Full Version: Nanking
I'm currently reading Iris Chang's book "The Rape of Nanking," about the 1937 genocidal massacre of roughly 260,000-400,000 Chinese by the Japanese military. The massacre includes some of the most gruesome acts committed against man that I've ever read, including various forms of torture and rape. I'm curious what you guys think about this incident.
I read that book ten years ago when it first published. At that time I think there were protests in japan about that book, adn that they don't want it translated into japanese. She even got death threats.
I strongly believe this book should be a mandatory reading in japanese's high school system. They need to know the truth and understand why they're hated by the chinese, koreans, and the entire southeast asians. By such understanding then they will know what is the proper approach to amend the hatred.
I strongly believe this book should be a mandatory reading in japanese's high school system. They need to know the truth and understand why they're hated by the chinese, koreans, and the entire southeast asians. By such understanding then they will know what is the proper approach to amend the hatred.
Are there even any Japanese here to discuss this topic?
Chinese people really need to get over this Nanking rape.
The Chinese have done many things to its minorities for thousand of years and you don't
hear them complain about it and when they do, it's consider BOGUS...
You don't hear the Korean complain about Japanese.
Leave Japan alone. Emperor Hirohito era is gone.
The Chinese have done many things to its minorities for thousand of years and you don't
hear them complain about it and when they do, it's consider BOGUS...
You don't hear the Korean complain about Japanese.
Leave Japan alone. Emperor Hirohito era is gone.
I'm not Chinese. I just want to have a discussion about it with Japanese people.
I believe the consensus is "It's tragic, but let's move on".
QUOTE(scorp @ Apr 29 2008, 08:10 AM) [snapback]3668057[/snapback]
I read that book ten years ago when it first published. At that time I think there were protests in japan about that book, adn that they don't want it translated into japanese. She even got death threats.
I strongly believe this book should be a mandatory reading in japanese's high school system. They need to know the truth and understand why they're hated by the chinese, koreans, and the entire southeast asians. By such understanding then they will know what is the proper approach to amend the hatred.
I strongly believe this book should be a mandatory reading in japanese's high school system. They need to know the truth and understand why they're hated by the chinese, koreans, and the entire southeast asians. By such understanding then they will know what is the proper approach to amend the hatred.
i believe most are passed that... just like europe is
The Hmong helped fought against the Japanese with the Vietnamese and I think French.
Many Hmong elders talked about the Japanese.... blah blah and their cruelty but they don't hold any grudges.
The past is the past.
I like Japanese,
my niece and nephew are JAPANESE...
Many Hmong elders talked about the Japanese.... blah blah and their cruelty but they don't hold any grudges.
The past is the past.
I like Japanese,
my niece and nephew are JAPANESE...
Most people can't move on because the Japanese govt hasn't officially apologized or paid reparations $$$ to the surviving victims and their families. In fact, the perpetrators of this massacre lived ordinary and, in some cases, prosperous lives in Japan until their death. Some still live today. They were never brought to justice.
The Chinese government has waived Japan's paying for war damages and reparations. In turn, Japan provided China with Overseas Development Aid.
QUOTE(scorp @ Apr 29 2008, 02:10 PM) [snapback]3668057[/snapback]
I read that book ten years ago when it first published. At that time I think there were protests in japan about that book, adn that they don't want it translated into japanese. She even got death threats.
I strongly believe this book should be a mandatory reading in japanese's high school system. They need to know the truth and understand why they're hated by the chinese, koreans, and the entire southeast asians. By such understanding then they will know what is the proper approach to amend the hatred.
I strongly believe this book should be a mandatory reading in japanese's high school system. They need to know the truth and understand why they're hated by the chinese, koreans, and the entire southeast asians. By such understanding then they will know what is the proper approach to amend the hatred.
No not entirely, I think Indonesia is the only country that doesn't hate Japan as the Japaneses help us to proclaim, defend and build our country...there are lots of Japanese soldiers buried in our Hero's cemetery ground. Only hero's could be buried there.
