In VN, only gangs have guns. In US everybody have guns=> where is safer ?

VN should allow their citizens to have guns, so the people can shoot down the communists/vietcongs.

No point of having guns.

In a democratic society if the government wants the people to do something they don't want to, it'll give them a tax break and other benefits then the people might change their mind.

In an authoritarian society when the government wants people to do something that they don't want to do, it'll point a gun at their head. Very effective, isn't it? The people living these type of government usually submit, but what if the people have guns? Will the the government get guns pointed back at them?

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

no people shouldn't have gun.

Don't mess with your neighbors if they have guns.

"gang" in VN? Oh, you meant the police forces who behave like gangsters w/ the defenseless population?!

No, in America, only a few citizens have guns, besides the real gangsters.

where is safer? I heard in VN every month there is about 1000 traffic deaths, more than the homicide rate in the entire USA for the entire year.

Why dont you compare the traffic fatality rate of US and VN?

which is about 20,000 US a month

Bắt một nhóm buôn súng, thủ phạm khai “hàng” do quân nhân CSVN cung cấp
Sunday, April 06, 2008

SÀI GÒN, (NV) - Công an Sài Gòn cho biết vừa bắt ba thanh niên liên quan đến một tổ chức chuyên mua bán súng vào tối 5 tháng 4. Vào buổi tối này, Ðội Cảnh Sát Hình Sự Ðặc Nhiệm đã chặn ba thanh niên đang đi xe hai bánh gắn máy để kiểm tra và tìm thấy một khẩu súng ngắn giấu dưới yên xe.

Báo điện tử VietNamNet cho biết, ba thanh niên này khai rằng, súng do một quân nhân đang tại ngũ, ngụ ở tỉnh Bình Thuận nhờ bán giúp.

Công an Sài Gòn xác nhận họ đang xác định nguồn gốc của khẩu súng, mở rộng điều tra việc vận chuyển, mua bán vũ khí vừa khám phá.

Trong thời gian vừa qua, tại các đô thị lớn ở Việt Nam như Hà Nội, Sài Gòn, Hải Phòng,... đã xảy ra rất nhiều vụ cướp bằng súng. Nhiều vụ, đến nay vẫn chưa tìm được hung thủ. Hầu hết súng dùng trong các vụ cướp được phán đoán là mua từ những nguồn cung cấp như quân đội, công an hoặc từ Campuchia. Ðể đối phó với tình trạng cướp bằng súng đang gia tăng, công an tại các thành phố lớn đều đã thành lập những đội cảnh sát hình sự đặc nhiệm. Tuy nhiên việc tàng trữ, sử dụng vũ khí trái phép không giảm

Hồi cuối tháng trước, công an Hải Phòng cho biết, khi khám xét nhà số 146, đường Quang Trung, quận Hồng Bàng và nhà số 5/58 đường Nguyễn Ðức Cảnh, quận Lê Chân, họ đã thu giữ hàng chục khẩu súng các loại (súng ngắn, súng trường), chưa kể cung nỏ, dao, kiếm, dùi cui điện... Ðặc biệt là có cả những khẩu súng kích thước và hình dáng giống hệt cây bút, được dùng để ám sát.

Theo tờ Tiền Phong, trước vụ khám xét này, công an Hải Phòng đã bắt giữ Phạm Cao Sơn, 42 tuổi và Nguyễn Minh Chí, 51 tuổi.

Tờ Công An Nhân Dân cho biết, Phạm Cao Sơn là một tội phạm hình sự, bị tù vì chuyên tiêu thụ đồ gian, bị truy nã rồi bị bắt do hành hung người khác. Sau khi ra khỏi tù đã chuyển sang kiếm sáng bằng cách buôn vũ khí vì em gái có một cửa hàng chuyên sửa súng săn, còn Phạm Cao Sơn từng là thợ quân khí.

Dân chúng sống trong khu vực Phạm Cao Sơn cư ngụ cho biết, ông ta thường khoe về những chuyến “làm ăn” ở Trung Quốc và Lào.

