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Next ww3 will be US. VS China and Iran. :P China and Iran join forces to try to trow United States...but no one will win because United States will start bombing everyone else. :/ And the land will die and so will the people and maybe the whole world will get wiped out.
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Malaysia pig vs Indonesia+Philipines+Thailand+USA+Singapore+China+India =Malaysian pig get bombed in kampung baru ,kl and hilang di dunia.
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Don't forget Indonesia - Malaysia could be a possibility...
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This is likely scenerio after the war between Indonesia and Malaysia.

The war doesnt last long as both countries will agree to a truce as soon as the leaders are thrown out. The taliban like organization in Malaysia & Indo will joint forces with MILF & PULO to dethrone Thailand & the Phillippines. Singapore is completely overwhelmed by this development. From this domino effect, the whole region will be under Taliban-like govt & united against American imperialism.

American will bombard SEA and turned everything to ashes, Russia & China intervene, the rest will be history, but no one will be able to live to tell......
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Why no Malaysia and Singapore? Pulau Batu Puteh become the trigger for WW3?
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Malaysia-Singapore? Hard to tell bro, maybe when Malaysian politic is dominated by Taliban-like govt.
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QUOTE(kumanddie @ Jun 6 2008, 07:35 PM) [snapback]3739018[/snapback]
There are hopeful signs that Israeli diplomacy can turn Russia's pragmatic fears to healthier ends, as when Russian Ambassador to Israel Petr Stegniy told the Post last week that a nuclear Iran is as much "a nightmare" for Russia as it is for the US and Israel.

I think what we're seeing are the subtle signs of Russia's quite formidable skills at long term defence strategy while at the same time keeping up good diplomacy.

Which is what West Asia in particular, n the world in general, badly needs from the only global military power left capable of standing up to the Judaeo-Anglo-American axis.

Pending what looks like the imminent transformation of China into another credible global military power of the same or similar standing as Russia.

Petr Stegniy is a diplomat. Diplospeak is diplospeak.

Realpolitik is realpolitik. Alliances r alliances. Balance of power is balance of power.

Don't worry. Vladimir is still in charge. His record shows that he's always stood up for a friend, n he hasn't let a friend down.

As much as Israel thinks Israel knows Russia, Russia also knows Israel.

If not even America can push Russia around, what makes Israel think that Russia will be putty in Israel's hands?
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Y'know what, nowadays USA started to switch her next War on Terror target away from Iran. Uncle Sam has found a new one, Syria.

If McCain wins the coveted USA throne, expect another Gulf War in the process, with Israel egging USA on. The more US GI Joes die in the battlefield, the more Isrealis military conscripts live to see another day. Gotta admire the Israelis though, how they actually manipulate Uncle Sam into doing their dirty work, & drag into their proxy wars against Syria & Iran.
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Are you praying for it? Seems like you are.

No.

US is not in the condition, politically, financially, or militarily to fight another war. Not right now. It's spent. Exhausted.

Despite the occasional tough talk from some buffoon, neo-con redneck.

If it's still stupid enough to do so, then it'll only injure, not enhance, its own interests.

Israel will never stop egging US on. That's the mainstay of Israel's foreign policy.

If anything, if US has switched targets, what that means is simply that US has now finally realised the limits of its FINITE power.
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US is not in the condition, politically, financially, or militarily to fight another war. Not right now. It's spent. Exhausted.


US will be in the prolonged war if the Republican hawks that egging Bush doing the same to McCasin (if MacCain wins the presidency).

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Despite the occasional tough talk from some buffoon, neo-con redneck.


Will happen if they actually control & dictate US foreign & military policy, which has occurred in the past, present & possibly in the near future (if McCain wins).

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If it's still stupid enough to do so, then it'll only injure, not enhance, its own interests.


Didn't stop Bush Jr from messing the MidEast, which lead to fuel price skyrocketed & global plus US economy get messed up back home. Do you really thinks that gonna change the hawks at White House? Only a change to sensible Administration such things may actually lessened up a bit.

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Israel will never stop egging US on. That's the mainstay of Israel's foreign policy.


Well, the NATO boys & US GI Joes (& GI Janes) will continue to lost their heads, limbs & even lost their minds to Al-Qaeda while the Israeli military conscripts lived to see another day (unless there's suicidal vengeful Palestinians get their target on 'em, which are rare indeed).

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If anything, if US has switched targets, what that means is simply that US has now finally realised the limits of its FINITE power.


US switched target because Syria is easy meal compared to Iran. But a war with Syria will only egged Iran to join in the fight, because US & Israel know that only by attacking Syria, Iran will lend military assistance, which means through Iraq & the Hezbollah will rise up from Lebanon, then US & Israel have legitimate excuse to confront Iran militarily.

