QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Jun 7 2008, 10:27 PM) [snapback]3742604[/snapback]
Ironically enough I haven’t encountered a Vietnamese person who supports Vietnamese language being part of Mon-Khmer. Yet I encountered a lot of Khmers like you who always eager to make affiliation with Vietnamese. It just seems ridiculous, don’t you think? I mean based on physical appearance, Vietnamese look nowhere near Cambodian, they may look like Thai and Lao or some Filipino or some Southern Chinese, but not Cambodian. Their ancestors were from the Red River Delta in the North. I don’t see how Vietnamese language should be placed under Mon-Khmer because obviously our ancestors didn’t come from your people. Hence the Viet-Muong branch should be on its own and not under Mon-Khmer.
Prejudiced? I don’t think Vietnamese is anymore related to your people than to the Cham and Malay people. Why do want us to think that we are related to you when we’re so different? The closest relative to Vietnamese are the Muong minority, the Tay minority and the Nung minority in North Vietnam. These minorities have been there with the Vietnamese for thousands of years, they’re our closest relatives, their languages are tonal just like Vietnamese and the grammars in their language are also like Vietnamese grammar.
@Sovann: I don't know about your language, that's why I don't even say anything about where Khmer language should be placed. Some people aren't Vietnamese and don't know a damn about Vietnamese language but always talk like they know so much about it.
About the case of "new", it's not just Thai but some languages in the Tai-Zhaung branch have that word too, I just forgot.
Xang "gasoline" is a new concept, and if Vietnamese were to borrow it from anyone, it would be English, French, or Chinese, instead of Khmer. I don't think Khmer produce much gasoline to export to Vietnam so much that Vietnamese had to borrow that word from Khmer.
About the case of "Heng", since you don't know about it, I suspect that some Khmer borrowed it from the Cantonese or probably Teochew...Many of these words look like they recently entered the Khmer language because of the -ng ending (instead of -n ending) and -k ending (instead of the -t ending). It reminds me of Southern Vietnamese dialect because the Southern Vietnamese change all -t ending to -k ending, and -n ending to -ng ending. I'm thinking that these words entered Khmer language from the Southern Vietnamese. But that's just my assumption.
^A truly sad statement, only capable of coming out from insecure individuals. Face it. Like other people in Southeast Asia, Vietnamese people mixed too!!!! Look at Lao people. Our people had no real attachment to Southeast Asia up until the late 700 ADs and yet we're more open to accepting ALL people within the land as our brothers and sisters, including the Lao who are heavily mixed with Khmer blood like in Southern Laos. Some Lao are brown and some are yellow or white, but we still don't leave anyone out! I've seen Vietnamese with attitudes like yours and I truly feel sorry for you.
Do you think the Chinese will open their arms for you like brothers and sisters? NO wake up! The reality is, you're still not one of their people and never will be, culturally yes, but never as their own people. The reality is you're country is located in Southeast Asia. Let's see how things turn out if you Vietnamese come up with a devise that can "relocate" all of Vietnam and move it to East Asia, like next to Taiwan or something. Do you think the Chinese will be so open to helping you as your Southeast Asian neighbors have for thousands of years? No. In the long run, their only interest is helping out their OWN people and you know that!
Cambodia or the Khmer people for thousands of years have always been "selfless" and "giving" towards their neighbors and friends and all you can do is acknowledge your arrogance simply by implementing the "few tricks the Chinese taught you" to belittle your giving neighbors? Pathetic and truly sad!
