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tangawizi
What is that essence of Chinese culture that can be globalised? Is there any aspect of chinese culture that can replace western pop culture or even compete with k-pop or j-pop culture??

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Making sense of modern China

By Angus Foster
BBC News


In just 66 days time, after a three-and-a-half hour opening ceremony designed to "spread the essence of Chinese culture to the world", the Beijing Olympics will muscle in on TV schedules and news reports across every continent. China's Communist Party rulers have been dreaming of this moment for at least 15 years.

Winning and then staging what are sure to be spectacular and successful games will help justify the party's continued rigid authority, and let it bask in most Chinese people's excitement to be hosts.

But the games will also be seen as one of history's most expensive, and well-orchestrated, coming-out parties.

After three decades of breakneck economic growth, the gleaming new airport, sports stadiums, ring roads and underground stations are set to send a powerful message around the world - that China has arrived.

Neighbours' unease

So how should the rest of us respond?




It's a pretty rootless society, highlighted by the fact there's 100m people on the move, looking for jobs
Prof Jonathan Spence Clearly it is a moment for celebration, that a country which for large parts of the 20th Century suffered civil war, famines, political mayhem and introversion, is now wealthy, stable and worldly enough to begin the new century with such confidence.

Yet many will also be watching with unease.

For neighbours like Japan or India, China's revival as an economic and political power is also a challenge, especially over energy resources. For the US, China's increased military spending makes it an emerging Pacific Ocean rival.

China's environmental problems are serious enough for the whole world to choke on. And it continues to be ruled by an unelected elite ready to lock up critics and pander to nationalism to serve its cause.

'Entry into the big time'

Professor Jonathan Spence, who delivers this year's BBC Radio 4 Reith Lectures, is well placed to make sense of the competing visions.



Born and educated in England, he moved to Yale University in the US in 1965 and is now one of the West's most eminent historians of China.

His best-selling books - like The Search for Modern China and To Change China - have explored first European then American attempts to understand the continent-sized country, and also our fascination with it.

"China sees [the Olympics] as its entry into the big time, even more so than their huge trade success," he says.

"There's a feeling [in China] that Chinese were not admired in the West, that China was on the less desirable end of the scale, in sports, and terms of strength. Now, China is going to take 25 gold medals, some in person-to-person competition. For people in China, the thought of winning all that is intoxicating," he says.

Sense of the past

In delivering the Reith lectures, which this year celebrate their 60th year - a particularly propitious anniversary in China - Prof Spence has tried to appeal to a general audience, rather than specialists in China's long history.



"If you're not interested in it, it sounds very technical, the dynastic cycle is very hard to sort out," he says, with a donnish tolerance.

So there are to be four lectures. The first is on Confucius, the 5th Century BC thinker whose teachings came to dominate Chinese ideas of social justice and family relations.

Confucius was outlawed as feudalistic by the Communist Party after 1949. But in the last two decades there has been an upsurge in popular interest - epitomised by the academic-turned-celebrity Yu Dan, whose book on the Analects has sold more than 10 million copies.

The reasons are complex. New generations are trying to make sense of their past, some fear a moral vacuum now that communism has been upstaged by market economics. And economic growth has led to tremendous social upheaval, forcing millions of people to leave their rural homes to find work.

"It's a pretty rootless society, highlighted by the fact there's 100m people on the move, looking for jobs. And there's no simple formula for moral behaviour that schools can instil.

"So in that sense, Confucius is vacuum filler, and you can pump up different aspects to fill your needs," Prof Spence says.

The last lecture is about changing Chinese ideals of the body, from the bound feet and queue of the Qing dynasty, to the 7ft6in (229cm) international basketball and advertising star Yao Ming.

The other two will explore British and American interactions with China - though Mr Spence hints that while British traders were there first, it is now only the US which realises China's future potential.

"In the UK, one gets the sense that people think it's just another country," he says.

Power hold

But what will that future look like?

The West's consensus view is that so long as the economy keeps hauling millions of people out of poverty, the Communist Party can survive in power.

Its challenges are enormous. Twenty million people enter the job market each year and need to be found work.




We could wish they [the Chinese] changed much faster, but we should be glad they are changing at the speed they are
Prof Jonathan Spence A recent increase in local-level protests suggests millions more feel left behind by growth so far, and resentful. There is simmering popular anger about official corruption and environmental damage.

Yet the biggest challenge will be political.

Can China's authoritarian leaders, who have risen to the pinnacle of a one-party state, be prevailed upon to accept competing visions of how the country should be governed, and even share power?

And can they do so before the tensions being stoked by such unprecedented social and economic upheaval become overwhelming?

Prof Spence does not ignore the risks, but sees more grounds for optimism.

He points to the ballooning number of university graduates, the emergence of grassroots civil groups, and the vast improvement in the education levels of top leaders as evidence that change will have to come.

