You can side up with the Chinese I don't care. Vietnamese isn't a Sinitic language either. It has some Sinitic elements but not Sinitic nevertheless. There should be new independent Vietic branch for Vietnamese.

I might also add that the Vietic languages are classified very distantly from the Khmeric languages under the umbrella name of Mon-Khmer.

Since you mentioned phonology, as I understand it, some other MK languages are tonal too. Some Khmuic dialects have become tonal. In Khmer, the Phnom Penh variety has shown some minor transition in that direction too.

eg. Kroch -> Khoch (said in a lower tone)

Khoch without the tone = Broken, Naughty, Bad.

I'd also like to say Khmers don't say the word Chien as Chieng... but as Chien. Lol. Also if it's the same word I'm thinking.. Heng in Khmer is more correctly written as Henh if it were to be directly transliterated from Khmer. I know that S.Vietnamese Nh ending becomes an N. In Khmer it's been preserved as Nh still.

That old language you mention is probably Sanskrit. Even the French has the word Mae for Mother. And Pa for father.

it's actually paw in thai, like the english pa.

no, i don't rmbr it being called sanskrit. it's an ancient language that many languages around the world originated from. this is bugging me that i don't rmbr! i wished i had my old teacher's email to ask him. lol.

I don't know about the Thai language as far as the French language is concerned, but in Lao language we use "Paw/Por" (soft P) for father and sometimes "Pa", as well. I believe "Pa" (hard P) is derived from the French language, but is used in Lao, Viet, and Khmer languages...belonging to the three Indochinese countries. In addition, "Mae" also means Mother in Lao language.

"Mai" also means New in Lao language as well as Thai language. Not sure if this word is a native Tai word or a word borrowed from Chinese/Khmer.

ba, bo,cha i used them all which ever I feel like it.... never realized it was a northern or southern thing.

pseudos reasoning?

^^i lived in the south and they used both

Not sure if you're religious, but are you talking about this? hehe

"The Tower of Babel (Hebrew: מגדל בבל‎ Migdal Bavel Arabic: برج بابل‎ Burj Babil) is a structure featured in chapter 11 of the Book of Genesis, an enormous tower intended as the crowning achievement of the city of Babilu, the Akkadian name for Babylon. According to the biblical account, Babel was a city that united humanity, all speaking a single language and migrating from the east; it was the home city of the great king Nimrod, and the first city to be built after the Great Flood. The people decided their city should have a tower so immense that it would have "its top in the heavens." (וְרֹאשׁוֹ בַשָּׁמַיִם). However, the Tower of Babel was not built for the worship and praise of God, but was dedicated to false man-made religion[citation needed], with a motive of making a 'name' for the builders - Genesis 11:4. God seeing what the people were doing and sinning[citation needed] against him, confused their languages and scattered the people throughout the earth."

mẹ is used in both North and South Vietnam.

but má is only used in South Vietnam.

That's why.

Get it?

i call him ba/bo/cha whenever I feel like it. I don't care where it came from it was used all over the places

what if I move to the north and use the word ma I'm sure people have done it before.

make what up? stop trying to annoy me to get my attention...you're a white-washed Vietnamese oversea, what do you know? Why don't you spend sometimes to study your country's language, history, and culture? Anyone with a decent knowledge of Vietnamese language and perhaps culture wouldn't respond like the way you do.

^ then stop following me around

Ironically enough I haven’t encountered a Vietnamese person who supports Vietnamese language being part of Mon-Khmer. Yet I encountered a lot of Khmers like you who always eager to make affiliation with Vietnamese. It just seems ridiculous, don’t you think? I mean based on physical appearance, Vietnamese look nowhere near Cambodian, they may look like Thai and Lao or some Filipino or some Southern Chinese, but not Cambodian. Their ancestors were from the Red River Delta in the North. I don’t see how Vietnamese language should be placed under Mon-Khmer because obviously our ancestors didn’t come from your people. Hence the Viet-Muong branch should be on its own and not under Mon-Khmer.

