Hello.
I have observed that Koreans feel that they are Mongols who settled on the Korean peninsula many moons ago and evolved there own culture.
How do Mongols feel about this? Do you agree?
How close do you affiliate with other central asian people? It seems customary to call each other 'brother' but i have known some Hazara people in Afghanistan who claim to be decendants of Mongols as well. It seems everyone wants to be affiliated with Chingis Kahn and the Mongols.
Who do you Mongols consider to be decendants of you? Koreans? Afghan Hazara's?
What about Tajiks or Uzbeks? Kazaks? Turks? Do you consider them all wayward brothers who broke from the fold many years ago but originally came from the Mongol yolk?
What about people in your area like the Tibetans or Bhutanese. These people also share a similar culture to you and all 3 of youworship the Dalai Lama. Are they all offshots of Mongols?
What is the Mongolian opinion.
Full Version: Are Koreans Mongols?
Koreans are not Mongols. They are part of Zurchin ppl.=Eastern ppl. More close to Manchus.
Old times they were called "Solon Barga".
Old times they were called "Solon Barga".
QUOTE(Bor chono @ Jun 14 2008, 12:51 AM) 
Koreans are not Mongols. They are part of Zurchin ppl.=Eastern ppl. More close to Manchus.
Old times they were called "Solon Barga".
Old times they were called "Solon Barga".
What about Tajiks or Uzbeks. If my memory serves me correct there was a Khan called Uzbek Kahn when the mongols where rampaging around the world who was part of the Mongol war machine.
What about Hazara's from Wikipedia it says Hazara have tribes named after Mongol generals and 2/3rds have mongol gene the Y gene or something and they look about half chinese.
Any views on that?
what the hell are "mongols" MONGOLIANS? >.<
QUOTE(TheORC @ Jun 14 2008, 01:15 AM)
What about Tajiks or Uzbeks. If my memory serves me correct there was a Khan called Uzbek Kahn when the mongols where rampaging around the world who was part of the Mongol war machine.
What about Hazara's from Wikipedia it says Hazara have tribes named after Mongol generals and 2/3rds have mongol gene the Y gene or something and they look about half chinese.
Any views on that?
What about Hazara's from Wikipedia it says Hazara have tribes named after Mongol generals and 2/3rds have mongol gene the Y gene or something and they look about half chinese.
Any views on that?
Tajiks are Iranic (Persian), Uzbeks are Turks. Hazaras are descendants of the Mongol Empire, 2/3rds have mongol genes yes. They look Persian mixed with Mongol/Turk. Note that Altaic races, Mongolic and Turkic, may look similar to Sino (Chinese), but features are very different as shown below. As you are a foreigner, I guess it's easy for you to be mistaken. Look closely, and you will see general features are very different from each other.
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If I see something like this thread one more time in Mongol chat, I'm going to vomit. So sick and tired of it. Why can't people just understand the fact that Koreans are Koreans and Mongols are Mongols. I'm seriously starting to believe that 9 out of 10 Koreans think they're Mongolian, or wish they were. Goodness.
My Mongolian face is handsome 
^Yes, and they will get medieval on your @$$.
^ i liked your voice ..
Urban?
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I wouldn't go so far as to claim that Koreans are Mongols, but I do think that many Koreans resemble many Mongols quite closely.
They often share certain characteristics, such as a broad, flat, very round or very square face, with narrowly drawn eyes, huge cheeks/projecting cheekbones, and a relatively robust body build, but they are obviously different in some respects. One of the clear differences between Mongols and Koreans is that Mongols sometimes have light-colored eyes (e.g. blue eyes) and hair (e.g. brown or blondish hair), while Koreans always have dark eyes and dark hair.
In comparison to Mongols or Koreans, Chinese people tend to have narrower faces and larger, double-edged eyes. Also, Chinese people tend to have a rather gracile ("fine-boned" or however you want to describe it) constitution; they usually have a sort of "wimpy nerd look" instead of having the "chubby wrestler look" that is so common among Mongols and Koreans.
