it the traditional way.
This is mordern times now. Critical thinking and self-interest are more important than others oppinions.
Its both of your lives. If both of you think you can make a better living in Canada sure go ahead.
It's not my place nor anyones for that matter to come and barge in and start making dumb statements.
Your life. Your choice. Make it. Live it.
Anyways didn't you know that the most racist of all Asians are from East Asia?
I think you weren't aware before you meet your wife. But now I guess you did.
Anyways they're saying that cause they're jelous people can't get a girl themselves outside their race.
I'm sure any guy would consider a girl/woman who's looks good in his eyes even if it is outside his race.
Only insecure guys don't want to admit it outfront.
You're a man!
You don't need other peoples oppinions to make a decision. You take the initiative.
If you want both of your lives to be better go for it.
There's nothing else to think about.
Just do it!
QUOTE(scorp @ Mar 31 2008, 04:32 AM) [snapback]3606578[/snapback]
You need to face the reality that Canada is a racist place. You automatically think where you came from is so much superior than where she is from, and she will love your country for sure. It has never occur to you to live in Taiwan permenantly with her. Of course you can't. How can you live with a bunch of asian majoirty forever. Now she is going to have to live with a bunch of white folks majority forever. I don't know Toronto. But i know a place similar to Toronto and I have a white friend married a Taiwanese, and they split after he brought her here. So funny the guy is a Flash programer and she's a graphic desinger. You need to be prepared that if you are willing to divorce or move back to Taiwan with her, if you two can't handle the racism in Canada. If you think your racial issue is tough imaging a Tawanese guy with a white Canadian wife living in toronto. How would you treat them, honestly?
i was kinda thinking the same thing but did not opine.
QUOTE(Mattgold99 @ Mar 31 2008, 06:57 AM) [snapback]3606669[/snapback]
SCORP
See everybody? This is what I mean. This Scorp person is making all kinds of assumptions about me.
First off I'm not a flash animator at all, read more carefully.
(EDIT: my aoologies SCORP, you were refering to your friend as the flash guy, not me.)
second off, I truly truly couldn't care less if there was, as you put it, a Taiwanese man and a white Canadian wife living in Toronto. I've known mixed couples all my life, and it's never ever occured to me to be jelous or cruel based on race. At all. Ever.
As for assuming my home is better than hers, you assume again. I think she's going to have alot of problems in Toronto because she's Taiwanese. That's why I'm on this forum, to try to get information and help from you guys. You, however, are attacking me. Think about it.
I have also always intended to live in Taiwan forever. Family issues, serious ones, are driving me home. coupled that with the fact that if you knew the salary climate for our professions in Taiwan, then you'd easily see why we want to move.
OBVIOUSLY, she's my wife. If either of us, for any reason, get sick of Toronto, then we will talk it over. Probably we would come back to Taiwan. Who knows. In real relationships, the relationship is usually more important than "I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....NO, I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....ETC ETC"
Please don't make assumptions about me. I don't care if you are used to White people thinking their homes are superior. Don't put me in any catagory please.
Whoever you are, SCORP, you are one of the reasons my life has been hell for so many years. People making assumptoins about me, based on NOTHING.
See everybody? This is what I mean. This Scorp person is making all kinds of assumptions about me.
First off I'm not a flash animator at all, read more carefully.
(EDIT: my aoologies SCORP, you were refering to your friend as the flash guy, not me.)
second off, I truly truly couldn't care less if there was, as you put it, a Taiwanese man and a white Canadian wife living in Toronto. I've known mixed couples all my life, and it's never ever occured to me to be jelous or cruel based on race. At all. Ever.
As for assuming my home is better than hers, you assume again. I think she's going to have alot of problems in Toronto because she's Taiwanese. That's why I'm on this forum, to try to get information and help from you guys. You, however, are attacking me. Think about it.
I have also always intended to live in Taiwan forever. Family issues, serious ones, are driving me home. coupled that with the fact that if you knew the salary climate for our professions in Taiwan, then you'd easily see why we want to move.
OBVIOUSLY, she's my wife. If either of us, for any reason, get sick of Toronto, then we will talk it over. Probably we would come back to Taiwan. Who knows. In real relationships, the relationship is usually more important than "I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....NO, I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....ETC ETC"
Please don't make assumptions about me. I don't care if you are used to White people thinking their homes are superior. Don't put me in any catagory please.
Whoever you are, SCORP, you are one of the reasons my life has been hell for so many years. People making assumptoins about me, based on NOTHING.
@matt
the problem with your argument is that SCORP nor anyone else on this forum do not have all the facts. we can ONLY make assumptions on the limited information you provided.
tbh, so many people want to jump on this fu-king interracial/produce mixed kids bandwagon but do not count ALL of the costs associated with this path. instead of asking for our opinion i would suggest going to a licensed marital counselor to sort out the pros and cons. bottom line: no matter where you live racism exists. the question should be which country is more tolerable of mixed marriages. as a u.s. citizen, who lived in the midwest and currently live on the east coast, i can tell you up front that america should NOT be on your short list.
maybe if my parents counted all the cost they would still be married today or maybe would not have married at all.
i wish you the best.