Prejudiced? I don’t think Vietnamese is anymore related to your people than to the Cham and Malay people. Why do want us to think that we are related to you when we’re so different? The closest relative to Vietnamese are the Muong minority, the Tay minority and the Nung minority in North Vietnam. These minorities have been there with the Vietnamese for thousands of years, they’re our closest relatives, their languages are tonal just like Vietnamese and the grammars in their language are also like Vietnamese grammar.

@Sovann: I don't know about your language, that's why I don't even say anything about where Khmer language should be placed. Some people aren't Vietnamese and don't know a damn about Vietnamese language but always talk like they know so much about it.
About the case of "new", it's not just Thai but some languages in the Tai-Zhaung branch have that word too, I just forgot.

Xang "gasoline" is a new concept, and if Vietnamese were to borrow it from anyone, it would be English, French, or Chinese, instead of Khmer. I don't think Khmer produce much gasoline to export to Vietnam so much that Vietnamese had to borrow that word from Khmer.

About the case of "Heng", since you don't know about it, I suspect that some Khmer borrowed it from the Cantonese or probably Teochew...Many of these words look like they recently entered the Khmer language because of the -ng ending (instead of -n ending) and -k ending (instead of the -t ending). It reminds me of Southern Vietnamese dialect because the Southern Vietnamese change all -t ending to -k ending, and -n ending to -ng ending. I'm thinking that these words entered Khmer language from the Southern Vietnamese. But that's just my assumption.

dont break up plz, you guys can work this out.

break up? since when did we ever go out?

and don't blame me for this because it was all his fault from the beginning.

and then what was that with the concubine thing? it was an outraged insult to me

break up? since when did we ever go out?

and don't blame me for this because it was all his fault from the beginning.

and then what was that with the concubine thing? it was an outraged insult to me

I seriously dont think Khmer cares or wants to associiate themselves with Vietnamese people so you are wrong. Why do you think alot of khmers hate Hun Sen? Because of his ties with the yuon ppl. We know viets don't look like us because amosngst south east asians you guys look nothing like us instead more of east asian features.

You take everything so seriously I was only joking around.

And all those things you said to me: go die. I wish you die, whitewashed, etc...etc..etc...

thats not insulting, right?

I'm glad you realized this I knew exactly what you were going to say and I was bailing you to say them.
The awkward thing is only a tiny fraction of Vietnamese language is similar to Khmer yet it's under Mon-Khmer. The grammar of the two aren't similar either. And on the phonology field, Khmer isn't tonal and its word structures are also different from Vietnamese words structure. I don't know what the French were thinking 150 years ago when they classified Vietnamese under Mon-Khmer.


Hm…Neither French nor Indian were under Mon-Khmer, why should Vietnamese be? Vietnamese should be on its own branch with the Muong language.

yes I did and I was because you made me mad first.

wow this dude even think i'm your lap dog for defending you. Great...

i did not read what had transpired between you two. i honestly dont stalk you.

true though, breakin up was the wrong view. till recently, i thought he was your lap dog.

haha however, i saw how you killed the hilarious road i was taking socals thread and turned it into....w/e that was.

by now you must notice it though right? hair loss? wrinkles?

well...actually.....i forgot what that thread was. but on a page you said something about always supporting her no matter what. after she said you always support her no matter what....

i duno, something along those lines. thats why. kiss and make up (and learn to love a bald woman ).

well...actually.....i forgot what that thread was. but on a page you said something about always supporting her no matter what. after she said you always support her no matter what....

i duno, something along those lines. thats why. kiss and make up (and learn to love a bald woman ).

hair loss and wrinkles? maybe. This was what I looked like after arguing with them...hair a mess, eyes swollen, and wrinkles? yea you can see circles under my eyes.


oh and I'm not the kind of person to make joke with

hair loss and wrinkles? maybe. This was what I looked like after arguing with them...hair a mess, eyes swollen, and wrinkles? yea you can see circles under my eyes.

oh and I'm not the kind of person to make joke with

^ you joined them dissing me so you deserve the same guilt

neutral? like pairing me up with the idiots of this forum?