Typical Mongols:
Typical Koreans:
Typical Chinese:
I would love to hear other people's opinions about the similarities and differences between Mongolian and Korean looks.
They often share certain characteristics, such as a broad, flat, very round or very square face, with narrowly drawn eyes, huge cheeks/projecting cheekbones, and a relatively robust body build, but they are obviously different in some respects. One of the clear differences between Mongols and Koreans is that Mongols sometimes have light-colored eyes (e.g. blue eyes) and hair (e.g. brown or blondish hair), while Koreans always have dark eyes and dark hair.
In comparison to Mongols or Koreans, Chinese people tend to have narrower faces and larger, double-edged eyes. Also, Chinese people tend to have a rather gracile ("fine-boned" or however you want to describe it) constitution; they usually have a sort of "wimpy nerd look" instead of having the "chubby wrestler look" that is so common among Mongols and Koreans.
Typical Mongols:
Typical Koreans:
Typical Chinese:
I would love to hear other people's opinions about the similarities and differences between Mongolian and Korean looks.
genetic prove otherwise simple enough.
Let them be whoever they want to be.
Who cares where who people came from that far back? They are their own people, like I'm of my people now.
Their descent is probably similar to Mongols, but they definately are not Mongols.
QUOTE(Darkblade @ Jul 26 2008, 09:00 PM)
genetic prove otherwise simple enough.
Could you explain what genetic evidence says otherwise?
I was just looking up some stuff about koreans and mongols. Wikipedia research only but it says:
Koreans are believed to be descendents of Altaic-[7][8] or proto-Altaic[9]-speaking tribes, linking them with Mongolians, Tungusics, Turkics, and other Central Asians. Archaeological evidence suggest proto-Koreans were Altaic-language-speaking migrants from south-central Siberia,[10] who populated ancient Korea in successive waves from the neolithic age to the Bronze Age[11].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreans
I also read somewhere Koreans are decendants of Manchus as are some other races around Russia. And apparently Manchus are decendants of Mongols so it appears Koreans and Mongols are sonmething like cousins.
I was reading some stuff about Haplogroups but i read Haplogroups arnt the same for one group of people but even if they are supposedly Haplogroup 02b which is shared by the Daur of inner mongolia who are apparently the decendants of the Khitan.
The halpogroupsa re not the same for all members of a race, and there seems overlap of haplogroups for Koreans and Mongols, as well as other Tungus and Turk peoples.
The other major Northeast Asian Y-chromosome haplogroup, Haplogroup C3, is also found among the Tungusic, Korean, and Japanese peoples, as well as among the Mongolian peoples, Turkic peoples, and even the Ainu of Japan and the Na-Dené peoples of North America, but Haplogroup C3 displays a cline of frequency opposite to that of Haplogroup O2, to the effect that Haplogroup C3 is more frequent among the more northerly populations (Mongolian, Turkic, Northern Tungusic, Koryak, Nivkh, etc.), whereas Haplogroup O2 is more frequent among the more southerly populations (Southern Tungusic, Korean, and Japanese), and it is entirely absent from the Ainu and Na-Dené populations. The typically Sino-Tibetan and Southeast Asian Haplogroup O3 is also shared in common by most Tungusic, Mongolic, Turkic, Korean, and Japanese populations with various frequency and diversity values
I would say they are probably not the same but are 'cousins' just as turks, hungarians, manchus or mughals are.
QUOTE(roflmao25 @ Jul 26 2008, 09:15 PM)
Who cares where who people came from that far back? They are their own people, like I'm of my people now.
Agreed but its good to have this kind of dicussion to even out the bull$hit talk by UnholyMarch when he talka bout how Turkish and Hungarians and Mughals are cousins or brothers but then has this really negative opinon of all east asians and tries to 'prove' no one in east asia are brothers of mongols when its not true.
Although I'm with the previous poster, wiki isn't your best place to site things from especicaly on these subjects.
^ Wikipedia is actually very much reliable now. It's not a great place to cite, but it's information is correct and supported by other sources for much of the time.
