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galvatron
Iraqi woman describes daughter's descent into suicide bombing icon_neutral.gif

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06...bers/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The mother's voice lacks emotion as she recalls how her daughter became a suicide bomber.


A woman used this car in a February 13 attack in Iraq. "God willing, she went to heaven," her mother says.

"She wanted to die in the name of God," she says on a videotape, her face peering out from under a dark brown head scarf.

"She told me she is sick of this life. ... So she spoke about the Americans. I told her, 'Where will you get Americans?' She said she will go after the Americans." Watch as the mother tells her story »

The daughter is one of 19 female suicide bombers this year, a number much higher than in previous years. According to the U.S. military, women carried out eight bombings in all of 2007.

In the February 13 attack, the daughter posed as a journalist with an English-speaking male accomplice, claiming that they had an interview with a prominent Iraqi tribal leader who works with U.S. forces.

Four guards protecting Sheikh Ifan al-Isawi were killed in the attack. Al-Isawi brought the mother in for questioning, and CNN obtained the video of the interrogation.

"God willing, she went to heaven," said the woman, whose son also was a suicide bomber in 2004. "She told me, 'Mom, I want to do it.' " eek.gif

The latest bombing involving a female came Friday, when a man and woman targeted an Iraqi police checkpoint in Ramadi, west of Baghdad. The explosion wounded three police and two civilians, said an official with the Iraqi Interior Ministry.

Authorities said that al Qaeda in Iraq actively is recruiting women and that increasing numbers of women are offering themselves up for missions. The officials said the women are desperate and hopeless. Most have pre-existing ties to the insurgency, and their main motive is revenge for a male family member killed by U.S. or Iraqi forces in the war, authorities said.

"We do see certain members of cells attempting to persuade women, specifically in many cases wives or those who have been killed as terrorists, to conduct suicide operations," said U.S. Maj. Gen. Mark Hertling, whose area of operations includes the volatile province of Diyala.
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"Since October, there have been nine suicide bombers who were female, seven of whom were recruited in the last 90 days," Hertling said. icon_confused.gif

Hertling's troops in Diyala have launched operations targeting members of families of suspected female bombers trying to break up the rings that are recruiting the women and girls. The U.S. military said it has six females in custody who were would-be suicide bombers. The youngest is 14, one U.S. official said on condition of anonymity.

Intelligence gathered from detainees indicates that al Qaeda in Iraq is looking for women with three main characteristics: those who are illiterate, are deeply religious or have financial struggles because most likely they've lost the male head of the household.

"They are also looking for someone who is young," Hertling said. "They will bypass an older widow."

Sheikh Adel Fahdawi, a Sunni leader, added, "If the woman's psychological state is bad, they try to lure her with the illusions that she will be going to heaven. ... All of them come from the families of terrorists, and they are being recruited and pressured."

In one bombing this year, a woman approached a police station in Diyala sobbing about her son. One witness said the woman referred to the local police commander as a "good man," adding, "I came for help." While she was being searched, her explosives detonated.

A woman who went to the bomb scene expressed outrage that another female would carry out such an attack.

Another female bomber used a similar tactic at an Iraqi army headquarters in Yusufiya, south of Baghdad, asking for the commanding officer, authorities said. As he approached, she blew herself up. The U.S. military detained a woman who it said confessed to being her handler.

"She was the person on the ground responsible for coordinating the final day or two of the attack," Capt. Michael Starz said. "[She] helped her prepare the device. ... She helped her affix it to her body."

According to U.S. intelligence, al Qaeda in Iraq uses suicide missions carried out by women to pressure its male fighters to step up and offer themselves up for attacks.

Classified documents given to CNN also indicate that the terrorist group is having increasing difficulty smuggling foreign fighters across the border from Syria after a recent military crackdown in the north.

The nationalities of most female bombers are unknown, but those identified in recent attacks are mainly Iraqi.

Females always have played a role in the insurgency in Iraq, helping feed militants, hiding them in their homes and helping sneak weapons around the country. They have proven to be highly effective in their operations as a result of the cultural convention that women are not to be searched.