US can no longer depends on non-existent MASS-WEAPON-OF-DESTRUCTION excuse that it used against Iraq & recycle it to attack Iran. By attacking Syria, Iran, being Syria's ally & military patron will act militarily. Thus US has a perfect excuse to engage Iran, with the GI Joes & Nato boys being pushed forward while Israeli conscripts watched from behind before joining the fray.
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QUOTE(Protoculture @ Jun 11 2008, 10:21 PM) [snapback]3750787[/snapback]
1. Didn't stop Bush Jr from messing the MidEast, which lead to fuel price skyrocketed & global plus US economy get messed up back home. Do you really thinks that gonna change the hawks at White House? Only a change to sensible Administration such things may actually lessened up a bit.

2. US switched target because Syria is easy meal compared to Iran. But a war with Syria will only egged Iran to join in the fight, because US & Israel know that only by attacking Syria, Iran will lend military assistance, which means through Iraq & the Hezbollah will rise up from Lebanon, then US & Israel have legitimate excuse to confront Iran militarily.

3. US can no longer depends on non-existent MASS-WEAPON-OF-DESTRUCTION excuse that it used against Iraq & recycle it to attack Iran. By attacking Syria, Iran, being Syria's ally & military patron will act militarily. Thus US has a perfect excuse to engage Iran, with the GI Joes & Nato boys being pushed forward while Israeli conscripts watched from behind before joining the fray.


1. That was 7 years ago. Before he knew better. Now he's learned a hard lesson. Have you seen his popularity (or rather unpopularity) ratings lately?

2 & 3. You just never learn, do you? If the US really wants a war, n is financially, politically, n militarily capable of prosecuting it successfully, it will FIND an excuse.

Or several.

Whether legitimate or not.

Especially if Re-Pukes happen to be in power.

No matter what the rest of the world says.




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1. That was 7 years ago. Before he knew better. Now he's learned a hard lesson. Have you seen his popularity (or rather unpopularity) ratings lately?


Hah! As if he cares. Now he is raving about Iran, & Syria .... besides, Bush Jr get nothing to lose since he already nearing his presidential term. Another US President, either Obama or McCain, will have to clean the mess he made.

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2 & 3. You just never learn, do you? If the US really wants a war, n is financially, politically, n militarily capable of prosecuting it successfully, it will FIND an excuse.

Or several.

Whether legitimate or not.

Especially if Re-Pukes happen to be in power.

No matter what the rest of the world says.


Ohhh, I do learn. Really. Especially if McCain wins. Especially Re-pukes control the Senate. Especially the Hawks dictate foreign policy.
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Not sure about who gonna start it ,I am sure its would be the nuclear war that destroy awhole civilization. Then after WWIII the hightech weapon is no more then people might used the stone to throw to their enemy. And those who can rule the world is the one who has the finest martial art in hand. May be Muay Thai.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenshiro
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Guys. Get real.

There will be no planet-destroying WWIII. beerchug.gif

Simply because right now there is NO single military superpower with a fair chance of winning a titanic no-holds-barred nuclear war. Even with a pre-emptive nuke first attack. Even if the pre-emptive nuke first attacker is America.

In such a case, God forbid, the pre-emptive nuke first attacker will be destroyed too. By a retaliatory nuke counter-attack. biggthumpup.gif

The US is maybe right now contemplating, even working on, a strategy which might eventually enable it to win a nuke war by a massive first attack which will pre-emptively destroy the capability of its nearest rival (read: Russia) to mount a meaningful retaliation. icon_neutral.gif

Its proposed nuke defence shield to be based in Poland n Ukraine are intended precisely for that. Although the official excuse being hawked about is for it to defend Europe against a potential "rogue state" (read: Iran).

But Russia is definitely having NONE of that. biggthumpup.gif

Cos if that facility is allowed to reach its full design target, then the nuclear arms race/balance is virtually FINISHED. America can then launch a massive nuke first strike to cripple Russia, n any retaliatory Russian nuke strike will then be NEATLY mopped up by the Poland/Ukraine nuke defence shield.

America will then reign supreme. FOREVER. With no rival left capable of defeating it in such an "America strikes first" scenario. icon_neutral.gif

FORTUNATELY, we still have Vladimir in EFFECTIVE power. He won't let that happen. NOT a chance. biggthumpup.gif

As for the America-Iraq security agreement, it'll be torn up n flushed down the $hit pipe as soon as Barrack Obama becomes Prez. laugh.gif

Japan, China n Korea will eventually make PERMANENT peace with one another. It's to their mutual benefit anyway. Besides, they're brother nations really. Like the man said, blood is thicker than water. Especially the water of the pond between Japan n America. beerchug.gif

Although America will of course keep trying its darndest best to keep these three countries at each other's throats for as long as possible.

As for Israel bombing Iran, don't ya worry. It won't happen. Cos for each n every Israeli who wants to nuke Iran, there're at least 50 Americans n Europeans who would love to nuke Israel. Including in Britain, France, Russia n Germany. biggthumpup.gif
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IT'S A CONSPIRACY, STUPID!
BRAIN WASHING, SAVING FACE, DENYING THE OBVIOUS



By Al Cronkrite





"Then one of the twelve, named Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests, and said, 'What are you willing to give me to deliver Him up to you?' And they weighed out to him thirty pieces of silver and from then on they began looking for a good opportunity to betray Him." Matthew 26:14-16

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." Quoted from "Memoirs" by David Rockefeller

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." Mayer Amschel Rothschild, Quoted from "The Creature From Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin

"a system of world order - preferably a system of world government - is mandatory…The proud nations someday will see the light and, for the common good and their own survival, yield up their precious sovereignty…" Walter Cronkite, "A Reporter's Life"

"It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation-states, however powerful." Maurice Strong, co-chairman UN Commission on Global Governance..

