I'm glad the Bhs Indonesia book and the website were wrong. He seemed like an interesting man.

love this topic! thanks purnomor!

and Surena: From the name, I'm not quite sure your ancestor was Javanese. The Javanese did not use "Datuk" for anyone of royal blood, from what I know that's usually found in the Sumatra cultures.

And Pagaruyung is also a Sumatran kingdom, from the Minangkabau region.

Maybe purnomor can be of more help here...

Pur, can you re-post the missing links in the first post again? Would love to see the photos of the various sultanates! Thankx!

This legend is no joke. We were on a beach south of Jogjakarta - Parangtritis where the legend of that goddess is very alive and the waves on that beach had claimed several lives before. Someone was wearing green sandals on the sandy part of the beach, when all of a sudden, a freaky big wave rolled in out of the blue right to the spot he was standing on, and knocked him off his feet! The sea was trying to claim this guy as he struggled to get back on his feet and run off in the opposite direction!

We got so freaked out we left the beach quickly.. Parangtritis is quite a wierd beach, the sea gives this illusion that it always looked higher than the land somehow..

Dear Aishah,

he was given the title Datuk when he was residing in Brunei or Sarawak at that time.

But recently I have lead(though sketchy) of a someone by the name of Radin fatah or Patah or whatever.... Does that ring any bell to anyone? or the Demak Kingdom - does that even exist???

Surena

Raden Fatah, a half-Chinese, was the founder of Demak Kingdom, the first Muslim state on Java. He was also its first sultan from 1478 to 1508. Demak Kingdom itself disintegrated due to war of succession in late 1540s.

^^ ternyata dari dulu indo-chinese udh ada =.=

where did he get chinese blood from?

From his mother. Raden Fatah was also known as "Jin Bun", or the "powerful one".

Read here for more information on the large influence of Chinese Muslims in the spread of Islam in Java.

purnomor, hi, wonder if you know anything about Iskandar Zulkarnain or Alexander Hare? last seen in Bogor if I'm not mistaken

^ Alexander Hare is the Englishman who established settlement of Malays on Cocos Island (now an Australian territory), while Iskandar Zulkarnain is the Arabic name for Macedonian conqueror Alexander the Great.

There is never a Christian Kingdom In Indonesia.
Fisrt Kingdom in Indonesia was Hinduism, than Budhism & Muslim. Christians brought by Dutch & some Germans but most of the Christian are in North Sulawesi (city Manado) called Minahasan. Before the minahasan knew Christian they're another tribals who believe in God. Interesting (God for them was the one who created this world & it happened for the first time after the very big Flood thousands years BC.

If anyone whose Christian remember a few people (6) whose survived in NOAKH ARK according to a bible, well there're 2 only human in Minahasa whose survived called (TOAR & LUMIMUUT) Toar is a hansom male & Lumimuut is a beautifull female. They are the original minahasan which our great-great-great-great ++++ grandparents thousands years ago before Christ/Masehi. After that big Flood they've realise that there is GOD whom called OPO EMPUNG by Minahasan dialeg or TUHAN YANG MAHA AGUNG/ESA in Bahasa Indonesia. That's why the minahasan tribal was a very strong army & people. They will except something from foreign/outside minahasan if it is a good thing for them. They only got a few suburbs that time with they're own chief of the suburb.

Ternate Sultanate


Sultan Haji Mudzhaffar Shah II (crowned 1975), Sultan of Ternate - North Maluku. Unusally, his first wife is a Christian, Elizabeth Petronella "Nelly" Manoppo. The sultan is known for protecting his Christian subjects during communal disturbances in 1999-2000.


WOW!
He married Elizabeth Petronella "Nelly" Manoppo, she is a Minahasan woman.

Here they are together. I took this picture in the palace at Ternate last March. I also met an elder siter of the sultan, who spoke excellent Dutch and knew a lot about the local history.

I am trying to locate the grave of Alexander Hare. He died in Batavia so I heard. He was a traveller. Could be Scotish but he was also known by his Muslim name Iskandar. His time was about 1800-1900. Thank you.

Thank you for your speedy reply. He used to have his own currency in a place called Maluka, near Banjarmasin. You know of any articles or books that I could purchase or collect.

^ There was Alexander Hare who was the British resident of Banjarmasin during the British interregnum period (1811-1816). Later, after return of the Dutch, he unsuccessfully tried to establish his own kingdom in Banjarmasin.