I doubt America is that horrible considering no Mongolian-American share the issues so passionately experienced by whites, asians and blacks. It is not just at home where we experience racial freedom, it's called charm, strength, and personal integrity to pull off getting what you want in any country.
Wondring dancing speck of light, i need a jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
QUOTE(Mattgold99 @ Mar 31 2008, 02:57 AM) [snapback]3606669[/snapback]
SCORP
See everybody? This is what I mean. This Scorp person is making all kinds of assumptions about me.
First off I'm not a flash animator at all, read more carefully.
(EDIT: my aoologies SCORP, you were refering to your friend as the flash guy, not me.)
second off, I truly truly couldn't care less if there was, as you put it, a Taiwanese man and a white Canadian wife living in Toronto. I've known mixed couples all my life, and it's never ever occured to me to be jelous or cruel based on race. At all. Ever.
As for assuming my home is better than hers, you assume again. I think she's going to have alot of problems in Toronto because she's Taiwanese. That's why I'm on this forum, to try to get information and help from you guys. You, however, are attacking me. Think about it.
I have also always intended to live in Taiwan forever. Family issues, serious ones, are driving me home. coupled that with the fact that if you knew the salary climate for our professions in Taiwan, then you'd easily see why we want to move.
OBVIOUSLY, she's my wife. If either of us, for any reason, get sick of Toronto, then we will talk it over. Probably we would come back to Taiwan. Who knows. In real relationships, the relationship is usually more important than "I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....NO, I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....ETC ETC"
Please don't make assumptions about me. I don't care if you are used to White people thinking their homes are superior. Don't put me in any catagory please.
Whoever you are, SCORP, you are one of the reasons my life has been hell for so many years. People making assumptoins about me, based on NOTHING.
See everybody? This is what I mean. This Scorp person is making all kinds of assumptions about me.
First off I'm not a flash animator at all, read more carefully.
(EDIT: my aoologies SCORP, you were refering to your friend as the flash guy, not me.)
second off, I truly truly couldn't care less if there was, as you put it, a Taiwanese man and a white Canadian wife living in Toronto. I've known mixed couples all my life, and it's never ever occured to me to be jelous or cruel based on race. At all. Ever.
As for assuming my home is better than hers, you assume again. I think she's going to have alot of problems in Toronto because she's Taiwanese. That's why I'm on this forum, to try to get information and help from you guys. You, however, are attacking me. Think about it.
I have also always intended to live in Taiwan forever. Family issues, serious ones, are driving me home. coupled that with the fact that if you knew the salary climate for our professions in Taiwan, then you'd easily see why we want to move.
OBVIOUSLY, she's my wife. If either of us, for any reason, get sick of Toronto, then we will talk it over. Probably we would come back to Taiwan. Who knows. In real relationships, the relationship is usually more important than "I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....NO, I WANNA LIVE IN MY COUNTRY....ETC ETC"
Please don't make assumptions about me. I don't care if you are used to White people thinking their homes are superior. Don't put me in any catagory please.
Whoever you are, SCORP, you are one of the reasons my life has been hell for so many years. People making assumptoins about me, based on NOTHING.
Mr. Goldberg, or can I call you Matt? Look, I never attacked you or your wife personally. I only called your country racist, which I believe is true. Along with other western countries, they are racist toward Asians when it comes to Asian integration and assimulation. Besides, you're the one who brought up the picture bride remark from your fellow Canadian. I assume they are ignorant. You brag about how great and multi-cultured Toronto is. Let me tell you a well diversifed or multi-cultured place still has prejudice or racism, if not more.
Now backt to the relationship, have you ever considered now your wife has to leave her friends and family, to a far away place from them. At first she will be alright, the honeymoon stage. Then she will get homesick. She will want to see them regularly, and it will exacerbate when other typcial relatonship and financial problems come up. She will start having problems with your parents. Then the money and job issues will start up fights. She will realize it's not the life she had pictured. Then you will become frustrated because you told her how wonderful Canada is, and turend out false.
If you are determined to live a interracial life in the west, you'll have to make some attitude changes. You will be discriminated against because now you're in the minority. You will need to get used to the stares on the streets and public places. You'll have to accept that some places she will not want to go because she felt unwelcomed. You will hear her complainting how she was mistreated at places, and pointing racism. You are gonna get more interracial/asian jokes and stereotypes from your white friends and collegues. You're going to decide whether to conform to the stereotypes or isolate from the society.