I just returned from a visit with my two sisters up North. Our parents were the youngest children in their families and our first generation relatives have now dwindled to a couple of cousins. I stayed with a sister whose birth followed my own by a scant two years and visited with another, seven years younger, who following a grueling set of six treatments for breast cancer will undergo a double mastectomy later this month. We are all in our seventies and aware that the sun is setting. It was a good visit.

I noted with sadness that stickers supporting the candidates of the two major political parties were rampant both here in Florida and through the states in which I traveled. There were many conversations involving the merits of one candidate over another and since my sisters and most of my circle of friends consider themselves conservative, there was plenty of information on the danger posed by Barak Obama. Though Senator Obama is to be admired for the diligence that has hoisted him to the position he now occupies it is altogether ludicrous that he might become president of a nation to which half of his family is alien.

I try to discourage discussion of either of the two major candidates for president since it lends credence to two-party politics which is part of the conspiracy no one wants to mention and is largely responsible for our present dilemma.

In our time, there are two major fallacies that stubbornly refuse to give way to reality. One, that there is "good" in every human being; and two, that national leaders do not conspire to acquire power by tyrannizing, murdering, and stealing the wealth and labor of their citizens.

The heart of every person is desperately wicked. This fact is recorded in the Bible and soundly confirmed by the mass murder and mayhem that fills our history books. Second, conspiracy is as common as dirt. Absalom conspired against King David; Joseph's brothers conspired against Joseph; the Jews conspired against Paul the Apostle; one political party conspires against another; members of the morning coffee group conspire to exclude a member they do not like; children conspire against another child who is different, etc. etc. Government represents power and those that seek power are even more liable to conspire than the children in the playground and when they do they can be expected to deny it and to attempt to make anyone who suspects it look foolish.

Our media treats conspiracy theorists and anti-Semites in the same manner. Both words have been so thoroughly demonized that their definitions denote criminal behavior. In direct opposition to free speech, uttering certain opinions is now a criminal offense in several nations. Please take time to read about it here.

Conspiracy is common and theories concerning national and international conspiracy should be regular fare in a free press. That they are not should be cause for alert citizens to wonder why.

It is a fact that any serious consideration of world events will produce a sure conclusion that powerful mysterious forces are producing momentous change.

Following WWII all of the defeated nations continued to house U.S. soldiers. However, their status as enemies quickly changed and they became friendly trading partners. Japan was the first foreign nation to heavily exploit our unilateral open market policies and the first nation to enjoy a huge favorable trading balance. Their lower standard of living, fractional labor costs, lower taxes, and healthy work ethic helped them enjoy a growing double digit share of the United States automobile market. As other industries slipped away our political leaders reminded us of the greatness of our system and our ability to compete with anyone in the world. Domestic televisions became extinct, the textile industry was mortally wounded and business leaders began to see their fair share of their own domestic market moved to foreign sources.

There were rumors that United States was to become a service economy. Then the Chinese juggernaut was released, international corporations began opening offices in China, cheaper Indian engineers became popular, Mexican labor began to draw U. S. industry to Mexico, our borders became porous with illegal aliens suppressing wages, and in the face of sizeable inflation middle class living standards regressed. There was a serious assault on the United States middle class that rapidly changed the character of our nation.

One might conclude all this was a result of technical advances that shrunk the world if it were not for President Nixon's 1972 trip to China; the United Nations; NAFT, GATT, CAFTA; the Council on Foreign Relations; the Bilderbergers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group , and President George W. Bush's meeting with Mexican President Vincent Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin on March 23, 2005 at the Bush Ranch in Crawford Texas where they signed the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.

Our Constitution was drafted in secret; the Federal Reserve System was constructed in secret and conducts its policies without oversight; our foreign policy is designed and carried out in secret; Executive Orders are written, codified and become law in secret; our president meets in secret with other world leaders, groups of business leaders meet with government leaders in secret; and, billions of dollars of taxpayer money is spent on secret projects that promote a government agenda that is also secret. The progress of world tyranny has been carefully kept from the public for decades. Though secrecy is not always evil, evil is often secret.

It is impossible to understand what is happening in our nation without accepting the reality of conspiracy. The news we read in our papers and hear on our televisions is tainted with a conspiratorial agenda. Never does the dire plight of the Palestinian people get printed or pronounced on our television screens. The memory of Christians lost in Hitler's death camps has been lost in a successful agenda to create inordinate sympathy for a people that have never totally assimilated. Efforts to erase our sovereignty in a North American Union do not appear on the front pages of our papers. History is missing and the causes of our present ugliness are not reported. Conspiracy is never written about or discussed. Instead of fulfilling the essential role of critiquing government our controlled media supports and promotes the advancement of tyranny. As long as individual U. S. citizens are willing to accept what they read in the newspapers and see on their television our freedoms will continue to slip away.

