lmao aryan is like a ethnic group even darkest indians fall under this catogary the only people who think aryan is race are westerners whos idea of aryan is blond hair and blue eyed germans

Indias largest ethnic group

Indo-Aryans 72%, Dravidians 25%, Mongoloids and others 3%

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...k/print/in.html

and Parsis only make up to 2.5% of population

Have you been paying any attention at all in this thread, fero? Aryans (also known as Indo-Europeans) were a race, they invaded India (and Iran, Afghanistan and Europe) but did not leave much of a genetic footprint in India (other than a little in the highest castes) - only a huge influence in terms of culture, including the language.

I suspect that what the CIA calls 'Indo-Aryans' are simply Indians who speak Indo-Aryan languages such as Hindi etc.

There are people out there who want to make it a "Race" like people on youtube its hilarious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0TQ1gj8GQo

Aryan invasion theory is a myth and has been debunked by many creditable historians. There is nothing (no evidence) to support that Aryans were not native to India.

well they need good actors. a no name Persian actor will make not only make the film unpopular and cash won't be flowing in either. Heck its a game lighten up folks.

Of course they weren't. The Indo-European homeland was somewhere near Southern Russia, the Caucasus or Eastern Turkey.

I didn't twist any of your words. You said there are higher caste Indians can pass as Mediterraneans. Then I told you that almost all Indian immigrants are of higher caste and asked why the vast majority of them are never able to pass off as Mediterraneans.




I'd understand this if they picked ambiguous-looking Euro actors, but Jake and the English actress are Anglos and will never able to pass as anything else.



I wasn't, and the person who is talking about Hollywood's racism isn't talking about a preference for a skin or hair color. She's talking about the habit Hollywood has where Anglo actors are cast to play other ethnicities... unless their villains lol




I don't see anybody arguing that the actor should be Persian. They're saying he should look Persian.

And which Indians believe that Yana is actually Indian? With your logic, Indians must believe that the blondes, black and East Asian dancers that Bollywood hires are Indian as well. Oh, and there are actually black item girls in newer movies.




Your grasping for an argument here. Hiring a white women to do an item number in movie where she her character does nothing except dance for a few minutes and has no established ethnicity does not compare to the point that the other poster was trying to make about Hollywood's casting habits.



Um... that's not racism in Bollywood. The story in the show is about a girl who faces discrimination because of her skin color. If anything, that's not racism.




Pride in what? I'm the one who insults Bollywood in other threads. I'm responding to you because your arguments are so strange just like the one about the soap opera above. You're claiming it's racist because the show is actually addressing peoples' bigotry? That makes no sense at all...




You essentially said "if Hollywood is so bad why does Bollywood and everyone else copy it"? That had no logic.

pssst mona is pakistani she just wants to stri things up with indians to piss em off

Hollywood also copies a lot of Asian movies. It is not exclusive to Bollywood alone..


Looks like you have lots of issues. I have only seen Yana doing dance numbers. The dance numbers are supposed to be sensual and exotic. If she does a role of an Indian princess in a Bollywood movie then your complaint would be legitimate. Your comparisons of Yana seem to be too far fetched with Prince of Persia casting.

I told you before that Indians are insensitive towards discrimination on the basis of skin color. America and Europe have history of racial discrimination on the basis of skin color which is not applicable to India.

You need to study sociology and cultural anthropology a tad more before you come here making half-brained statements.

Cheap words. Maybe you can explain this complicated issue to us. Exactly what is flawed about my post?

I'd be glad to explain, but only with your full participation and cooperation. First, I'd like for you to define "race."

It may be due to Greeks. But it is still a guess. There were Greek satraps in Bactria (Nothern Afghanistan) during ancient times. Lot of Greeks accepted Hinduism and Buddhism during those times. But no Aryan invasion happened because Aryans are a myth.


Who agrees? I don't agree and most modern archeologists and anthropologists also don't agree with you.


WOw now you are making your own science. Light skin doesn't make someone more similar to the Europeans.