I can still edit pretty much anything.
QUOTE(TTTVTTT @ Jul 26 2008, 10:29 PM)
Could you explain what genetic evidence says otherwise?
I was just looking up some stuff about koreans and mongols. Wikipedia research only but it says:
Koreans are believed to be descendents of Altaic-[7][8] or proto-Altaic[9]-speaking tribes, linking them with Mongolians, Tungusics, Turkics, and other Central Asians. Archaeological evidence suggest proto-Koreans were Altaic-language-speaking migrants from south-central Siberia,[10] who populated ancient Korea in successive waves from the neolithic age to the Bronze Age[11].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreans
I also read somewhere Koreans are decendants of Manchus as are some other races around Russia. And apparently Manchus are decendants of Mongols so it appears Koreans and Mongols are sonmething like cousins.
I was reading some stuff about Haplogroups but i read Haplogroups arnt the same for one group of people but even if they are supposedly Haplogroup 02b which is shared by the Daur of inner mongolia who are apparently the decendants of the Khitan.
The halpogroupsa re not the same for all members of a race, and there seems overlap of haplogroups for Koreans and Mongols, as well as other Tungus and Turk peoples.
The other major Northeast Asian Y-chromosome haplogroup, Haplogroup C3, is also found among the Tungusic, Korean, and Japanese peoples, as well as among the Mongolian peoples, Turkic peoples, and even the Ainu of Japan and the Na-Dené peoples of North America, but Haplogroup C3 displays a cline of frequency opposite to that of Haplogroup O2, to the effect that Haplogroup C3 is more frequent among the more northerly populations (Mongolian, Turkic, Northern Tungusic, Koryak, Nivkh, etc.), whereas Haplogroup O2 is more frequent among the more southerly populations (Southern Tungusic, Korean, and Japanese), and it is entirely absent from the Ainu and Na-Dené populations. The typically Sino-Tibetan and Southeast Asian Haplogroup O3 is also shared in common by most Tungusic, Mongolic, Turkic, Korean, and Japanese populations with various frequency and diversity values
I would say they are probably not the same but are 'cousins' just as turks, hungarians, manchus or mughals are.
I was just looking up some stuff about koreans and mongols. Wikipedia research only but it says:
Koreans are believed to be descendents of Altaic-[7][8] or proto-Altaic[9]-speaking tribes, linking them with Mongolians, Tungusics, Turkics, and other Central Asians. Archaeological evidence suggest proto-Koreans were Altaic-language-speaking migrants from south-central Siberia,[10] who populated ancient Korea in successive waves from the neolithic age to the Bronze Age[11].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreans
I also read somewhere Koreans are decendants of Manchus as are some other races around Russia. And apparently Manchus are decendants of Mongols so it appears Koreans and Mongols are sonmething like cousins.
I was reading some stuff about Haplogroups but i read Haplogroups arnt the same for one group of people but even if they are supposedly Haplogroup 02b which is shared by the Daur of inner mongolia who are apparently the decendants of the Khitan.
The halpogroupsa re not the same for all members of a race, and there seems overlap of haplogroups for Koreans and Mongols, as well as other Tungus and Turk peoples.
The other major Northeast Asian Y-chromosome haplogroup, Haplogroup C3, is also found among the Tungusic, Korean, and Japanese peoples, as well as among the Mongolian peoples, Turkic peoples, and even the Ainu of Japan and the Na-Dené peoples of North America, but Haplogroup C3 displays a cline of frequency opposite to that of Haplogroup O2, to the effect that Haplogroup C3 is more frequent among the more northerly populations (Mongolian, Turkic, Northern Tungusic, Koryak, Nivkh, etc.), whereas Haplogroup O2 is more frequent among the more southerly populations (Southern Tungusic, Korean, and Japanese), and it is entirely absent from the Ainu and Na-Dené populations. The typically Sino-Tibetan and Southeast Asian Haplogroup O3 is also shared in common by most Tungusic, Mongolic, Turkic, Korean, and Japanese populations with various frequency and diversity values
I would say they are probably not the same but are 'cousins' just as turks, hungarians, manchus or mughals are.
