Hulagu

Cingis Khaan thats not even a question you should ask who's your fav except the Great Khan

(sorry my bad that is my mistake )
who's your fav except the Great Khan ?

berke khan

Khans of the Golden Horde are ok. But i like Hulagu

Toqtamysh

Golden Horde Khan again ? lol Why people like mostly the Golden Horde Khans

Cause I'm part Slav/Tatar duh

Dunno about Tujue

He might say Tamerlane omg What Mongols was like in old time !

part kipchak

plus
in my eyes he had the strongest horde

he totaly fu-ked up hulagu

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qd4q0Xx-u1Y

What about Batu? Does anyone like Batu Khan?

I like him after Ghengis coz he beat all those European knights with Subudei plus he pulled off that tough victory in Hungary or something against crusaders and hungarian knights.

Like everyone reveres the knights Templar, Tuetonic Knights and Hospitallers but they got stomped on, very thoroughly by Batu so you knights lose there aura. They even killed the grand master and he sounds spooky and untouchable kinda like the hashashins but hashshins gave up like pussys!

Plus he would of made a good soap opera character coz he had issues about whether he was a legitimate son and all that, family issues which makes him interesting.

You can't really match a nomadic warrior to a knight. Nomads were fierce, skilled, strong and entire lifetime dedicated to hunting and war. Knights were just walking tin-cans, entire lifetime also dedicated to war, but one swing of a mace and *cloink* fight's over. Not just that, but they tended to be rather undisciplined soldiers who trample down their own infantry (most famous example in the Battle of Crecy)

A fact that Europe doesn't really like so they find as many excuses as they can to cover up their defeats. Annihilation of these knights resulted in a really bitter Europe - those men were apparently their best. I still believe Celts and Norsemen are more worthy of the title of 'best of Europe' then knights. Knights were meant to represent the Catholic faith as well and lost terribly.

Genghis Khan... ??? LOL
I know some more but right now I forgot. I haven't been playing Medieval Total War for a long time.

General Baidar !!!

It's very interesting how Tujue decided to pick Berke Khan, and YouAgain decided to pick Hulagu Khan. Both Khan were very hateful enemies of each other despite being cousins

Reflects Tujue and YouAgain's present relationship too

^yeah

Imo Hulagu Khan gave the mongols a bad name in the ME

But im not judging him he did the right thing but he didn't have to burn all the books

but ones don't want to listen need reminders

This man has some blood of assassins !!!

assasins are arabs

Well no one has mentioned Timur in challenge to Toqtamysh so it appears no one has anything against me then

That is why the reason you don't likeHulagu.

^you're an idiot

Hulagu did not discriminate. His general that sacked Bagdad was a Chinese man (Guo Kan). Cavalry could not penetrate the castle walls, so Guo used the strategy to break the dikes and flood the city. Later, Hulagu would order this city die to the last living creature (ie slaughter for entire months). He went in the mosque and dragged the last Muslim king (caliph) by his ears and told him that he was higher than God.

What do I think of steppe meritocracy? Our heritage, nature, culture and traditions.
How did we invent meritocracy? What is meritocracy? Military structure with promotions based on ability.

What do I think of lluk's ability? Worthy only to be tied up between four horses to give me 10 seconds of pleasure watching him ripped apart

It wasn't meritocracy. You had no choice. You had to join them to survive. Just ask Turkic tribes back then, they give you same answer.

^ it's more about wanting to see some action for the smaller tribes

Most tribes either then Chingghis' clan were united through force - including mine

*sigh* Sedentary fools sometimes

Mongolians always didn't liked Turkic soldiers who worked for kings for some money.They were unfaithful this is why Mongols just massacred them.

You say that as if all Turkics (or rather Turks, Turkics and Turks shouldn't really be seperated as if they're two different peoples) were mercenaries, and that is not the truth, the Turks founded a large number of great Empires, the Gok Turk Empire, the Hun Empires, the Uighur Empire.

True, many Turkish warriors did fight for foreign kings for money, but you can't make the generalization that all Turkic soldiers fought for money. The majority of Turkic soldiers fought for their homeland, their Empire or tribe, given the circumstance.

STFU Hun empire was Mongolian empire. It was might there some turkic tribes worked for money !

What do you mean the Hun Empire was just Mongolian? I can't believe I'm having this arguement with a Mongolian! You are Mongolian, right? I'm sure that the Huns are our shared ancestors, the Turks, Mongolians, and Hungarians can point ancesty to the Huns. But this doesn't meant that the Hunnic Empire was a purely Mongolian Empire. You can't change history.