"The whole idea of representation is being explored. Remember China had a hard time with representative government, which fell apart under the warlord era [in 1915].

"China is backtracking into the past, looking for ways of making changes. We could wish they changed much faster, but we should be glad they are changing at the speed they are," he says.

The Reith lectures can be heard on BBC Radio 4 from Tuesday 3 June 2008 at 0900 and on the BBC World Service from Saturday 7 June at 1800.
tinko
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jun 2 2008, 03:21 PM) [snapback]3731556[/snapback]
<br />What is that essence of Chinese culture that can be globalised? Is there any aspect of chinese culture that can replace western pop culture or even compete with k-pop or j-pop culture??<br /><br /><br />
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you go first.
punjabtrini
Tai Chi, TCM, qigong, feng shui, Made in China Brand!
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kunomchu
modernity is not defined by westernization.
avisitor
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jun 2 2008, 10:21 AM) [snapback]3731556[/snapback]
What is that essence of Chinese culture that can be globalised? Is there any aspect of chinese culture that can replace western pop culture or even compete with k-pop or j-pop culture??



Your long quote was only a bunch of opinions about China and its expected
"Entry into the Big Time". None of it is necessarily true. But, a nice essay to
rile the imagination of the readers.

As to Spreading the Essence of China to the World, it follows the form of western
influences. China will show what its people have made popular and
then it is up to the rest of the world to choose what it will take or leave.
Just like (Hong Kong's) Kung-Fu movies became wildly popular in the late 1970's in America.

Replace western pop culture? No, that is the wrong way to think about it.
The Chinese will influence the world. Just as Americans have done so in the past.
That is the methodology.

What will the west take on? Kung-fu? Meditation? Zen? Feng Shui?
Haven't these things already influenced many westerners to a different way of living?
What more will it take on? I don't know. It isn't up to me. I'm no fortune teller.
SeanMoran
It rminds me of the title of the AF forum index page a little bit, although the word "connecting" sounds a little more friendly, for the word "spreading" is sometimes more applicable to communicable diseases than cultural idiosyncracies.
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yhellothar
I think being the only world culture that is capable of rejecting Westernization would be appealing.

China should focus less on spreading Chinese culture outwards but on spreading it within China by stamping out Christianity and as much Westernization as possible (keep the tech, of course).

In fact I think it is classic Chinese literature and our age old customs that are the most appealing neighbors, especially Japan.
michinobu_zoned
QUOTE(kunomchu @ Jun 2 2008, 06:47 PM) [snapback]3731950[/snapback]
modernity is not defined by westernization.

No, I think modernism implies something more cosmopolitan, where nationality doesn't matter. Which seems to be the trend that many nations are moving towards, with only some backlash against it in recent years.

But, I think trying to force a particular nation's culture onto everyone else, is counter modernistic which is what the notion of "spreading the essence of Chinese culture" does. You're fighting against the ideals of modernism by choosing favorites like that. The reason why we have Western influences today is because they work.

The PRC is one very huge example. Not only is "communism" along with the idea of a government who works for the people as opposed to the other way around of Western origin, but nationalism is also a Western idea. The fact that you care so much about Chinese culture, and the legitimacy of the PRC's very existence are brought on by European influences. Before the Dark Ages, when Joan of Arc rose up and declared French lands only belonging to the French, did no one (besides the Jews/Israelites) actually tie "culture" so strongly with land before.

But, being a poli. sci. student, you should already know this by now. You're just trying to be some little Chinese nationalist by ignoring facts you already learned in school. You can't completely reject "Western" culture in modern life because not only is "Western Culture" hard to define but too many popular things come from the Western Hemisphere right now.

If you tried to have Chinese clothing designers design "Chinese-only" clothing, and leave it at that, you're going still have blue jeans and t-shirts as the outcome. Even if you specify it to the point of clothing like blue jeans or t-shirts are done away with, you're only going to get "Chinese" dresses that have a "modern" (aka "Western) "look" to them. Something you don't already find today with Western clothing designers.

While, it may not be comparable to the days of European Imperialism, you do have Chinese cultural influences affecting the West right now. This is result of the cosmopolitan nature of modernism. You can't have a reversed, Chinese style of European Imperialism these days anymore because the average person is too educated for complete, one-sided cultural assimilation to work. Imperialism is dead, so as a result both sides are eventually becoming equally influenced.

The non-Western world picks up on many "Western" ideas and many of their people contribute to those ideas. This occurs in natural science, social science, technology, and culture and art. As a result, both sides of the world benefit as people on both sides contribute to the fields that originated from the Western Hemisphere. Additionally, the West, thirsty for something different, look to non-Western ideas such as the ones from the Far East for inspiration.