During my visit to Indianapolis I recounted in some detail what is happening as a result of the bailout of our banking system. Amschel Rothschild's declaration that control of the money provides de-facto hegemony is being extended before our eyes. I do not believe the world wide financial crisis was happenstance – it was planned in order to gain control over the world monetary system. My older sister had a typical reaction to a detailed explanation. "Can you imagine what our friends would think of us if we expressed this opinion? They would think we were crazy!"

The brainwashing has been successful. Truth has been so well wrapped in falsehood that many of us who know it are afraid to mention it out loud.

Control of information to the American people is blatant with entire classes of literature being banned. Alexander Solzhenitsyn's final book, a two volume work entitled "200 years together" has been successfully suppressed, never being translated into English. The current September/October issue of "The Barnes Review" is devoted to a detailed synopsis of the second volume, "The Jews of the Soviet Union". The editors believe it is the first and only review ever to appear in the English language.

For those who have read the final volume of Professor Kevin MacDonald's trilogy on the evolution of the Jewish people, "The Culture of Critique", the almost repetitious confirmation Solzhenitsyn provides for MacDonald's account of the Russian Revolution is astounding. It was a Christian Holocaust carried out by a predominantly Jewish cadre that dwarfed Hitler's evil catharsis. Solzhenitsyn estimates 60 million Russian Christians were annihilated. Tragically, as Americans are regularly bombarded with human interest stories, interviews, movies, literature, and even a museum devoted to the Jewish Holocaust, information on this massive Holocaust has been purposely concealed.

Zionist Jews are a major power in the world. Their agenda for Israel appears to be different from that of the equally powerful supporters of the New World Order. The Bush II Administration Neocons were instrumental in fomenting our Middle Eastern policy and Israel may have been instrumental in created the impetus. Their hope is for the continued expansion in power and geography of the neo-Israeli State. However, in testimony before congress globalist Zbigniew Brzezinski made the following statement, "The war in Iraq is a historic, strategic, and moral calamity. Undertaken under false assumptions, it is undermining America's global legitimacy. Its collateral civilian casualties as well as some abuses are tarnishing America's moral credentials. Driven by Manichean impulses and imperial hubris, it is intensifying regional instability….One need only invoke here the expressed views of the much admired President Gerald Ford, former Secretary of State James Baker, former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft and several leading Republican senators, John Warner, Chuck Hagel, and Gordon Smith among others."

Illegitimate neo-Israel supported by wealthy, powerful and highly placed Zionist Jews and hordes of apocalyptic Evangelical Christians may be a major stumbling block to the progress of the New World Order. Globalists picture a world of subservient nations under a single governmental structure which they control while Zionists picture a world subservient to Jewish power emanating from Jerusalem. Solzhenitsyn quotes David Ben Gurion's statement that "What is important is what the Jews do, and not what the Goyim have to say about it." He hints at a world-wide Zionist conspiracy that defines good and evil in terms of religion and race.

Did our naïve Christian President George W. Bush defect from his family camp and become a tool of the Zionists? Will there be a clash between these two wicked Titans? Time will tell.

It is impossible to properly understand politics in the United States without realizing that very little happens by accident and what does happen is designed to promote the agenda of powerful people who prefer not to be known. When American voters accept at face-value information provided by our media they allow themselves to be brainwashed into voting against their own self-interest.

If you are not convinced there is a conspiracy take a few minutes and listen to a Russian defector who confirms what Solzhenitsyn and MacDonald have documented. Listen here.

The following is excerpted from Solzhenitsyn's response to a questioner who asked if his book attempted to pin Russia's failure on the Jews:

"I avoid exactly that which your question implies: I do not call for any sort of scorekeeping or comparisons between the moral responsibility of one people or another; moreover, I completely exclude the responsibility of one nation toward another. All I am calling for is self-reflection."

"…Every people must answer morally for all of its past – including that past which is shameful."

"…It is in that spirit, specifically, that it would behoove the Jewish people to answer, both for the revolutionary cutthroats and the ranks willing to serve them. Not to answer before other peoples, but to oneself, to ones conscience, and before God. Just as we Russians must answer – for the pogroms, for the merciless arsonist peasants, for those crazed revolutionary soldiers, for those savage sailors."

Is there left in this morass of belligerent, proud, ill-informed citizens of the former city on a hill at least a remnant that can heed the advice of one who has been there and done that? Are we willing as a people to answer morally for our past, including that which is shameful?

Yes, my friends, the United States of America has been sinful in its dealings with other nations and its citizens have been sinful in supporting it. As a result we have fallen into degradation, our wealth is being lost, our peace is gone, we are unsuccessful in our endeavors, and martial law is close at hand.

