Other Altaics like Turks? No? They too Europeanised/Islamified?
Who then? Russia? China? Koreans? Japanese? Americans? Irish? Africans? Loch ness monsters?

F-CK this

Russia,Japan,Korea,USA,

I'd say Turks, other Altaics, us . True, there are some Turks who are too arabized, but they are in the minority, they are the islamists. Other Turks, Muslim or not, wouldn't be considered too 'Islamified' or Europinized. Russia and the U.S only work for their own benefits, they could never be true friends. I would include the Japanese and Koreans along with the Turks as well.

What ?Are you out of mind? Do you have any knowledge about geopolitic or something like that ? Are you even Mongolian ? Who said turks are our friends in there ?

First of all, I have enough information about Geopolitics, thank you. Second of all, do YOU have any information about geopolitics and history, and culture. If you do, then you would know that the Turkic countries and peoples of Central Asia live right next to, as they have always for centuries, Mongolia and the Mongolian tribes. The Turkic culture is very similar to that of the Mongols, whether it be the nomadic lifestyle, the skills on the horse or archery.

Also, to say that Turks are middle-eastern arabs is a completley false arguement, as that is not the case at all. The Turks are Central Asians, like the Mongols, who emigrated to Anatolia. If you've ever been to Turkey, you'd see that beside a hand full of crazy islamists, we do not look like arabs at all. That's right, WE. If you were just a little more careful in reading my first post, you would see that I never said I was Mongolian, instead, I said that I was Turkish.

I also know plenty of Mongolians who see Turks as not only friends, but brothers. Quite frankly, you're the first anti-Turk Mongolian that I have ever met!

You asked 'who do you think are the friends of the Mongols?', and I said Turks. I'm not saying anybody else said Turks, so I don't get the part of your post that says 'who said Turks are our friends in there'.

No More Turk Turk omg i'm tired of this !

Hey! It's you again . Your post doesn't make sense, now you want to wipe out the whole Turkish race ?

You just STFU about this tuk thing. Thank you I don't need your opinion about tuks here. fu-k this tuk tuk

Hey, just leave me alone, I don't want to have anything to do with you and your weird anti-Turkish racism.

Hey Kazak

read news

ballot of NalaikhPolling stations have closed in all of Mongolia and counting is underway, but the results are not expected soon.
This election is the first time a new voting system has been implemented. The new system is a rather complicated districtional system. In elections until now every constituency elected one member of parliament. The new system consists of considerably less constituencies but adds the novelty of several seats available in every one of them. The new ballots thus require voters to circle 3 or 4 candidates depending on the seats available.
The new system poses challenges on every level. First voters are not yet used to circling multiple candidates and especially the number of candidates can cause some confusion. Reports have come in of people circling either too little or too many candidates. In the latter case the vote becomes invalid. The second challenge comes from the counting of the votes. The old fashioned method of piling up votes for the different candidates doesn't work anymore since one ballot is casting votes for several candidates. The election committee has announced that the results might not be available today yet.
As for the actual results there are claims that the MPRP have secured a majority of votes in the countryside where 50 of the 76 seats are up for grabs.

Kazak - Turkish, same thing, don't see why you're calling me Kazak know, but whatever. Once again, a post that doesn't make sense.

So why are you here ?I didn't ask you to be here.Nobody forced you to be here.

hehe

YouAgain/U.C.P. is being driven crazy by Turks

Damn you ppl i have nothing against Turks but this man is bubbling !

Man, what are you talking about?! If you truly had nothing against Turks, then you wouldn't have attacked me when I said Turks and Mongols should be friends! That's all I said and you just went crazy, and you don't have anything against Turks, sure...

@Nano

I know you are a full supporter of Turanism brother, but when it comes to it, from what I've seen - it has to be non-threatening (so the world will stop pinning the nazi label on us), realistic (days of empires are over since world war II), intellectual (missing controversies have to be dealt with)

Controversial links (The rest proven):
- Uralic connection with the Altaic
- Finno-Ugric connection with the Altaic
- Hungarian connection with the Altaic
- Korean and Japanese connection with the Altaic

With the C.A.U. already being formed and Mongolia being invited - for the government to join such a union will mean lots of screw ups with Russia and China. Also, there has to be more small steps first - reality is that it is our habit and almost a cultural ritual to fight each other for the role of Khaan. And democracy? Does it really work for us? NO! We need a strong leader, not a bunch of leaders arguing and arguing. Who's going to lead us? Turkey? Pffft no Mongol will accept that - you know how we are.