Cùng tàng trữ, mua bán vũ khí với Phạm Cao Sơn là ông Nguyễn Minh Trí. Ông Trí từng bị bắt vì điều hành một đường dây buôn lậu. Sau khi ra khỏi tù, ông Trí được một công ty chuyên cung cấp dịch vụ bảo vệ tuyển dụng làm đội trưởng một đội vệ sĩ.

Trong quá trình điều tra các vụ thanh toán bằng súng tại Hải Phòng, công an Hải Phòng phát giác tại Hải Phòng có lái súng. Khi bị bắt, cả ông Phạm Cao Sơn lẫn ông Nguyễn Minh Trí đều mang loại súng chuyên dùng để ám sát trong người.

Tờ Công An Nhân Dân cho biết, loại súng chuyên dùng để ám sát có kích thước và hình dáng như một cây bút. Tầm sát thương trong phạm vi 5m. Ngoài hai khẩu súng loại này, khi khám nhà, công an CSVN còn thu giữ được 18 khẩu súng các loại (trong đó có một số khẩu chưa xác định được loại và tính năng), 17 báng súng (chưa xác định được loại và tính năng), 17 cây kiếm, 6 bộ cung tên, 28 ống nhòm, 20 công cụ hỗ trợ (hộp phóng điện, dùi cui điện, bình xịt hơi cay) và rất nhiều đạn các loại.

Tờ Công An Nhân Dân dẫn nguồn của công an Hải Phòng cho biết, họ có đủ bằng chứng về việc ông Phạm Cao Sơn và ông Nguyễn Minh Trí cung cấp súng cho một số du đãng ở Hải Phòng và Dương Kim Dũng, trùm một đường dây chuyên mua bán ma túy tổng hợp. Tháng 10 năm 2007, Dương Kim Dũng đã mua 4 khẩu súng, trong đó có hai khẩu súng ám sát với giá 4.1 triệu đồng/khẩu, hai khẩu shotgun với giá 3.6 triệu đồng/khẩu. (G.Ð)

Theo bao Nguoi Viet





See! The gangs have guns and just too easy to blow $hit up while nobody is allowed to have weapons ......

Where did you get that data from, Nhan Dan newspaper??? According to the Boston News report, total traffic fatality is around 43,000 in the entire USA for the entire year of 2004. In 2004, there were about 235.4 millions vehicles registered to the DMV. Every year the number of fatality creep up a bit, but it is because of the increase of drivers on the streets.

No way! everybody have guns, but they just don't show....

My dad have a .44 mag and I'm going to buy myself a .22 riffle next year when i turn 18. And so is our neighbors, they have shotgun,riffle, handguns...

Unlike in VN, the criminal here wouldn't rob people on the street, because they afraid that people having guns and blow their face off....

The criminals in America wouldn't rob people on the street because of effective law enforcement. Majority people don't own guns in America. They count on their local police forces to protect them and their properties. Majority people walking on the streets don't carry guns in their suitcases, cars, purses.....etc.

I don't know the current statistic for gun ownership in america, but in the mid 1990, it was about 25-30% of the population, eventhought there were enough guns for every adults in the nation.

Hell no- the last we want is giving those VNCH bastards an opportunity to come back to create chaos.

Who's bastard ? Do you know how rich, how beautiful, how modern the South VN was before the stupid, cruel, inhuman uneducated Commies came in ?

How rich, how beautiful, and how modern?

I think you're right ! Most of people don't carry gun around the town, but I'm sure that as soon as you try to rob any of the stores, the owner gonna blast your butts !!

What do you expected from the war?

Who started it?

Have you thought about that?

yes ! and how modern, and hot chicks going around !

I can build you a rich, beautiful. and modern grave.

Oh yes, EVERYBODY in the US has guns alright.

Sorry i didn't think about it, but i read about it, a lot, in all the history of the U.S , ARVN, and also the Commies history . I suggest you to do so, not just only read the history of CHXHCNVN. You'll see who was right and who was the bastards ....