C3c subclad marker which exist in every nomadic steppe population doesnt exist in korean plus they have significant percentage of O3, O2b plus other DNA differentiating them from the heaviliy sinicized manchu and 'somewhat isolated' evenk.
C3c (M48, M77, M86) Typical of Northern Tungusic peoples, Kazakhs, Oirats, Kalmyks, and Outer Mongolians, with a moderate distribution among Southern Tungusic peoples, Inner Mongolians, Buryats, Tuvinians, Kyrgyz, Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Karakalpaks, and Tajiks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C3_(Y-DNA)
C3* indeed is very spread out just like O3*, but the subclade C3c that exist in every nomadic steppe people in high degree ceased to exist in Korean ~ pretty much shows that Korean have been there in the peninsula for long time separating them from other tungusic tribes. Turkic and Tungusic people have pretty much different DNA too, which explains why they look kinda different (kazakh/kyrgyz/yakut vs evenk/oroqen/xibe).
Its really clear that hungarian, turkish are whole different people than mongols and kazakh genetically, language DOES NOT EQUAL to genetics ~ it can be transferred and borrowed from one tribe to another tribe, I dont see a hindi claiming swedish as their cousin just because they are part of 'indo european family' which shows common ancestor the proto-indo-european people.
QUOTE(Darkblade @ Jul 26 2008, 10:03 PM)
C3c subclad marker which exist in every nomadic steppe population doesnt exist in korean plus they have significant percentage of O3, O2b plus other DNA differentiating them from the heaviliy sinicized manchu and 'somewhat isolated' evenk.
C3c (M48, M77, M86) Typical of Northern Tungusic peoples, Kazakhs, Oirats, Kalmyks, and Outer Mongolians, with a moderate distribution among Southern Tungusic peoples, Inner Mongolians, Buryats, Tuvinians, Kyrgyz, Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Karakalpaks, and Tajiks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C3_(Y-DNA)
C3* indeed is very spread out just like O3*, but the subclade C3c that exist in every nomadic steppe people in high degree ceased to exist in Korean ~ pretty much shows that Korean have been there in the peninsula for long time separating them from other tungusic tribes. Turkic and Tungusic people have pretty much different DNA too, which explains why they look kinda different (kazakh/kyrgyz/yakut vs evenk/oroqen/xibe).
Its really clear that hungarian, turkish are whole different people than mongols and kazakh genetically, language DOES NOT EQUAL to genetics ~ it can be transferred and borrowed from one tribe to another tribe, I dont see a hindi claiming swedish as their cousin just because they are part of 'indo european family' which shows common ancestor the proto-indo-european people.
C3c (M48, M77, M86) Typical of Northern Tungusic peoples, Kazakhs, Oirats, Kalmyks, and Outer Mongolians, with a moderate distribution among Southern Tungusic peoples, Inner Mongolians, Buryats, Tuvinians, Kyrgyz, Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Karakalpaks, and Tajiks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C3_(Y-DNA)
C3* indeed is very spread out just like O3*, but the subclade C3c that exist in every nomadic steppe people in high degree ceased to exist in Korean ~ pretty much shows that Korean have been there in the peninsula for long time separating them from other tungusic tribes. Turkic and Tungusic people have pretty much different DNA too, which explains why they look kinda different (kazakh/kyrgyz/yakut vs evenk/oroqen/xibe).
Its really clear that hungarian, turkish are whole different people than mongols and kazakh genetically, language DOES NOT EQUAL to genetics ~ it can be transferred and borrowed from one tribe to another tribe, I dont see a hindi claiming swedish as their cousin just because they are part of 'indo european family' which shows common ancestor the proto-indo-european people.
Yea its hard to imagine koreans as horse riding nomads. Still they do appear to be cousins from many moons ago like the Kazakhs or Turks. But who really cares.
koreans arent mongols you retard
koreans are koreans
koreans are koreans
Its funny how Koreans are always trying to link themselves with Mongolians, while Mongolians do not want jack $hit to do with Koreans. Mongols do not want anything to do with Koreans now please go away.