There was also some other British adventurers who tried to established their own personal "kingdoms" in Bulungan (East Kalimantan) and Siak (Riau), but were all unsuccessful due to local and Dutch resistance. The only successful attempt was made by the British adventurer James Brooke, the "white rajah" who successfully established his own kingdom in Sarawak by stealing it from Brunei sultan. This white-run Sarawak kingdom lasted for 105 years, before being absorbed as British crown colony in 1946.

UPDATE:


The sultan of Deli, Lieutenant-Colonel Sultan Ottoman III Mahmud Ma'amun Padrap Perkasa Alam Syah was killed on a military aircraft accident in Aceh in 2005.

The current sultan of Deli is his 9-year-old son, Sri Sultan Mahmud Arfa Lamanjiji Perkasa 'Alam Shah. During his minority, the sultan reigned under the guardianship of his uncle Tengku Haji Hamdi.

I think I remember this news about the Deli King.

I don't recall any place named "Maluka" near Banjarmasin. And I'm from Banjarmasin.

I dont want to have "kesultanan" heritage, cos they were obsessed by metaphysics power thus they made pact with djinn. Those djinns have been following their son, daughter, so on until they died. Only few people dont possess Djinn in them.

What a scary thought u have there
Well, it's what the people choice. If the royalty really want to, they can get rid of the supernatural crap.
Btw, nice nick. Makes me hungry! Welcome t the forum, mate!

Thank you, it is good to see a wealth of Indo knowledge.
My father is from Baja, Indonesia. One of my ancestors i have been informed was a princess that married a dutch man. Her name was Sreima back in the early 1900's. She married Jacobus Dom. I suspect she may have lost her title after marrying an outsider unless that was not such a bad thing at the time of Dutch reign.
Does anyone have any information that may tie into her. I think she may have been from Medono, Indonesia. Thanks

What an interesting story. Maybe you could provide us with the name of her ethnicity and/or the name of her kingdom and/or the name of the island/the name of the place/the name of the city or town she was from? Maybe we could tell you a thing or two

My apologies as i dug up the information i do know about my family tree. This is all of the information i was given and unfortunately i do not know much more outside of what i was informed by my father stating she was a princess. From what kingdom...i do not know. There is limited information i have been given. I made an error she was from the 1700's not the 1900's...(i must have been tired when i was typing)
This is the beginning of a long family tree i have that stems from Sriema and Jacobus however i know little about her outside of her being Indonesian, a supposed princess and a native islander. Any help would be great...if possible. Thanks

All i know is the following:

1st generation
Sreima Medono married Jacobus Dom (date of birth or marriage unknown, likely mid 1700's) in Indonesia.

1. Pieter Dom (born Mar.2, 1802; Djocja, Indonesia. Died July.6,1880; Djocja, Indonesia)

2nd generation
Pieter Dom married Maria Johanna Weynschenk (born Jan.12,1810; Solo Indonesia. Died May.28, 1845; Djocja, Indonesia)

1. Arend Nicolaas DOM b: 1828
2. Johan Christiaan Dom b: 4 AUG 1832
3. Hendrik-Louis DOM b: 15 MAR 1837 d: 18 FEB 1891

The children listed were born in Djocja, Indonesia.

3rd Generation
Hendrick Louis Dom married Albertine Leotina Elizabeth Lammers (born 11 DEC 1846 died 20 JUL 1921) in Djocja, Indonesia

Hmm... still a bit blurry, but at least now we know that she was a Javanese, and from the look of it, she might have lived around Yogyakarta (Djocja).

It would help if we know her royal title, here are some examples from the Central Java's Kasunanan Surakarta Hadiningrat line for female royalty/aristocracy: Gusti Kanjeng Ratu (GKR), Kanjeng Bendara Raden Ayu (KBRAy), Gusti Raden Ajeng (GRA), Gusti Raden Ayu (GRAy), Bendara Raden Ajeng (BRA), Bendara Raden Ayu (BRAy), Ratu Alit, Raden Ajeng (RA), Raden Ayu (RAy), etc.

Knowing her title would make it easier to find her line, since different court in Java use different title. Marrying outside of royalty would make her lose the right to give titles to her children, but she herself would still have the right to use her title.

This has been a very interesting read. First time I've read something about 'Indonesian' history and their rulers.
Hope to read some more

That's debatable, I guess. Maybe there's not in North Sumatra, where pagan kingdom(s?) crumbled in advance of Christianity, and certainly not in Minahasa, where there were only "village/town republics" instead of kingdoms, and obviously not in Papua, but isn't it possible there were/are Christianized kingdoms, or at least some sort of duchies, in the Moluccas and in East Nusa Tenggara?