As time progresses, as modern technology and an international attitude allows people on multiple sides of the world to communicate with each other, it will eventually become impossible to define culture by geographical location anymore. No one will be able to differentiate "Western" or non-Western music, clothing, government, martial arts, or anything anymore because the different cultures of the world would have formed a new fusion culture.
kunomchu
QUOTE(michinobu_zoned @ Jun 2 2008, 11:40 PM) [snapback]3732588[/snapback]
No, I think modernism implies something more cosmopolitan, where nationality doesn't matter. Which seems to be the trend that many nations are moving towards, with only some backlash against it in recent years.

But, I think trying to force a particular nation's culture onto everyone else, is counter modernistic which is what the notion of "spreading the essence of Chinese culture" does. You're fighting against the ideals of modernism by choosing favorites like that. The reason why we have Western influences today is because they work.

The PRC is one very huge example. Not only is "communism" along with the idea of a government who works for the people as opposed to the other way around of Western origin, but nationalism is also a Western idea. The fact that you care so much about Chinese culture, and the legitimacy of the PRC's very existence are brought on by European influences. Before the Dark Ages, when Joan of Arc rose up and declared French lands only belonging to the French, did no one (besides the Jews/Israelites) actually tie "culture" so strongly with land before.

But, being a poli. sci. student, you should already know this by now. You're just trying to be some little Chinese nationalist by ignoring facts you already learned in school. You can't completely reject "Western" culture in modern life because not only is "Western Culture" hard to define but too many popular things come from the Western Hemisphere right now.

If you tried to have Chinese clothing designers design "Chinese-only" clothing, and leave it at that, you're going still have blue jeans and t-shirts as the outcome. Even if you specify it to the point of clothing like blue jeans or t-shirts are done away with, you're only going to get "Chinese" dresses that have a "modern" (aka "Western) "look" to them. Something you don't already find today with Western clothing designers.

While, it may not be comparable to the days of European Imperialism, you do have Chinese cultural influences affecting the West right now. This is result of the cosmopolitan nature of modernism. You can't have a reversed, Chinese style of European Imperialism these days anymore because the average person is too educated for complete, one-sided cultural assimilation to work. Imperialism is dead, so as a result both sides are eventually becoming equally influenced.

The non-Western world picks up on many "Western" ideas and many of their people contribute to those ideas. This occurs in natural science, social science, technology, and culture and art. As a result, both sides of the world benefit as people on both sides contribute to the fields that originated from the Western Hemisphere. Additionally, the West, thirsty for something different, look to non-Western ideas such as the ones from the Far East for inspiration.

As time progresses, as modern technology and an international attitude allows people on multiple sides of the world to communicate with each other, it will eventually become impossible to define culture by geographical location anymore. No one will be able to differentiate "Western" or non-Western music, clothing, government, martial arts, or anything anymore because the different cultures of the world would have formed a new fusion culture.


You are too optimistic. And your definition of westernization is too broad. Developing countries are already finding their own paths to modernity. The democratic example is no longer the bar being set. China is proof.

SeanMoran
QUOTE(michinobu_zoned @ Jun 3 2008, 04:40 AM) [snapback]3732588[/snapback]
No, I think modernism implies something more cosmopolitan, where nationality doesn't matter. Which seems to be the trend that many nations are moving towards, with only some backlash against it in recent years.

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As time progresses, as modern technology and an international attitude allows people on multiple sides of the world to communicate with each other, it will eventually become impossible to define culture by geographical location anymore. No one will be able to differentiate "Western" or non-Western music, clothing, government, martial arts, or anything anymore because the different cultures of the world would have formed a new fusion culture.

That all sounds about right, M. Zoned. beerchug.gif
yhellothar
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. No one will be able to differentiate "Western" or non-Western music, clothing, government, martial arts, or anything anymore because the different cultures of the world would have formed a new fusion culture.


I'd rather have our own culture and everyone else can have theirs too.
Jagger
QUOTE(yhellothar @ Jun 3 2008, 04:20 AM) [snapback]3732515[/snapback]
I think being the only world culture that is capable of rejecting Westernization would be appealing.

China should focus less on spreading Chinese culture outwards but on spreading it within China by stamping out Christianity and as much Westernization as possible (keep the tech, of course).

In fact I think it is classic Chinese literature and our age old customs that are the most appealing neighbors, especially Japan.

What about those countries in Africa and the Middle East which are violently rejecting "Westernization" or "Western culture"? It's not like China is the only one.

QUOTE(michinobu_zoned @ Jun 3 2008, 04:40 AM) [snapback]3732588[/snapback]
The non-Western world picks up on many "Western" ideas and many of their people contribute to those ideas. This occurs in natural science, social science, technology, and culture and art. As a result, both sides of the world benefit as people on both sides contribute to the fields that originated from the Western Hemisphere. Additionally, the West, thirsty for something different, look to non-Western ideas such as the ones from the Far East for inspiration.