Also, 'STFU'? Why do you have to resort to swearing? Can't you have a normal arguement?

Hey you turkish nowshoo zail endees

WHAT? If you're swearing at me in Mongolian, then I don't see the point. I could return it in Turkish, but I prefer not to swear at people just cause I don't like them or where they come from.

So, you're a Mongolian racist who hates Turks, pfew! First time I see that. Well, nice to meet you anyway.

Nowshiin har hulgaich minee Sain baina uu? RAHMED

What are you so afraid of that you keep posting in Mongolian? I suppose you feel good when you do this.

I think you know me. I,m here not to change your mind !

fighting for booty is the way of the warrior

Nomads are not soldier and never will be

a soldier fights for a fixed pat = salary that makes him a dog

a warrior or tribal nomads only fight for a part of the booty tha makes them wolfs


even the Ottomans had to pay the other Turkmen tribes and the crimean Tatars in booty when they fought for them


it's verry expensive but fair that why the ottomans used jannisaries it wasn't realy because they wanted to or they thought it would be effective

+ in true merotocracy = tribal politics every clan had a shot at the title if a clan got to much power they could claim the throne -> this fu-ked up the Ottomans

There are only four factors that contributed to the fall of the Altaic power and division.

1) Ramming foreign women not caring about race
2) Mercenary work and no sense of altai unity
3) Fighting ourselves for centuries
4) Indulgence with alcohol to the point of death

Put 1, 2, and 3 combined - and you get the Cossacks.

You 2 will end up with this discussion in hospital for crazy people.Madness is to be locked in a hospital without being able to go away and must not access AF.

^ When the Altai / Turanids wish to unite - we are mad and akin to Nazis

Don't want your country buttraped again do you Pole boy? Ha, you know full well what the fu-k happened to Poland with Altaics united.

you are too naive there were never such thing as altaic unity only Mongols conquered them. Remember about this stupid Mohamed Shah of Kwarezm Empire ! This tells ..

fu-k off YouAgain, Chingghis Khaan started off as one clan, united all Altaics including Siberian Merkits (Me), Turkic tribes as well to forget the greatest nomadic civilisation ever!

That was unity of all Mongols.

fu-ks sake, MONGOL became a name for the ELITE warrior class, many warriors from Turkic tribes proudly called themselves MONGOL after distinguishing themselves in battle. It was not just a union of ALL Mongols, it was an ALTAIC UNION - and what fu-king happened during the Altaic Union? The fu-king world shat their pants.

No ,there were few bunch of turkic soldiers worked for money.Mongols conquered them and massacred that is all happened.You think they came and asked and talked about altaic unity ?
fu-kin lie $hit.They just affraid when Mongol Empire got power and rise. There is no such thing as Altaic unity .There is only interest !

What you planning to do? Stick to Pan-Mongolism even when Kalmykia and Mongolia is over a thousand miles apart? The only Turks completely wiped out were the Khwarmazians in Persia. Other Turks joined us either willingly or by force. Oirats joined the Mongols by force but look how fu-king great they were - fu-king General Subutai!

Oirats are just Mongols. thank you

To say Oirats are useless, is to say Subutai was useless - pffft, everyone fu-kin' knows Subutai was one of the best (if not THE BEST) general of the Mongol armies. In any case, I can say a hundred things about the nation of Mongolia from a Kalmyk point of view - but you're just a troll. So fu-k it.

to have a different opinion doesn't mean i,m a troll.You are might be the one with your Altaic Unity dream !

YOU ACT LIKE HUJAA!!!
Dont even call yourself a legendary MONGOL!

So many of your threads you sing their tune, so many of your posts you sing the tune of your Polish-assimilated buttfu-ked @$$ in regards to NON-NOMADIC RACIALISM AGAINST OTHER ALTAIS.

UNITED - NOTHING can fu-king stop us, FROM THE PACIFIC OCEAN TO THE BLACK SEA. NOTHING, fu-kING NOTHING could stop us. You wish to continue this division? I guess my ancestors should call themselves SLAVS then? Yes, we should continue to fight against other Altaics. Khalhka and Oirats should continue the fu-king civil war for the last how many centuries? FIVE F-CKING CENTURIES and look what happened in the process?

Be fu-king realistic, our only hope of survival is reunion of ALL those born from the Altai Mountains, Mongols and Turks. THIS is the reality.