Where's Baja? There's Medono in Pekalongan, Central Java. If you were told that she's a princess, maybe she was from noble family which was ruling as regent/bupati around that area.

maybe BAJAnegara near Banten and also one in Jawa Timur?

Baja is in central Sulawesi according to google maps

The Royal BIG Wedding of Yogya Princess






ROYAL WEDDING: Nurkamnari Dewi (far left), third daughter of Yogyakarta’s Sultan Hamengku Buwono X, takes part in a bathing ceremony at the palace Thursday. Nurkamnari marry Raden Tumenggung Purbodiningrat . (JP/Tarko Sudiarno)


I tought being a Javanese princess, one have to follow strick diet of herbs (jamu) and took care of her body diligently....
This Yogya princess love pizza, and all that yummy stuff too much....



Owh whatta phat princess... (I wonder did Sultan and the Groom survive the "bopongan" ceremony)....

i thought indonesia dont have kings already. what are the kings function in indonesia nowadays??? are they rich? people still bow under them?

Indonesia as a whole nation never have a king as a ruler since we're proclaimed as a Republic right from the start (1945).
But regional provinces do have their own kings and sultans far older before the formation of the republic, even before Naetherlands colonialism.
Although now many former sultanates and kingdoms were ruled by Governor of each provinces, voted in democratic system by the people,
some sultanates and royal family still holds power and prestige over community.
The function of this royal houses usually as "Pemangku Adat" or The beholder of cultures and customs.
In Yogyakarta the Sultan functioned as Governor, and ruled in hereditary system just like kingdoms.

Many of former kingdoms were weaken or demise during VOC or Dutch rules, later their former territory being absorbed within Indonesian Republic. But some still holds important position within local community.

Maybe they're not as rich as the Sultans of Brunei and Malaysia, but the royal houses usually enjoy their living above average of common Indonesians.

Some people (regional royal loyalist) still honor and bow to them.... For example most of Yogyakarta people love their Sultan and royal family, even recent polling about regional leader election in Yogyakarta. The result is people of Yogyakarta refuse this new regional election and choose to retain their royal system of hereditary royal leader.

Sultan Aceh


1496-1528 Sultan Ali Mughayat Syah. Ayahanda daripada:
1528-1537 Sultan Salahuddin. Kakanda daripada :
1537-1568 Sultan Alauddin al Qahhar. Ayahanda daripada:
1568-1575 Sultan Husain Ali Riayat Syah. Ayahanda daripada:
1575 Sultan Muda
1575-1576 Sultan Sri Alam. ananda daripada Alauddin al Qahhar
1576-1577 Sultan Zainal Abidin 1576-1577. Cucu daripada Alauddin al Qahhar
1577-1589 Sultan Alauddin Mansur Syah Ibni Almarhum Sultan Mansur Syah I (Sultan Perak 1549-1577). Kakanda Sultan Ahmad Tajuddin Syah, Sultan Perak,
1589-1596 Sultan Buyong
1596-1604 Sultan Alauddin Riayat Syah. Grandson (via son) of a brother of the father of 1st Sultan Ali Mughayat Syah dan Ayahanda daripada:
1604-1607 Sultan Ali Riayat Syah
1590-27 Desember 1636 Sultan Iskandar Muda Johan Pahlawan Meukuta Alam. Cucu (dari anak perempuan) Alauddin Riayat Syah
1636-1641 Iskandar Thani Alauddin Mughayat Syah. Anak Sultan Pahang, Ahmad Syah II
1641-1675 Sri Ratu Safiatuddin Tajul Alam. Putri Iskandar Muda Johan Pahlawan Meukuta Alam dan janda Iskandar Thani Alauddin Mughayat Syah
1675-1678 Sri Ratu Naqiatuddin Nurul Alam
1678-1688 Sri Ratu Zaqiatuddin Inayat Syah
1688-1699 Sri Ratu Kamalat Syah Zinatuddin
1699-1702 Sultan Badrul Alam Syarif Hashim Jamaluddin
1702-1703 Sultan Perkasa Alam Syarif Lamtui
1703-1726 Sultan Jamal ul Alam Badrul Munir
1726 Sultan Jauhar ul Alam Aminuddin
1726-1727 Sultan Syamsul Alam
1727-1735 Sultan Alauddin Ahmad Syah
1735-1760 Sultan Alauddin Johan Syah
1750-1781 Sultan Mahmud Syah
1764-1785 Sultan Badruddin
1775-1781 Sulaiman Syah
1781-1795 Alauddin Muhammad Daud Syah
1795-1815 dan 1818-1824 Sultan Alauddin Jauhar ul Alam
1815-1818 Sultan Syarif Saif ul Alam
1824-1838 Sultan Muhammad Syah
1838-1857 Sultan Sulaiman Syah
1857-1870 Sultan Mansur Syah
1870-1874 Sultan Mahmud Syah
1874-1903 Sultan Muhammad Daud Syah