As time progresses, as modern technology and an international attitude allows people on multiple sides of the world to communicate with each other, it will eventually become impossible to define culture by geographical location anymore. No one will be able to differentiate "Western" or non-Western music, clothing, government, martial arts, or anything anymore because the different cultures of the world would have formed a new fusion culture.

In what way are fields like natural science, social science, technology, culture, or art, "Western" in origin? These fields were greatly advanced by "Western cultures", but that does not make them Western in origin. Europe had borrowed plenty from the "East" before the days of European colonialism.
yhellothar
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What about those countries in Africa and the Middle East which are violently rejecting "Westernization" or "Western culture"?


When they do, they get invaded. icon_neutral.gif

Attacking China would be suicide.
tangawizi
It seems that the official Chinese interpretation on the essence of Chinese culture to share ith the world is summed as "Harmony".. check out the Olympic Beijing blurp below.. ii am sure it will fall on deaf ears cuz the reality is that western powers view this call for One World with skepticism especially when they see the major competition china and india now pose for the raw material n resources in the world.





"One World One Dream" fully reflects the essence and the universal values of the Olympic spirit -- Unity, Friendship, Progress, Harmony, Participation and Dream. It expresses the common wishes of people all over the world, inspired by the Olympic ideals, to strive for a bright future of Mankind. In spite of the differences in colors, languages and races, we share the charm and joy of the Olympic Games, and together we seek for the ideal of Mankind for peace. We belong to the same world and we share the same aspirations and dreams.

"One World One Dream" is a profound manifestation of the core concepts of the Beijing Olympic Games. It reflects the values of harmony connoted in the concept of "People's Olympics", the core and soul of the three concepts -- "Green Olympics, High-tech Olympics and People's Olympics". While "Harmony of Man with Nature" and "Peace Enjoys Priority" are the philosophies and ideals of the Chinese people since ancient times in their pursuit of the harmony between Man and Nature and the harmony among people, building up a harmonious society and achieving harmonious development are the dream and aspirations of ours. It is our belief that peace and progress, harmonious development, living in amity, cooperation and mutual benefit, and enjoying a happy life are the common ideals of the people throughout the world.

"One World, One Dream" is simple in expressions, but profound in meaning. It is of China, and also of the world. It conveys the lofty ideal of the people in Beijing as well as in China to share the global community and civilization and to create a bright future hand in hand with the people from the rest of the world. It expresses the firm belief of a great nation, with a long history of 5,000 years and on its way towards modernization, that is committed to peaceful development, harmonious society and people's happiness. It voices the aspirations of 1.3 billion Chinese people to contribute to the establishment of a peaceful and bright world.

The English translation of the slogan is distinctive in sentence structure. The two "One"s are perfectly used in parallel, and the words "World" and "Dream" form a good match. The slogan is simple, meaningful, inspiring, and easy to remember, read and spread.

In Chinese, the word "tongyi", which means "the same", is used for the English word "One". It highlights the theme of "the whole Mankind lives in the same world and seeks for the same dream and ideal".

tangawizi
Here's another piece etailing the chinese elite's vision for spreading Harmony the chinese socialism or Yin way.... biggrin.gif


Chinese harmony renaissance: Can world ignore it?

by Francis C.W. Fung, Ph.D. BEIJING, Nov. 2 (Xinhuanet)-- Following is an abridged version of two papers by Francis C.W. Fung, Ph.D. The papers are titled "Chinese Harmony and American Democracy in 21st Century" and "Chinese Harmony Culture Old and New, Promise for a Less Confrontational World?"

(I) CHINA'S HARMONY RENAISSANCE: CAN AMERICA IGNORE IT?

On Oct. 8, 2006, at its Central Committee meeting, the Communist Party of China launched the national campaign to build a harmonious society. The resulting Harmony Communiqué is a system engineering blue print to guide China on its path of rejuvenation. It will be an arduous and long undertaking to build a harmonious socialist society in modern China, no less challenging to the CPC as the revolutionary "Long March" of Chinese history. Oct. 8, 2006 will be remembered as the most important milestone of China's Harmony Renaissance. By rediscovering harmony culture, China is rediscovering its own rich ancient cultural harmony traditions. It is of similar in importance to Europe's Renaissance after the rediscovery of ancient Greek culture. China's harmony development will herald a brand new period of vitality and national spirit as the country enters a new period of sustainable development. By developing its own harmony society, China becomes the standard bearer of a harmony world.