I am all for interracial relationships but the white folks don't make it easy for the interracial couples. You will find Asian people more supportive and understanding of interracial issues. Tell me some of the racism or problems you've encountered in Taiwan, I doubt they're worse than what you're about to face in Canada. And don't say I am the kind of people that is the reason you want to leave Taiwan. Excuses. I don't even live there.
QUOTE(scorp @ Mar 31 2008, 01:39 PM) [snapback]3607350[/snapback]
I only called your country racist, which I believe is true. Along with other western countries, they are racist toward Asians when it comes to Asian integration and assimulation. Besides, you're the one who brought up the picture bride remark from your fellow Canadian. I assume they are ignorant. You brag about how great and multi-cultured Toronto is. Let me tell you a well diversifed or multi-cultured place still has prejudice or racism, if not more.
Now backt to the relationship, have you ever considered now your wife has to leave her friends and family, to a far away place from them. At first she will be alright, the honeymoon stage. Then she will get homesick. She will want to see them regularly, and it will exacerbate when other typcial relatonship and financial problems come up. She will start having problems with your parents. Then the money and job issues will start up fights. She will realize it's not the life she had pictured. Then you will become frustrated because you told her how wonderful Canada is, and turend out false.
If you are determined to live a interracial life in the west, you'll have to make some attitude changes. You will be discriminated against because now you're in the minority. You will need to get used to the stares on the streets and public places. You'll have to accept that some places she will not want to go because she felt unwelcomed. You will hear her complainting how she was mistreated at places, and pointing racism. You are gonna get more interracial/asian jokes and stereotypes from your white friends and collegues. You're going to decide whether to conform to the stereotypes or isolate from the society.
I am all for interracial relationships but the white folks don't make it easy for the interracial couples. You will find Asian people more supportive and understanding of interracial issues. Tell me some of the racism or problems you've encountered in Taiwan, I doubt they're worse than what you're about to face in Canada. And don't say I am the kind of people that is the reason you want to leave Taiwan. Excuses. I don't even live there.
Now backt to the relationship, have you ever considered now your wife has to leave her friends and family, to a far away place from them. At first she will be alright, the honeymoon stage. Then she will get homesick. She will want to see them regularly, and it will exacerbate when other typcial relatonship and financial problems come up. She will start having problems with your parents. Then the money and job issues will start up fights. She will realize it's not the life she had pictured. Then you will become frustrated because you told her how wonderful Canada is, and turend out false.
If you are determined to live a interracial life in the west, you'll have to make some attitude changes. You will be discriminated against because now you're in the minority. You will need to get used to the stares on the streets and public places. You'll have to accept that some places she will not want to go because she felt unwelcomed. You will hear her complainting how she was mistreated at places, and pointing racism. You are gonna get more interracial/asian jokes and stereotypes from your white friends and collegues. You're going to decide whether to conform to the stereotypes or isolate from the society.
I am all for interracial relationships but the white folks don't make it easy for the interracial couples. You will find Asian people more supportive and understanding of interracial issues. Tell me some of the racism or problems you've encountered in Taiwan, I doubt they're worse than what you're about to face in Canada. And don't say I am the kind of people that is the reason you want to leave Taiwan. Excuses. I don't even live there.
I can smell the bullshit.
Seriously, the claims you're making in this post are so far from reality that it would be annoying if only you didn't concede your own lack of rhetorical credibility by defending Taiwan when you don't even live there.
QUOTE(yawn @ Mar 31 2008, 12:51 PM) [snapback]3607367[/snapback]
I can smell the bullshit.
Seriously, the claims you're making in this post are so far from reality that it would be annoying if only you didn't concede your own lack of rhetorical credibility by defending Taiwan when you don't even live there.
Seriously, the claims you're making in this post are so far from reality that it would be annoying if only you didn't concede your own lack of rhetorical credibility by defending Taiwan when you don't even live there.
fuk are you calling me out? I only lived in Taiwan for 10 yrs, and visited there every few years or so. My white friend confided in me with his interracial problems, while both of us were in Taiwan. Is that credible enough for you? We are still friends today that's how I know their relationship had gone and now it ended.
Ok well either way every relationship has its own specific and unique dynamics. So no matter what anyone says has happened to their friends relationships, definitely does not mean it's going to happen to you and your wife. But to reiterate one thing said throughout this thread, you are going to face a lot of racism. If your wife is not the association type... I wouldn't push that on her. If you two are really going to do this, she needs to be able to find her own way and her own place within the new city to fee comfortable. Mainly though I would make sure you're there for her. I can't imagine it's going to be easy to be away from everything she's ever known. And from the sound of things it seems like you have a lot going on with family back in Canada, so make sure she isn't overlooked. And especially since she seems to be a very giving person, willing to move all the way to Canada with you, if she ever just even seems a little bit down, pay attention. It's very possible that even if you ask how things are going she is going to want to make you happy and try to be fine with it no matter what.
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