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hawaiian culture with a spanish twist and a hint of chinese flavour.

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QUOTE(P. Bredahl @ Jun 16 2008, 12:24 AM) [snapback]3757348[/snapback]





fu-k being Filipino! embarassedlaugh.gif
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loooooooooooooool 5 star thread
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QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Jun 16 2008, 03:54 AM) [snapback]3757376[/snapback]


hey, what movie is that???... lol... looks very funny and interesting...
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Diz waz meant to be a cerius thread..
Torete_ako_sa_yo
By Carlos P. Romulo

I am a Filipino - inheritor of a glorious past, hostage to the uncertain future. As such I must prove equal to a two-fold task- the task of meeting my responsibility to the past, and the task of performing my obligation to the future. I sprung from a hardy race - child of many generations removed of ancient Malayan pioneers. Across the centuries, the memory comes rushing back to me: of brown-skinned men putting out to sea in ships that were as frail as their hearts were stout. Over the sea I see them come, borne upon the billowing wave and the whistling wind, carried upon the mighty swell of hope- hope in the free abundance of new land that was to be their home and their children's forever.

This is the land they sought and found. Every inch of shore that their eyes first set upon, every hill and mountain that beckoned to them with a green and purple invitation, every mile of rolling plain that their view encompassed, every river and lake that promise a plentiful living and the fruitfulness of commerce, is a hollowed spot to me.

By the strength of their hearts and hands, by every right of law, human and divine, this land and all the appurtenances thereof - the black and fertile soil, the seas and lakes and rivers teeming with fish, the forests with their inexhaustible wealth in wild life and timber, the mountains with their bowels swollen with minerals - the whole of this rich and happy land has been, for centuries without number, the land of my fathers. This land I received in trust from them and in trust will pass it to my children, and so on until the world no more.

I am a Filipino. In my blood runs the immortal seed of heroes - seed that flowered down the centuries in deeds of courage and defiance. In my veins yet pulses the same hot blood that sent Lapulapu to battle against the alien foe that drove Diego Silang and Dagohoy into rebellion against the foreign oppressor.

That seed is immortal. It is the self-same seed that flowered in the heart of Jose Rizal that morning in Bagumbayan when a volley of shots put an end to all that was mortal of him and made his spirit deathless forever; the same that flowered in the hearts of Bonifacio in Balintawak, of Gergorio del Pilar at Tirad Pass, of Antonio Luna at Calumpit; that bloomed in flowers of frustration in the sad heart of Emilio Aguinaldo at Palanan, and yet burst fourth royally again in the proud heart of Manuel L. Quezon when he stood at last on the threshold of ancient Malacañang Palace, in the symbolic act of possession and racial vindication.

The seed I bear within me is an immortal seed. It is the mark of my manhood, the symbol of dignity as a human being. Like the seeds that were once buried in the tomb of Tutankhamen many thousand years ago, it shall grow and flower and bear fruit again. It is the insigne of my race, and my generation is but a stage in the unending search of my people for freedom and happiness.

I am a Filipino, child of the marriage of the East and the West. The East, with its languor and mysticism, its passivity and endurance, was my mother, and my sire was the West that came thundering across the seas with the Cross and Sword and the Machine. I am of the East, an eager participant in its struggles for liberation from the imperialist yoke. But I also know that the East must awake from its centuried sleep, shape of the lethargy that has bound his limbs, and start moving where destiny awaits.

For, I, too, am of the West, and the vigorous peoples of the West have destroyed forever the peace and quiet that once were ours. I can no longer live, being apart from those world now trembles to the roar of bomb and cannon shot. For no man and no nation is an island, but a part of the main, there is no longer any East and West - only individuals and nations making those momentous choices that are hinges upon which history resolves.

