Here are some videos of that war:

North Korean and Chinese Army

South Korean and American Army

Chinese Army

The Air War


And here is a wikipedia report:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

Bloody commies!

Have an Uncle who is a Korean war vet. Entered in '52 when the war was nearing an end. Stationed in artillery around Uijongbu (sp?) just north of Seoul.

Notice those are American planes dropping bombs on Koreans.

The Korean war was a terrible bloodbath for the Koreans, fueled by America and China (as well as Russia I think). Whatever the reasons, I hope Korea re-unites, although I suppose the economic state of the North would cause problems with the South.

Finally someone speaking truth. No propaganda.

To be honest it was the Americans who wanted to push their powers in East Asia after the defeat of Japan considering China and Soviet was already there in the first place. Instigators offenders? I would heavily favor America. On the defensive it would have to Chinese Russians, and Koreans trying to secure their boarders.

Ofcourse; they are another one that we have to worry about.
They were dealing golden handshake with these commies.

But, we can't handle all of them at once, we have to use them to get commies first.

What does commies have anything to do with Americans dropping bombs on Koreans?

Go and read the extensive info about Korean war.
These commies had ambition to control over Korean peninsula and US allies didn't wanted this; may because they deliberately done this divide Korea, nevertheless these commies were largely responsible for the Korean war.

What if commies won the war; and whole Korea became commie land; we would be dancing with CCP and USSR?
It would have been even worse or commies would have wipe Korean clean for them to start new war; then Japan would have been their next target.

Japanese should thank Sth Koreans for defensive effort otherwise they would also have been dancing with CCP & USSR.
Taking USA was enough, taking CCP & USSR would have been disaster.

Which book should I read? The ones American imperialist wrote or the Chinese/USSR?

The only thing offensive is American troops in Korea controlling politics to Korean troops.

DPRK POW's



ROK Soldiers


"president" Rhee



DPRK POW's


DPRK POW's at UN re-education camp.


civilians '



little girl was killed, burial



General Ridgeway and admiral joy



refugees


youngest DPRK POW



selling rice/food on the black market



shortage of food/medical supplies this was the result




refugee school

Books? how about some Korean books to start with or what about Internet search.
If you read the source from CCP/USSR they are just as same as US version but opposite way.

Don't worry, by 2014 this will be all over as American troops are leaving by then, relocating to Japan.
This is why SK is getting ready for 2020 military vision.

Mcarthur back in US


http://www.amazon.com/Pusan-Panmunjom-Repu...8115&sr=8-1
from the perspective of ROK 4-star general.

My dad and my grandparents weren't angry at the Americans when that happened to the city that they were hiding in. They were escaping North Korea even before the war had begun. The Americans were attacking the enemy that took over the city. But in those days, bombers weren't accurate and rarely hit their targets. My dad told me that he and his family stayed under the bed. There'd be dust all over under the bed when the bomb shook the ground. (I guess the building that they were hiding in was a western one because Korean ones don't have a bed. In those days, most Koreans slept on the floor.)


Although dividing Korea was wrong, I don't think the war was fueled by America or China. In fact, the US didn't supply SK enough because they thought that it wasn't necessary. Some people say that it was because the US was afraid that SK might invade the North first. The Soviets supplied the North with a lot of weapons and T-34 tanks. But that was because Kim Il-sung of NK told him that he'd invade the South.


Actually, the American books are quite honest about the war. The American books are quite critical on some of America's battle strategy too.

This youngster bring tears to my eyes.
Poor little thing.

Please explain how this is done? Give some examples.



How about the North Koreans that actually invaded the South.

Koreans invading Koreans? That's the dumbest propaganda ever. North were trying to push the American forces out of Korea.

American troops had for the most part withdrawn from the KP at the time of the NK invasion.

http://www.koreanroll.gov.au/history.aspx#overview

See, Origins of the Korean War, 1945-1950, paragraph 3, last sentence.

Yea. Also, SK was outside America's protection zone before the war.

US & British and rest of Allies didn't cared about Korea until USSR secretly expanding their interest into Korean peninsula. If the NK were able to gain whole of Korean peninsula; Soviets would have installed their bases in all over Korea, then pacific would have been very different landscape.

most part.

"Most part" refers to the few US troops who remained in SK training ROK forces. The garrison forces had departed. There were no real American forces to push out as FS has posted. As was the American practice US armed forces were in the process of demobilizing after WWII. After the NK invasion began it was necessary to rush US forces from Japan to the ever diminishing area that became known as the Pusan Perimeter. It would not have been necessary to rush troops from Japan to SK if there were more than a handful of US forces in SK at the time of NK army crossed the 38th parallel. America wasn't interested in SK per se. She was interested in defending Japan. As Cha said in his last post, Korea wasn't within the US defense perimeter outlined by the Truman Administration.

