Project into the future as much as you want.

Then we'd get something like Apartheid S. Africa

It's kinda wierd how the Jewish were already campaigning for a homeland even WAY BEFORE the WWII and holocaust broke out.

If you study the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel then you will find out that there was a Jewish Kingdom in South Africa

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/lemba.htm

Israel is more significant because it was the Promise Land unlike Africa that its just a refuge place of one of the scatered Ten lost Tribes. There are many Jewish Kingdoms scattered around the world during the Ten Lost Tribes diaspora.

they were also offered other countries to settle, like australia. i just find it funny how the british offered countries for the jewish people to settle

The jew lies throughout history are so transparent to everyone not so weak-minded to become brainwashed. Just as Yaweh designed the world where there is no such thing as a "perfect crime" he designed it so the jews would never be able to tell a "perfect lie" against him. Scientists disproved the whole "exodus" story in the 1800s due to not one hebrew word has an egyptian influence and vice versa so impossible that they ever co-existed much less for 500 years. A jew lie same as the "Holocaust".

Only the Jews would use all of their vast riches and political power to establish a solely-jewish state in the one region where everyone wants to kill them. Jews are the only humans who would ever undergo this strategy because they know if they control palestine it means they control the whole world because then all their enemies are unable to ever divide their wealth in half during wars. Jews have carried out the most bold of all the genocidal campaigns that humans have ever done to eachother.

Many people believe the cunning jews coined the term "anti-semite" to trick people into believing they also had some arab heritage to justify their 4 thousand year-old obsession with establishing a central base in palestine or egypt to house their vast riches garnered from their ungodly human slave trade in the east and west so that arabs could never divide their wealth in half during war. Others believe it was coined to silence the word jew.

No, it's not weird at all, not if you study history.

How would the world be different if Israel was located in Africa?

Maybe Tangawizi would be Jewish
And all her topics would be about how great life is?
Joke. Please don't get mad.

I wonder how many Commandments Moses would have found up on Mt Kilimanjaro?

I think that there was actually a landmass up at Suez back in those days, so it wasn't really necessary to part the Red Sea, but wouldn't that have meant the Pharoah's chariots would have been more likely to catch them if the Exodus was overland?

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OKay, after reading your post with the historical quote I realize that you don't just mean if the historical Israel took place in Black Africa instead of the Middle East. But, rather what if a modern Israeli state was established in Africa.

Well, if "Israel" was established anywhere but in its original geographical location, then there wouldn't be nearly as much fighting as you have today. First off, there wouldn't be aparthied as they'd try to inhabit somewhere nobody wanted and not many Jewish people would feel so enthusiastic about it either.

The reason why they're so enthusiastic today in the real world is because Israel's geographical location in Israel. Many who believe in literal sense of the Messianic prophesy fervently try to maintain Israel's existence and encourage (not meant to denote the idea of Christian mission work) "Gentiles" to convert to Judaism and move to Israel in the hopes that the "Ten lost Tribes" would be returned in this manner. Which in itself would fulfill the Messianic prophesy for the Jews and maybe for the Islamic-Christian notion of the Second Coming, except that all the tribes would eventually convert to Christianity or Islam (depending on who's pov we're talking about).

However, an African modern Israel would mean people would have to use their imaginations and when you take it as being something metaphorical you leave so many things open for interpretation. You end up having something no one tries to fulfill because it could mean anything. Yet, an Israel state in the Israel geographic location doesn't share the same problem.

Like I have said it is not significant if their homeland is located in Africa because it is not Biblical to the Jewish people because all they wanted is the Jewish Homeland of Ancient Israel were the founder was Moses. And another thing the Jewish people of Africa the Lemba Tribe is Black so it has no connection of whatsoever in the Apartheid in South Africa.

There is a tribe in Japan that claims that they were the direct decendant of one of the 10 Lost Tribes if Israel but the Jews are not claiming Japan because it is not Bliblical to them.

http://www.biblemysteries.com/library/tribesjapan.htm

true... the colonial Brits were the cause of the Middle East strife as i see it.. i juz don't unnerstand why the arabs take it out on the americans these days instead..



quit obsessing abt me and watch out for that tranny mailman



rather than Kenya/Uganda, i think the biblical site for the Jewish homeland might be Ethiopia.. historically according to ethiopian scribes, the Queen of Sheba had been to Jerusalem, signed a marriage pact with the jewish King Solomon, had a child with him and "stole" the Ark of the Covenant and brought it back to Ethiopia. The lineage in Ethiopia's kingships have always been jewish as such.. down to their last king -- Haile Selaissie.. The ethiopian jews are named Falashas and they have been famously airlifted to Israel for re-setlement, but anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that the Ashkenaten jews thoroughly despise the black jewish race so they haven't been treated very well in the jewish homeland..

one thing that i always cannot figure out is this : there's only 15 million Jews in the world out of the billions of humanity. How come we give them so much attention and care not as much about the plight of other victims of genocide? e.g. armenians, rwandese, south sudanese, amazonian forest dwellers??

