According to this article below, the inviolablity of Cambodia's border had been recognized by the National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam and Hanoi in 1967. So why did the Hun Sen government have to negotiate with Hanoi again about Cambodian borders???? The Vietnamese pressured the Hun Sen government to label the Cambodian territory bording Vietnam as "white zones". Under the Hun Sen government, Cambodia now has lost the disputed island of Koh Tral to Hanoi. This clearly shows that the Vietnamese are untrustworthy in fair dealing. What do you think????

So, where is the 1967 map? And what was the damage?

I don't talk to a nitwit with broken English such as you. I only discuss with a human being, not a low-ranking primmate who always needs to be educated in everything humanly.

Suit yourself, but my question still stand to those who know about the border maping that was agreed on in 1967, and the lost incurred by Cambodia as a result of the new agreement.

they havent been settled yet. To this day, Koh Tral is still Cambodian land. Depends on when we will fight for it back in court or other means. Wait till Hun Sen is gone. The people will wake up, I know it.

That is very encouraging, indeed. However, according to wikipedia on Koh Tral aka Phu Quoc, Vietnam now "adminsters" the island.



Please learn to write correct standard English, and also please underscore the fact that I already told you that you are not a part of any of my discussions. Learn to take the rejection gracefully as you should. Shoo fly don't bother me no more.

Stop dreaming. There have not been any Khmer living on the island for centuries now. No one in Cambodia is going to fight for it.


I didn't talk to you. Can't you read?

If I ever see that low-class primate responding to any of my responses again, let the lightning does its job.

This article below confirms categorically that there are Cambodian people living on the Khmer Island of Koh Tral which the Vietnamese rename as "Phu Quoc".

well, im glad you brought up infomation concerning the issue, thats what its all about,

i notice the trolls arnt around to start all the flamming, i posted up simular infomation concering Thailand, Lao and Cambodian border talks, and all i got for a response to the article from Khmer trolls was, Lao doesnt have any beaches, and is a lot poorer then Cambodia, or at least the overall GDP.

seriously, that was their response.

This is the funniest article I ever seen. For over centuries, there are just 10 Khmers family living on the island and and they think that that is good enough base for Cambodia to claim ownership of it, lmao!

I liked 1967, especially the end of it.

Do you mean the US bombing of the HCM trail?

Not at all. I wasn't there to see it. It was more about the foundation of ASEAN and me.

Thanks for clear thing up for me.

never trust vietnamese!

People get displaced, migrate, or they become intermixed. 1970's Khmer people had to evacuate because of the Khmer Rouge, and on top of that there was an incursion between the VC and Khmer Rouge forces on that island. Sure the article might be ridiculous to you, but according to maps dating from the 1950's and documents from the French, Koh Tral is Khmer land.

This is from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phu_Quoc

"Sadly, the island is on a very old a fault line of dispute between Vietnam and Cambodia. Phu Quoc and large tracts of the rich Mekong Delta became part of Vietnam through decisions make under the French Administration of "Cochinchine" in the late 1800s. Before Hanoi had taken full control of the south, Cambodia moved to reclaim what it believed rightfully belonged to it.

On May 1, 1975, a team of Khmer Rouge soldiers raided and took Phu Quoc Island. Hanoi soon retook the island but a new war had begun. The Vietnam-Cambodia War missed the headlines, but a series of incursions and counter incursions eventually escalated to the capture Phnom Penh by Vietnamese forces in 1979.

Despite the world applauding the overthrow of Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge resistance fought on through a bloody guerrilla campaign. Vietnamese troops held the cities while the Khmer Rouge controlled the rural areas. Phu Quoc became a major military stronghold over 50,000 military housed in bases over the north of the island. The struggle did not end until Vietnam withdrew its troops in the late 1980s. Compared to the 2m+ killed in the Vietnam War, the body count was small, estimated at 30,000 on each side. Tensions along the border continued into the early 1990s but have eased from then. Bitter memories remain.

The early part of this article refers to the recent history of Koh Tral. In fact, Koh Tral is a Cambodian island. In 1856, a Cambodian King, King Ang Duong, just prior to the French protectorate, reminds France of Koh Tral, a Cambodian island. For historical facts refer to this article: http://ki-media.blogspot.com/2006/02/vietn...-to.html."

the island increased in population from 5,000 to 55,000

thats called taking land by having the upperhand of population size

why not move all Vietnamese citizens to the island that belongs to Cambodia?