What research you did? Did you take blood samples? It seems you're retracting from your earlier statements. There is no such thing as coincidence, everything is evolution.


I meant that Syrians and Iraqis are as much Arabs as someone from Saudi peninsula. And for your info. there are Arab Christians as well. There are many ethnic groups in Iran and Arabs constitute 3% of the population of Iran.

Your idea of Aryans are light skinned indians with light eyes and light hair and who were invaders and were from some where in Central Asia or Europe

Nothing diffrent than how eurocentrics wants to claim north indians as "white" civilization and afrocentrics wants to claim south india as "black" civilization while they both keep feeding the Aryan and Dravdian myth and making up more lameass theorys and cast system blah blah blah

Aryan was an ethnic group Aryanism is a culture

I have a lot of issues? ur the one taking offence. oh pls Learn to read and understand. What i was saying about yana is that she portrays as an indian even though she is not - And that is no problem. It is the same with hollywood actors, they portray different ethnicity (it is called acting) and i was only trying to relate each other. Bollywood put yana in their music video, not only because she was a previous model but also because maybe they think she could pass for an indian. That is how it relates to prince of persia ( because the hollywood actors can be made up to look indian although they are not).
That was my point i'm getting at.

And it is only a games so i don't see why people should get so butthurt over a game.
And speaking about far fetch- i am not America or European so shows how much u know anyway.

Don't even begin to talk about "racial discrimination on the basis of skin color which is not applicable to India."
Many Indians get discriminated against simply caz they are darker, yes that is what goes on all over the world not only in india, but why should indians deny it? Beats me.

I don't watch them. I also try to get others to stop watching it, which is exactly what I'm doing now.



Then "lol, white people" -Tabs.



Unfortunately, they are retards. They are what I call "white-worshipping cockriders". Approximately 50% of the non-white population.

Of course u will never see logic when ur pride is affected.

Keep twisting my words, ur excellent at that.

What did i say earlier? Didn't i say they hire her because some believe she could even pass for an indian even though she does not look like an indian to me? And also caz she is fair skinned -she got hired.

Besides the black items girls are put as backup dancer, they do not take the leading roles in bollywood numbers and people hardly notice them. And didn't i say if she was a black girl she'd not be getting that part?







R u really gonna tell me that bollywood is not discriminating? dud wake up
Proudness always stands in the way of people been a realist.




People on AF do not represent the people who thought she was indian.
f3ro300 even said he thought she was indian.
There are plenty indians who actually thought she was indian to begin with.




Actually it is not an insult to be called Pakistani.
But i am sure u have deep hate for Pakistani people since u think calling someone Pakistani is offensive.









This is what u asked me, u really need to fix up ur sentences better than that.




man ur good at twisting arguments. I never said that hiring that brown girl is racist.

You did not ask which bollywood actress, u asked which character.
The bollywood directors and producers of that soap opera said the whole purpose
of that soap opera was to address what actually goes on in india as far as discrimination against skin colour.
Bollywood are obsessed with fair skin. They are not just obsessed but degrades indians who are not as fair as them.
They are showing indian women this is the complexion u have to be to be regarded as beautiful and if ur dark then ur not beautiful. That is discrimination. Why do u think so many people are using creams such a fair and lovely? because they feel degraded.


Open minded indians admit that bollywood is prejudice. They are not proud like u or it could be that ur just unaware ( or must i say ignorant).
Racism is in every culture so to deny that bollywood is not racist is just ridiculous, Duh! for example black entertainment in america, they choose the most light brown black gals to be in their videos. Also discrimination.

Uhh no i dont hate pakistani people i have friends who are pakistanis and you know ALOT about indian culture and media and stuff so yes im guessin you are pakistani

Im pretty sure you are from around india some where even if you are not pakistani

Never made it sound like offensive, only you are taking it as "offensive"

Teri maa ki chut, randi ki bachi! ull know what im talking about

You think it is offensive because although i told u am not. Your still telling me that i am Pakistani because that is the reason i am trying to caz conflict against indians.