Perhaps, but talk to any Israeli nationalist and ask him how he feels about the British. He will tell you he hates them - somewhere in the late '40s, the British stopped boats full of holocaust survivors from reaching Israel (so as not to 'upset the demographic balance') and sent them back to Germany. Terrorist Jewish attacks on British targets soon ensued.

The Jews will never forgive Great Britain for putting restrictions on Jewish immigration and the Arabs will never forgive them for allowing Jewish immigration in the first place. They just couldn't win. Up until today, both sides are saying the British clearly favored the other side.

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A form of Apartheid is already being practiced in the current Israel. Who's to say the same thing wouldn't happen if Israel was in Africa?


And also the Roma, Slavs, Khmer, Bengalis, Burmese, etc.

I think the reason why the Jewish Holocaust is given so much attention is because it wiped out a larger percentage of the overall Jewish population.

Please don't get mad. Just having fun.
Everyone is too serious these days.
And, the days are getting fewer ... father in law was diagnosed with cancer
Doctors said six months. Lately, I can't get serious about anything.

Yikes... sorry to hear abt yr bad news. But u are taking a pretty taoist stance there! Chin up!

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Well they wouldn't be held down by their neighbors, that's for sure. Israel is already the most developed country in the Middle East, but how much further can they go when they're threatened by terrorist bombings and the threat of war every second. A pity, really.

It might have been in the past past

In actual fact, the most developed countries in the Middle East (in terms of per capita income) are the Arabian Gulf countries: Qatar, the UAE, Kuwait, and Bahrain... and then comes Israel.

i wanna visit dubai

yes thats true. however there is an even huger gap between rich and poor in these countries.

america has the largest wealth gap in the world

Israeli's would have very deep sun tans.

Israel has a higher percentage of its population living below the poverty line (mostly Palestinians) than any of the Arabian Gulf states. Israel also has a higher rate of unemployment than any of the Arabian Gulf states (besides Bahrain). I think these issues could be resolved if Israel stops its Apartheid/segregation between Israeli settlers and native Palestinians.

Of course, Israel is still a lot more developed than its neighbours in the Levant, but the Arabian Gulf states are in another league when it comes to standard of living... they are among the richest countries in the world, let alone the Middle East.

Israel is close enough to Africa where there are biblical reference regarding its proximity and influence regarding Ethiopia and Egypt!

i think this is due to two factors, oil and no civil unrest.

however i read that foreign workers are treated like $hit.

The civil unrest could come to an end if Israel tries to assimilate or integrate its Palestinian citizens into Israeli society instead of segregating them from it... that would only lead to Palestinians desiring independance from Israel.

Foreign workers are also treated like crap in a lot of other Western and Eastern countries. Israel and the Arabian Gulf states are no different.

I dont think israelis would want to do that since the Palestinian population is increasing rapidly and eventually the jews would be in a minority in 20 years. And the purpose of israel being a jewish state.(even if this is discriminatory) I think that is one of the main reasons there is such discrimination such as giving land to arabs, problems for commuters etc.

and about the foreign workers. in the west and in israel there are no cases of workers not being paid for months, and not living in poorly sanitized housing where disease is widespread.

also in the EU (dunno about israel) there are laws protecting foreign workers.

I don't really know much about any specific foreign worker laws, but there is a general anti-immigrant mentality that is sweeping across many Western countries.

Well in the UK, it's got worse when eastern europeans (as opposed to just asians and africans) want to come here.

Interestingly now that eastern europeans come here on mass asians and africans have started complaining about immigration for the first time. Are their complaints race based?

Kinda... white Brits are always whining about Asian and African immigrants, while black/Asian Brits are also starting to whine about European immigrants (but not nearly as much). It's unusual to see any of them whine about immigrants from their own ethnic background though.

But to be honest, I just don't get what the big deal is over immigrants coming here. As long as they contribute to the economy, that should be all that matters.

But white British people are socially engineered from kindergarten to accept every race ....

It wasn't until Asians and Black's started complaining about immigration that white people could do it too without being accused of being racists...

Do Asians and Blacks in the UK have an amount of catching up to do before they become "trained" to be as anti-racist as white people?

Should we start a policy of socially engineering black and asian children also so they do not grow into racist and anti immigrant adults?

Are you serious? White Brits complain the most about about immigration, far more than any of the minorities. But at least it makes sense, since they are native to the country.

On the other hand, why would blacks or Asians whine about immigrants when they themselves are children of immigrants? The ethnic minorities are more likely to whine about the white majority rather than immigrants.