Mongolians are poor compared to Koreans, but the Mongols are a million times more respected throughout the whole world than koreans.
Mongolians are poor compared to Koreans, but the Mongols are a million times more respected throughout the whole world than koreans.
well its much better to be direct cousins to mongols than to chinese. thats for sure. lol
btw to the chinese trolls
no matter how much u plan, be sneaky about it, its obvious to everyone what u try to do. thats why everyone hates u. the real chinese inside is very visible and that cannot be hidden.
btw to the chinese trolls
no matter how much u plan, be sneaky about it, its obvious to everyone what u try to do. thats why everyone hates u. the real chinese inside is very visible and that cannot be hidden.
No, Koreans aren't Mongols.
The only Koreans who resemble Mongols are the ones with haplogroup C3 (unbranched form), which is common for Mongols as well. The other C3 (C3c branch) is the only other C3 that is typical of Mongols, Tungusic people and Kazakhs. So there are two forms of C3 that are common for Mongolians, some Turkic people and Tungusic people, and they are C3 (unbranched) and C3c.
When I go out, probably 1/5 Koreans look like Mongolians. Most Koreans are actually haplogroup O2b, which is of Manchurian origin.
And Hungarians, etc ARE related to Turkic people, and most Turkic people are related to Mongolians.It's actually funny to see Chinese posters trying to twist information to disprove connections between Koreans and the rest of the world.
How about we stop this nonsense about Koreans ARE Mongolians. Lets just admit, Koreans are distant relatives to Mongolians and Turkic tribes.
The only Koreans who resemble Mongols are the ones with haplogroup C3 (unbranched form), which is common for Mongols as well. The other C3 (C3c branch) is the only other C3 that is typical of Mongols, Tungusic people and Kazakhs. So there are two forms of C3 that are common for Mongolians, some Turkic people and Tungusic people, and they are C3 (unbranched) and C3c.
When I go out, probably 1/5 Koreans look like Mongolians. Most Koreans are actually haplogroup O2b, which is of Manchurian origin.
And Hungarians, etc ARE related to Turkic people, and most Turkic people are related to Mongolians.It's actually funny to see Chinese posters trying to twist information to disprove connections between Koreans and the rest of the world.
How about we stop this nonsense about Koreans ARE Mongolians. Lets just admit, Koreans are distant relatives to Mongolians and Turkic tribes.
QUOTE(huntermoguh @ Jul 27 2008, 05:16 AM)
No, Koreans aren't Mongols.
The only Koreans who resemble Mongols are the ones with haplogroup C3 (unbranched form), which is common for Mongols as well. The other C3 (C3c branch) is the only other C3 that is typical of Mongols, Tungusic people and Kazakhs. So there are two forms of C3 that are common for Mongolians, some Turkic people and Tungusic people, and they are C3 (unbranched) and C3c.
When I go out, probably 1/5 Koreans look like Mongolians. Most Koreans are actually haplogroup O2b, which is of Manchurian origin.
And Hungarians, etc ARE related to Turkic people, and most Turkic people are related to Mongolians.It's actually funny to see Chinese posters trying to twist information to disprove connections between Koreans and the rest of the world.
How about we stop this nonsense about Koreans ARE Mongolians. Lets just admit, Koreans are distant relatives to Mongolians and Turkic tribes.
The only Koreans who resemble Mongols are the ones with haplogroup C3 (unbranched form), which is common for Mongols as well. The other C3 (C3c branch) is the only other C3 that is typical of Mongols, Tungusic people and Kazakhs. So there are two forms of C3 that are common for Mongolians, some Turkic people and Tungusic people, and they are C3 (unbranched) and C3c.
When I go out, probably 1/5 Koreans look like Mongolians. Most Koreans are actually haplogroup O2b, which is of Manchurian origin.