Attaboy!!!

who was right and who was the bastards?

who were the bastard !! hey man! gimme a break .... it's midnight here!! damn!

Okay, when you say S Vietnam was beautifull, what year were you talking about?

How many people were rich, middle, and poor class. Today, the gap between classes is minimal. What do you like to see?

Maybe we can figured out how long it will take Vietnam to reach your expectation. To the best of my knowledge, Vietnam is one of the fastest groving country in the world right now, and it is scientifically impossible to go faster than fastest?

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To the best of my knowlege, VN's inflation rate is at least at 16% currently, highest in the world.

To the best of my knowlege, VN has become the one of the poorest country in the world. (Although, the Red Capitalists can match their ill-gotten wealths w/ any Western Capitalists).

To the best of my knowlege, the gap between classes in the current "Nguy-est" regime is more more pronounce than any other time in modern VN history.

To the best of my knowlege, there are people in this forum trying their commie best to make the case for the bloody regime in this day and age.

Bro, I know you like everyone to follow you on everything but there are to sides to all things.

First of all, Vietnam wasn't a paradise after the war, and it has improved a lot.

Sure, the inflation is up, but Vietnam is not alone. It has effected the third world everywhere from mainly the high fuel price -- I think it's over 115 usd/barrel now.

And sure some of the leaders are corrupted from weak temptation, and Vietnam is not alone here either.

Thus, if you tell us specifically what it is that you are not satisfied with, we can talk about it. Is it just the commie government that you hate or there is something that they could have done to recover from the war torn and they overlook it.

How about starting w/ the first meaningful guesture toward the past victims of the regime's policies. By that I mean stop calling the Mau Than massacre as a victory, for example. Stop teaching their youths in school to call them "Nguy" this or "phan dong" that. So manything they could and still can do now to reach out to their past victims, but they decided to tell them to "forget the past", and that's it!

My friend, if I tell you the society now existing in HCM city is so weird compared w/ the one that existed before 30/4/75, you would call me a VNCH symphatizer, or worse. But if you ever had a chance to talk to older folks living oversea, who are not afraid of secret polices and such, they would tell you. Don't brand them as VNCH propagandas...they have nothing to gain or loose in telling you about life before 1975. Or if you have time, check out the "phan dong" web sites. Some of them are really off the wall, but many of them give insights into the past. Check in Saigonbao.com, it will give you a long list of sites. Dan Chim Viet, is one good site, it has many articles about old Saigon people, literatures, and commentaries on the current regime that you won't find on the 600 odd newspapers existing in Vietnam.

Drop the habit of asking for links, sources, statistical graphs etc........because many of these stories can be classified as oral history. 34 years is a long time, an entire South Vietnam culture had been forbidden and burnt down in about 5 years after the end of the war. Whatever survived, like its music, is considered a miracle. How do I know???? People told me that. I wasn't there when Tran Quoc Toan crushed the orange in his hand upon being dimissed by General Tran Hung Dao,hundred years ago, but I believe the story w/ all my heart. You, too, have to decide it on your own.

So good luck on your quest to find the truth, if that you really wanted to do in the first place.

Mate, I am just here to learn not just about Vietnam, but also the rest of Asian country as well. It is not possible for me to dig in every detail of each country. Life is too short for that. Thus, just tell me: after 34 year after war destruction, where should Vietnam stand? I mean should Vietnam be better than India, Malaysia, China, Philippine, ..., that will give me an idea of your expectation.

Once we established this, then we can seek out to see what went wrong, how thing could be done better, and so on. Right now, no offense, but it appears that you are bashing the Vietnam government baselessly.

Mate, the subject itself took me years to understand, and I am a Viet living in both world. How do you expect yourself to understand all its sad history in a few lines? Or even in a few posts??? But I tell you this, when I first arrived in the US, I was like many of Viets youth here whole heartly believed in the glorious past of HCM and the VCP as the savior of our nation. One by one, they just faded away. All the bad things going on in VN have always been there, but they are not allowed to discuss publicly. They have always been covered in secrecy. That's why many Viet youths are so shock hearing about them discussed publicly.........