BS. American forces never left Korea. It was influencing South to push out Chinese and Russian influences to take over Korea. Korea war was an inner conflict between Koreans. Not for USA to invade Korea.

I'm open to learning from you. Can you refer me to any links or original source documents that support the view you express that America was influencing SK to push out Chinese influences so the US could take over Korea during the period in question? As I recall the actual fighting in China's civil war didn't end until October 1949, and DPRK forces crossed the 38th parallel in June 1950. Frankly I'm surprised that America was nimble enough to act in such a short period of time. Thanks for the heads-up.

Do you understand that Korea was 1 country before the USA pushed their way in.

There were only advisors who trained the SK army. They had nothing to do with the starting of the war. The only influence was that the NKs felt free to invade the South. They didn't think that the Americans would come to help the South Koreans.

Also, it took a while for a significant amount of the American army to reach Korea. The first ones to reach Korea were the ones stationed in Japan. They weren't enough so the Nks were close to winning the war. The Americans and SKs were being pushed back (more like chased away) near to the last South Korean seaport.

It was USA who divided Korea before all that because they won the war with Japanese trying to gulp all of Korea. To the south it was American reps and to the north Soviet and Chinese reps.

During the Korean war USA dropped bombs on Korean civilians including many women and children. Even executing random defenseless Koreans because American lives were lost during the war.

Yes, we know that the US and the Soviets divided Korea and it has been mentioned before. But why divide Korea if they want to take the whole country? You have no proof.


I knew about the massacre from American books long before the news mentioned No Gun Ri several years ago. American books are quite honest about it. I'm totally against the massacre.
There were certain stages of the war in which the Americans were in a desperate situation. In the early part of the war, the North Koreans outnumbered the Americans. The NKs often flanked behind the Americans. In other cases, North Koreans disguised as civilians sneaked through American lines with the real civilian refugees. When the Americans retreated, they faced a lot of North Korean soldiers dressed in civilian clothes.

Yes I understand that at one time Korea was a unified administrative unit (under Japanese control from 1910-1945). I also understand that American and Soviet forces terminated Japanese control of the KP in August 1945.

But my question to you didn't relate to the unified status of the KP. In post no. 23 on this thread you made a statement. In post no. 24 on this thread I made an inquiry about that statement. I asked you if you would please direct me to the links and primary source documents that support the view that America was pushing SK to eliminate Chinese influence in order to take over Korea during the period from August 1945 through June 1950. If it wouldn't be inconvenient I would appreciate a direct response to my question. Thank you.

Actually Korea became unfortunate target of separation due to being under Japanese empire, the ally force misunderstood the Korea's position.

What Soviet and American did was to divide Japan just like they did to Germany; American agreed to take Japan, and Soviet agreed to take Korea but they had one problem, the China and provisional Korean republic government.

At that stage the Chinese side didn't wanted to divide Korea; because they wanted whole Korea under their sphere and exiled Korean republic leaders who just came to Korea were too busy with containing Korea and it's citizens. Not all Koreans supported provisional Korean republic.

So out of desperation, Soviet saw this as treat to their Russian far east. Russians are very cunning people, they understood Korea's position well and how could united Korea under PRC's dominion can change the geo-politics of NE Asia; so they pushed Kim IL Sung to take the leadership over Korea, thus NK & Soviet started Korean war.

Actually this attacks from North were stunned the Americans, and China just stood there to watch the roll considering both Soviet and North Koreans were communist, and then American and it's allies joined in for fest and pushed far as boarders of Korea-China.

This eventually triggered Chinese to support the North Koreans, because they didn't had choice at that time, so China let their army to be used as bullet shield; they didn't cared, they just wanted to secure Korea much as possible.

The war finally ended when US-Soviet agreed to divide the Korea and let Kim IL Sung & Lee Seung man to sign the amnesty. Thus; both Soviet and USA played major role in dividing Korea.

If they wanted Korea as whole country then American would have used nuke on Soviet and China; and Soviet knew this so they ask for case fire, and knowing scores of American soldiers were killed, American too realized that this war have gone too far. If there was country that wanted one Korea, then that would have to be China or Japan.

As the result Koreans were used for superpowers interests; this is why united Korea is crucial for stabilizing the geopolitics.

Dude you are giving whole lot of excuses of wrong doing.

No I'm not. I stated that it was wrong. I was just explaining the situation.

You sure did give excuses how North Koreans were civilian clothes and giving Americans plausible excuse to kill civilians.

So did they pay for their war crimes?

It's quite simple. they were our enemy and still our enemy.

Zzz........