And Hungarians, etc ARE related to Turkic people, and most Turkic people are related to Mongolians.It's actually funny to see Chinese posters trying to twist information to disprove connections between Koreans and the rest of the world.
How about we stop this nonsense about Koreans ARE Mongolians. Lets just admit, Koreans are distant relatives to Mongolians and Turkic tribes.
Hey i agree with you but lets be objective here. If you want Hungarians to be with Mongols then im sorry but u are just a white loving cok sucker. yeap u wanna know why?
Hunarians related by Turk. Turk related to Mongol.
Korean, related by Manchu. Manchu related to Mongol.
You see you accept one but do not accept the other one Why? I was confused myself until i rea;lised how many people on this mongol chat hate east asians but love white women and love turkish people who lok euro or arab.
TO those people (unholymarch) u r not real mongols. Not mentally and prob not genetically. You are white worhsipping mongol wannabes. So please if u wanna talk about mongol brothers yea maybe there are mongol brothers to the west (as u so desperatley want to be connected with) But there are mongol brothers to the east too.
Your mentality is pathetic. U r no mongol.
We have brothers in the east as well as the west. But mongol is mongol. Not Kalymk (who are decendants of manchu just like korean)
fu-king $hit, no wonder this chat is dead.
Koreans arnt Mongolians nor do Koreans claim to be Mongolians. 99% of Koreans dont even know what a Mongolian is other then Genghis Kahn. Most Koreans have probably never met a Mongolian in their life. If you call a Korean a Mongol they will look at you funny. And to any of you Mongolians out there. Please dont flatter yourself. Koreans do not want to be Mongolians.
Koreans= Koreans
Mongolians= Mongolians
Genetic tests prove that Koreans and Mongols are very distinct. The topic creator probably isnt even Korean. Hes most likely this troll in K-chat who keeps on re-appearing after getting banned. Hes the same guy whos been creating all these Koreans = Mongols topic.
Koreans= Koreans
Mongolians= Mongolians
Genetic tests prove that Koreans and Mongols are very distinct. The topic creator probably isnt even Korean. Hes most likely this troll in K-chat who keeps on re-appearing after getting banned. Hes the same guy whos been creating all these Koreans = Mongols topic.
hungarians are so distanced from their original magyar central asian ancestors that they can hardly be linked to the altaic family anymore. besides the magyars were actually more like finno-ugric, related to the ancient finns and lapps around the ural mountains. modern hungarians most likely have more slavic or central european blood than asiatic, since the original invaders died out or were chased off, and the rest integrated with native people.
the turkic family is pretty diverse and widespread nowdays. the ones in turkey went through alot of changes and mixing from the original central asian turks, but ones in uzbekistan and kazakhstan are closer to mongolians.
maybe manchus, koreans, and japanese are distantly related, i dunno. i think one time i saw a youtube vid about japanese-hungarian friendship or unity or something. that's a bit of a stretch if they're trying to ethnically connect the two groups
the turkic family is pretty diverse and widespread nowdays. the ones in turkey went through alot of changes and mixing from the original central asian turks, but ones in uzbekistan and kazakhstan are closer to mongolians.
maybe manchus, koreans, and japanese are distantly related, i dunno. i think one time i saw a youtube vid about japanese-hungarian friendship or unity or something. that's a bit of a stretch if they're trying to ethnically connect the two groups
I believe that Koreans are distant relatives of the Mongols. I think Koreans are closer to Mongols and the Manchus of Northeastern China than any other East Asian ethnic group.
I also find Shamanism culture to be very similar between Korea and that of Mongolia. I don't think Japan or China has much of Shamanism in their culture.
Some Koreans also look very similar to Mongolian people. Like they have high cheekbones, etc.
I also find Shamanism culture to be very similar between Korea and that of Mongolia. I don't think Japan or China has much of Shamanism in their culture.
Some Koreans also look very similar to Mongolian people. Like they have high cheekbones, etc.
QUOTE(KoreanaHoosierHahkseng @ Jul 27 2008, 07:27 PM)
I believe that Koreans are distant relatives of the Mongols. I think Koreans are closer to Mongols and the Manchus of Northeastern China than any other East Asian ethnic group.