Oh and lets rename it Phu Quoc

How about American people give their land back to the Indians? Let us white, black and yellow people all back up and go back to our countries of origin?

Phú Quốc have been under the administration of Viet people since late 1700s

Don't talk about the fairminded American people and their country. Many American people are mixed with the Indians already. So they are genetically living in the land of their ancestors anyway. You are simply one disgusting biased on-sided brat I have ever seen. Even your statement is a lie. Here is the truth about the Khmer territory lost the shameless Vietnamese land grabbers through the years. The Vietnamese detached 21 Khmer provinces and 2 Khmer islands from Cambodia. According to the timeline below, the shameless Vietnamese grabbed the Khmer island of Koh Tral in 1939, not the 1700's as you claim. You are quite annoying when it comes to learn the truth about what really belongs to Cambodia and the Khmer people. I just don't know why the Vietnamese with their superiority in army, economy, and number do not decide to RECLAIM their ancestral territories under the Chinese control???? In fact, they can't even grab a part of the Chinese-owned Spratley Islands. All they can do is to protest at the Chinese Embassy in Hanoi with messages like: "China stop invading Vietnamese territory", etc. From this light, it seems that Vietnamese are the most unfriendly biased racist people on this planet earth. In America, the American constitution guarantee the rights of the American people, but in Vietnamese the Khmer original inhabitants are continually looked down upon and discriminated against on the daily basis. This evil institutionalized racist policy of the Vietnamese against the Khmer people must stop, period. There are articles that say that the Vietnamese government does not appreciate and welcome the contribution of the Khmer Krom people towards their nation building. If the Vietnamese are so mean-spirited in such a manner, then it is only right that the Khmer Krom people need to demand their independence to manage their right to self-determination. In general Vietnamese are accustomed to be ruled over, for example, by the Chinese, French, and Americans. Therefore, when the Vietnamese absorbed some of the Khmer people, they simply do not know who to respectfully treat the Khmer people, period. The Vietnamese are not the friendly, respectful kind like the Americans, the Chinese, or the French.

The followings are Khmer provincial, municipal and island names lost to the encroaching Vietnamese invaders and that the Vietnamese authorities have changed repeatedly.

1. O Kab province
in Vietnamese - Vung Tau
circa 1651 Vietnamese encroached

2. Preah Suorkea province
in Vietnamese - Baria
circa 1651 Vietnamese encroached

3. Changva Trapeang Sraka Trey
province in Vietnamese - Bien Hoa
circa 1651 Vietnamese encroached

4. Kampong Kou province
(New name) in Vietnamese - Tan An
circa 1669 Vietnamese encroached

5. Prey Nokor city
in Vietnamese - Ho Chi Minh city (Saigon)
circa 1696 Vietnamese encroached

6. Tuol Tamoak province
in Vietnamese - Thu Du Mot
circa 1696 Vietnamese encroached

7. Peam Banteay Meas province
in Vietnamese - Ha Tien
circa 1715 Vietnamese encroached

8. Peam Barach province
in Vietnamese - Long Xuyen
circa 1715, 1731 Vietnamese encroached

9. Mort Chrouk province
in Vietnamese - Chau Doc, now An Giang
circa 1715, 1757 Vietnamese encroached

10. Kramuon Sor province
in Vietnamese - Rach Gia
circa 1715, 1757, 1758 Vietnamese encroached

11. Preah Trapeang province
in Vietnamese - Tra Vinh
(Vinh Binh)
circa 1731, 1840 Vietnamese encroached

12. Long Hor province
in Vietnamese - Vinh Long
circa 1731 Vietnamese encroached

13. Me Sor province
in Vietnamese - My Tho
circa 1731 Vietnamese encroached

14. Koh Koang province
in Vietnamese - Go Cong
circa 1731 Vietnamese encroached

15. Kampong Russey province
in Vietnamese - Ben Tre
circa 1732 Vietnamese encroached

16. Phsar Dek province
in Vietnamese - Sadec
circa 1757 Vietnamese encroached

17. Prek Russey province
in Vietnamese - Can Tho
circa 1758, 1840 Vietnamese encroached

18. Khleang province
in Vietnamese - Soc Trang
circa 1758, 1840 Vietnamese encroached

19. Koh Tralach (Tralach Island)
in Vietnamese - Con Dao (Con Son)
circa 1765 Vietnamese encroached

20. Raung Domrei province
in Vietnamese - Tay Ninh
circa 1770 Vietnamese encroached

21. Pol Leav province
in Vietnamese - Bac Lieu
circa 1840 Vietnamese encroached

22. Tuk Khmau province
in Vietnamese - Ca Mau
circa 1840 Vietnamese encroached

23. Koh Tral (Tral Island)
in Vietnamese - Phu Quoc island
circa 1939 Vietnamese encroached

LOL The area was controlled by a Ming Loyalist Chinese General named Mạc Cửu since 1671.