I do not believe u have Pakistani friends. Because u believe that because a person is Pakistani they will want to start arguments with indians.

Oh great swear at me now. LOL

Yeah sure <_<on internet most cases its usally pakistanis trolling around indian forums and indians trolling around pakistani fourms and yes i do have pakistani friends

huh? what you mean swearin at you? when did i do that

I never seen any pakistani person trolling the indian thread.
But maybe ur pakistani since ur trolling the threads.

Anyway if ur referring to me as a troll, troll because i address that you hide behind pride to admit that bollywood is racist and now u can't take it?
I knew the moment i said the truth people would start getting hurt. I can't help telling the truth, I'm a blunt person.





Pathetic.
So much more dignified way you could use to see if i know hindi but u choose the dirtiest hindi.
Shows what kind of person u are.

i never said YOU were a troll see you think everyone hates you

so then you understand hindi and you know what that means and there no need to be ashamed of who u are mona

And bollywood is not racist

I do not think everyone hates me and even if they did it would not bother me.
But u said you think I'm Pakistani caz it's them who usually trolls the threads.
You replied to me. And if it was not me ur calling a troll then who? lol

Ok so i know hindi, how come u know English?

is it only Indians who are allowed to be multi-lingual?

They r prejudice.

Yes u do

i never said only indians speak hindi

since you know what im talkin about then you should be from somewhere around india

and i never refered to you as a troll its all in ur head

i taught we were racists?

Who is everyone who u assume i think hate me? give me their names.

I know u never said only indians speak hindi, but u think just because i speak hindi therefore i have to be an indian who is ashamed.


It is so easy for u to lie, just as how u tried to play smart asking me what u said in hindi as if u did not know.

Y did u say the trolls are usually Pakistani? who were u speaking to?
Ur really thick. You tells so much lies that u start believing ur own lies.

see ur twisting ur words now

i never said u are indian who is ashamed

Coz i have seen pakistanis here who do that

i have no reason to lie o_O

u asked me if i am ashamed after saying i know hindi and that you know what that means.
You say things indirectly and....

You imply things.
And pakistani here who do what?





What did u mean by i know what that means? i do not know what it mean.
Tell me.

since you are so much "aware" of Indian culture so obiviously you should be pakistani o_O

So it is only pakistani who knows about indian culture?

Most of the time yes Pakistanis Bangladeshi Afgs sri lankhans

Do u think every indian who lives in india knows more about indian culture than everybody who is not indian?

think again

Most people who are not indian could careless about the indian culture unless they are from the countries around india since indian media is highly influnced on them o_O

And just because someone is Indian or live around India, that does not mean that everything they say about India is accurate than an outsider inputs.

LOL Lots of people knows about indian culture. Lots of other could careless.
Someone can be living in a jungle- sheltered all he's life -so he is unaware of wild animals. Sounds random but think about it.

-_- this is lame now..what is your Nationality ?

I'm jamaican by nationality.

Go ahead and say that i know very little about indian culture because i'm not indian.
I know that is coming. LOL

I KNEW IT well almost i taught you were from either South Asia or jamaica/caribbean

i bet you watch ZEE TV <_<

If u knew that i was from carribean then y didn't u say that long back?

Dude, my mom is Trinidadian, my dad is british.
Half of the population of Trinidad are indians. Trinidad indians just tend to call themself trinidadians, since they been there for generations upon generations.
INdians in trinidad keep their culture so much that they even still do arrange marriage and knows a mighty lot about their culture. Even far more than sum of indians who actually live in india. My mom is trini indian- she does not wear sari or follows indian culture but she studies it. There is a difference between actually practising something and studying something. And i'm not talking about ZEE TV. No i'm not indian i'm a jamaican. All my imidiate family are now jamaicans- they got citicizenship. Jamaicans do not define themself as a race, there are indian jamaican, chinese jamaicans, white jamaicans, spanish jamaicans as well.


