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Bulyowoo
Koreans called spicy beef soup as Solong-tang and hawk as Songol.
They sound very much like Mongolian to me.

Any clue?
UrbanCultureParanoia
Solongos-Korea
wildhog
QUOTE(Bulyowoo @ Apr 28 2008, 01:03 AM) [snapback]3665925[/snapback]
Koreans called spicy beef soup as Solong-tang and hawk as Songol.
They sound very much like Mongolian to me.

Any clue?


solongo - rainbow

songolt - choice

songuuli - election/s
Bulyowoo
QUOTE(wildhog @ Apr 29 2008, 09:26 AM) [snapback]3667169[/snapback]
solongo - rainbow

songolt - choice

songuuli - election/s


thx biggthumpup.gif
UrbanCultureParanoia
sonin-newspaper
Bulyowoo
QUOTE(UrbanCultureParanoia @ Apr 29 2008, 10:46 PM) [snapback]3668539[/snapback]
sonin-newspaper


Hmmm, we have somun as rumor or news.
son-nim - guest
moolah
QUOTE(Bulyowoo @ Apr 29 2008, 08:39 PM) [snapback]3669682[/snapback]
Hmmm, we have somun as rumor or news.
son-nim - guest


I'm 99.9% sure that those are Chinese loan words. "Solong" and "Songol" probably aren't, though.
Darkblade
you mean somun is xinwen (news) guest is keren or laibin I dont think sonim is a loan word. But give me the hanja and we can tell that badteeth.gif
Bulyowoo
QUOTE(Darkblade @ May 1 2008, 09:53 AM) [snapback]3671575[/snapback]
you mean somun is xinwen (news) guest is keren or laibin I dont think sonim is a loan word. But give me the hanja and we can tell that badteeth.gif


sorry I don't know hanja for son-nim.

another one
Sori-sound
moolah
QUOTE(Darkblade @ Apr 30 2008, 07:53 PM) [snapback]3671575[/snapback]
you mean somun is xinwen (news) guest is keren or laibin I dont think sonim is a loan word. But give me the hanja and we can tell that badteeth.gif


Well... I looked it up and I guess it's not a loan word after all embarassedlaugh.gif .
Somun (所聞) does not mean news, it means rumor. News is so-shik (消息).


Bulyowoo
It's really hard to find cognates between Korean and Mongolian because the majority of Korean vocabulary comes from Chinese.

Rainbow
Mongolian- solongo
Korean- mujigae

not even the native words sound alike bawling.gif
UrbanCultureParanoia
Come in -Oro or OR
Go out -GAra or Gar
UrbanCultureParanoia
A little or small in Mongolian -Jaahan or Johon
moolah
QUOTE(UrbanCultureParanoia @ May 2 2008, 05:16 PM) [snapback]3675396[/snapback]
Come in -Oro or OR
Go out -GAra or Gar


Korean
Come in- deureowa (command); deureo-onda (__ing)
Come- wa or wara, ora; onda
Go out- naga or nagara; naganda
Go- ga or gara; ganda
Small- jageun, joguman

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UrbanCultureParanoia
ok very close.Some are might be similiar like Mongolian.
When we say come in imperative Or or Oroo Of course this is Mongolian
Darkblade
QUOTE(moolah @ May 2 2008, 05:12 PM) [snapback]3675393[/snapback]
Well... I looked it up and I guess it's not a loan word after all embarassedlaugh.gif .
Somun (所聞) does not mean news, it means rumor. News is so-shik (消息).
Bulyowoo
It's really hard to find cognates between Korean and Mongolian because the majority of Korean vocabulary comes from Chinese.

Rainbow
Mongolian- solongo
Korean- mujigae

not even the native words sound alike bawling.gif


Soshik (消息) = xiao xi = news haha

It does sound like a loan word. Anyway, I think you guys have more similarities with tungusic language like manchu or xibe language instead of the mongolic mongolian.
moolah
QUOTE(Darkblade @ May 3 2008, 12:48 AM) [snapback]3676014[/snapback]
Soshik (消息) = xiao xi = news haha

It does sound like a loan word. Anyway, I think you guys have more similarities with tungusic language like manchu or xibe language instead of the mongolic mongolian.


It's just too bad there isn't a Manchu Chat on here. But I don't think they'd speak much Manchu, anyway.

Aisin Gioro
Nurhaci
Dorgon

They don't sound very Korean. But doesn't Manchu have many Mongolian loanwords?
PaxMongolica
Yes...they have alot of Mongolian words..shame no body speaks Manchu these days!!!
UrbanCultureParanoia
Baruunaasaa 2 dahi huuhen chin hen bileede
Bulyowoo
QUOTE(moolah @ May 3 2008, 07:12 AM) [snapback]3675393[/snapback]
Well... I looked it up and I guess it's not a loan word after all embarassedlaugh.gif .
Somun (所聞) does not mean news, it means rumor. News is so-shik (消息).
Bulyowoo
It's really hard to find cognates between Korean and Mongolian because the majority of Korean vocabulary comes from Chinese.

Rainbow
Mongolian- solongo
Korean- mujigae

not even the native words sound alike bawling.gif



QUOTE(moolah @ May 4 2008, 06:29 AM) [snapback]3677138[/snapback]
It's just too bad there isn't a Manchu Chat on here. But I don't think they'd speak much Manchu, anyway.

Aisin Gioro
Nurhaci
Dorgon

They don't sound very Korean. But doesn't Manchu have many Mongolian loanwords?


Actually modern Koreans aren't same as used to be. It's heavy on Sino-Korean just like Japanese. Thanks to Han Dynasty and Ming Dynasy, Koreans became more Chinese in culture than fellow Mongolians or Mohe stocks.