Have you ever heard of those japanese soldiers who stayed in Indonesia to help us defend the country from aggression ?
they made a movie about it. Merdeka17805
The japanses govt. has downplayed the whole atrocity and in their textbooks, the incident was never mentioned. The japanese youth were taught to glorify the japanese army as heros, and its citizens were the victims of atomic bombs.
The japanese younger generation never truly understood the japanese rule in WWII of asia invasion, and think the hatrid derives from economic jealousy. They also hold a superiority views of themselves over the chinese, for all is carefully orchestrated by the japanese govt., to hide their horrandous act and maintain their bonzai nationalism. There was even a topic about how the japanese educators saying the massacre never existed and was fabricated by the chinese themselves.
The japanese younger generation never truly understood the japanese rule in WWII of asia invasion, and think the hatrid derives from economic jealousy. They also hold a superiority views of themselves over the chinese, for all is carefully orchestrated by the japanese govt., to hide their horrandous act and maintain their bonzai nationalism. There was even a topic about how the japanese educators saying the massacre never existed and was fabricated by the chinese themselves.
QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ Apr 29 2008, 01:30 AM) [snapback]3668277[/snapback]
No not entirely, I think Indonesia is the only country that doesn't hate Japan as the Japaneses help us to proclaim, defend and build our country...there are lots of Japanese soldiers buried in our Hero's cemetery ground. Only hero's could be buried there.
Have you ever heard of those japanese soldiers who stayed in Indonesia to help us defend the country from aggression ?
they made a movie about it. Merdeka17805
Have you ever heard of those japanese soldiers who stayed in Indonesia to help us defend the country from aggression ?
they made a movie about it. Merdeka17805
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Initially Japanese occupation was welcomed by the Indonesians as liberators. During the occupation, the Indonesian nationalist movement increased in popularity. In July 1942, leading nationalists like Sukarno accepted Japan's offer to rally the public in support of the Japanese war effort. Both Sukarno and Mohammad Hatta were decorated by the Emperor of Japan in 1943.
Japanese rulers divided Indonesia into three regions; Sumatra was placed under the 25th Army, Java and Madura were under the 16th Army, while Borneo and eastern Indonesia were controlled by the Navy 2nd South Fleet. The 25th Army was headquartered in Singapore and also controlled Malaya until April 1943, when its command was narrowed to just Sumatra and the headquarters moved to Bukittinggi. The 16th Army was headquartered in Jakarta, while the 2nd South Fleet was headquartered in Makassar.
Experience of the Japanese occupation of Indonesia varied considerably, depending upon where one lived and one's social position. Many who lived in areas considered important to the war effort experienced torture, sex slavery, arbitrary arrest and execution, and other war crimes. Many thousands of people were taken away from Indonesia as unfree labour (romusha) for Japanese military projects, including the Burma-Siam Railway, and suffered or died as a result of ill-treatment and starvation. People of Dutch and mixed Dutch-Indonesian descent were particular targets of the Japanese occupation.
During the World War II occupation, tens of thousands of Indonesians were to starve, work as slave labourers, or be forced from their homes. In the National Revolution that followed, tens, even hundreds, of thousands (including civilians), would die in fighting against the Japanese, Allied forces, and other Indonesians, before Independence was achieved. A later United Nations report stated that four million people died in Indonesia as a result of famine and forced labor during the Japanese occupation, including 30,000 European civilian internee deaths.
Materially, whole railway lines, railway rolling stock, and industrial plants in Java were appropriated and shipped back to Japan and Manchuria. British intelligence reports during the occupation noted significant removals of any materials that could be used in the war effort.
Japanese rulers divided Indonesia into three regions; Sumatra was placed under the 25th Army, Java and Madura were under the 16th Army, while Borneo and eastern Indonesia were controlled by the Navy 2nd South Fleet. The 25th Army was headquartered in Singapore and also controlled Malaya until April 1943, when its command was narrowed to just Sumatra and the headquarters moved to Bukittinggi. The 16th Army was headquartered in Jakarta, while the 2nd South Fleet was headquartered in Makassar.