As i said before just because u live in india does not mean u know everything about india more than an outsider. Where do u live uk?
There are lots of people who are not jamaicans and knows much more about jamaica than i.
Where you from does not always show how much u know about that place- still can be as ignorant as ever.
Just like this indian guy who lived all he's life in mumbai, he just came over here and he says that indian girls in india do not wear skirts they only wear sari. But i told him that can't be true, he defense to me "yes it is true because he knows more than i because he is indian."

Yes i know about Trini i met a black jamicain girl once who kept braggin about how jamicans like "indian hair" and watch Zee TV

I don't know any jamaican girls who watch zee - maybe sum do, but the ones i know make fun of how funny hindi sounds to them, but yes a lot of them like indian people's hair.




yep they are more likely to make money if it's a wellknown name. Since the target market of that game would probably not know john abraham etc.

Is the audience for that video game mainly targeted at the indian market anyway?
This is probably the first time a lot of people here are hearing about this game.
It's only an animation.

People called hollywood racist over that animation, but when the table is turned, you see how people behave.

could aishwarya rai play that princess? what u guys think?

Pre-European Contact Colorism and Post-colonial Racism in Asia and North Africa

European imperialists are often blamed for bringing the "lighter skin is righter" mentality to indigenes of colonized lands in Africa and Asia. Critics of this mental colonization don't always acknowledge in the same breath that many North African and Asian cultures had placed a premium on light skin PRIOR to European exposure. Indian folk songs praised the beautiful woman who has "the color of butter" (Indian butter is white, not yellow). Pre-colonial Indonesian women used plant-based skin treatments to make their complexion pale.

However, the fact that pre-colonial colorism exists does NOT absolve Europeans of their responsibility for indoctrinating non-European populations with harmful racial ideologies. Pre-colonial colorism in many cultures is fundamentally different from modern Western racism; the vocabulary and assumptions used in the discussion of modern racism are not necessarily helpful or relevant in understanding pre-European-contact attitudes towards complexion.

Pre-European-contact colorism occurs in the context of members of the same "race" (quotes being used because "race" is a modern Western concept we are applying anachronistically). Wealthy people did not have to work in the sun, and thus were lighter-complexioned than poor workers and peasants. Light skin became a symbol of wealth and class. Fatness, another physical characteristic associated with a lifestyle of prestige and plenty, was also deemed attractive. Famed medieval North African writer Ibn Battuta described "the most perfect of women in beauty" as "pure white and fat."1

Such preferences for the plump and pale were not limited to North Africa. Paintings from pre-modern China and Japan depicted gods, warriors, and other attractive men with ample bellies. The round belly implies physical stability and economic sufficiency. The Chinese euphemism for getting fat literally means "getting wealthy". Chinese texts from as early as the 3rd century praised a handsome man's pallid countenance as the perfect contrast to gleaming black eyes.2

Ihara Saikaku, a 17th century Japanese writer, constrasted the beauty of the black-haired, pale-skinned urban youth to the unattractiveness of orange-haired, sun-tanned rural boys. Peasant boys who worked outdoors had their black hair bleached orange by sun and sweat. Thus, for the pre-modern Japanese, pale hair and dark skin came to be signifiers of an under-privileged lifestyle, just as black hair and pale skin symbolized urban sophistication and privilege.

When Europeans started exporting their ideas of the white European master race to colonized lands, the toxic reaction between old lifestyle-based colorism and new Western racism produced a harmful new compound which associated European features with power, wealth and beauty. Some European-descent whites absolve themselves of responsibility by saying, "The only reason racism took root so easily in Japan/the Philippines/[fill in the blanks] is because the people there already had similar ideas about race and color." What these Europeans fail to understand is that while the new ideas of racism may wear the clothes of old class/lifestyle-based colorism, it is a whole different animal underneath.

Firstly, the fact that other indigenous preferences that accompanied traditional colorism - such as the preference for fatness, black hair, black eyes and round flat faces - have declined demonstrates that the new Eurocentric standards of beauty are based on assumptions different from those of traditional colorism. For example, the influence of American pop culture replaced the original Japanese ideal of jet black hair with the phenomenon of Japanese dyeing their hair red, blonde or orange.