Gabenor


1945-1947 Teuku Nyak Arif
1947-1948 Teuku Daud Syah
1948-1951 Teungku Muhammad Daud Beureueh, Gabenor Militer
1951-1952 Danu Broto
1952-1953 Teuku Sulaiman Daud
1953-1955 Abdul Wahab
1955-1956 Abdul Razak
1957-1964 Prof Dr Ali Hasyimi
1964-1966 Nyak Adam Kamil
1966-1967 H Hasbi Wahidi
1967-1978 A Muzakir Walad
1978-1981 Prof A Madjid Ibrahim
1981-1986 Hadi Thayeb
1986-1993 Prof Dr Ibrahim Hassan
1993-21 Jun 2000 Prof Dr Syamsudin Mahmud
21 Jun 2000-November 2000 Ramli Ridwan, Pejabat Gubernur
November 2000-19 Julai 2004 Abdullah Puteh Nanggroe Aceh Darussalam, diberhentikan kerana kasus korupsi dan masuk penjara.
19 Julai 2004-30 Disember 2005 Azwar Abubakar Pejabat Gubernur; mengantikan Abdullah Puteh yang dipenjara 10 tahun karena kasus korupsi.
30 Disember 2005-8 Februari 2007 Mustafa Abubakar Pejabat Gubernur.
8 Februari 2007- Sekarang Drg. Irwandi Yusuf Gabenor terpilih dari jalur independen pasca MOU Helsinski

Ngaben Raja Ubud, Bali
The Cremation ceremony of Ubud King
15 July 2008

It was the largest, the most elaborate and extravagant cremation ceremony ever held in modern times.
I wish I seen it...



































Balinese royalties are beautiful, graceful and elegant aren't they....

Credit: more awesome picture from Prayasa Photography

^^^^

Very traditional indeed, Bali always made us staring in awe with its enchantments. I don't know that Bali still have their royalties exist. I am glad to know that traditional customs still being preserved in Bali and other parts of Indonesia.

Do you have any information about royalties in Palembang? I mean are they the descendants of Srivijaya Kingdom in Sumatera? How about the royalties in Pagar Ruyung? I heard that many of them had moved out from Sumatera to Tanah Melayu. One of the descendants is my friend, from Pagar Ruyung royalty. I had asked him, why don't they join up the royalties in Tanah Melayu, and he said that his grandpa had not been here in Tanah Melayu because of diplomatic trip but chased by Dutch because he had did something like killing or fighting a Dutch resident or official. They said that they still have their royal customs, like rubbing newborn baby feet with gold, special only for those whose paternal line is from Pagar Ruyung (Rawa) royal.

Well.., I don't know about the descendants of Srivijayan royalties, its was too old and way in the past. The records would be unavailable or scarce. Its difficult to trace the lineage. Even Majapahit that was younger than Srivijaya has obscure lineage in the end of the empire, both Javanese court and Balinese nobilities claim as the heir of this empire. Probably the same as Malacca that claim as the heir of Srivijaya.

However in Palembang there's found the ramnant of Palembang Sultanate. The most famous king was Sultan Badaruddin.

^ Interesting.....some peeps in Indo can rattle off a dozen of generations of their family’s lines way back, but most of us do not have this luxury.
I watched a TV doco about DNA testing on chromosome markers that can give some idea of your genetic lineages or roots and
also read an article that the Queens of England is related to Prophet Mohammed distantly because of the blood she shares with Spanish royalty.

Ya Mas Maja, wouldn’t it be interesting to know if you shares common royal bloodline with Mbah GajahMada too?

me turunan Nabi Adam

@Majj: the soldiers in yellow-green: they are from solo, dont they? I just wonder, if they are really from there, I found something curious: the color belongs to the MN principality, but the symbol on their headcaps showed Kasunanan sign. Am I right with my eyes? *FYI: the symbol color for MN called "pareanom" ("young rice" > hence yellow and green) and for PB called "gula kelapa" ("palm sugar" > white and red)*

I mean this picture.