Experience of the Japanese occupation of Indonesia varied considerably, depending upon where one lived and one's social position. Many who lived in areas considered important to the war effort experienced torture, sex slavery, arbitrary arrest and execution, and other war crimes. Many thousands of people were taken away from Indonesia as unfree labour (romusha) for Japanese military projects, including the Burma-Siam Railway, and suffered or died as a result of ill-treatment and starvation. People of Dutch and mixed Dutch-Indonesian descent were particular targets of the Japanese occupation.
During the World War II occupation, tens of thousands of Indonesians were to starve, work as slave labourers, or be forced from their homes. In the National Revolution that followed, tens, even hundreds, of thousands (including civilians), would die in fighting against the Japanese, Allied forces, and other Indonesians, before Independence was achieved. A later United Nations report stated that four million people died in Indonesia as a result of famine and forced labor during the Japanese occupation, including 30,000 European civilian internee deaths.
Materially, whole railway lines, railway rolling stock, and industrial plants in Java were appropriated and shipped back to Japan and Manchuria. British intelligence reports during the occupation noted significant removals of any materials that could be used in the war effort.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occu...on_of_Indonesia
QUOTE(OpenPix @ Apr 29 2008, 02:00 AM) [snapback]3668043[/snapback]
I'm curious what you guys think about this incident.
It was bad.
I think the main area of friction is with the historical revisionism taught in Japanese school books & certain Japanese right wing politicians who stir things up with Nanjing and the issue of Comfort Women. If it werent for that I think most of the confrontations wouldnt happen.
It's a blemish on Sino-Japanese relations, that's for sure.
Personally, I expect the Japanese side to make a formal apology that both acknowledges and shows remorse for it. I think a lot of the grudges that Chinese hold against Japanese would begin to diminish soon after.
We need to be clear that hatred towards current Japanese civilians is NOT okay, and any talks of revenge or payback is utterly ridiculous. The only people that we should hold in contempt are the ones who actually committed the crimes and those who supported them.
Personally, I expect the Japanese side to make a formal apology that both acknowledges and shows remorse for it. I think a lot of the grudges that Chinese hold against Japanese would begin to diminish soon after.
We need to be clear that hatred towards current Japanese civilians is NOT okay, and any talks of revenge or payback is utterly ridiculous. The only people that we should hold in contempt are the ones who actually committed the crimes and those who supported them.
Regardless of what the actual numbers were this was a disgusting event. Unjustifiable.
QUOTE(xeemlauj @ Apr 29 2008, 01:59 AM) [snapback]3668129[/snapback]
Chinese people really need to get over this Nanking rape.
The Chinese have done many things to its minorities for thousand of years and you don't
hear them complain about it and when they do, it's consider BOGUS...
You don't hear the Korean complain about Japanese.
Leave Japan alone. Emperor Hirohito era is gone.
The Chinese have done many things to its minorities for thousand of years and you don't
hear them complain about it and when they do, it's consider BOGUS...
You don't hear the Korean complain about Japanese.
Leave Japan alone. Emperor Hirohito era is gone.
To be honest, your opinion doesn't matter as you're not Chinese. I think this event also has to do with the concept of "face" in Chinese culture. And where did you hear people say it was bogus? And FYI, some Koreans do complain and some don't. The same for Chinese.
Well said.
QUOTE(Henry123 @ Apr 29 2008, 07:39 AM) [snapback]3668440[/snapback]
I think the main area of friction is with the historical revisionism taught in Japanese school books & certain Japanese right wing politicians who stir things up with Nanjing and the issue of Comfort Women. If it werent for that I think most of the confrontations wouldn't happen.
QUOTE(xeemlauj @ Apr 29 2008, 02:59 AM) [snapback]3668129[/snapback]
Chinese people really need to get over this Nanking rape.
The Chinese have done many things to its minorities for thousand of years and you don't
hear them complain about it and when they do, it's consider BOGUS...
You don't hear the Korean complain about Japanese.
Leave Japan alone. Emperor Hirohito era is gone.
The Chinese have done many things to its minorities for thousand of years and you don't
hear them complain about it and when they do, it's consider BOGUS...