Against a backdrop of such suffering and violence, U.S. and Iraqi officials said they fear that even more Iraqi women will turn themselves into bombs.


Fahdawi, the Sunni sheikh, said that more needs to be done to raise awareness through Iraq's imams, mosques and the media that al Qaeda in Iraq is preying on women.

"They need to expose the crime of al Qaeda. It is like the whole world is targeting Iraq," he said.
higginm
QUOTE(galvatron @ Jun 7 2008, 01:55 AM) [snapback]3740194[/snapback]
"God willing, she went to heaven," said the woman, whose son also was a suicide bomber in 2004.

Jeez, I hope this women does not have any more children approaching adulthood.
Jagger
It looks like Al-Qaeda have finally given women the rights to become suicide bombers after all...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/31/...in4142514.shtml
mndeg
religious nutjobs icon_neutral.gif

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Intelligence gathered from detainees indicates that al Qaeda in Iraq is looking for women with three main characteristics: those who are illiterate, are deeply religious or have financial struggles because most likely they've lost the male head of the household.

poverty and religion. not a good combination regardless of ethnicity/race
tamang hinala
seriously they're not religious, they are fanatics
Nebuchadrezzar2
While I'm not opposed to the idea about males/females who decide to blow themselves up and kill an enemy there are several problems here:

1. Main problem: "Al-Qaida", a FOREIGN group, is recruiting them, not a focused resistance group in Iraq.
2. They end up killing Iraqis instead of foreign combatants.
3. Some can be too young.

I don't mind my women fighting back against enemies/occupiers. The country belongs to them as much as it belongs to us men. If they want to blow themselves up and die for the country then so be it, at least they fought to protect it. The only thing is that when they die for it they kill foreign combatants (Al-Qaida, coalition forces, any foreign group with the who have the ability to attack us or occupy us) and not our people. I don't maky any distinction between a female fighter and a male fighter, both are equal thus I don't care what methods they use as long as it doesn't affect the population in a great way. However:

1. Put a restriction on the age. Only full grown up healthy adults should be able to carry out a thing like suicide bombing, not freakin' teenagers. Anyone who break the restriction should recieve death penalty.

2. Suicide bombing is just fu-king stupid, my opinion.

3. Women should preferably be the last ones to fight, as long as the men are alive the women should focus on staying alive.

4. A women should shoot any stranger the moment he try to recruit her although this might not be possible everytime.

5. It should be a choice and not done by force or by massive brainwashing.


This whole situation about recruting female suicide bombers right now is fu-ked up because in the end they are used towards the wrong target, and many are recruited by one of the actual targets.
Nebuchadrezzar2
QUOTE(Jagger @ Jun 6 2008, 09:10 PM) [snapback]3740369[/snapback]
It looks like Al-Qaeda have finally given women the rights to become suicide bombers after all...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/31/...in4142514.shtml


They are slow, didn't some retarded women just complain several days ago about their position in Al-Qaida? Next you'll probably see a new group or branch of Al-Qaida were only women are allowed to be recruited lol.
kown_chma
Women in some Muslim dominated area are not allowed to study, so prone to propaganda, easy brainwash.
Patton
QUOTE(Nebuchadrezzar2 @ Jun 7 2008, 02:47 AM) [snapback]3741155[/snapback]
They are slow, didn't some retarded women just complain several days ago about their position in Al-Qaida? Next you'll probably see a new group or branch of Al-Qaida were only women are allowed to be recruited lol.

I hear that there had been serious discussion in Al Queada circles that the pressures of the war has caused them to act in an unGodly manner. That there was some split with the attacks on innocents in the 9/11 attack. The global war only ends when those who actually want to convince the world to accept Sharia gain control over those who think they can do anything in the name of Jihad.
Jor
>>"We do see certain members of cells attempting to persuade women, specifically in many cases wives or those who have been killed as terrorists, to conduct suicide operations," said U.S. Maj. Gen. Mark Hertling, whose area of operations includes the volatile province of Diyala.<<

Bull$hit. There is no al-Qaeda army operating in Iraq and never has been. Al-Qaeda is not an army or command structure. Al-Qaeda is an ideology that teaches us vs. them and that those who fall into the "them" category must be eradicated and that doing so by martyring oneself is the greatest act of all. There's no recruiting going on. It's just disaffected people with nothing left to live for who buy into the ideology.