The New World Order and Zionism are being forced upon us by powerful forces but we the people must shoulder our share of the blame. We have supported it and voted for it and failed to provide a righteous alternative. We have been more concerned with maintaining friendships than supporting truth and righteousness. We have gone to the poles in ignorance because we were unwilling to ferret out and understand the truth. We have allowed the end to justify the means in disobedience to God's legal system. We have failed to mention the Name of Jesus in public in order not to offend. We accept the lies and the blatant sins of our government in the name of peace. We have flocked to churches that preach humanism rather than demanding preachers who teach the Law and preach obedience. For decades we have allowed the two political parties to desecrate our nation by voting for the lesser of two evils.

Until the Jews, Israel, and the United States are willing to acknowledge their shameful sins and bend their knee to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, truth will continue to evade us and God's blessing will be withheld.
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The Problem of the Gas Chambers


By Robert Faurisson
The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence.

Article 19 of the Statutes of the International Military Tribunal
(in reality: the Inter-allied Military Tribunal) at Nuremberg

The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge, but shall take judicial notice thereof.

Article 21 of the Statutes


No one, not even those individuals who regard the Third Reich with nostalgia, denies the existence of concentration camps under Hitler. Everyone also recognizes that certain camps were equipped with crematory ovens: instead of being buried, the corpses were reduced to ashes. The repeated occurrence of epidemics made cremation necessary, especially for those who had died of typhus (see the photos of mass graves at Belsen et cetera). What is disputed by numerous French, British, American, and German authors is the existence of "extermination camps." This expression is used by historiographers to refer to those camps that were supposed to have been equipped with "gas chambers." Allegedly, these "gas chambers" were different from American gas chambers in that they were used to kill hundreds of men, women, and children at a time. Because the victims were chosen because of their race or religion, this is referred to as "genocide." The poison employed in this "genocide" is said to have been Zyklon B (a pesticide based upon prussic or hydrocyanic acid).



Those who contest the "genocide" claim and the existence of the "gas chambers" are called Revisionists. Their argument runs approximately as follows:

It suffices for both of these problems ("genocide" and "gas chambers") to apply the customary methods of historical criticism, to see that one is confronted here by two myths that are inseparable. The criminal intentions that are attributed to Hitler have never been proven. As far as the weapon for this crime is concerned, no one has actually seen it. Here one is confronted by an extraordinarily successful war and hate propaganda campaign. History is full of frauds of this kind, beginning with their religious fables of sorcery and witchcraft. What distinguishes our times from earlier epochs is the frightening power of the media and the propaganda ad nauseam which is made for what must be called "the hoax of the twentieth century." Let him beware who, after 30 years, gets the idea to expose this hoax. He will learn depending upon the situation through imprisonment, fines, assaults and insults. His career can be shattered or endangered. He will be denounced as a Nazi. Either his thesis will be ignored, or else it will be distorted. No country will be more unrelentingly ruthless toward him than Germany. [1]


Today however, the silence is about to be broken about those men who have dared to write responsibly that Hitler's "gas chambers" (including those of Auschwitz and Majdanek) are only a historical lie. That is a great advance.

But what insults and distortions an Exterminationist historian such as Georges Wellers allowed himself when, more than ten years after Paul Rassinier's death, he decided to expose the minutest part of the arguments of this ex-inmate of a concentration camp who had had the courage to reveal the lie of the "gas chambers" in his writings!

The best way in which a historian may inform himself regarding the actual claims of the disciples of Paul Rassinier is to refer to the work of American professor Dr. Arthur R. Butz entitled The Hoax of the Twentieth Century.


For my part, I take the liberty of making only a few observations specifically for serious research-oriented historians.

I call their attention to a paradox. Although the "gas chambers" are, in the view of the official historians, absolutely central to a picture of the Nazi concentration camp system (and furthermore, as proof for the totally perverse and devilish character of the German concentration camps in comparison to all previous and more recent concentration camps it ought to be meticulously shown how the Nazis proceeded to invent, construct, and operate these fearsome human slaughterhouses), one must be thoroughly astonished that in the impressive bibliography of the concentration camp literature there is not a single book, not a single brochure, not a single article, on the "gas chambers" themselves. One must not be misled by some very promising titles; rather one must ascertain the contents of these writings for oneself. I regard as "official historical writing" those publications which are written about the concentration camps by institutions or foundations that are partly or wholly financed from public funds, such as, for example, in France, the Comité d'Histoire de la Deuxième Guerre Mondiale (Committee for the History of the Second World War) and the Centre de Documentation Juive Contemporaire (Jewish Contemporary Documentation Center), and in Germany (Munich), the Institut für Zeitgeschichte (Institute for Contemporary History).