You don't hear the Korean complain about Japanese.
Leave Japan alone. Emperor Hirohito era is gone.
Are you kidding me, as long as the Japanese didnt mention anything about that we will still complain about it. But yet again I dont hate Japanese as individuals, and this statement is funny:
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You don't hear the Korean complain about Japanese.
Are you sure you have access of 'communication media' lol ...
Do you hear chinese complaining Mongol genocide in china, they won the war we were conquered, and it was written in history in the past just like huangdi's huaxia won the war against chiyou's jiuli tribes. The war is over, its written in history and it was 6000 years ago. The stronger nation in military will always conquer the weaker nation, it was the rule back then that is why there are no more lombard, frank, sorb, celtic, ruthenian, lothringen (lorienne), occitan, burgundian and many other tribes in europe. They are all conquered by the stronger tribes and they become nations, France, Germany, Ukraine, etc2
Yeah. Don't forget it happened, respect the victims, and it's time to move on unless you were personally affected by it.
Then again it's utterly pathetic for anyone to deny it happened.
Then again it's utterly pathetic for anyone to deny it happened.
QUOTE(xeemlauj @ Apr 29 2008, 01:59 AM) [snapback]3668129[/snapback]
You don't hear the Korean complain about Japanese.
Really
, it looks like you don't hang around in Korea chat much and don't read Korean news.
WAR DAMAGE IN THE NANKING AREA
December, 1937 to March, 1938
Dr.Lewis S. C. Smythe(Professor of Sociology, University of Nanking)AND ASSISTANTS
THE MERCURY PRESS, SHANGHAI, CHINA
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/LSCSmythe.pdf
THE FAKE OF NANKING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vG0zduXcaw
Every photo of NANKING MASSACRE seems to be fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aefFXZhOWBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vQ9W9Mg0as
December, 1937 to March, 1938
Dr.Lewis S. C. Smythe(Professor of Sociology, University of Nanking)AND ASSISTANTS
THE MERCURY PRESS, SHANGHAI, CHINA
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/LSCSmythe.pdf
THE FAKE OF NANKING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vG0zduXcaw
Every photo of NANKING MASSACRE seems to be fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aefFXZhOWBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vQ9W9Mg0as
QUOTE(scorp @ Apr 29 2008, 04:58 PM) [snapback]3668301[/snapback]
Yeah thats what wiki says but do you know the real feelings of Indonesian ?
I have no knowledge of you being an Indonesian or ever went there.
QUOTE(wonda51 @ Apr 30 2008, 05:20 AM) [snapback]3670471[/snapback]
WAR DAMAGE IN THE NANKING AREA
December, 1937 to March, 1938
Dr.Lewis S. C. Smythe(Professor of Sociology, University of Nanking)AND ASSISTANTS
December, 1937 to March, 1938
Dr.Lewis S. C. Smythe(Professor of Sociology, University of Nanking)AND ASSISTANTS
Lewis Smythe doesn't deny the Nanking massacre but he claims the total number of victims was exaggerated by the Chinese. The total massacred according to him and some other Westerners who were stationed their at the time was between 40,000-50,000 as opposed to 300,000. Also among the 40,000 massacred were mostly women and children (disgusting). However, he does not deny the Nanking massacre.
This is akin to Holocaust denial.
QUOTE(wonda51 @ Apr 30 2008, 05:20 AM) [snapback]3670471[/snapback]
WAR DAMAGE IN THE NANKING AREA
December, 1937 to March, 1938
Dr.Lewis S. C. Smythe(Professor of Sociology, University of Nanking)AND ASSISTANTS
THE MERCURY PRESS, SHANGHAI, CHINA
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/LSCSmythe.pdf
THE FAKE OF NANKING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vG0zduXcaw
Every photo of NANKING MASSACRE seems to be fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aefFXZhOWBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vQ9W9Mg0as
December, 1937 to March, 1938
Dr.Lewis S. C. Smythe(Professor of Sociology, University of Nanking)AND ASSISTANTS
THE MERCURY PRESS, SHANGHAI, CHINA
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/LSCSmythe.pdf
THE FAKE OF NANKING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vG0zduXcaw
Every photo of NANKING MASSACRE seems to be fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aefFXZhOWBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vQ9W9Mg0as
QUOTE(furball @ Apr 30 2008, 07:34 AM) [snapback]3670604[/snapback]
This is akin to Holocaust denial.
at that time of naking.