The Bush regime has created an imaginary enemy when all they are really fighting against is sectarian violence and hatreds. That is all al-Qaeda in Iraq is. That's why it cannot be stamped out militarily any more than any of the other sectarian strife can be militarily stamped out.

The Sunnis turned against the adherents of the al-Qaeda ideology because it is destroying their nation from the inside out. They are not fighting a foreign army. They are simply fighting other Iraqis. It is just another form of sectarianism. Its adherents are psychotically depressed, killing indiscriminately and are largely ineffective in their goal of touching off free-for-all fighting and killing in the streets. Al-Qaeda cannot accomplish anything and that is why the Sunnis are against it and why al-Sadr has backed out of the fight before the ideology contaminates his militia.

Read what the mother said:

"She told me she is sick of this life. ... So she spoke about the Americans. I told her, 'Where will you get Americans?' She said she will go after the Americans."

No recruiting, no training. Just someone suicidally unhappy choosing to go out the al-Qaeda way.

>>The daughter is one of 19 female suicide bombers this year, a number much higher than in previous years. According to the U.S. military, women carried out eight bombings in all of 2007.<<

That is indeed a danger signal not because al-Qaeda is recruiting more women because that isn't happening. But more women are succumbing to the ideology because they feel they have nothing to live for. The war has drained every last vestige of humanity from them. It is not foreign fighters causing this--it is us, our presence, our invasion and occupation that has caused it and it's getting worse. It's driving Iraqis insane. That's why we need to leave. The more we try to stamp out al-Qaeda, the more it spreads.

>>"God willing, she went to heaven," said the woman, whose son also was a suicide bomber in 2004. "She told me, 'Mom, I want to do it.' "<<

Again, no carrying out orders, just a sad, "Mom, I want to do it."

>>Authorities said that al Qaeda in Iraq actively is recruiting women and that increasing numbers of women are offering themselves up for missions.<<

Again--bull$hit. The ideology is spreading among women because they are the ultimate victims of the horror and hopelessness our invasion and occupation has thrust upon them. You know something is bull$hit when it says "Authorites said..." What authorities?? Whom?

>>The officials said the women are desperate and hopeless.<<

Bingo! THAT is how al-Qaeda spreads. Desperation and hopelessness are its recruiters and nothing more. The very statement should make an intelligent ask, "Desperation and hopelessness caused by what?" Caused by our invasion and occupation. We can't alleviate it except by leaving.

>>Most have pre-existing ties to the insurgency, and their main motive is revenge for a male family member killed by U.S. or Iraqi forces in the war, authorities said.<<

More bull$hit. They ALL have existing ties to the insurgency because they all belong to a sect of Islam and Islam is at war with iself in Iraq. Every Iraqi has ties to the insurgency. Every single one.

>>Hertling's troops in Diyala have launched operations targeting members of families of suspected female bombers trying to break up the rings that are recruiting the women and girls. The U.S. military said it has six females in custody who were would-be suicide bombers. The youngest is 14, one U.S. official said on condition of anonymity.<<

Guaranteed to increase the number of desperate, hopeless females and therefore the number of female bombers. It's shooting the horse to kill a fly that landed on it.

>>Intelligence gathered from detainees indicates that al Qaeda in Iraq is looking for women with three main characteristics: those who are illiterate, are deeply religious or have financial struggles because most likely they've lost the male head of the household.<<

We're hearing what we want to hear. The detainees have said no such thing unless under threat of torture or endless confinement. Once again, desperate, hopeless women are the most likely to fall into deep depression and adoopt the al-Qaeda ideology. There is no recruiting going on.