But it's true that white people are a lot more politically correct than the minorities, but this has only backfired in recent years with many whites now rebelling against political correctness... and they are probably just as bad as the minorities now.

Maybe you are right, but I am not convinced.


Because the new immigrants coming in are settling in "their" areas and are not "their own". I myself am a 4th generation Irish immigrant and am one of those rare human beings that accepts that since I would not be here if other people had objected to my grand parents presence I should not object to the presence of new immigrants. Yet it seems to me than some asians and blacks have switched from being pro immigration to anti immigration just because a significant amount of new immigrants are not the same skin colour as them.

This to me seems racist, hypocritical and extremely lacking in character.

while sometimes ignorant people might get riled up towards immigrants. britain is one of the immigration friendliest countries in teh world. which might change now due to gordon brown. but who knows.

Complete bs, you need to show some evidence that blacks and Asians are more anti-immigrant than whites are. Nearly all xenophobia and racism in Britain comes from whites who for some reason can't get along with other races, UKIP/BNP hardly get any support from minorities.



Ain't it so. There's something deeply repugnant about whites moaning about racism from the minorities that are the main victims of it.

I find your argument unconvincing... I've rarely ever come across any blacks or Asians in the UK who whine about Eastern European immigrants (besides a few on this one TV programme I saw). On the other hand, there are plenty of white Brits who whine about Asian/African immigrants (mainly Pakis and Somalians) all the time on the internet and on television.

And like Shahzad has already pointed out, there are hardly any minorities who support the anti-immigrant UKIP or BNP parties... nearly all of their supporters are native white Brits.

Well for one there wouldn't be an Israel Palestine conflict. Maybe there would be a Israel-African conflict, but then again Africans are generally more peaceful than Arab Muslims.

To me it's a moot point. Israel exists and it exists in the historical Jewish homeland. The Arabs better learn to deal with it instead of launching anti-semitic media campaigns and killing innocent Jews. The Palestinians might one day have a homeland, but ideally it would be carved out of another culturally Arab nation instead of making the Jews give up more land.

What about all the violence and conflicts in places like Congo, Sudan, South Africa, etc.? Africa is even more worse off than the Middle East, but those African regional conflicts are being ignored by the Western media simply because they are not a threat to the West.

You mean anti-Jewish? The Arabs are themselves a "Semitic" people, more so than the Ashkenazi Jews. And what about the Israeli regime's anti-Arab Apartheid and its killing of far more innocent Palestinian civilians? Like I said before, the Israel-Palestine conflict could be resolved if the Israeli settlers would give the native Palestinians equal rights and integrate (or even assimilate) them into Israeli society, but it's the fear that Jews would become a minority in their own nation (justifiably so) that makes this unlikely to happen.

Israel
Has created 4 million+ Refugees
Holds the World's record for UN Violations at 69+
Has Killed more innocent civilians per capita than any other country 50,000+
Has Imprisoned more civilians per capita 250,000+
Has rendered more civilians handicapped per capita 50,000+
Has Demolished more homes than any other country 60,000+
Has Outlawed marriage to Non-Jews
Legalized Torture & Assassinations,
Has ethnically cleansed 500+ villages &
Destroyed 350 Churches/Mosques


"Indeed, the field of Holocaust studies is replete with Nonsense, if not sheer Fraud." ...
-Professor Norman Finklestein, Son of Holocaust Survivors

"In recent years, the Holocaust industry has become an Outright Extortion Racket." ...
In what has become a mantra of the Holocaust restitution racket, this constituted "the Greatest Robbery in the History of mankind."
-Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg

Judaism is rotten-to-the-core for sure; a religion of pure hatred that has caused so much carnage throughout history and they even had to palagiarize 85 % of it from egyptians and babylonians. People don't realize that Yom Kippur is not when jews ask forgiveness for their last 12 months of sin but rather the time when jews ask their jehovah to bless all the treachery that the rabbis already have planned out for the next 12 months. Rabbis aim to create an unnatural world made up of their own lies.

Many people believe the cunning jews coined the term "anti-semite" to trick people into believing they also had some arab heritage to justify their 4 thousand year-old obsession with establishing a central base in palestine or egypt to house their vast riches garnered from their ungodly human slave trade in the east and west so that arabs could never divide their wealth in half during war. Others believe it was coined to silence the word jew.

Only the Jews would use all of their vast riches and political power to establish a solely-jewish state in the one region where everyone wants to kill them. Jews are the only humans who would ever undergo this strategy because they know if they control palestine it means they control the whole world because then all their enemies are unable to ever divide their wealth in half during wars. Jews have carried out the most bold of all the genocidal campaigns that humans have ever done to eachother.