You know what? The first time that I heard about the massacres, I was angry too. But I knew about this for over ten years. And before that, I have heard of the atrocities done by the NKs from the adults who went through the war. Now I'm tired of saying who is bad. After seeing history repeat itself in Iraq and hearing about how the Vietnamese felt with our soldiers, I can see how the terrible things that we can't imagine happen so often in war. That's what war is about and that's why we should prevent war if possible. If we can't avoid war, we should find ways to prevent these during war. You probably heard this recently and expect all of us to only rant without wanting to know how to prevent these kinds of attrocities. You can't prevent this by just assuming that some armies are more racist and cruel than others. There are other factors to this, which is why you should avoid war as much as possible. By the way, do you know what the South Korean government did to the South Korean Communists?

Anyway, you're the one who called it an excuse, not me. I stated that what they did was wrong.

How are you going to make the Americans pay for these war crimes?

Enemies? If that's what you want so be it.

Edit: Hey FS-If you're looking for someone as a sacrificial lamb for past war crimes I have a suggestion:

http://english.kbs.co.kr/news/newsview_sub...;key=2008070218

Let's start with you and lock you behind bars. You are our enemy because you have committed crimes against us and still doing the same. Americans are terrorist of planet earth.

Korea should not help these criminals to fuel their war. I don't know why Koreans are even in Iraq. They are in it for a profit and supremacy. We are just being someone's slave/puppet at best by following these terrorists.

There's some parts I agree with but some parts you seem to made it up.

Soviets had nuclear weapons at the time first off. It was the Chinese who pleaded with Russians to secure their boarders.

You lack the power to put anyone behind bars. Sorry. It's the truth.

DPRK troops masquerading as civilians is legally recognized as a war crime. Put them behind bars if you can.

You ask why ROK is in Iraq. I think there are several reasons, one of which is crude oil. Check out the links:

http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/32975

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnginee...O28961220080625

Another reason is to develop experience with the business end of shovels as ROK troops dig latrines while being guarded by thousands of Iraqi Kurdish Pesh Mergha. If ROK was America's slave or puppet your troops would be in combat, not shovelling poop. Sorry. It's the truth.

Get your head out of your @$$.

Neither one of us will profit from an exchange of insults. Would you be willing to join me in a civil debate on the direction of the ROK/US alliance or the Agreed Framework 2? You have nothing to lose. Maybe you can give me more of an insight into the thinking of Korean citizens.

There's nothing to discuss with an enemy who have committed crimes against us.

So you decline the opportunity to sit down with me and unconditionally debate because I am "an enemy who has committed crimes against" the Korean people. I take it you will not be an Obama voter.

What war crimes are you accusing me of personally committing?

I've never been in the military. The only murder I've committed involves poor taste in fashion.

Is it possible that I have committed a status crime because of my birth and life as an American?

But I've never been to Korea. So how have I committed crimes against the Korean people?

Are you suggesting that I'm vicariously liable for the actions of American forces deployed to SK because of our shared nationality? Bingo. The winning numbers are 386.

Well, there's a way we could come to an understanding. Don't we both agree on the immediate termination of the ROK/US alliance and complete withdrawal of all USFK members from SK as of yesterday. Imagine, a KP with no Americans present. Don't you agree that this is a common goal we should be working towards? Imo, it's not wise to reject potential allies just because you don't like them personally. At least serious people never do.

Your opinion doesn't matter much to me because it's just lop sided ludicrous. Don't like Americans personally? Now what if Koreans killed one of your child? Would you personally despise them?

Sorry about your child. The death of a man's child before his own death is the greatest tragedy he can ever suffer.

If I was Korean and a US soldier, or any American, killed one of my children I would want USFK to withdraw completely from SK and for the alliance to terminate. That would be my objective. I would adopt any tactic necessary to achieve that objective, even making common cause with Americans who could be used to further that objective. I would not sulk in bitterness and allow the objective to slip away. I would not adopt tactics which are unlikely to accomplish that objective. I would control my emotions and singlemindedly pursue the objective.

Because of your emotions the opinions of all Americans are ludicrous to you. In keeping with those emotions all Americans are guilty of the status crime of being American. I understand that. Similarly, as an American I'm holding my nose as I converse with you. But I'm keeping my eye on the ball.

I think If south korea accepted trusteeship by USA,Great Britain and Russia at that time
It was not possible to act like promoting dividing into parts because
the Soviet Union was a person concerned of the foreign ministers
meeting.

I don't mean to be rude but is baal white?

You are just figuring that out?

The preferred term is YT. Failing that try Cracker. If you can't bring yourself to utter those terms Gweilo will do.


Edit: Happy Fourth of July.

I was way too tired last night to read every post baal has written. Just to find out what race he is.