>>"They are also looking for someone who is young," Hertling said. "They will bypass an older widow."<<

It is simply the young who are most likely to adopt the ideology. They feel their young lives are already over.

>>Sheikh Adel Fahdawi, a Sunni leader, added, "If the woman's psychological state is bad, they try to lure her with the illusions that she will be going to heaven. ... All of them come from the families of terrorists, and they are being recruited and pressured."<<

Bull$hit. The woman accepts the ideology BECAUSE her psychological state is bad. That's all it is. That's all that's required. Any woman--no matter who it is--comes from a family of terrorists because every single Iraqi is tied to the insurgency.

>>A woman who went to the bomb scene expressed outrage that another female would carry out such an attack. <<

I don't believe for a second that she was outraged at the woman. She was outraged that women are being driven to this state.

>>"She was the person on the ground responsible for coordinating the final day or two of the attack," Capt. Michael Starz said. "[She] helped her prepare the device. ... She helped her affix it to her body."<<

Bull$hit. She was just another disaffected, depressed woman helping the other one to commit suicide. Everybody in Iraq knows how to build bombs. There was no centralized authority ordering this attack. These two simply planeed it on their own.

>>According to U.S. intelligence, al Qaeda in Iraq uses suicide missions carried out by women to pressure its male fighters to step up and offer themselves up for attacks.<<

Bull$hit. The males are already dying or rotting in detention. That's why these women are carrying out the attacks. Its either that or starve.

>>Classified documents given to CNN also indicate that the terrorist group is having increasing difficulty smuggling foreign fighters across the border from Syria after a recent military crackdown in the north.<<

If these documents are classified there is no way CNN could have them. The military had better find out who is handing out its classified documents because they are in serious breach of regulations and need to be arrested. Obviously, it's bull$hit. There never were that many foreign fighters. that's all a myth. Al-Qaeda in Iraq is homegrown and always has been.

>>The nationalities of most female bombers are unknown, but those identified in recent attacks are mainly Iraqi.<<

Quit bull$hitting. They're ALL Iraqis.

>>Females always have played a role in the insurgency in Iraq, helping feed militants, hiding them in their homes and helping sneak weapons around the country. They have proven to be highly effective in their operations as a result of the cultural convention that women are not to be searched.<<

Every single Iraqi plays a role in the insurgency because the insurgency is one in the same as "sectarian violence."

>>Against a backdrop of such suffering and violence, U.S. and Iraqi officials said they fear that even more Iraqi women will turn themselves into bombs.<<

A tiny hint of truth. As long as we are there, the al-Qaeda ideology lives because it is we who are causing this "backdrop of suffering and violence."
wadthehell2
Does she gets 14 virgin males?
cocacolamax
It's only tragic if the women are hot.

These Iraqi chicks probably never came across shaving razors and hid under burqas 24/7.
ClearBlueWater
QUOTE(wadthehell2 @ Jun 8 2008, 10:02 PM) [snapback]3744575[/snapback]
Does she gets 14 virgin males?

Dear god, who would want that? embarassedlaugh.gif
Nebuchadrezzar2
Jor, very interesting post. Well said although I can't say I agree with all of it. Would love to reply back to it now but have a meeting in about 10 minutes. But if I find time for it later I'll make sure to leave a reply. Peace.
Nebuchadrezzar2
QUOTE(cocacolamax @ Jun 9 2008, 04:06 AM) [snapback]3745420[/snapback]
It's only tragic if the women are hot.

These Iraqi chicks probably never came across shaving razors and hid under burqas 24/7.


You were blessed with ignorance during your birth.
baal
QUOTE(Jor @ Jun 8 2008, 06:58 PM) [snapback]3744564[/snapback]
....>>The nationalities of most female bombers are unknown, but those identified in recent attacks are mainly Iraqi.<<

Quit bull$hitting. They're ALL Iraqis.