I also find Shamanism culture to be very similar between Korea and that of Mongolia. I don't think Japan or China has much of Shamanism in their culture.
Some Koreans also look very similar to Mongolian people. Like they have high cheekbones, etc.
I also find Shamanism culture to be very similar between Korea and that of Mongolia. I don't think Japan or China has much of Shamanism in their culture.
Some Koreans also look very similar to Mongolian people. Like they have high cheekbones, etc.
I think genetics studies shows that koreans and japanese are the closest east asian group, but hey what do I know
btw chinese daoism is some kind of enlightened shamanism, and shinto is also enlightened half animism half shamanism.
QUOTE(Darkblade @ Jul 27 2008, 05:00 PM)
I think genetics studies shows that koreans and japanese are the closest east asian group, but hey what do I know
btw chinese daoism is some kind of enlightened shamanism, and shinto is also enlightened half animism half shamanism.
btw chinese daoism is some kind of enlightened shamanism, and shinto is also enlightened half animism half shamanism.
You might be a bit too naive, I am afraid.
The claims of those genetics studies should be taken with a grain of salt, especially if they are financed by an organization or conducted by researchers affiliated with the populations in question (Japanese, Koreans, Mongols, etc.). It's funny that geneticists are trying to claim that Koreans are most closely related to the Japanese, despite the fact that all other anthropological research would suggest that Koreans are most closely related to Mongols and Manchus.
In any case, the genetic findings should only be considered as one new piece of anthropological evidence, and they should not be relied upon to the exclusion of the volumes of evidence that have been obtained through other forms of anthropological study.
QUOTE(TooLate2Apologize @ Jul 27 2008, 03:45 AM)
Its funny how Koreans are always trying to link themselves with Mongolians, while Mongolians do not want jack $hit to do with Koreans. Mongols do not want anything to do with Koreans now please go away.
Mongolians are poor compared to Koreans, but the Mongols are a million times more respected throughout the whole world than koreans.
Mongolians are poor compared to Koreans, but the Mongols are a million times more respected throughout the whole world than koreans.
Hahahaha you wish
QUOTE(Darkblade @ Jul 27 2008, 07:00 PM)
I think genetics studies shows that koreans and japanese are the closest east asian group, but hey what do I know
btw chinese daoism is some kind of enlightened shamanism, and shinto is also enlightened half animism half shamanism.
btw chinese daoism is some kind of enlightened shamanism, and shinto is also enlightened half animism half shamanism.
With all this talk of Haplogroups, this is something you might want to have a peek at.
It says Koreans have haplogroup c3 and o2. They seem related to the mongols to some extent. Mongols usually have c3 and koreans usually have o2 but the daur of mongolia have o2 as well and koreans have c3, just not as much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2_(Y-DNA)
Manchus came from the mongols according to wikipedia. Apparently Jurchen stock (whatever that means).
http://www.mongabay.com/indigenous_ethnici...ian/Manchu.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu
The Koreans are brothers of Manchu they are closely related apparetly. They both believe a place called somewhere in North Korea is the birthplace of there people. I dont remember the name Gganjang or something. Japanese dont believe this. I cant find the link now but im sure a manchu or korean can elaborate.
All 3 are tungistic or whatever. Koreans seem to be just another tribe of those altaic peoples. I dont know if they are mongols though, prob just another tribe like the Jurchen or tartars or whatever who settled down and became sedentary. They physically are larger like the people from that region as well. So yea.
i always thought it was the chinese people who had rounder faces and japanese had longer ones. maybe i got it mixed up, but from what i saw this seemed to be true
QUOTE(dude543 @ Jul 27 2008, 08:48 PM)
i always thought it was the chinese people who had rounder faces and japanese had longer ones. maybe i got it mixed up, but from what i saw this seemed to be true
I think your observation is correct, if you are comparing Chinese people and Japanese people.