Precious film of soon after the Fall of Nanking(1-6)sub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkkcQR50ej4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LMguN5nOEo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpIQ7wQbKaE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy9cC8ozj1g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLME_hW0CCg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID8wxiluml8
most school in nanking were started again in April ,1938
however, dont forget this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongzhou_Incident
http://homepage3.nifty.com/kadzuwo/history/tongzhou.htm
however, dont forget this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongzhou_Incident
http://homepage3.nifty.com/kadzuwo/history/tongzhou.htm
QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ Apr 30 2008, 06:50 AM) [snapback]3670565[/snapback]
Yeah thats what wiki says but do you know the real feelings of Indonesian ?
I have no knowledge of you being an Indonesian or ever went there.
I have no knowledge of you being an Indonesian or ever went there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_eZxs4Ln8w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9tYurVJKG4
^Those are former soldiers that were trained by the Japanese.
QUOTE(xeemlauj @ Apr 29 2008, 03:59 PM) [snapback]3668129[/snapback]
Chinese people really need to get over this Nanking rape.
The Chinese have done many things to its minorities for thousand of years and you don't
hear them complain about it and when they do, it's consider BOGUS...
You don't hear the Korean complain about Japanese.
Leave Japan alone. Emperor Hirohito era is gone.
The Chinese have done many things to its minorities for thousand of years and you don't
hear them complain about it and when they do, it's consider BOGUS...
You don't hear the Korean complain about Japanese.
Leave Japan alone. Emperor Hirohito era is gone.
i been to korea and a lot of the elders still hold grudges on the japanese.
Well just a general opinion i guess but...I personally thinkt that the Japanese governent should have felt obliged to formally apologize in written form, as the Chinese wanted it, considering it was a absolutely horrendous evet. However, this event happened quite a while ago, and although it is terrible, its time to slowly move and not to stress over the issue. I understand there will be grudges, as if i was personally affected by it, i dont think i would see the Japanese too highly, but the past is past. Its time to move on. As for the event not to be prominent in Japanese education, it is like that in every country. The parts of a countries history that are not too...nice...are often left out or quickly skimmed over. History is always biased, told in the perspective of whoever is writing it...the bookmakers in Japan obviously do not want to relive this piece of terrible history as more other countries do the same.
In Germany, Holocaust denial is a capital offense. Try to re-write the history of Holocaust, and see how many years in jail that will land you in Germany.
Right wing elements within the Japanese government actively encourage the re-writing of Japan's WW II atrocities.
Right wing elements within the Japanese government actively encourage the re-writing of Japan's WW II atrocities.
QUOTE(ureshiikolichan @ May 13 2008, 07:40 PM) [snapback]3695086[/snapback]
the bookmakers in Japan obviously do not want to relive this piece of terrible history as more other countries do the same.
QUOTE(furball @ May 14 2008, 06:55 PM) [snapback]3696831[/snapback]
In Germany, Holocaust denial is a capital offense. Try to re-write the history of Holocaust, and see how many years in jail that will land you in Germany.
Right wing elements within the Japanese government actively encourage the re-writing of Japan's WW II atrocities.
Right wing elements within the Japanese government actively encourage the re-writing of Japan's WW II atrocities.
Because many people would argue that the "Purpose" of Germany in WWII was to exterminate the Jews by taking over Europe. Supposedly, this was all set-up to eliminate the Jews which is why it's a Holocaust.
The purpose of Japan in WWII was Asian domination, imperialistic intentions. It just so happens a horrendous act occurred during the War. It was not the intention of the Japanese government to start eliminating all Asian races.
I believe Holocaust denial is a capital offense in most of Europe. However, Europe and Asia are vastly different places so making it a law about denying the War crimes of Japan isn't going to happen.