In a similar vein, many modern Filipinos see the 'high-nosed', oval-faced European as beautiful, some openly expressing the wish for a higher nose or more oval face. But this preference has not always existed. Prior to European colonization, the ancient Visayans of the Philippines considered the very opposite of high noses and oval faces handsome. Visayans, as well as some other Austronesian peoples in Malaysia and Indonesia, compressed their babies' skulls to achieve broad faces with receding foreheads and flat noses . The Minahasa of Celebes even restricted binding with a forehead board to the nobility. 3

Secondly, the modern concept of 'race' itself is a Western import. This new racial 'colorism' is no longer framed in the old context of "lifestyle/social circumstance determines appearance", i.e. "if you are wealthy, you will have certain physical characteristics as a result of your lifestyle". Post-colonial racism is in fact based on the opposite concept: that one's genotype, and by extension, its phenotypic expression, determines one's circumstance in life, i.e. "if you are white, you will have certain privileges as a result of your biological heritage". This idea of "biology=destiny" is what undergirds modern Western racism.

Sadly, many non-whites today do not examine the roots of their admiration for the white-skinned, high-nosed and light-eyed, and assume that their desire for whiteness is "natural" or "traditional". Some non-black people of color even speak of their "instinctive" fear of black people. Even without interacting with black people, some brown and yellow individuals have unthinkingly internalized European colonialist attitudes of a racial hierarchy with white at the top and black at the bottom.

In other cases, some Asians who assume that individual blacks are poor or uneducated may be possibly acting on traditional colorism. These Asians make the same assumptions about darker persons of their own 'race'. For all of individuals (regardless of race) some introspection would come in handy. Instead of excusing our preferences as "natural", "determined by hormones", "purely emotional, and therefore defying logical analysis", let's just ask ourselves as individuals, "Why do I prefer people who have certain physical characteristics, be it fatness or thinness or whiteness or blackness?"

Perhaps our individual motivations are totally benign. But perhaps if those who unconsciously subscribe to class-based colorism realize the origins of their preference for the light-skinned was based on wealth and not race, their idea that "black=poor" will fall flat because it should be obvious that people from dark-skinned races, regardless of economic situation, are dark-skinned. And therefore, using skin color as a gauge of economic status is not as relevant for subSaharan Africans and aboriginal Australians as it is for North Africans and Asians.

Even if 'race' is completely out of the picture, the next step is to acknowledge the classist implications of pre-colonial non-racial colorism. Some people find it appalling to marry for money, but the same people excuse preferences for spouses of light complexion as "purely physical". They do not recognize the wealth-based roots of color prejudices, and fail to see the role of social conditioning in constructing desire. The purpose of this essay is not to command people to change their desires, for no one has the power to dictate what is attractive to another. It merely suggests that we should UNDERSTAND the causes of our preferences. Whether we want or need to change is up to us.

http://www.colorq.org/Articles/article.aspx?d=2002&x=colorism

wow.They don't look Persian at ALL to me.They need to stop trying to be right now because it isn't working -.-

Persian girl

Such as who and what are their arguments? As far as I'm aware the current consensus is that there was a limited influx of Indo-Iranians around 1500 B.C. who established themselves as the top layer. Anyway, how else would you explain the fact that over half of Indians speak an Aryan language?

And how can Aryans be a myth even if they didn't invade India, if there is a linguistic connection between certain European languages among themselves, and among certain European languages and Indian, Iranian and Afghani languages?

There is only one pre-Indo-European language left in Europe, namely Basque.



I'm retracting from some of my earlier statements, namely that the similarities between Europeans and Indians are caused mainly by genetics. This is because studies have shown there isn't much Indo-European influence, but the Indo-European that does exist seems to correlate with caste, and thus, with light skin.



I agree. So how would you explain the similarities? I think you'll be hard pressed to deny that there are any.