In 1720s, Mạc Cửu contacted Lord Nguyễn and asked to be the subject of Lord Nguyễn, offering all his land to the Lord and Lord Nguyễn made him the ruler of Phú Quốc and many other provinces in Southern Vietnam. So technically the Chinese took control of the area first but then the Chinese leader offered all their land to Lord Nguyễn so the areas came under Viet control.

Isnt Koh Tral being developed by vietnamese firms already? I think I've seen modern maps of Indochina naming that Island as Phu Quoc too.

just cuz they renamed the island and maps around the world recognize it as Phu Quoc doesnt mean it belongs to them. Its because nobody has organized and protested against these land grabbing. Its as if we let them take it from us for free. We are just starting to protest for these lands back. There are countless Kampuchea Krom protesting for their rights and right to land.

uh learn some history would you? The name Phú Quốc has been there since late 1600s. It was named by the Chinese living there, not Vietnamese. In short the name Phú Quốc was already there when the Chinese leader named Mạc Cửu offered all his land in South Vietnam to Lord Nguyễn.

Bull $hit I don't give a damn what new map or how they rename something that isn't there to begin with, so stop taking properties that are not your. Anybody can make up a new drawn map or whatever but you can't erase the truth.

Let me add my thought for the day. Not too long ago I read news stories about Vietnamese residing in South Korea committing suicides because the Vietnamese found it unbearable to adapt to the Korean culture and learn to speak the Korean language. Before that I read a book written in English by a Vietnamese author describing the racism and discrimination the Vietnamese youths were experiencing in the United States and they eventually had to join the Vietnamese organized gangs for survival. These images in these stories made me think of the plight of the Khmer Krom people suffering from the on-going daily discrimination and racism by the institutionalized racist policy of the Vietnamese government and people. For example, expect the native Khmer-speaking only students to learn the concepts in their Vietnamese language and when the students do not learn, the Vietnamese teachers consider those Khmer students as "LAZY and STUPID". This is outrageous! The Vietnamese government continues to take farm land from the Khmer Krom people and build their construction projects on the Khmer Krom land. In some areas, the Vietnamese government only allow the Vietnamese people to farm on the land, while the Khmer Krom farming projects are destroyed because they are not approved by the Vietnamese government. The Khmer Krom are restricted in every way. It is time that the Khmer Krom demand what is best for them and their future generation to come.

Now going to back to the Khmer island of Koh Tral (Phu Quoc) and the claim that it was controlled by that Chinese dude named Mo Jiu (Mac Cuu). Koh Tral aka Phu Quoc is currently adminstered as part of the former Khmer province of Peam Banteay Meas aka Kien Giang Province of Vietnam. However, according to the article below, the Chinese dude was never allowed by the Khmer court to develop the island at all. So the claim is false. Even the history of Koh Tral does not show that it was a part of any provinces. In fact, the article shows that everything was of the Khmer people. Even the settlement of the Chinese soldiers in the former Khmer territories of by the Vietnamese emperor had to be approved by the Khmer court.

^very well said i applause you. It clearly shows that some viet are not well educated and grew up with propaganda their whole life, so don't blame these people for their low level educated in histories.

Here, I just want to point out that the Khmer King needed Vietnamese help to keep the Thai from swallow up Cambodia. And when one is helping you with something as important like this they are welcome to live with you in your home. And for the Khmer people to claim that Vietnamese stealing their land is out of this world. It is nothing but propaganda.

dont matter what you guys called it back in the 1600's. Khmers call it Koh Tral and that island belonged to Cambodia end of story. Its like you calling my fish wanda when really its name is Patt. Then you take my fish and call it wanda.

good one

This is why I'm glad Paracels are now Chinese, it gives the Viets a taste of their own medicine.