The Nazis killed over 6 million Jews. The German people fully accepted responsibility for this horrendous crime their military committed against the Jewish people. This is etched into their psyche. German school children are taught from day one the crimes their forefathers committed, in the hope that history will never be repeated again.
The Japanese killed over 300,000 Chinese in the city of Nanking alone during the Nanking Massacre, slaughtered over 20 million Chinese over the entire war. Right wing elements within the Japanese government actively try to white wash and to re-write Japan's war time atrocities. The Japanese school children never learn the truth of the horrific crimes their forefathers committed. They grow up believing that Japan is the sole victim of this war in the Pacific during WW II when America dropped those two bombs on Japan. Lessons of history not learned are bound to be repeated.
The Japanese killed over 300,000 Chinese in the city of Nanking alone during the Nanking Massacre, slaughtered over 20 million Chinese over the entire war. Right wing elements within the Japanese government actively try to white wash and to re-write Japan's war time atrocities. The Japanese school children never learn the truth of the horrific crimes their forefathers committed. They grow up believing that Japan is the sole victim of this war in the Pacific during WW II when America dropped those two bombs on Japan. Lessons of history not learned are bound to be repeated.
QUOTE(furball @ May 14 2008, 08:06 PM) [snapback]3696940[/snapback]
The Nazis killed over 6 million Jews. The German people fully accepted responsibility for this horrendous crime their military committed against the Jewish people. This is etched into their psyche. German school children are taught from day one the crimes their forefathers committed, in the hope that history will never be repeated again.
The Japanese killed over 300,000 Chinese in the city of Nanking alone during the Nanking Massacre, slaughtered over 20 million Chinese over the entire war. Right wing elements within the Japanese government actively try to white wash and to re-write Japan's war time atrocities. The Japanese school children never learn the truth of the horrific crimes their forefathers committed. They grow up believing that Japan is the sole victim of this war in the Pacific during WW II when America dropped those two bombs on Japan. Lessons of history not learned are bound to be repeated.
The Japanese killed over 300,000 Chinese in the city of Nanking alone during the Nanking Massacre, slaughtered over 20 million Chinese over the entire war. Right wing elements within the Japanese government actively try to white wash and to re-write Japan's war time atrocities. The Japanese school children never learn the truth of the horrific crimes their forefathers committed. They grow up believing that Japan is the sole victim of this war in the Pacific during WW II when America dropped those two bombs on Japan. Lessons of history not learned are bound to be repeated.
Like I said the predicaments are very different. The German people completely separated themselves from the "Nazi's" and "Hitler", they aren't considered "forefathers" of German people. History stresses that Hitler and the Nazi party aimed for the eradication of Jews and Germany was the Country they made their base at.
In Japan it's different. They did not aim to eradicate anyone but that's what ended up happening. The purpose of the War was for Japan's gain, therefore it was for the Japanese people. The problems that happened during the War is different from why the War was fought in the first place. Therefore in the eyes of Japanese right-wingers, the War is justified.
Anyway, this is just some politically correct crap. We'd all love a perfect world where everyone is holding hands and there are no hungry and poor but I can pretty much say what's wrong here isn't about being historically correct but about our Country doesn't trust yours and your Country doesn't trust ours and we will be enemies again unless something gets us to break these walls down. These are Asian people afterall so the reasoning is always some discreet $hit.
Material gain justifies the slaughtering of countless millions. This is the history lesson the Japanese right wing elements are teaching to the Japanese school children.
QUOTE(ryukyu magic @ May 14 2008, 09:16 PM) [snapback]3697112[/snapback]
The purpose of the War was for Japan's gain, therefore it was for the Japanese people. Therefore in the eyes of Japanese right-wingers, the War is justified.
QUOTE(furball @ May 14 2008, 09:39 PM) [snapback]3697144[/snapback]
This is precisely the re-manufactured history the Japanese school children are learning.
Actually please explain to me WHY that is wrong? Of course a War fought by the Japanese for Japanese gain is for Japan, is it not? You might not like it, but it's the truth.
However, something like we are the victims of War because we got A-bombed is something re-manufactured.