Check it out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4488642.stm

When making an unequivocal argument absolute precision is required. Otherwise one is forced to backtrack in order to deal with inconvenient facts.
Jor
QUOTE(baal @ Jun 9 2008, 10:21 PM) [snapback]3746800[/snapback]
Check it out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4488642.stm

When making an unequivocal argument absolute precision is required. Otherwise one is forced to backtrack in order to deal with inconvenient facts.


No absolute precision is not required. There's always going to be anomalies and this is obviously an anomaly unless you can show that Europeans are sneaking into Iraq en masse. And, if we are perfectly honest here, we can't even be certain this story you posted is true, can we? We do know the media will print anything true, false or fabricated by their own reporters, don't we? Nor was this woman a part of any secret army. She's another unhappy, suicidal individual looking for some grand way to off herself. In that sense, she's no different than the native female suicide bombers. You can find anomalies anywhere you look but it does not change the fact that al-Qaeda in Iraq is homegrown among Iraqis who have lost everything in this war and carrying out bombings of their own design because there is no centralized command structure ordering these people to do anything. Otherwise, there would be no need for al-Qaeda bigwigs to release videos every so often to convey messages outside their immediate circles.

The secret foreign army in Iraq is a myth perpetuated by the Bush regime as an excuse to continue to have a military presence in Iraq. To admit it is sectarian violence is to admit that it has no military solution--that our military presence, in fact, exacerbates it. The mythical secret foreign fighter al-Qaeda army can be swelled or shrunk at will to show progress or the need to bring in more troops. Like everything in the Bush regime, it is a PR gimmick, a shell game.
baal
QUOTE(Jor @ Jun 10 2008, 12:31 PM) [snapback]3747890[/snapback]
No absolute precision is not required. There's always going to be anomalies and this is obviously an anomaly unless you can show that Europeans are sneaking into Iraq en masse. And, if we are perfectly honest here, we can't even be certain this story you posted is true, can we? We do know the media will print anything true, false or fabricated by their own reporters, don't we? Nor was this woman a part of any secret army. She's another unhappy, suicidal individual looking for some grand way to off herself. In that sense, she's no different than the native female suicide bombers. You can find anomalies anywhere you look but it does not change the fact that al-Qaeda in Iraq is homegrown among Iraqis who have lost everything in this war and carrying out bombings of their own design because there is no centralized command structure ordering these people to do anything. Otherwise, there would be no need for al-Qaeda bigwigs to release videos every so often to convey messages outside their immediate circles.

The secret foreign army in Iraq is a myth perpetuated by the Bush regime as an excuse to continue to have a military presence in Iraq. To admit it is sectarian violence is to admit that it has no military solution--that our military presence, in fact, exacerbates it. The mythical secret foreign fighter al-Qaeda army can be swelled or shrunk at will to show progress or the need to bring in more troops. Like everything in the Bush regime, it is a PR gimmick, a shell game.


My prior post did not address the substance of any of your contentions. My post pointed out a clear factual error. Nothing more. Making a factual misstatement allows someone who does disagree with you to divert and undercut your contentions. My prior post was in the nature of a "heads up." In anticipation of your appreciation, allow me to say "you're welcome."
ThePunisher
this is sick and absolutly load of crap.ppl in countries like iraq afghanstan and even in palestine needs 2 things:
1) something to live for.i mean they need jobs,money,in all an honorable free life.
2) other countries not intefering with thier buisniss.

otherwise we will see more of this $hit
baal
Palestinians do have something to live for. Killing Joos.
jrockerz
the problem is Al-qaeda is not iraqi
and they are not iraqi resistance.

its a top role to play with sectarian extremist.
extremist DO exist in this world, but not represent IRAQI.

iraqi resistance communique 2
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=O0rUrgIR4Pc

iraqi resistance communique 3 : hidden facts
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=kcfkb_9txpI

its interesting, they against Al qaeda
as well as before invasion, Al qaeda stay out of iraq.
ThePunisher
QUOTE(baal @ Jun 11 2008, 11:12 AM) [snapback]3749753[/snapback]
Palestinians do have something to live for. Killing Joos.


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kollision
I dont see this any different from what any military does. Im not saying I support this or anything, but seriously.
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