Harmony, as taught by Chinese ancients, embraces ideas of democracy as a way of conflict resolution between the ruler and the ruled. China has practiced harmony as a way of life since Laotze and Confucius for at least 2500 years. In contrast, American Democracy is only 230 years old, developing after Independence, and borrowing from the traditions of European Enlightenment. As China's Harmony Socialism wins gradual international recognition, it will provide an alternative model to American-style Democracy as the leading 21st century governance system. To keep its position as the most influential political and cultural leading country of the world America cannot afford to overlook the 21st century Chinese Harmony Society and Harmony World development herald by China's Harmony Renaissance. The consequence could be the isolation and unwitting fall of the greatest military and economic empire of our time through its inability to keep up with the pace of world harmony consensus. The mightiest American military power cannot dictate world order any longer, as is exemplified by the Iraqi War, and the Iran and North Korea nuclear confrontations. The overwhelming desires of developing countries for common development are closing the curtains on the world of international power politics. The world will be caught up in the surging tide of common development and harmony conversion. The Harmony World of unity in diversity of world cultures and governance systems will surely come.

Harmony will give China a place on the world stage to express its ancient heritage and the moral high ground to challenge the U.S. leadership in international relations. For over fifty years America interfered in China's domestic affairs in the name of democracy. Now harmony contains democracy ideals also as conflict resolution government and its citizens. The table will be turned between the West and China during the 21st century. Since the Opium War, over 150 years ago, China finally is able to raise its head and stand up against the West. By doing so, China will have the unity and vitality to continue its sustainable reform and opening up to a new era.

(II) CHINA'S HARMONY RENAISSANCE, HOW IT ALL BEGAN?

The Central Committee meeting was a major meeting to discuss major policy decisions to launch a national campaign to build a harmonious society. [1] In terms of its impact on the future Chinese society and the future world, policies announced during this meeting will have a longer lasting effect than China's recent policies of reform and opening up. These policies, initiated under the guidance of Deng Xiaoping, led to profound benefits for China and the world, but the nation is ready for the next step in its process of transformation. By comparison, the Oct. 8 meeting provided the needed national spirit of harmony which continues on the success of the Scientific Concept of Development. This new spirit is built on the essence of ancient Chinese teachings of harmony which remains unparalleled for its richness in the world.

Due to the rapid expansion of economic and industrial activities, China, over the past twenty some years, has developed from an egalitarian society to a society of unbalanced wealth distribution, and from a self-sufficient society to one, like other developed nations, that depends heavily on outside energy and other material resources. The Scientific Development Concept was thus conceived by the Chinese leaders to provide a blueprint for a long term sustainable development. In time, this blueprint is expanded to include also all old and new conflicts in China's grand modernization. Harmony being China's dominant philosophy for 2500 years it is no surprise, despite the onslaught of Western culture for the last two hundred years, China rediscovered its ancient heritage. This is not unlike the return of harmony philosophy to the golden Han dynasty after the Spring and Autumn Warring States period.

In the fertile soil of Chinese harmony garden after Chinese leaders called for Harmony Society development, ideas of harmony spread like wild fire. Creative ideas of Harmony Society from government officials, intellectuals, think tanks, academicians and the general public is currently sweeping through the country. We may once again witness a major New Harmony movement excelling the ancient teachings of ancient harmony that has guided China for the last 2500 years. A true period of let hundred flowers bloom and hundred schools content may be in the making surpassing the Spring and Autumn period debates in scope and magnitude. This time the Chinese culture may take a leap into the future World of Harmony.

(III) THE COMING OF THE HARMONY WORLD

In today's world of extreme disparity among nations, need for international economic and political change is driven by: the widening gap in stages of development, the increase of injustice in world order, and the growth of clashes between civilizations. As seen in the recent unilateral Iraq War, the crisis in Sudan, and the nuclear confrontation with North Korea and Iran, the world is hastening towards confrontation.

Written in Chinese characters, the term, "crisis" is composed of the opposing elements, "danger" and "opportunity." In Chinese harmony belief, the opposition of Ying and the Yang, or the strong and the gentle, are in constant contest. When Ying and Yang are in balance, harmony is reached, as is illustrated by the Daoist double fish circle of life.When viewed as a globe the Ying envelops the Yang as the outside shell. Laotze's philosophy of renunciation of force is also reflected in forming Chinese words. The word "martial" in Chinese means "stop the use of weapons." The word "war" in Chinese means "imbalance of weaponry."

When country specific harmony societies grow in their own fertile soil with distinctive cultural characteristics, World Harmony will surely spread. Each society will have its own appropriate harmony theory and practices reflecting the wide differences in states of development, needs and culture. For harmony to take root, basic needs must be met, and the society must be equitable, social order must work smoothly, cultural values must have sustaining power, and the mobility of different stratum in society should be assured. Indices such as Happiness, Harmony, Environment, Rural and Urban must be customized according to each country's will and development.