Manchus are related to Jurchens rather than original mohe stock. And there are many Jurchens, not just few, Jurchens were like Mongolian nomadic tribes, and we collectively called them Jurchens.
Some ppl actually mistaken Mohe tribes are Jurchens, it's actually different stock all together but in terms of DNAs original Manchus are more closely related to Korean stocks than average Chinese or Mongolian.

My ancestor came from some where near Tumen river, and natives there have their native names more sound like names you mentioned above. There is more Mohe like names like Go-gul, Sandarra, Jumong, Yuri, Hanul, Nalu, Nobak etc.. actually my grandma's name is Kim Nobak, this sort of names are hard to come by now days.

Btw, Nurhaci in Korean is Naluhachi, and this isn't new to Korean, we had this name before, does Tangun sound anything like today's Korean name or title?

Don't try to smudge Koreans from rest of NE asian family without much knowledge about Korea.

Oh another thing, Korean govt is encouraging Koreans to takeup more native names than Hanja names. We will be hearing more Korean native names soon, already we have girls name such as Guseol, Hanuel, Sara, and Seri.
UrbanCultureParanoia
Sar -Moon (in Mongolian ) Sara is also the name of a girl. Moongirl lol
moolah
QUOTE(Bulyowoo @ May 7 2008, 06:53 PM) [snapback]3684292[/snapback]
Actually modern Koreans aren't same as used to be. It's heavy on Sino-Korean just like Japanese. Thanks to Han Dynasty and Ming Dynasy, Koreans became more Chinese in culture than fellow Mongolians or Mohe stocks.

Manchus are related to Jurchens rather than original mohe stock. And there are many Jurchens, not just few, Jurchens were like Mongolian nomadic tribes, and we collectively called them Jurchens.
Some ppl actually mistaken Mohe tribes are Jurchens, it's actually different stock all together but in terms of DNAs original Manchus are more closely related to Korean stocks than average Chinese or Mongolian.

My ancestor came from some where near Tumen river, and natives there have their native names more sound like names you mentioned above. There is more Mohe like names like Go-gul, Sandarra, Jumong, Yuri, Hanul, Nalu, Nobak etc.. actually my grandma's name is Kim Nobak, this sort of names are hard to come by now days.

Btw, Nurhaci in Korean is Naluhachi, and this isn't new to Korean, we had this name before, does Tangun sound anything like today's Korean name or title?

Don't try to smudge Koreans from rest of NE asian family without much knowledge about Korea.

Oh another thing, Korean govt is encouraging Koreans to takeup more native names than Hanja names. We will be hearing more Korean native names soon, already we have girls name such as Guseol, Hanuel, Sara, and Seri.


lol, I think've hit a nerve.
I'm not trying to shoot the Northeastern connection down or anything, but I'm a little skeptical on the whole Altai deal, especially with the number of ultra-nationalists on forums like these. No doubt the modern Koreans have strong connections to their Tungusic and Mongolic neighbors. But still, with the overbearing Chinese influences, that is difficult to tell.

I thought that the Mohe/Malgal were the ancestors of the Jurchen, and the Jurchen gave rise to the Manchus, the Nanais, etc.
Nurhaci, Nuerhachi, Naruhachi.
Koreans pronounce Mao Zedong as Mao Jjuhddoong, does this sound in any way like the real name? I have never heard Nurhaci in authentic Manchu pronunciation, so I really can't tell whether I'm just being a pedantic dumba$$ or not. Maybe it has something to do with the lack of an 'r' ending in Korean? Mongolian has 'r' endings, and I think Manchu does too. I think Dangun sounds reasonably Korean, though.

Tumen natives... with Goguryeo names? Amazing!

I'm not trying to "smudge" anything.

The Korean government is encouraging more native Korean names? That's cool, but I don't know how the dollimja system will cope with that. Will the eldest be called Haneul, the middle child Hana, and the youngest Haneunim? lol, what holy children!


Moon in Korean is 'dal.' I think Sara is an early variant of Silla.
ouou
QUOTE(Bulyowoo @ May 7 2008, 06:53 PM) [snapback]3684292[/snapback]
Actually modern Koreans aren't same as used to be. It's heavy on Sino-Korean just like Japanese. Thanks to Han Dynasty and Ming Dynasy, Koreans became more Chinese in culture than fellow Mongolians or Mohe stocks.

Manchus are related to Jurchens rather than original mohe stock. And there are many Jurchens, not just few, Jurchens were like Mongolian nomadic tribes, and we collectively called them Jurchens.
Some ppl actually mistaken Mohe tribes are Jurchens, it's actually different stock all together but in terms of DNAs original Manchus are more closely related to Korean stocks than average Chinese or Mongolian.

My ancestor came from some where near Tumen river, and natives there have their native names more sound like names you mentioned above. There is more Mohe like names like Go-gul, Sandarra, Jumong, Yuri, Hanul, Nalu, Nobak etc.. actually my grandma's name is Kim Nobak, this sort of names are hard to come by now days.

Btw, Nurhaci in Korean is Naluhachi, and this isn't new to Korean, we had this name before, does Tangun sound anything like today's Korean name or title?

Don't try to smudge Koreans from rest of NE asian family without much knowledge about Korea.

Oh another thing, Korean govt is encouraging Koreans to takeup more native names than Hanja names. We will be hearing more Korean native names soon, already we have girls name such as Guseol, Hanuel, Sara, and Seri.



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Kim Jon il must be a Jurchen Korean......
Nurerhaci must be a Manchu Korean......
Genghis Khan must be a Mongol Korean..
Confucius must be a Shangdong Korean....
Koreans built Qing dynasty......
Korean built Jing dynasty....
Koreans built Liao dynasty....
Korean built Yuan dynasty......
Koreans = jurchens = mongols = manchus = kitans = mohe = ruru = xiongnu = altaic masters


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