http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/us/17stu...amp;oref=slogin

That is the price of speaking out on an unpopular opinion. In China her opinion is VERY unpopular, an element that the western media has yet to comprehend let alone report.

The other side of that is that I bet there are many more Han and other Chinese persons as well as Americans of Chinese descent who are anti Tibetan independence that have remain silent because that opinion is VERY unpopular in the US and Europe, so it cuts both ways.

I support her right to voice her opinion and am totally against who are trying to intimidate her, but she is an idiot to not have seen this coming.

seconded. also writing free tibet on a tibet protestors back in front of the chinese is not a smart idea either.

You people are idiots. Start respecting other people's right to say and think what they want, and stop acting like a mob.

There's no excuse for how this woman was treated. Next you'll be saying rape victims deserved it cause they wore a miniskirt- "she should have seen it coming- miniskirts are very popular with rapists!"

You will defend your mob behavior at any cost!

Tibet is hardly such a popular issue in the US- most people know almost nothing about it.

Incredibly true.

did i say anything about not let letting her speak? I just said she was naive. There are time and places to act. Her time was not it. Her actions neither helped or changed the situation in Tibet. She and those chinese nationalists made it worst.

stupid

It would just be the same as an American, living overseas, who voices support for Osama Bin Laden and states that the U.S. deserved what it got at 9/11 because America was helping Israel oppress the Arabs. That American certainly would not be looked upon lightly, and angry mobs would probably attack his/her home back in the States.

It's unfortunate, but freedom of speech does have its limits.

You've never heard of the Westboro Baptist Church? They said the people who died on 9/11 deserved what they got because Americans are sinful, evil, and all that jazz. The most violence they've ever received was one potential punch to a Westboro individual who was protesting some American soldier's funeral, and not even that is verified.

Saudi Osama bin Laden has cited the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia as the core grievance in his self-proclaimed holy war against the United States, not the support of Israel as you stated. Fifteen of the 19 September 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

Please tell me of instances where Americans had their homes attacked and burned for paying lip service to Bin Laden's grievances.

Examples of Americans who publically presented Bin Ladens viepoint in a somewhat sympathetic manner: Susan Sontag, Rev. Jerry Falwell, Dinesh D'Souza.

I feel no sympathy to traitors, she should be ashamed on trying to help whities destroy her home nation. I think her citizenship should be officially revoked due to this.

you mean this crazy b1tch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpNxwvKOpJk

this type of people is not the first, and definitely not the last to have views like this

^ Exactly. The point is that Americans haven't even physically harmed her, let alone do all this shit:



I don't give a fuck whether people think she's a "traitor". No one deserves this type of harassment just for asking two sides to communicate more.

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Though I dont believe they should harm her physically, but keep note, she is a traitor. Here are quotes under the article, she did chose a side remember and stupidly shown it off to all the other Pro Chinese protesters.

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“She stood her ground; she’s a really brave girl,” said Adam Weiss, the student on whose back Ms. Wang wrote “Free Tibet.” “You have 200 of your own fellow nationalists yelling at you and calling you a traitor and even threatening to kill you.”

Sherry, a Chinese graduate student who declined to give her last name for fear of being harassed, had a less heroic view.

“She claimed she wanted to make communications between both sides, but actually she did nothing before that night. She didn’t communicate with any organizers and actually was just performing,” Sherry said. But she called the backlash against Ms. Wang “horrible.”

“There are a few students that are very angry at her,” she said, “but there are many others who try to protect her, try to speak for her. Actually, the majority didn’t think she did so wrong to be treated like that.”

She said Ms. Wang had squandered some sympathy when, in an article in The Duke Chronicle, she blamed the Duke Chinese Students and Scholars Association for helping to release her information through its e-mail list.

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I believe a lot of the problems she brought it to herself.

I don't see how someone could be considered a traitor if they had never on their own will chosen to be faithful to something in the first place.

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Yes she did choose a side, read below again, it is clear she was pro Tibet, maybe because she has a pro tibet bf.

“She stood her ground; she’s a really brave girl,” said Adam Weiss, the student on whose back Ms. Wang wrote “Free Tibet.” “You have 200 of your own fellow nationalists yelling at you and calling you a traitor and even threatening to kill you.”

^ I'm talking about how she never declared in the first place that she would "be on China's side" just because she's ethnically Chinese.

If I say "fuck all Americans", I'm not a traitor because I never promised to be support all American interests in the first place.

Calling her a traitor is like (excuse the analogy) calling Hitler a traitor to the Jews. Hitler never made any personal promises to the Jews, so it's impossible for to be be considered a traitor to the Jewish people.

trai·tor Audio Help /ˈtreɪtər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[trey-ter] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.
2. a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country.



That girl is considered a traitor because,

1) She is ethnically Chinese. By supporting Tibetan independence, she is a traitor to her race,
2) She is a citizen of RPC. By supporting Tibetan independence, she is a traitor to her country.



That girl is nothing but an opportunistic swine. She'll get her green card now, and will likely land a job at one of those conservative anti-China think tanks once she graduates. She may also get a book deal out of all this. However she chooses to play her card, her actions are condemned by 1.3 BILLION Chinese people!

She is truly courageous.

Not really. She does have security guards behind her back when it comes to her being at Duke, not to mention a horde of White-coated Sheeps who chants "Free-Tibet" with no knowledge about the truth of Tibet.

Poor analogy, total Failure. Hitler was not Jewish, nor did he hold anyone form of citizenship to a nation run by Jews.