One must wait until page 541 of the thesis by Olga Wormser-Migot on the system of Nazi concentration camps, before one finds a passage about the "gas chambers." However, for the reader there are still three other surprises:
  1. The passage in question covers only three pages.
  2. It carries the title: "The Problem of the Gas Chambers."
  3. The "problem" consists of trying to determine whether the "gas chambers" at Ravensbrück (Germany) and Mauthausen (Austria) really existed; the author comes to the conclusion that they did not exist; however she does not examine here the "problem" of the "gas chambers" of Auschwitz or any of the other camps, probably because in her mind they do not present a "problem." [on page 157 of her book she says that Auschwitz I had no gas chamber.]
At this point, the reader probably wants to know why an analysis that concludes that "gas chambers" did not exist in certain camps is suddenly discontinued as soon as, for example, Auschwitz is discussed. Why, on one hand, is the critical spirit awakened, and then, on the other hand, is it allowed to collapse into lethargy? After all, as far as the "gas chamber" of Ravensbrück is concerned, we have many points of "evidence" and "undeniable eyewitness accounts," beginning with repeated and extensive eyewitness accounts by Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier or Germaine Tillion.

It gets even better. Several years after the war, before both British and French tribunals, the camp officials of Ravensbrück (Suhren, Schwarzhuber and Treite) repeatedly confessed to the existence of a "gas chamber" in their camp. They even vaguely described its operation. Eventually, those who did not commit suicide were executed because of this alleged "gas chamber." The same "confessions" were given prior to their deaths by Ziereis for Mauthausen (Austria) and by Kramer for Struthof-Natzweiler (Alsace).

Today, one can see the alleged "gas chamber" of Struthof-Natzweiler and in the same place one can also read the unbelievable "confession" of Kramer. This "gas chamber," which is designated as an "historical monument," is a complete fraud. The slightest amount of critical spirit will be sufficient to convince oneself that a gassing in this small room, without any sealing whatsoever, would have been a catastrophe for the executioner as well as for the people in the vicinity. In order to make this "gas chamber" (which is guaranteed to be "in its original condition") believable, someone has gone so for as to clumsily knock a hole into the thin wall with a chisel, and thereby break four tiles. The hole was so arranged that Josef Kramer would have dumped through it the mysterious "salts" (about which he could give no further details and which, when mixed with a little water, killed within one minute!). How could salts and water make such a gas? How could Kramer have prevented the gas from coming back out the hole? How could he see his victims from a hole which would have let him see no more than half the room? How did he ventilate the room before opening the rudimentary door, made from rough-cut lumber? Perhaps one must ask the civil engineering firm in Saint-Michel sur-Meurthe (Vosges), which after the war altered the place which today is presented to visitors "in its original condition"?

Even long after the war, prelates, university professors, and some ordinary citizens gave eyewitness descriptions regarding the terrible reality of the "gas chambers" of Buchenwald and Dachau. With regard to Buchenwald, the "gas chamber" gradually disappeared from the minds of the people who had previously maintained that there was one in this camp.


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With regard to Dachau, the situation is different. After it had been firmly established for example by His Eminence Bishop Piguet, the bishop of Clermont-Ferrand that the "gas chamber" had been especially useful in gassing Polish priests, [3] eventually the following official explanation came to pass:

This gas chamber, whose construction had been started in 1942, was still not completed in 1945 when the camp was liberated. No one could have been gassed in it.

The little room, which visitors are told is a "gas chamber," is in reality completely harmless and, while all sorts of construction plans are available for "Baracke X" (the crematorium and vicinity), one cannot determine upon what basis or technical explanation one can claim that this structure is an "unfinished gas chamber."


Broszat


No official historical institute has done more than the Institut für Zeitgeschichte in Munich to make the myth of the "gas chambers" believable. Since 1972 its director has been Dr. Martin Broszat. As a member of this Institute since 1955, Dr. Broszat became famous as a result of his (partial!) publication in 1958 of the confessions that Rudolf Höss (former Commandant of Auschwitz) is supposed to have written in a communist prison before he was hanged. However, on 19 August 1960, this historian had to tell his amazed countrymen that there had never been mass gassings in the entire Old Reich (Germany's 1937 frontiers), but rather, only in a small number of selected places, especially in occupied Poland, including Auschwitz and Birkenau but not Majdanek. This startling news was given in a simple letter to the editor which was published in the weekly magazine Die Zeit (19 August 1960, page 16). The title was quite misleading and restrictive: Keine Vergasung in Dachau (No Gassing at Dachau) instead of Keine Massenvergasung im Altreich (No Mass Gassing in the Old Reich). [4] In order to support this contention, Dr. Broszat provided not the slightest piece of evidence. Today [1978], eighteen years after his letter, neither he nor any of his colleagues has provided the slightest explanation for this affirmation. It would be highly interesting to learn:
  1. How does Dr. Broszat know that "gas chambers" in the Old Reich were frauds?
  2. How does he know that the "gas chambers" in Poland are genuine?
  3. Why do the "proofs," the "certainties," and the "eyewitness accounts" concerning the concentration camps in the west suddenly have no value, while the "proofs," "certainties," and "eyewitness accounts" concerning the camps in Poland Communist territory still remain true?
As if by some tacit agreement, not a single recognized historian has raised these questions. How often in the "history of history" has one relied upon the claims of a single historian? [5]


German Camps in Occupied Poland


Let us now examine the "gas chambers" in Poland.