However, here we are considering the Koreans and the Mongols, and, tangentially, any outgroup (e.g. the Chinese) with which the Koreans and Mongols may be compared in order to establish whether they are more closely related to each other than either is related to the outgroup.
In general, I would say the order goes Mongol > Korean > Chinese > Japanese from broadest, most "featureless" face to narrowest, most "sculpted" face. This is why I was saying before that, in comparison to Mongols and Koreans, Chinese tend to have narrower faces and larger, double-edged eyes.
QUOTE(Huanglong @ Jul 28 2008, 10:06 AM)
I think your observation is correct, if you are comparing Chinese people and Japanese people.
However, here we are considering the Koreans and the Mongols, and, tangentially, any outgroup (e.g. the Chinese) with which the Koreans and Mongols may be compared in order to establish whether they are more closely related to each other than either is related to the outgroup.
In general, I would say the order goes Mongol > Korean > Chinese > Japanese from broadest, most "featureless" face to narrowest, most "sculpted" face. This is why I was saying before that, in comparison to Mongols and Koreans, Chinese tend to have narrower faces and larger, double-edged eyes.
However, here we are considering the Koreans and the Mongols, and, tangentially, any outgroup (e.g. the Chinese) with which the Koreans and Mongols may be compared in order to establish whether they are more closely related to each other than either is related to the outgroup.
In general, I would say the order goes Mongol > Korean > Chinese > Japanese from broadest, most "featureless" face to narrowest, most "sculpted" face. This is why I was saying before that, in comparison to Mongols and Koreans, Chinese tend to have narrower faces and larger, double-edged eyes.
WTF is double-edged eyes ??????
QUOTE(DontFoolYourselves @ Jul 27 2008, 02:18 AM)
well its much better to be direct cousins to mongols than to chinese. thats for sure. lol
btw to the chinese trolls
no matter how much u plan, be sneaky about it, its obvious to everyone what u try to do. thats why everyone hates u. the real chinese inside is very visible and that cannot be hidden.
btw to the chinese trolls
no matter how much u plan, be sneaky about it, its obvious to everyone what u try to do. thats why everyone hates u. the real chinese inside is very visible and that cannot be hidden.
You're a loser. Who would want to be direct cousins to sheep-herding people of the 21st century compared to the Chinese?
Anyone with any good bit of common sense.
QUOTE(chymali @ Jul 29 2008, 02:40 PM)
You're a loser. Who would want to be direct cousins to sheep-herding people of the 21st century compared to the Chinese?
personal preference? im all for it too as well lol.
Yes because the intellectuals that are the chinese find it easier to hate online and be completely illogical than to stay out of affairs that aren't theirs.
are you new to the internet? everybody hates online. but of course to people like you only Chinese would.
but im actually fine with that LOL. and i dont even care if dude wants to relate to water buffalos.
everybody hates online. but of course to people like you only Chinese would.but im actually fine with that LOL. and i dont even care if dude wants to relate to water buffalos.
On this forum? Yes only Chinese would, seems like the nationalists as I've said, key word nationalists, are the ones going into other chats to disrupt them with their hate mongering.
QUOTE(roflmao25 @ Jul 29 2008, 11:22 AM)
Yes because the intellectuals that are the chinese find it easier to hate online and be completely illogical than to stay out of affairs that aren't theirs.
I didn't add hate. You did.
i responded to post 44. wheres "nationalists" :/
and what are you talking about. Chinese chat had INVISIBLE SKY f@g!!!
this man had a BLOG SITE dedicated to trashing China and Chinese nationalists. i jacked his pic LOL. hes an old white man. thats for jks though, not really relevant.
and what are you talking about. Chinese chat had INVISIBLE SKY f@g!!!
this man had a BLOG SITE dedicated to trashing China and Chinese nationalists. i jacked his pic LOL. hes an old white man. thats for jks though, not really relevant.
Nope, I did not I'm in my own section minding my own business, and where are you? Oh yeah another ethnic chat that isn't yours spreading your own hate.
Who said I wasn't Mongolian?
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