Great debates are happening today in China over whether Socialism with Chinese characteristics become Socialism with Chinese harmony. In the last couple of years China has extended the philosophy of Harmony to the practice of international relations, from Harmony Society to Harmony Region and Harmony World. In doing so, China, as one of the world's ancient civilized nations, is expressing to the world its choice and determination to travel the road of peace and development. Harmony as the core of Chinese traditional cultural belief, reflects the concepts of appropriate and properly balanced relationships between man and man, man and nature, man and society and harmony among nations. In fact Harmony Society and Harmony World are manifestations of ancient Chinese cultural values.

Western cultures, in contrast to the East, tend to emphasize conflict rather than harmony, personal, national, and world affairs in terms of good and evil, right and wrong. God must triumph over the Devil, good over the bad, and the individual struggles to conquer sin and redeem his soul. Armies fight with the conviction that God is on their side, and leaders, like George Bush, call upon believers to support them in righteous wars. The powerful U.S. media, adhering to the same tenants, does not report contrasting views. Thus, Western nations, most notably the United States today, justify aggression through their own self righteousness, convincing themselves that they are duty bound to change or eliminate hostile countries that do not adhere to Western principles. Rather than accepting differences they attempt to destroy differences to achieve uniformity in international political ideology. In such an atmosphere, international relations become power politics, with the assumption that new democracies that arise will be fashioned in the mold of American and Western European systems.

In China today foreign policy is an extension of domestic policy and, at the same time, serves domestic policy. Hu Jintao, President of China, pointed out, China must "Closely connect our development with the progress of mankind. Develop our self through maintaining world peace and at the same time through our own development to promote world peace." The Chinese government has officially stated the central ideas of Harmony China and Harmony World as: China wants to build a harmony society of "democracy and rule of law, justice and righteousness, trustworthiness and friendliness, full of vitality, stable and orderly, a society of man and nature in harmony." A Harmony World envisioned by China is "adherence to multilateralism, realization of mutual security, adherence to mutually beneficial cooperation, realization of mutual prosperity, adherence to the spirit of tolerance and building a Harmony World together."

President Hu Jintao, on April 22, 2005, when attending the Asian African Summit meeting, suggested that "promoting friendship among different cultures, equal dialogue, develop common prosperity and together build a harmony world." This was the first time the concept of Harmony World appeared on the world stage. Two months later on July 1, 2005, President Hu Jintao visited Moscow. Harmony World was written into the China-Russia world order joint communiqué. For the first time World Harmony was recognized as common policy belief between two major countries. This marks the new World Harmony concept's gradual entrance into the vision of a world society. Chinese leaders thoughts on World Harmony were quickly deepening, for two months later, on September 15, 2005, President Hu Jintao gave a speech at the United Nation General Assembly in which he detailed the deep contents of World Harmony. Participants of the meeting gave the speech a resounding response, and world media also gave the speech heightened notice and positive evaluation. It is generally considered that China as a major responsible country is transmitting to the world its longing for peaceful world development. The speech also served to relate China's message to build a peaceful, prosperous and Harmony World together with the rest of the world. Harmonious and cooperative China stands ready to work for sustainable and long lasting peace and mutual prosperity with the rest of the world.

(IV) CHINESE HARMONY AS SYSTEM ENGINEERING BLUE PRINT

China's cultural contribution to the world is the harmony philosophy just as Europe and America are the breeding grounds for democracy. China for most of its 5000 years of recorded culture was an agricultural society, in contrast to Europeans, most of whom were descendants from pastoral nomads. As a continuing ancient culture China was firmly rooted to cultivating the land handed down through the generations. This dependency on agriculture led to an inclination to harmonize with nature rather than to challenge nature. The order of nature is harmony with Ying and Yang in dynamic balance as taught by Laotze. As a result harmony philosophy grew in the fertile land of this Middle Kingdom until it was challenged by Western democracy as late as the 1900's. Chinese ancient culture, rich in harmony teaching begun 2500 years ago by Laotze and Confucius, was preserved and handed down with continuing refinement until modern times.

Laotze's instructions of harmony were rooted in observation of the origin of the universe and natural science. His philosophy of human activity harmonizing with nature was all embracing, including the practice of FENG SHUI (living with nature), physical science, agriculture and Chinese ancient medical practice. Chinese medical practice is holistic, based on the belief that biological systems must maintain internal balance to be healthy. The goal of treatment is to restore the balance of opposing forces in this total system. This led to the belief that human biological systems, society, and nations are constantly in an influx of ever changing contending forces. Harmony is achieved when the contending forces come to a balance or mutual acceptance under a certain set of conditions. All systems are constantly shifting, complex, and seldom just black and white (or in western terms, good or bad). This concept of harmony is just as fitting in today's complex world and society as it was during the time of Laotze.