For proof that the "gas chambers" in Belzec or Treblinka really existed, one is asked to rely essentially upon the statement of Kurt Gerstein. This document from a member of the SS, who allegedly committed suicide in 1945 in the prison of Cherche-Midi in Paris, abounds with so many absurdities that in the eyes of historians it has for a long time already been thoroughly discredited. [6] Furthermore, this statement has never been made public, not even in the documents of the Nuremberg tribunal, except in an unusable form (with truncations, falsifications, and rewritings). The actual document has never been available with its absurd appendices (French "draft" or the "supplements" in German).

Regarding Majdanek, a visit to the actual site is absolutely necessary. It is even more convincing than a visit to Struthof-Natzweiler, if that is possible. Over this question I will publish additional information.

With regard to Auschwitz and Birkenau, one must rely essentially on the "Memoirs" [7] of Rudolf Höss, which were prepared under the supervision of his Polish captors. At the actual site, one can only find a "reconstructed" room (Auschwitz I) and ruins (Auschwitz II or Birkenau).

An execution with gas has nothing to do with a suicidal or accidental suffocation. In the case of an execution, the executioner and his team must not be exposed to the slightest danger. For their executions, the Americans employ hydrocyanic acid in a sophisticated way, and that only in a small, hermetically-sealed chamber. Afterwards, the gas is exhausted from the chamber and neutralized.

For this reason, one must ask how, for example in the case of Auschwitz II or Birkenau, one could bring 2,000 people into a room measuring 210 square meters in area, and then in this highly crowded situation throw in the very strong pesticide Zyklon B, and then immediately after the deaths of the victims let a work crew without any gas masks enter the room in order to take out the bodies which had been thoroughly saturated with cyanide.

Two documents [8] from the German industrial archives which were registered by the Americans at Nuremberg tell us that the Zyklon B had a strong tendency to adhere to surfaces and could not be removed from an ordinary room with a strong ventilator, but only by natural aeration for almost 24 hours. Additional documents may be found only at the site in the Auschwitz Museum archives, which were never described elsewhere, but which show that this room of 210 square meters, which is today in a dilapidated condition, was only a very simple mortuary, which (in order to protect it against heat) had been located underground, and which was provided with only a single door which served as both an entrance and an exit. [9]

Concerning the crematoria of Auschwitz, there is just as there is generally for the entire camp an overabundance of documents and invoices down to the last penny. However, concerning the "gas chambers" there is nothing: no contract for construction, not even a study, nor an order for materials, nor a plan, nor an invoice, nor even a photograph. In a hundred war crimes trials, nothing of the sort was ever produced.


Christophersen


"I was in Auschwitz and I can assure you that there was no 'gas chamber' there." Only seldom does one hear defense witnesses with enough courage to pronounce this statement. They are persecuted in the courts. [10] Still today, everyone in Germany takes the risk that, if they give an eyewitness account in favor of Thies Christophersen (who wrote The Auschwitz Lie), they will be punished for '"defaming the memory of the deceased." [11]

Immediately after the war, the Germans, the International Red Cross and the Vatican (which was otherwise so expert as to whatever happened in Poland), as well as many others, declared in an embarrassed tone: "The 'gas chambers' we knew nothing about them!" Yes but I would put the question this way: "Can one know about things which did not even happen?"

There was not a single "gas chamber" in even one of the German concentration camps; that is the truth. The nonexistence of "gas chambers" should be regarded as welcome news; to hide this news in the future would be an injustice. Just as there is no attack upon a religion if one portrays "Fatima" as a fraud, the announcement that the "gas chambers" are an historical lie is no attack upon concentration camp survivors. One is merely doing one's duty being truthful.


Conclusions


After 30 years of research, revisionist authors have reached the following conclusions:
  1. The Hitler "gas chambers" never existed.
  2. The "genocide" (or "attempted genocide") of the Jews never took place. In other words: Hitler never gave an order nor permission that anyone should be killed because of his race or religion.
  3. The alleged "gas chambers" and the alleged "genocide" are one and the same lie.
  4. This lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.
  5. The principal victims of this fraud are the German people (but not the German rulers) and the entire Palestinian people.
  6. The enormous power of the official information services has, thus far, had the effect of ensuring the success of the lie and of censoring the freedom of expression of those who have denounced the lie.
  7. The participants in this lie know that its days are numbered. They distort the purpose and nature of the Revisionist research. They label as "resurgence of Nazism" or as "falsification of history" what is only a thoughtful and justified concern for historical truth.
Supplement