Girl from the 2nd last pic look so sweet

She looks like a person with Indian descent and Mr. Kelantan is right, she is charming, yaye!!

Erh... I dunno...
The batik on the soldier uniform looks sogan Solo Javanese style too... and the logo looks Kasunanan... Probably you're right, there was Kasunanan Surakarta or Mangkunegaran link with this.
Perhaps Puri Ubud has similar logo? However its quite common in ancient kingdom and sultanates to have "foreign" mercenary work for the crown. In this case probably Balinese court has this kind of non-balinese unit, the Javanese legion. Since in Yogyakarta we can also finds the "Bugisan" unit whom I heard actuall were Bugis people.

I wouldn't be surprise if Balinese royalties may have some Indian blood too. Intermarried was often occured between India and ancient Nusantara since ancient times. However the rule of Varna (caste) was rather strict, nobles only married nobles, those from the caste of priest only married priest caste too.

In ancient times (Kediri, Singhasari, Majapahit, to Mataram) there was a title "Arya" which means "Noble" but actually might also indicate that the bearer of this name has Aryan blood in them. Usually they were mentioned to be "berhidung bangir" or have big nose (Iranian and Indian nose..?). Unlike small and rather flat nose of native Javanese-Balinese. Thus this title made them has this "political prestige" of bearing "pure" ancient Hindu nobilities origin, altough only few percent of their gene that actually Aryan.

Arya Wiraraja the regent of Sumenep (Madura) in Singhasari-Majapahit era also mentioned to have Aryan noble blood too. Later in ancient Hindu court of Java and Bali, "Arya" become more like a title that means "noble". And now some Indonesian often used the name "Arya" too. In Javanese called Haryo.

The Negri Sembilan (Malaysia) Yamtuan Besar has passed away at 11:45am on Dec. 27, 2008

Sultan Iskandar Mahmud Badaruddin, Sultan Palembang Darussalam

I just saw in the "Kosmo!", a local daily in Malaysia, an article on Sultan Iskandar Mahmud Badaruddin, the Sultan of Palembang Darussalam.

It seems that there r still 150 informal sultanates in Indonesia. Among the informal sultans still reigning r Sultan Iskandar Mahmud Badaruddin, the Sultan of Palembang Darussalam, 42 years old, who still has his own palace at Jalan Terpedom, Palembang, living a life unfettered by strict royal protocol.

Iskandar was appointed as Sultan by the Himpunan Zuriat Kesultanan Palembang, apparently a sort of Palembang royalty lineage council, n the Ketua Asosiasi Kerajaan dan Kesultanan Indonesia, some kind of national association of royalty, on 19 November 2006.

He is said to be living on the revenue of 3 companies personally owned by him, namely PT Kelantan Sakti, PT Adi Pratama n PT Gerindro Utama Mandiri. He is married with 4 kids. He sports long hair n a beard.

He does hv a bit of that royalish "Arya" look.

He said that he's been approached by Golkar to contest in elections, but declined in order to focus his attention on the development of the Palembang region.

Now, his selection of "Kelantan Sakti" as the name of one of his companies is rather intriguing, I find. One wonders what might hv been the basis for his choice. Could be some ancient link between Kelantan n Palembang.

Also, as a reigning Sultan of Palembang, one would speculate the possibility of lineage from the ancient Palembang Srivijaya kingdom, right?

Maja, where can I get more info on Bali Royalty? Google didn't help much

try this as a starting point:

Kerajaan Indonesia

is this meneer londoh's site, btw?

No, but Mr. Donald Tick, one of the authors, a man with a great knowledge of Indonesian Royality, is a good friend of mine.

You can find the authors on the site

http://donaldfestivi.blogspot.com/

Oh, his wife is a Banjar. Not a common Banjar either, she is a "Gusti". There's a pic of their wedding in the site, it was in traditional Banjar. Nice!

Speaking of "Gusti", what is the proper way for a commoner in olden times, say an adventurer or a travelling merchant, to address a princess?

Is it Gusti Puteri? Or would Gusti Prabhu be better?

I don't want to be malicious or meant harm to anyone....
But it seems that both men married into royalty.....after they studied royalty.
I meant no harm but it was just something that came out of my mind after reading the blog.