No, the people living in what is now Syria and Iraq were not Arabs at all before the 7th century. The people who are living there now are a mixture of ethnic Arabs and the 'native' population, but consider themselves Arab. Or did you think there was no one living there when the Arabs invaded?

I've read this article before. It's interesting and probably true, but I honestly doubt that many contemporary scientists are being influenced by either native colorism or white supremacism.

Arya or Aryan was never about "race" for us. As Vaman has pointed out ancient Indians referred noble people as Arya. If you look at Ramayan and Mahabharat, there Arya word has been used many times to address people with respect. What proof do historians have to prove that *Aryans* "invaded" India.

Gemma Arterton is playing Indian princess not Persian Princess

This has nothing to do with pride. In every argument, your posts lack logic and make very little sense. If this were about pride, why wouldn't I be picking on the others?



I haven't twisted any of your words; that's your talent. As for black item girls used as back up dancers, when do whites other than Yana get lead dancer? It's just Yana because she's a successful model in India.




Where have I denied that Bollywood doesn't discriminate? I said that it wasn't racism and is bad comparison to the point the other person was making about Hollywood. Stop singing that same song over and over about my "pride" and putting words into my mouth.




You keep saying that, but you've failed to prove it. Every Indian picture blog has her listed as a Czech model who came to India with her husband.




You told me that Bollywood degrades dark people and I asked you for an example. You gave me a soap opera that tells the story of a girl who struggles because of her skin color. How is that degradation of dark people? You're confused and might want to look up the word.




Is your brain functioning properly? A story exposing discrimination against a dark woman isn't "degradation." That's supportive. Degradation would be a story where a dark woman is discriminated against and it's portrayed as if there's nothing wrong with it. Understand?




Again, I've never denied Bollywood's discrimination so you can stop your "pride" BS. I'm trying to argue your ridiculous points and lack of logic. This isn't the first time.

Your so proud and narrow minded.
Your twisting around people who do not agree with u that is words to win a ridiculous point.

Once again i never said that bollywood casting that brown girl in that soap opera was an example of them degrading darker women.


You always denied that bollywood was prejudice and discriminates.
Your trying to say that bollywood having preference for fair skin is not discrimination.
Why do they have a preference for fair skin- you never answered that? They not only have a preference but they degrade people who are not fair.

So two other narrow minded people agrees with u, still does not make u right.

Stop sticking ur nose in the air. And start been realistic for once






How can i prove it? What u expect me to do, ask for ur address and round up a whole bunch of indians who believed she was indian and send them to ur front door?

That starter of this thread topic is the only person i show u right now who believed she was indian at first. And i heard plenty other indians in REAL LIFE saying they thought she was indian at first.
Just because i can't show u others, don't mean sh!t. This is internet and not real life so what kind of proof are u asking for?






That is not what u asked me to show u. I showed u what u asked for.

And besides yes i have seen a lot of that indian movies, where a dark skin indian gets the most degrading roles to play and nobody treats see it as anything. They are always the servant-house keepers, the gardeners etc.






Please tell me what does bollywood discriminate against.
I want to hear your side of it

Again, you keep singing the same song over and over and over. How have I twisted any of what you said? I've showed how little you make sense like that previous soap opera example. (At least now you gave better ones like the servants always being darker). You keep saying that I'm "proud and narrow minded," but you've failed to show show how. You claim that I've said that that Bollywood doesn't discriminates when I've never said that. And I didn't say that a preference for lighter skin isn't discrimination; I said it wasn't racism. Stop putting words into my mouth and try improving your English or something.

As for Yana, a few NRIs where you live thinking Yana might be Indian means nothing. You said that people in India think she is and I've yet to see or read Indian nationals thinking she is. And your point about this being the Internet is irrelevant... the Internet is a reflection of real life. If they thought she was Indian then they would say it.



Darker people get minor roles and if not are villains and side kicks, Sikhs, South Indians and Bengalis are used for jokes/comedy relief, white people are portrayed as promiscuous etc.