No offense, but I don't think you would get it in a few posts......there is no shortcut to knowleges..........It had been painful for me to dig through the informations, rethinking what I thought was so right and so obvious.

About the current regime, didn't you just read about the 1 billions USD wasted on Dung Quat project, on top of another 1.5 billions spent already???? No one argues that we should not build refinery to increase VNmese economy. How do we do it is the question. And where that wasted 1 billions has gone to??? Now, that is only one project, ran by the government. If you multiply that to cover the entire country, how much money they actually wasted, while the Viet workers are making 1.5 USD a day, for shifts that is longer than 8 hours?! Any Viets who still have feelings toward their country should raise the questions of government's accountability. That is my position, mate!

Yes, but I am not asking a complex question here, given that you have studied the subject matter extensively. I was just looking for your expectation of Vietnam from your knowledge. Granted that they have not been totally efficient and had wasted some moneys as you alleged. Had they not done all that, where should Vietnam be right now? I mean like Japan, S Korea, Singapore, ..., or Thailand? Can you just choose one?

Moreover, I also hear what you say about the government silencing people, but that is another subject all together.

Therefore, can we just focus on one subject at a time? Do you want to talk about governance, or you want to talk about rights first?

How can we talk about economic system w/o discussing political system when they are so intertwined?

I don't allege anything about wasting money when people are still very poor. It's just there. You want shortcut, but there is no shortcut. If the current regime had not done all of that, doi moi, they would go the way of Eastern Communist regimes 20 some years ago. They know that. South VN economy, during war time, was still above Indo, Malay, Thai, Campuchia, Singapore. You would say it was because of American aids, but so was Hanoi, w/ the massive aids from the Soviet block. Vietnam nowaday is "better", but it is only better than the time frame of 1975-1985 when people were eating cattle foods inplace of rice. Where is VN now, playing catching up w/ Thai and Singapor? Can we be like S. Korea? You bet, if we didn't have that system of "kinh te thi truong, dinh huong XHCN"? Doesn't the global inflation hit VN hardest in the region? And the foreign banks already forecasted the growth of Vn to be lower than predicted while the inflation would countinue on to the end of the year.

I think you are the type to need link, source, and numbers......you don't have time to do that on your own, why do you expect me to do it for you?

Come on, bro, that is unfair. You charge the Vietnamese government for failure to bring people out of poverty. You supposed to prove your point.

As an outsider, we see Vietnam is one of the fastest growing countries in the world. How can we condemn the government for that? That is not morally correct.

The reason I asked you these basic question is just to find out some of your approaches on how you would get Vietnam out of the mess. I am a learner, and that is why I am here.

Anyhow, if you were to run Vietnam yourself from 1975, what are some of the thing you will do since then, and where will Vietnam be right now, close to Japan, S. Korea, Singapore, India, or whatever, just give us some idea. Is that fair enough for you?

Hello, like I don't know where are you trying to lead me to. Dude, learning starts w/ reading and doing your own research. Don't they teach you that wherever you are from? To discuss a problem such as VN, one can't talk just economic policies w/o discussing the political structure behind it. One can't criticize the absurdity of the policy w/o the mentioning the policy-maker, in this case, the VCP.

VN rate of expansion is sure very high, because of all the easy conditions that the government allows. Why capitalists like country like Vn, because the leaders are corrupted and can easily be bought off w/ the right price. For example, labor forces in VN is very cheap, even the union is on the side of the investors, protecting the right of the investors not the workers. Polution regulations are pleinty in the book, but no one bother to enforce them, therefore the people have to live w/ polution of drinking water, air, and land. Enough say!