At the vanguard of progress in this part of the world I stand - a forlorn figure in the eyes of some, but not one defeated and lost. For through the thick, interlacing branches of habit and custom above me I have seen the light of the sun, and I know that it is good. I have seen the light of justice and equality and freedom and my heart has been lifted by the vision of democracy, and I shall not rest until my land and my people shall have been blessed by these, beyond the power of any man or nation to subvert or destroy.

I am a Filipino, and this is my inheritance. What pledge shall I give that I may prove worthy of my inheritance? I shall give the pledge that has come ringing down the corridors of the centuries, and it shall be compounded of the joyous cries of my Malayan forebears when they first saw the contours of this land loom before their eyes, of the battle cries that have resounded in every field of combat from Mactan to Tirad pass, of the voices of my people when they sing:

Land of the Morning,Child of the sun returning…Ne'er shall invadersTrample thy sacred shore.

Out of the lush green of these seven thousand isles, out of the heartstrings of sixteen million people all vibrating to one song, I shall weave the mighty fabric of my pledge. Out of the songs of the farmers at sunrise when they go to labor in the fields; out of the sweat of the hard-bitten pioneers in Mal-ig and Koronadal; out of the silent endurance of stevedores at the piers and the ominous grumbling of peasants Pampanga; out of the first cries of babies newly born and the lullabies that mothers sing; out of the crashing of gears and the whine of turbines in the factories; out of the crunch of ploughs upturning the earth; out of the limitless patience of teachers in the classrooms and doctors in the clinics; out of the tramp of soldiers marching, I shall make the pattern of my pledge:

"I am a Filipino born of freedom and I shall not rest until freedom shall have been added unto my inheritance - for myself and my children's children - forever.
Selkies
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jun 17 2008, 07:58 AM) [snapback]3758397[/snapback]
inheritor of a glorious past


I think we never had a glorious past or anything glorious at all, that why is why we are easily attracted to other cultures because don't have anything great in ours, and our hereos are all failures in their own quest. In our entire history and culture we have no conception of what is being great so i think it is up to us people of today's generation and future generation to make an example of what is glorious and great. beerchug.gif
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QUOTE(Iki @ Jun 16 2008, 02:31 PM) [snapback]3758122[/snapback]
hey, what movie is that???... lol... looks very funny and interesting...

I think its Impossible Kid or For Your Height Only but he has an MTV.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oPlfzFZGl0o&feature=related
Torete_ako_sa_yo
QUOTE(Selkies @ Jun 16 2008, 08:44 PM) [snapback]3758536[/snapback]
I think we never had a glorious past or anything glorious at all, that why is why we are easily attracted to other cultures because don't have anything great in ours, and our hereos are all failures in their own quest. In our entire history and culture we have no conception of what is being great so i think it is up to us people of today's generation and future generation to make an example of what is glorious and great. beerchug.gif

I disagree, I think our Heroes, though their destinies thwarted, were great. You don't need victory to have bravery and honor.
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QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jun 17 2008, 12:00 PM) [snapback]3758763[/snapback]
I disagree, I think our Heroes, though their destinies thwarted, were great. You don't need victory to have bravery and honor.


yep, they were brave their courage is incredible and people like them are rare in our society and they failed just as today we are failing to fight the corruption and ignorance in our country because people don't have any true inspiration or sense of pride look up to in our history and give them the will and our heroes they never got the adequate support from their people most of them were betrayed by their own and the people just don't care they don't have a vision, courage and the spirit to overthrow the colonizer that kept us occupied for 400 years, spain was already a crumbling nation in the start of 19th century yet they occupied us for another 100years and it took the americans to finally kick them out and then after that we were still not free americans occupied us. I still think greatest part of filipino history is still being written by the presnent generation it is up for the present generation to give the future generation a definition of what is greatness and glorious that are forefather and heroes can only dream of. beerchug.gif
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QUOTE(ham_let @ Jun 16 2008, 05:24 PM) [snapback]3757181[/snapback]
hawaiian culture with a spanish twist and a hint of chinese flavour.