If you accept that material gain justifies the killing of millions, then there is no difference between Man and beast.
QUOTE(ryukyu magic @ May 14 2008, 09:43 PM) [snapback]3697152[/snapback]
Actually please explain to me WHY that is wrong? Of course a War fought by the Japanese for Japanese gain is for Japan, is it not? You might not like it, but it's the truth.
QUOTE(furball @ May 14 2008, 09:48 PM) [snapback]3697156[/snapback]
If you accept that material gain justifies the killing of millions, then there is no difference between Man and beast.
Okay dude, then just throw out your history book man because that entire thing is filled with nothing but acceptance of violence for material gain.
Suddenly I feel infinite sadness for the younger generation Japanese.
Confucius once said that the difference between Man and animal is that Man can control his animal urges, while the animal cannot. This is the chief distinction between Man and animal. Over 2000 years, the Japanese never understood.
Confucius once said that the difference between Man and animal is that Man can control his animal urges, while the animal cannot. This is the chief distinction between Man and animal. Over 2000 years, the Japanese never understood.
oh I don't know
I wasn't born at that time
But I do know that Japanese people nowadays are nice and friendly
It is what I'm gonna teach my children.
@ Furball :By the way, what can the chinese government say about the massacre in 1990 , killed thousand students ...
how about Tibet?
how about Mongol?
how about Vietnam?
how about the North Korea?
If everything follows the Confucian theory, there are about only 5 billions human and more than 1 billion beasts.
I wasn't born at that time
But I do know that Japanese people nowadays are nice and friendly
It is what I'm gonna teach my children.
@ Furball :By the way, what can the chinese government say about the massacre in 1990 , killed thousand students ...
how about Tibet?
how about Mongol?
how about Vietnam?
how about the North Korea?
If everything follows the Confucian theory, there are about only 5 billions human and more than 1 billion beasts.
QUOTE(shinnasuka @ May 14 2008, 10:07 PM) [snapback]3697180[/snapback]
If everything follows the Confucian theory, there are about only 5 billions human and more than 1 billion beasts.
There are probably less considering how many of those people also need to fulfill their sexual needs. =]
QUOTE(furball @ May 14 2008, 09:53 PM) [snapback]3697162[/snapback]
Suddenly I feel infinite sadness for the younger generation Japanese.
What're you talking about? Where have I ever personally justified any of the actions taken by Japan?
check out this documentary
http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/nanking/index.html
thank God that some channels out there such as HBO, history channel, national geographic ect.. has the balls to show millions of people in the U.S about japan's inhumanity to mankind.
http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/nanking/index.html
thank God that some channels out there such as HBO, history channel, national geographic ect.. has the balls to show millions of people in the U.S about japan's inhumanity to mankind.
QUOTE(wonda51 @ Apr 30 2008, 04:20 AM) [snapback]3670471[/snapback]
WAR DAMAGE IN THE NANKING AREA
December, 1937 to March, 1938
Dr.Lewis S. C. Smythe(Professor of Sociology, University of Nanking)AND ASSISTANTS
THE MERCURY PRESS, SHANGHAI, CHINA
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/LSCSmythe.pdf
THE FAKE OF NANKING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vG0zduXcaw
Every photo of NANKING MASSACRE seems to be fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aefFXZhOWBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vQ9W9Mg0as
December, 1937 to March, 1938
Dr.Lewis S. C. Smythe(Professor of Sociology, University of Nanking)AND ASSISTANTS
THE MERCURY PRESS, SHANGHAI, CHINA
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/LSCSmythe.pdf
THE FAKE OF NANKING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vG0zduXcaw
Every photo of NANKING MASSACRE seems to be fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aefFXZhOWBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vQ9W9Mg0as
these are Japanese doccuments at that time
precious film of soon after the Fall of Nanking
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=xkkcQR50ej4
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=8LMguN5nOEo
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=bpIQ7wQbKaE
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=wy9cC8ozj1g
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=mLME_hW0CCg
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=ID8wxiluml8
QUOTE
Photos document brutality in Shanghai
September 23, 1996
Web posted at: 10:15 a.m. EDT (1415 GMT)
From Bangkok Bureau Chief Tom Mintier
BANGKOK, Thailand (CNN) -- Relations between Japan and China, strained in recent months over a disputed chain of uninhabited islands, may fray even further because of 18 small, grainy black and white photos taken 59 years ago.