If I was to run VN, first thing first I would drop that tail "dinh huong xa hoi chu nghia" from "kinh te thi truong". I would, starting from 1975, apply S. Economics model on the entire country. (After the war, there was group of S. VN economists who wrote papers to the government, asking to be allowed the chance to contribute their knowleges to rebuild the unified nation. Their papers got toshed in the trashed. Many of them were sent of reeducation camps, out of a jobs, or subject to the abuse of the cadres in the office. Most got disillusioned w/ the regime and went oversea.) If VN was allowed "kinh te thi truong" at that moment, I am sure VN now will only stand behind Japan, and above S. Korea. China in 1975 was still a very backward country compared w/ S. VN at the same time. That country was still reeling from the effect of the cultural revoltion, the red guards and all the horrible things accompanied a Maoist state. I would make peace w/ Americans, w/o demanding them to pay restitutions which they didn't pay any way even now.

Because you claimed you were an outsider ( which I doubt very much ), VN may look different to you than to me, a Viet. But tell me what is you judgment of the regime's performance now in the mid of highest inflation in the region + outbreak of disease that is preventable + corruptions (not of some officials) at every levels of the system + concession of VN territory to China + USD currently replace VN dong in the market + others too numerous to list. I want to hear an outsider's comment on such regime. Do that and we'll talk more.

Bro, you got to tell me what was in the economic plan that the VN government toss into the trash? Japan is the richest East Asian of all, and to be close to them you must fully industrialized and have a similar economic goods. For instant, in the early early 1900's, Japan was rich enough to build their own war planes, cannons and tanks to attacks everyone. Can you show similarity with Vietnam in any time frame? No one in east Asia had such accomplishment. Did Vietnam at anytime, capable of building an air craft carrier? Or has Vietnam at anytime had manufacturing radio, TV, electrical appliances or motorcycle and cars?

Thus for you to claim that you can catch up with S Korea and Japan in just over 30 years is very hard to believe, let alone not mentioning what's the ingredients in the plan that would achieved such miracle.

As for corruption, H5N1 and other viral outbreak, I didn't denied it. I acknowledge it existences, but it was not enough to cripple Vietnam from the evidence that Vietnam was one of the fastest growing countries in the world. Do you see what I am saying?

bro, you talked about the Imperial Japan which had been bombed to the stone ages by the Americans. After the war, the forced democratic constitution by Mc Aurthur, designed based entirely on the American constitution, helped launch Japan into the right path of economic developments within the frame work of the democratic government.

Much have been say about the thriftiness and workaholic of the Japaneses. However, I believe one on one, the Viet works no less than a Japanese, or no less inteligent than any other people of any country. What they have that the Viets don't have is the sense of accountability at the leadership level. The Communist Viets have become greedy and lust after power even more than any of their former enemies. Enough say about that.

It may hard for you to believe, but S. Vietnam did manufacture small household appliances, motorcycle, and LaDalat-a car was built in Dalat. CHXHCNVN is a different matter.......

You are right, add 30 years of a "kinh te thi truong, dinh huond XHCN" from now on, VN is still the poor country, because who know where Japan, S. Korea and the rest of them will be in the next 30 years. They don't wait for us to play catch up, do they?!

However, 30 years of "kinh te thi truong" right after the war ended, w/o any "dinh huong XHCN", I never doubt that VN would at least like S. Korea now. The Viets then were tired of killing each other. They were ready to build a new VN. However, the VCP had squandered the opportunity with the implementation of foolish and cruel economic and social policies. In those 30 years lost, the world had left VN behind, far behind.

I am tired of hearing you saying the rate of development in Vn is the highest..........sure it is the highest, but what does it mean? Are you ready to tell me .5 point of gains in GDP of the USA is less than 2.0 point of gain in GDP of Vietnam? or that the USA growth rate is less therefor Vietnam can catch up to USA in 100 years, for example????? Do you see what I am trying to say?!

Mate, you can't compared US economy total size to Vietnam total size because the US has much bigger economy; thus, it's not a fair comparison. Furthermore, the US is not a war-torn country, nor it was under any economic sanction to kept it in poverty. Vietnam on the other hand had been fighting for freedom from foreign occupation for about a century. It barely got any rest until the last 30 years or so, not to mention it was under economic sanction for decades. Japan was not treated the same way since they surrender to WW2.