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no wonder why some filopinos don't look asians to me. lol

QUOTE(P. Bredahl @ Jun 16 2008, 07:24 PM) [snapback]3757348[/snapback]

those guys are f*ckin' sexy! lol
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QUOTE(BrooklynCarter @ Jun 17 2008, 02:47 AM) [snapback]3758839[/snapback]
no wonder why some filopinos don't look asians to me. lol
those guys are f*ckin' sexy! lol

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QUOTE(Selkies @ Jun 16 2008, 11:44 PM) [snapback]3758834[/snapback]
yep, they were brave their courage is incredible and people like them are rare in our society and they failed just as today we are failing to fight the corruption and ignorance in our country because people don't have any true inspiration or sense of pride look up to in our history and give them the will and our heroes they never got the adequate support from their people most of them were betrayed by their own and the people just don't care they don't have a vision, courage and the spirit to overthrow the colonizer that kept us occupied for 400 years, spain was already a crumbling nation in the start of 19th century yet they occupied us for another 100years and it took the americans to finally kick them out and then after that we were still not free americans occupied us. I still think greatest part of filipino history is still being written by the presnent generation it is up for the present generation to give the future generation a definition of what is greatness and glorious that are forefather and heroes can only dream of. beerchug.gif

Your wrong about the Americans kicking the Spaniards out. Read more on the revolution. The only place the American's took was Intramuros where they spear headed their conquest. Wrongly blaming Filipinos for starting the war, to justify their invasion.

Filipinos kicked the Spaniards out, in every part of the country, they were stuck in Intramuros because Admiral Dewey ordered Aguinaldo not to cease the fortress city. In good faith, Aguinaldo agreed not to attack Intramuros but rather surrounded it. We were in the verge of kicking the Spanish out. Then the Spaniards decided to make a deal, relinquishing control of Puerto Rico, Cuba, Guam, and the Philippines. The Americans took Intramuros, the war was over.

The Senate of the United States were about to decide whether to annex the Philippines, and most of the Senators were against the idea.
However, 2 days before the vote, a fight broke out between American and Filipino forces, and the American media blamed it on the savage Filipinos. And so, thus the invasion of the Philippines by the United States commenced.

Before the Americans landed however, different Republics in different parts of the Philippines already declared independence from Spain. America wrongfully subjugated those republics as well.

More Filipinos died fighting America, than fighting Spain. Had America not intervened, we would have kicked out the Spanish eventually, especially since they were decaying into civil war. But despite being invaded I still believe that the war against America created some of our greatest heroes who embody the Filipino spirit.
Selkies
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jun 17 2008, 12:57 PM) [snapback]3758859[/snapback]
Your wrong about the Americans kicking the Spaniards out. Read more on the revolution. The only place the American's took was Intramuros where they spear headed their conquest. Wrongly blaming Filipinos for starting the war, to justify their invasion.

Filipinos kicked the Spaniards out, in every part of the country, they were stuck in Intramuros because Admiral Dewey ordered Aguinaldo not to cease the fortress city. In good faith, Aguinaldo agreed not to attack Intramuros but rather surrounded it. We were in the verge of kicking the Spanish out. Then the Spaniards decided to make a deal, relinquishing control of Puerto Rico, Cuba, Guam, and the Philippines. The Americans took Intramuros, the war was over.

The Senate of the United States were about to decide whether to annex the Philippines, and most of the Senators were against the idea.
However, 2 days before the vote, a fight broke out between American and Filipino forces, and the American media blamed it on the savage Filipinos. And so, thus the invasion of the Philippines by the United States commenced.

Before the Americans landed however, different Republics in different parts of the Philippines already declared independence from Spain. America wrongfully subjugated those republics as well.

More Filipinos died fighting America, than fighting Spain. Had America not intervened, we would have kicked out the Spanish eventually, especially since they were decaying into civil war. But despite being invaded I still believe that the war against America created some of our greatest heroes who embody the Filipino spirit.