(113 sec./937K QuickTime movie - Warning: contains violent images.)
The photos, taken by a Swiss photographer near Shanghai in 1937, all depict the brutality of Chinese soldiers toward Japanese prisoners and Shanghai residents accused of helping the Japanese as they began their military conquest of China.
The photos are so disturbing that Tom Simmen, who was in Shanghai on business and asked to witness the executions by the Chinese, kept them hidden away. But he told his son to make them public.................................
September 23, 1996
Web posted at: 10:15 a.m. EDT (1415 GMT)
From Bangkok Bureau Chief Tom Mintier
BANGKOK, Thailand (CNN) -- Relations between Japan and China, strained in recent months over a disputed chain of uninhabited islands, may fray even further because of 18 small, grainy black and white photos taken 59 years ago.
(113 sec./937K QuickTime movie - Warning: contains violent images.)
The photos, taken by a Swiss photographer near Shanghai in 1937, all depict the brutality of Chinese soldiers toward Japanese prisoners and Shanghai residents accused of helping the Japanese as they began their military conquest of China.
The photos are so disturbing that Tom Simmen, who was in Shanghai on business and asked to witness the executions by the Chinese, kept them hidden away. But he told his son to make them public.................................
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9609/23/rare.photos/index.html
Tungchow Mutiny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongzhou_Incident
QUOTE(furball @ May 14 2008, 09:53 PM) [snapback]3697162[/snapback]
Suddenly I feel infinite sadness for the younger generation Japanese.
Confucius once said that the difference between Man and animal is that Man can control his animal urges, while the animal cannot. This is the chief distinction between Man and animal. Over 2000 years, the Japanese never understood.
Confucius once said that the difference between Man and animal is that Man can control his animal urges, while the animal cannot. This is the chief distinction between Man and animal. Over 2000 years, the Japanese never understood.
That is such a racist post. You pretty much just called the japanese animals.... you cant be serious, imperial japanese is different than the japanese today... And do you really think other countries in the past didnt have blood in their hands???. Countries were MADE through killing innocent people... so GTFO here with that confucious bull crap.......
Its a sad and tragic event that happened 2 generations ago. We should remember but move on. But denying it ever happened like this faghat wonda is wrong.
Another idiot. bleh
QUOTE(shinnasuka @ May 14 2008, 10:07 PM) [snapback]3697180[/snapback]
oh I don't know
I wasn't born at that time
But I do know that Japanese people nowadays are nice and friendly
It is what I'm gonna teach my children.
@ Furball :By the way, what can the chinese government say about the massacre in 1990 , killed thousand students ...
how about Tibet?
how about Mongol?
how about Vietnam?
how about the North Korea?
If everything follows the Confucian theory, there are about only 5 billions human and more than 1 billion beasts.
I wasn't born at that time
But I do know that Japanese people nowadays are nice and friendly
It is what I'm gonna teach my children.
@ Furball :By the way, what can the chinese government say about the massacre in 1990 , killed thousand students ...
how about Tibet?
how about Mongol?
how about Vietnam?
how about the North Korea?
If everything follows the Confucian theory, there are about only 5 billions human and more than 1 billion beasts.
Another idiot. bleh
QUOTE(ryukyu magic @ May 14 2008, 08:46 PM) [snapback]3697153[/snapback]
However, something like we are the victims of War because we got A-bombed is something re-manufactured.
Everyone is a victim of war. The voices of victims should never be overlooked, no matter what race you are.
QUOTE(mikekk86 @ May 16 2008, 05:32 PM) [snapback]3700836[/snapback]
Everyone is a victim of war. The voices of victims should never be overlooked, no matter what race you are.
at first, the Japanese ppl at that time were more honest, sincere ,brave and hard working than today.
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