Confucius' teaching comprises social systems including: man with himself, man between men, man and society and relations between groups and countries. This includes harmony between government and its citizens, which means that democracy is part of harmony system analysis. In keeping with Chinese harmony philosophy, balance is achieved through self discipline, high moral value, social order rather than strict law and penal system. The use of physical force is to be avoided, and employed only as a last resort. Harmony Society discussions in today's China under the present leadership are returning to the old roots of system analysis and ever changing balance of major forces in a changing world. This is based on the very nature of Chinese peoples' longing for harmony and the ancient teaching of tolerance, acceptance and equity. Both Laotze and Confucius teachings were comprehensive system engineering analyses of Harmony for ancient China, and the Communique is a system analysis of Socialism with Chinese characteristics for today's China.

(V) THE ULTIMATE PRINCIPLE OF HARMONY

The ultimate principle of Chinese ancient principles, as expounded by LAOTZE in DAO DE JING, is the balance of YING and YANG but ultimately YING envelopes YANG and is beautifully illustrated in the Daoist circle sign of life. However it is known observation today that dark energy represents over eighty percent of the universe and visible matter is the smaller remaining part.

This general theme of YING over YANG runs through DAO DE JING. To name a few images from DAO DE JING; soft overcomes the hard like dripping water eventually bores a hole in the hardest rock, water flows over and immerses that blocks it. Water representing Ying can both float and sink a boat. Harmony represents soft power to resolve conflicts as opposed to warfare which represents hard power. In today's conflicting world one model of democracy cannot be forced on other nations of different cultures and at different developing stages. Democracy works best by softly and patiently winning over the hearts and minds of people. Countering extremism by extremism is bound to lead to ultimate destruction of both sides. The best way to resolve conflicts is to bring harmony to the confronting parties. This can start by understanding the differences in cultural understandings and causes of conflicts through mutual respect, trust, tolerance and acceptance. Confucius said "JUN ZI HE ER BU TONG, XIAO REN TONG ER BU HE" which means that gentlemen place harmony above ideological differences, and petty people fight for ideology differences. "HAI NAI BEI CHUAN, YU YONG NAI DA"( The sea takes in hundreds of rivers, it can be big only if it contains). World harmony will surely come.
michinobu_zoned
QUOTE(Jagger @ Jun 3 2008, 12:25 AM) [snapback]3732685[/snapback]
What about those countries in Africa and the Middle East which are violently rejecting "Westernization" or "Western culture"? It's not like China is the only one.
In what way are fields like natural science, social science, technology, culture, or art, "Western" in origin? These fields were greatly advanced by "Western cultures", but that does not make them Western in origin. Europe had borrowed plenty from the "East" before the days of European colonialism.

True, but I give credit for the foundations to the West because many of their foundations were formed in Ancient Greece. But, with fields like math, many of its sub-fields aren't Western in origin, such is true with geometry and algebra. Instead, Europeans picked those up and advanced them further.
Jagger
QUOTE(michinobu_zoned @ Jun 3 2008, 05:19 PM) [snapback]3733332[/snapback]
True, but I give credit for the foundations to the West because many of their foundations were formed in Ancient Greece. But, with fields like math, many of its sub-fields aren't Western in origin, such is true with geometry and algebra. Instead, Europeans picked those up and advanced them further.

Greek civilization, and by extension Western civilization as a whole, was itself built on Near-Eastern foundations. The only way one could make a valid claim for science and mathematics being "Western" in origin is if they include the Middle East as part of the "Western world", which is extremely unlikely to happen in the current post-9/11 political climate.
tujue
greed? embarassedlaugh.gif
avisitor
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jun 3 2008, 01:22 AM) [snapback]3732806[/snapback]


Wow, Tangy, you read a lot into that one phrase?

OH, "Tongyi" like many words ... has a few definitions
Literal is "with one".
Another is "same".
And still another is "agree".
Only the writer knows for sure what the meaning is?
tangawizi
QUOTE(avisitor @ Jun 4 2008, 05:26 AM) [snapback]3734378[/snapback]
Wow, Tangy, you read a lot into that one phrase?

OH, "Tongyi" like many words ... has a few definitions
Literal is "with one".
Another is "same".
And still another is "agree".
Only the writer knows for sure what the meaning is?


The chinese word for "agree" is 同意. Not the same as 一, which incidentally happened to be the Qin Emperor's guiding philosophy in warring with the disparate states to unite China under one rule. Did u watch the movie "Hero"???

Now we know what the chinese princelings are up to! eek.gif
tinko
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jun 3 2008, 06:22 AM) [snapback]3732806[/snapback]
........One World One Dream............



scientists and athletes have long appreciated each other and shared similar knowledge.
i remember even nuclear scientists from US were visiting with the chinese counterpart.

this would be a great motto if you subtract politics from the olympics
avisitor
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jun 4 2008, 12:11 AM) [snapback]3734636[/snapback]
The chinese word for "agree" is 同意. Not the same as 一, which incidentally happened to be the Qin Emperor's guiding philosophy in warring with the disparate states to unite China under one rule. Did u watch the movie "Hero"???