So eventually we would have kicked the spaniards out ok but anyway spain still mangedto sell us they sold a nation that should have been independent. We should have kicked the spaniards long time ago, spain was very weak in the start of the 19th century specially when napoleon invaded spain. If we have kicked the spanish out earlier before the americans arrive and given time like 15-30 years to develop our economy upgrade our military plus we are being led by patriotic leaders in a patriotic die hard generation the americans would have no chance to occupy our country just like what happened in japan.

I know many fought bravely against america, we fought with little equipment, limited amunition and weapon, we resorted to guerilla warfare and they have a hardtime fighting us and in retaliation they massacred entire towns and villages suspected of resistance and it was like mass genocide done by a country that is suppose to be the symbol of liberty and freedom.
There were many who accepted and readily welcomed the amercians as the new occupiers and masters but those who fought for our freedom were bought into submission because of use of extreme terror more worse and savage than the spaniards it complety stunned even the most patriotic of our people.
felltohell
QUOTE(Selkies @ Jun 16 2008, 08:44 PM) [snapback]3758536[/snapback]
I think we never had a glorious past or anything glorious at all, that why is why we are easily attracted to other cultures because don't have anything great in ours, and our hereos are all failures in their own quest. In our entire history and culture we have no conception of what is being great so i think it is up to us people of today's generation and future generation to make an example of what is glorious and great. beerchug.gif

if you are really serious and determined to be one of today's generation who will bring this country a glorious future, by now, you should have seen some really good things about our country to be proud of...
we are rich in history and culture my man... we just need to cultivate them...
not having anything great in a country is like saying that the Philippines is a "Tabula rasa"
Torete_ako_sa_yo
QUOTE(Selkies @ Jun 17 2008, 02:44 AM) [snapback]3759089[/snapback]
So eventually we would have kicked the spaniards out ok but anyway spain still mangedto sell us they sold a nation that should have been independent. We should have kicked the spaniards long time ago, spain was very weak in the start of the 19th century specially when napoleon invaded spain. If we have kicked the spanish out earlier before the americans arrive and given time like 15-30 years to develop our economy upgrade our military plus we are being led by patriotic leaders in a patriotic die hard generation the americans would have no chance to occupy our country just like what happened in japan.

I know many fought bravely against america, we fought with little equipment, limited amunition and weapon, we resorted to guerilla warfare and they have a hardtime fighting us and in retaliation they massacred entire towns and villages suspected of resistance and it was like mass genocide done by a country that is suppose to be the symbol of liberty and freedom.
There were many who accepted and readily welcomed the amercians as the new occupiers and masters but those who fought for our freedom were bought into submission because of use of extreme terror more worse and savage than the spaniards it complety stunned even the most patriotic of our people.

The reason why Spain wasn't kicked out earlier is because we didn't have the technical skill to do so. It's was when rich Filipinos, like Jose Rizal, were able to go to Europe learn liberal ideas. When Spain implemented the public school system in the Philippines, which Aguinaldo and Mabini took advantage of, to further their careers, and better the lives of Filipinos, that we eventually realized that we could rule ourselves. Remember at this time, we didn't have a national identity. When one group gets out of hand, lets say Tagalogs, Bisaya or Ilocano troops were used to subjugate them.
It was when we realized that the Philippines was more than just a collection of islands and ethnic groups under Spain, but a possible Unified Multicultural Country, that we realized Spain was the common enemy.

I don't think the Philippines could have been governed properly if we didn't have Filipinos who were educated in Europe, and educated in the State Public School system, to spread liberal ideas and gain technical knowledge.