In any case, I didn't fabricated anything, I just read what expert was saying, I mean good and bad as I have acknowledged all along that included corruption and inflation ... below is one of a recent report, and never have I heard any major complain about Vietnam of the magnitude that you are telling us, but positive overall evaluation.

http://www.adb.org/Documents/News/VRM/vrm-200711.asp

I don't believe ADB is politically biased, and I think they gave all the pro and con about Vietnam as they seen it. Thus, see it for yourself.

To get back to Japan, it wasn't democracy that bail them out. If anything, we should thank God that it wasn't democracy; otherwise, they would never be as successful as they are today. They will be divided and spending most of their time shooting each other down trying to win the election instead of working for the country as we have seen all over Asia. Despite Japan was labeled as a Democracy is was more of a Virtual Autocracy because it has a huge party that dominated all other parties and make them nearly voiceless, just like S Korea and Singapore today. Furthermore, government can only do so much. It is the capitalist economy coupled with Japan capability that move them out of poverty miraculously fast. Vietnam, on the other hand, was never received the same treatment as Japan; thus, it can't achieved as much as Japan as in the late 40's or early 50's.

Aside from that, I am fascinated by LaDalat car that you mentioned. Was it a Vietnamese design? and what other goodies that Vietnam have made? You mentioned motorcycle and appliances. Do you have some good sources where I can learn more about it? Plus, I am still open to hear any basic plan that you think could help Vietnam out of the wood faster.

In any case, despite our difference, I am very optimistic about Vietnam to get out of poverty because of its capability and improved education. The only thing that will be a show-stopper for Vietnam now is a new war, which is something that we all trying to avoid.

if the VC legalised guns ownership, please expect a political revolution to occurred within days.

Mate, I thought about writing answer to you, but then I saw other interesting threads, too. It will take me too long to answer you line by line! So do read the article here about the bank's assessment of VN. It is more current than your article.

Vietnam to Lower 2008 Economic Growth Target
April 3, 2008 - 04:40 a.m.
HANOI, Vietnam (AP) - Vietnam plans to lower its economic growth target for this year as the Southeast Asian country faces with many "disadvantageous factors," state media reported Thursday.

Vietnam, which recorded gross domestic product growth of 8.5 percent last year, had targeted economic growth of 8.5-9 percent for this year.

"Facing with many disadvantageous factors, the government was expected to propose to the National Assembly to lower economic growth target and adjust inflation target to make it suitable to the situation," Thanh Nien (Young People) newspaper quoted Minister of Planning and Investment Vo Hong Phuc as telling a government meeting Wednesday. He did not elaborate on what he meant by "disadvantageous factors."

The government is now considering cutting that target to 6.5-7.5 percent growth and tries to rein in inflation lower than last year's inflation of 12.3 percent, he said. The official forecast needs approval from the legislature when lawmakers meet in May to discuss the economy.

The Asian Development Bank on Wednesday said slower global growth will drag on Vietnam's growth this year but inflation will keep soaring throughout 2008.
The bank predicted that Vietnam's economy would grow 7 percent in 2008, down from its earlier forecast of 8.5 percent.

In March, the consumer price index was up 19.2 percent from a year ago, lifted by higher prices for food and fuel.

The minister said the government is emphasizing on anti-inflation efforts and urges all state organizations to cut their spending this year by 10 percent.

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Despite Japan was labeled as a Democracy is was more of a Virtual Autocracy because it has a huge party that dominated all other parties and make them nearly voiceless, just like S Korea and Singapore today

No one says democracy government have political parties sharing power equally. In essence, the dominated party is voted in by the majority of votes. It's the voting process that distinguish a democracy w/ a dictatorship where either the votes are rigged or never allowed to vote, or accepting leadership through intimidation. Voting make politicians have more accountability, eventhough it doesn't stop corruptions totally. Oppositing minority parties may not be able to influence decision making process, but the existence of their voices in the public arena through the free press ensures nothing is overlooked for the gain of any group, and the public is not in total ignorance.


It is the capitalist economy coupled with Japan capability that move them out of poverty miraculously fast. Vietnam, on the other hand, was never received the same treatment as Japan; thus, it can't achieved as much as Japan as in the late 40's or early 50's.