Now we know what the chinese princelings are up to! eek.gif


Wow, you really are too smart for me.
I was relating to the ping-ying
Not so much the chinese written character.
But, Thanks for the update.

Still the real meaning is hidden. Could be communist propanganda?
Or, could be a real call for unity and peace? I have learned
Not everything is as simple as it seems.
jiggyiggy
ONE WORLD
ONE DREAM
ONE TRUTH
ONE STATE

MAO POWER!!!


avisitor
QUOTE(jiggyiggy @ Jun 5 2008, 05:05 PM) [snapback]3737768[/snapback]
ONE WORLD
ONE DREAM
ONE TRUTH
ONE STATE

MAO POWER!!!


You're funny embarassedlaugh.gif
mndeg
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tangawizi
Something about chinese politicians... they'll say one thing and yet act in the totally opposite way... but I like the whole idea of bringing Yin-Yang harmonious ever-changing nature of life into international politics... pretty funky! biggthumpup.gif
jiggyiggy
Tang, you hang out here way too much considering the fact that you are an educated person.
furball
Chinese culture, as represented by the thoughts of Confucius, offers a real viable alternative to modern Western culture.
wazzupfool
china will take over the world!
they have a secret plan to populate each country until the original people will slowley be out numbered! icon_twisted.gif !
hahahahahahaha
Jagger
QUOTE(wazzupfool @ Jun 8 2008, 05:23 AM) [snapback]3742460[/snapback]
china will take over the world!
they have a secret plan to populate each country until the original people will slowley be out numbered! icon_twisted.gif !
hahahahahahaha

That sounds like a plan, but you'll have to fight off competition from India, which also plans to populate the world with millions of its minions.
Chillin
QUOTE(furball @ Jun 6 2008, 06:07 PM) [snapback]3739959[/snapback]
Chinese culture, as represented by the thoughts of Confucius, offers a real viable alternative to modern Western culture.


This is what i've been trying to tell everyone!
avisitor
QUOTE(furball @ Jun 6 2008, 07:07 PM) [snapback]3739959[/snapback]
Chinese culture, as represented by the thoughts of Confucius, offers a real viable alternative to modern Western culture.



Even China has rejected chinese culture as represented by the thoughts of Confucius.
China has adopted many of the modern Western influences.
As seen in the number of cars and SUV on the road in China.
As seen in the way trade and business is now conducted in China.
As seen in the new banking regulations in China.
As seen in the media in China.
What makes you think that it is a real viable alternative to modern Western culture?
yhellothar
QUOTE
Even China has rejected chinese culture as represented by the thoughts of Confucius.
China has adopted many of the modern Western influences.
As seen in the number of cars and SUV on the road in China.
As seen in the way trade and business is now conducted in China.
As seen in the new banking regulations in China.
As seen in the media in China.
What makes you think that it is a real viable alternative to modern Western culture?


Tech =/= culture, or in that case you'd be Chinese every time you wiped your bum with toilet paper. Then again SUV culture (waste, status symbol) is indeed Americana.
avisitor
QUOTE(yhellothar @ Jun 9 2008, 12:41 PM) [snapback]3745953[/snapback]
Tech =/= culture, or in that case you'd be Chinese every time you wiped your bum with toilet paper. Then again SUV culture (waste, status symbol) is indeed Americana.


I am Chinese ... whether I am wiping my bum or driving a SUV.
Technology does not equate to the culture of the orignator of the tech.
Technology creates it own phenomenon and following or cult.
See Anime, video games, internet chat rooms and forums...etc.
Media however is not tech but the presentation of its own people in different formats
(Such as Advertisements, News, Fashion, Dramas, Comedys, ...etc.)
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Protoculture
QUOTE
Chinese culture, as represented by the thoughts of Confucius, offers a real viable alternative to modern Western culture.


WHAT?

You're wrong on that quarter, bub.

It supposed to be:

CHINA'S CULTURE, AS REPRESENTED BY THE THOUGHT OF MAO-MARXISM (NOW AWASHED WITH MONEY), OFFERS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO MODERN WESTERN CULTURE.

That's what the Red Godless Commie China wanna exported to the world. Seriously!
avisitor
QUOTE(Protoculture @ Jun 9 2008, 11:34 PM) [snapback]3746977[/snapback]
WHAT?

You're wrong on that quarter, bub.

It supposed to be:

CHINA'S CULTURE, AS REPRESENTED BY THE THOUGHT OF MAO-MARXISM (NOW AWASHED WITH MONEY), OFFERS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO MODERN WESTERN CULTURE.

That's what the Red Godless Commie China wanna exported to the world. Seriously!



Are you a red blooded, God fearing, commie hater? embarassedlaugh.gif
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