We have the luxury, my friend, of being educated. Filipinos in those times were not so lucky, and they would have never thought of the things we could think of today. They didn't have a good grasp of governance, world politics, military tactics and logistics, most Filipinos probably didn't even know where Japan were in those times. Most Filipinos probably couldn't imagine how self rule could work. And remember, the Catholic Church was a pacifying force to the masses.
Selkies
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jun 17 2008, 08:36 PM) [snapback]3759384[/snapback]
The reason why Spain wasn't kicked out earlier is because we didn't have the technical skill to do so. It's was when rich Filipinos, like Jose Rizal, were able to go to Europe learn liberal ideas. When Spain implemented the public school system in the Philippines, which Aguinaldo and Mabini took advantage of, to further their careers, and better the lives of Filipinos, that we eventually realized that we could rule ourselves. Remember at this time, we didn't have a national identity. When one group gets out of hand, lets say Tagalogs, Bisaya or Ilocano troops were used to subjugate them.
It was when we realized that the Philippines was more than just a collection of islands and ethnic groups under Spain, but a possible Unified Multicultural Country, that we realized Spain was the common enemy.

I don't think the Philippines could have been governed properly if we didn't have Filipinos who were educated in Europe, and educated in the State Public School system, to spread liberal ideas and gain technical knowledge.

We have the luxury, my friend, of being educated. Filipinos in those times were not so lucky, and they would have never thought of the things we could think of today. They didn't have a good grasp of governance, world politics, military tactics and logistics, most Filipinos probably didn't even know where Japan were in those times. Most Filipinos probably couldn't imagine how self rule could work. And remember, the Catholic Church was a pacifying force to the masses.



Some people don't need to learn liberal ideas and be educated to some just they sense it though they might not an detailed idea or a bigpicture what it is going on it just comes by instinct. Many native indian tribes resisted americans to the last man, lapu-lapu fought the very first spaniards and killed magellan he was not amzaed or frighten by these strange people and their cannons he did not accept their religion.
Most of us were simply too friendly and submissive to the spaniard because they something advaced and we thought of them as kind of superior beings and they took advantage of that we took on their religon. They controlled and manipulated the filiino psyche through their religion and it works even today through the catholic church, people just believe whatever is being told by the chruch no matter how stupid and ridicolous it is.
Torete_ako_sa_yo
QUOTE(Selkies @ Jun 17 2008, 08:17 AM) [snapback]3759423[/snapback]
Some people don't need to learn liberal ideas and be educated to some just they sense it though they might not an detailed idea or a bigpicture what it is going on it just comes by instinct. Many native indian tribes resisted americans to the last man, lapu-lapu fought the very first spaniards and killed magellan he was not amzaed or frighten by these strange people and their cannons he did not accept their religion.
Most of us were simply too friendly and submissive to the spaniard because they something advaced and we thought of them as kind of superior beings and they took advantage of that we took on their religon. They controlled and manipulated the filiino psyche through their religion and it works even today through the catholic church, people just believe whatever is being told by the chruch no matter how stupid and ridicolous it is.

Well, I agree that instincts do play a role. But remember the Sepoy Rebellion in India, the Boxer Rebellion and Opium wars in China, the countless revolutions in Africa, and the Native American resistance in the Americas. The Philippines has over 100 rebellions during the Spanish occupation, only two were successes - Francisco Dagohoy of Bohol, and the 1896 Katipunan Revolution. Dagohoy's revolt only lasted until his death at old age. The 1896 Revolution was the first revolution done by Nationalistic intellectuals.

The truth is that the Philippines was actually a moderately wealthy part of Asia under Spain. Rich Filipinos were able to fund the war effort, after realizing that there might be a chance to take the country from Spain.
That is why the Katipuneros were able to acquire advanced military equipment, have men like Antonio Luna who were militarily skilled, and have intellectuals like Mabini and Jacinto plan and manage properly the military government. The revolution was successful, we kicked the Spaniards out, not the Americans. The Americans were kinda like the French in their revolution - instrumental but not the main reason.

But history is the past. I still believe in our greatness. And I believe your right that our best moments are ahead of us. I just don't agree that we have nothing to be proud of in our young history. My History teacher in the Philippines used to teach in other nations, and he always said that the other Asian countries are always interested in the Filipino Revolutionary story, they believe its incredibly fascinating.
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