Two publications and an official intervention by the author:
  1. A letter to Historama, Paris, November 1975, page 10, on the expression "N.N." Originally, these initials never meant Nacht und Nebel (Night and Fog), but Nomen nescio (Anonymous). ln practice it meant that certain inmates would not be permitted to receive or send mail.
  2. Segments of a letter to Historia, Paris, August 1977, page 132: "The Imposture of Genocide."
  3. On 29 January 1978 at the Colloque National de Lyon sur Eglises et Chrétiens de France dans la Deuxième Guerre Mondiale (National Convention in Lyon on Churches and Christians of France during the Second World War) an intervention concerning the imposture of the "gas chambers" (see Rivarol, Paris, 16 February 1978, page 5).
Notes
  1. Regarding the great number of vicious and insulting articles, there is a study by Hermann Langbein which appeared in Le Monde Juif (The Jewish World), April/June 1975. The title is "Coup d'oeil sur la littérature néo-nazie," ("A Glimpse at Neo-Nazi Literature"), pages 8-20. Hermann Langbein was an inmate in Auschwitz. He testified at countless trials. He holds an important position in the circles of former concentration camp inmates. One of his most recent works is entitled: Hommes et Femmes à Auschwitz (Men and Women of Auschwitz), Paris, Fayard, 1975, VIII-529 pages (Translated from Menschen in Auschwitz, Vienna, 1974.) Not one of the 30 chapters, not one of the 268 sections of this book is devoted to the "gas chambers"! Rather, one constantly sees expressions such as "selection for the gas chambers" etc. There is also a study by Georges Wellers which appeared in Le Monde Juif (op. cit.) April/June 1977. The title is "La 'Solution finale', de la question juive et la mythomanie néo-nazie" ("The "Final Solution" and Neo-Nazi Mythomania,"), pages 41-84. There is also a study by Ino Arndt and Wolfgang Scheffler in Viertelsjahreshefte für Zeitgeschichte (Quarterly Review for Contemporary History), which is a publication of the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich. The Institute's director is currently Dr. Martin Broszat. This study was published in the issue of April 1976. The title is: "Organisierter Massenmord an Juden in NS-Vernichtungslagern" (Organized Mass-Murder of Jews in Nazi Extermination Camps), pages 105-135.
  2. The Hoax of the Twentieth Century. Newport Beach, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1979.
  3. Prison et Déportation (Prison and Deportation). Paris: Spes; 1947; page 77.
  4. Broszat's letter is reproduced in facsimile (with its English translation) in The Journal of Historical Review, May/June 1993, page 12.
  5. The famed Simon Wiesenthal has also admitted that "there were no extermination camps on German soil" in a letter to the editor of Books and Bookmen, page 5, April 1975. Although he later wrote in a letter dated 12 May 1986 to Professor John George of Central State University in Edmond, Oklahoma, that he "could never have said such a thing," Wiesenthal reconfirmed his earlier statement in a letter to the editor published on page 14 of the European editor of Stars and Stripes dated 24 January 1993. This letter is reproduced in facsimile in The Journal for Historical Review, May/June 1993, page 10.
  6. See the opinion expressed by the forensic pathologist as it is reported by the Exterminationist Pierre Joffroy in his book about Kurt Gerstein: L'Espion de Dieu/La Passion de Kurt Gerstein (The Spy of God/The Passion of Kurt Gerstein), Paris, Grasset, 1969, page 262.
  7. Kommandant in Auschwitz/Autobiographische Aufzeichnungen (Commandant of Auschwitz/Autobiographical Memoirs) by Rudolf Höss, Stuttgart, Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt,1958,184p; introduction and commentary by Dr. Martin Broszat. Concerning "gassing," see pages 126 and 166. The entry of the work crew into the "gas chamber" is supposed to happen "sofort" ("immediately") as it is written on page 166.
  8. These two extensive documents which are of great importance were apparently not used at the trials of Gerhard Peters, former director of Degesch. They were registered as documents NI-9098 and NI-9912. They irrevocably reduce to nothing the "eyewitness testimony" of Höss regarding the "gas chambers."
  9. Photographs Neg. 6228 and following.
  10. Case of Wilhelm Stäglich, for example. See Stäglich in the Index Nominum of Butz's book (op. cit.).
  11. Die Auschwitz-Lüge (The Auschwitz Lie), #23 of Kritik (2341 Kälberhagen, Post Mohrkirch, West Germany), 1974. This booklet was followed by Der Auschwitz-Betrug/Das Echo auf die Auschwitz-Lüge (The Auschwitz Fraud/The Echo of the Auschwitz Lie.).
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Perhaps the simplest way to understand it is this.

USA is a major export of firearms. IF the world is at peace, who would buy their nuclear war heads? These arsenals are like consumables, they expire or in other cases, gets outdated rather quickly as technology advance. After so much resources spent onto them, imagine how much losses if they are left to rot in the armoury?

Being smartasses, these yankees decided "hey! if we can't sell them, lets use them! we use them to get more raw materials to make newer weapons! when there is more uncertainty in this world, more countries would buy weapons from us!"

That's a 2 win situation.

Extrapolating it, one can imagine war in the future would be nuclear warheads heading to places with crude oil exports.(mainly the opec countries, which are mainly muslim countries.)

Countries with substantiate military forces: USA (quality), China(quantity)
Countries with pretty oil fields: Throw a dart on a middle east map

Put any combination of these and you might strike lucky to guess the next war. Oh yar, forgot to mention, add in the treaties and allied document signed by these countries and you will have the world war as u wish =D
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