Mate, the miracle of Japan economy didnot happen until the 1980's. Whose fault was that to chose a communist style of economics developments for VN in 1975, when the Americans offered to normalize diplomatic relationship w/ the VCP right after the war? If the VCP took the opportunity to join hands w/ their former enemy, as they are doing now in a much different world and from a much disadvantage position politically, I have no doubt that VN had caught up w/ S. Korea by now. S.VNam had up to that point, all the basic structure for a market economy, which was completely dismantled by the communist regime in the first 5 years of their reign in the South. Its entire educated class, those who were most capable of rebuilding the nation, were in reeducation camps, lost their jobs, or scattered all over the world. Replacing them were people who absolutely knew nothing of running a market economy but had absolute decision making power.

I am fascinated by LaDalat car that you mentioned. Was it a Vietnamese design?

No, it is not of Vietnamese design, but based on a French model. However, it was ensembled, using foreign components, in Dalat, and used widely in S. VN by the common folks. The richers would drive foreign imported car (like a relative of mine, owning one of the only 3 MGB in Saigon at the time). At the same period, HCM was wishing for an automatic fan to cool himself down in his wooden house in the North, and cars were only for highest party members. (Just so you can visualize the differences in the standard of living in the 2 regions.)

I am still open to hear any basic plan

Mate, let's have freedom of press first, then others will follow. Why do you think the regime forbids absolutely private newspaper? Why talk more plans while we don't even have the basic first? You have been intentionally avoid pointing finger at the VCP, by only focus on the economy. You can't discuss one w/o the other because they are interwined. As the Singapore's PM had compared to the 2 wheels of a cart. The cart may move w/ only 1 wheel, but does so very slowly and the pusher may be exhausted before he reachs his goal. Or worse, on a bumpy road and w/ a heavy load, the one-wheeled cart just crashes regardless how hard its pusher would wish otherwise. I hope you get my point, mate!

The problem is anti-commie journalists tend to stir up problem and create instability in the country that impeded against progresses

Let's call a stop here....... it's still just the anti-commie journalists doing............You are entittled to your view!!!

Yes, but slander for political gain or nonconstructive views doesn't help poverty issue but to make it worse. The problem is right now, there aren't enough people educated to fence for themselves; thus, we mus wait a little. This is not the west, you know?

No, the problem is the political structure that make people feel like they better stay back in the West, you know?!

Yes, but that is because they have been taught by the riches that communist is evil. Who would want to associate with that?

What if some looser from the street walks up to your house and starts robbing you in the name of the "dan oan", how that make you feel? Lot of people think commies are evil nowaday.

Sorry, but I don't follow your question. I don't know "Dan Oan". Can you brief me on him?

And yes, they did do a good job brainwashing people about commies, but now days is not a bad as in the 60's. Back then, if you were to yell, "Commie are coming!" in New York City, you can caused serious chaos there, I bet.

sorry, I forgot you are an outsider. Dan oan is the term referring to farmers who lost their land to corrupt officials who pretend to buy the land for industrialization projects at dirt cheap prices. In fact, they divided the land among themselves to build private houses and pocket the profits. There are quite a few of these men and women in Hanoi and Saigon. They came from all over the nation.

So if some loser who walked up your house, asking to "liberate" your car in the name of the injustice done to the farmer by the system, not you personally, what would you do? Assuming you were filthy rich because your parents own a very good business? He said he needed to sell the car so the destitude farmer could use the money to buy food to feed his family.

I see what you mean, bro, but this is part of corruption and scam. It's typically a byproduct of poverty. It is not as easy to solve it. If someone tell you they can solve such problem, they are pulling your leg. Furthermore, these idiots does not represent the entire government either. They are abusing their power on their own. If the entire government were like that, Vietnam will not made it this far. I am sure of that.

It's just business, In the end people get what ever depending on how you play.

@vietnam, you think too much, I hope one day you will find what you are looking for.

Didn't do us any good here in the US.