BTW, please don't mis-interpret my post. The classification of "Traitor" varies in the minds of different people. Some people beleive that you can only be considered a traitor if you betray something you've sworn a personal oath towards; others say that there are things in life in which you have no choice as to whether or not you're a part of. For example: many Americans feel that American Born Citizens are automatically liable to stay loyal to the U.S. if they're born there, that goes especially true for Whites. Now which definition you wish to stick to is totally your choice. But you're analogy there was pure toilet material and nothing more.

I firmly believe in the former definition, and bad or analogy or not, my point remains that it's unfair to impose a set of dogmatic demands on someone on the basis of arbitrary birth circumstances.

trai·tor Audio Help /ˈtreɪtər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[trey-ter] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.
2. a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country.


This is the dictionary definition of "traitor."


That opportunistic swine is a traitor to,
1) her ethnicity, and
2) her country (she is still a Chinese citizen)

she got her 15minutes. now she is gonna suffer her whole life. not a good tradeoff imo

She is not going to suffer. If anything, out of all this hoopla, she will get her green card, she will land a kooshy job with one of those anti-China think tanks, she will get a million dollar book contract, etc. She will be portrayed by the Western media, for a long time to come, as a shining beacon for Chinese "democracy." A shrewd and despicable swine.

No matter how all this turns out, she'd better remember this, she is a traitor to her race and her country, and she has incurred the wrath of 1.3 billion Chinese people.

From the article:







Well she certainly can't go back to China.

How? By taking a different stance than that approved by the government?
Christ, I though US Neo-Cons were bad.

If a person does not stand with their country then they stand with the enemy. Those who stand with the enemy are traitors. Traitors deserve nothing more than death.

Thus she deserves whatever she's got coming to her, and more.

Beg to differ. Most westerner are completely ignorant of the Tibetan issue but when ask they almost uniformily are pro Tibetan independece. After all, they respect the Dali Lama but know nothing about him.

Secondly, I do respect her right to express her veiws but find it stupid to be surprise by the events.

To go with your analogy about blaming the victims, it like a hot girl going through skid row flashing her tts and getting raped or a guys flashing wads of cash among drug dealers and getting rob. Still a crime, still wrong....but like I said, have got to be an idiot not to see it coming.

A person is defined by his/her actions and she has defined it all for us. Although u have to respect the right to express their opinion. U do not have to respect the opinion itself. That's what defines an idiot an idiot, a smart person a smart person, and a traitor a traitor.

she wanted dialog. naive, but maybe not more naive than the students protesting on tiananmen in 89. funny that 1.3 BILLION Chinese people are afraid of one girl speaking her mind.

Lol @ hundreds of people ganging up on one girl. She's more courageous than they'll ever be , now thats sexy.

you're about 600 years late with that philosophy, pal!

You're forgetting the third choice, to not stand at all. you may see it as cowardly, but she could choose not to participate at all, which it seems is what she wanted. maybe she leaned toward pro-tibetan independence by writing oon the student's back, but the article also says she only did it in exchange for a promise of dialog!

be a person, not a robot! having your own opinion transcends being chinese -- it's about being human!

It's people like the woman in this article who give me hope for CHina's future. The insecure and ultra-nationalist fervor that grips so many people is reminiscent of American rednecks. If only the ultra-nationalists would realize they resemble the very people they hate so much - they're just on the other team. It's pretty sad.

I'm sure most Chinese hate listening to the likes of Sean Hannity. However, the only difference between him and a cCinese nationalist is country of origin. And believe me, the less Sean Hannity's we have in our country the better. It's men like him and George Bush who have hijacked American politics and fu-ked up the world for the past 30 years. I for one don't want to see a world where China does the same.

the reactions to the girl is fu-king ridiculous. all she wanted was both sides to try and sort out their differences and come up with a mutual agreement, or at least know where the other side was coming from. sounds more like people just read the free tibet sign on her back and just went ape$hit without knowing the context, filtering out everything else.

Listening to some of the comments being made here, you'd think that the Chinese girl was unfurling "Free Tibet" banners or was wearing a Tibetan flag or something.



Read the story - she asked both sides to communicate more and was trying to make peace! Geeesh.

Ummm.......how did she "stand with the enemy?"

Well the girl that curse and swear during the period of moaning after the 2008 Sichuan earthquake for her internet access had it coming, at least this one isn't advocating Tibet independence or free Tibet. As for overreacting, this happen during the Olympic torch relay when the Free Tibet organization tried to disrupted it so I'm not surprise that the students became hot heads over this.

The reaction of the Chinese nationalists involved: Shrill, unreasonable, hasty, vitriolic, irrational, ridiculous.

Blame it on the free tibet disrupting the torch relay, I'm not surprise over this.

that girl about the Sichuan earthquake has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. but anyway, no $hit. she's a dumb spoiled little c_nt that needs to be slapped. anyway back on topic, true it was during a heated moment where everyone was on edge. however, the extremity that some went to is unacceptable. her family's home address and phone number was passed out on the internet as if to invite physical or whatever harm to her parents back home. that is fu-king atrocious behavior

I'm more interested on how they manage to get the home address and phone number.

well, she's a university student. so were the protestors and the anti protestors, it wouldn't be that difficult for another university student going to the same college find out her emergency contact information

Hope the parents move to another place and the girl is doing alright.

Would be interesting if that girl rises to preeminence 10, 20 years from now as some major political figure.


This experience would make an impact in her life, probably be written about in her biography.

Yup, probably asking herself why she didn't sense the current mood on the free Tibet issue.

I'm getting sick & tired of Tibet this & Tibet that, free tibet etc...
These people should be ashamed of themselves, Tibet has little wealth, if they are somehow freed or gone independent how can they survive by haveing monks as their countries mascot?
What a joke.