There's also the issue of religion. This isn't the days where Nestorian Christians or Sufi Muslims are living side by side with Tengriists anymore. These are the days of Evangelical Catholic/Protestant Christians and Fanatical Sunni Muslim Fundamentalists. Even our closest cousins the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz have their own problems and some ignorant Kazakhs claim CHINGGHIS KHAAN AS THEIR OWN You know the reality of things.

And if we rush everything it'll just fall apart just as quickly. Education is a start, and yes we still see each other as cousins but UNITY? This is a feat for a Khaan. We can all make steps towards it but we need a leader.

I agree with you brother, you're right, we have to live in today's world, not yesterday's, and that means facing many of the facts such as the fact that we can't just carve up an empire with the sword anymore. You're right with the contorversies, some people believe them, others don't. Education, like you said, is one of the first steps. But how open minded are people? Since you're Mongolian, I'd like to ask you, what is the opinion of most Mongolians towards Turks? I hope that people like YouAgain are in the minority, and I believe them to be from the other Mongols I've spoken too.

We do need a new, strong leader. A new Khaan, but who is he going to be and where is he going to come from?

YouAgain/U.C.P. is a troll, the entire Mongol forum hates him. But we can't get rid of him - this forum is almost completely unmodded. Bah!

Mongols still feel the connection with other Altaics, however - I can speak from experience that not all support unity. I am Dzungar, Oirat Mongol - Grandfather from Kalmykia, Russia. There are very few Oirats, but if you know our history - we've been fighting Muslim Turks for years and not just Kazakhs but during the Kalmyk Khanate in Russia we fought against the Ottoman Turks and other Turks FOR the treacherous Tsars. There is still tension between the two Altaic tribes because of this, tension between Oirats and Khalkha Mongolians as well. However, on the plus side, there is an Oirat/Halh I know who absolutely supports Altaic unity.

Yes we must be realistic, individually we can not stand to the nations of Europe or Asia, but UNITED we can. The age of the Altai did not end in the 13th century, as many may think. Civil wars occured left right and center sure but while it was happening during the colonial era Ottoman Turks colonised almost HALF of Europe, and Japan (though link controversial) defeated Russia, Britain, U.S. and European powers at their own game of modern warfare.

Each of us Altaics left a permanent mark in history. The Koreans and Japanese claiming relation to the Altai though - as you said - is still controversial. However, I am open-minded to any knowledge regarding the link - as everyone well knows Japan is a fully developed country nowadays. Though nationalist and racial pride has been lost by the American occupation after the 2nd world war - there is yet hope for Japan in that regard and they ARE an economic power, one that can also aid Turania and Central-Asia in the future times. Japan were once a proud people, how sad the realities of their majority mentalities. Only nation to have been nuked in history.

As for us Central-Asians history has proven time and time again that everytime we were united the entire world quaked in utter fear, yet for 500 years ever since the Great Khaan's death we have been fighting each other - FOR FOREIGN POWERS.

Our new Khaan has to follow the teachings of the first Great Khaan, Khaan of all Khaans - Chingghis Khaan. Just a modern version. In Khalkha arrogance us Oirats were not descendant of Chingghis, therefore we were not fit to rule the steppes - result of the pathetic civil war that wiped out over half of my people, dispersed Oirats around the world, and forced Khalkha Mongolians to be subject to the Manchurian Empire - which later became modern China. In truth, a Chingghisid is required - but a strong, wise, and smart Chingghisid. Kazakhs are direct descendants through the first son of Chingghis - Jochi. They have as much claim as any other Mongol Chingghisid - I believe that.

However yes - education is required. We will not follow the mistakes of our ancestors. No longer shall there be Tatar Cossacks becoming Russified and be used by Russia to expand into Siberia, No longer shall Oirats and Khalkha Mongolians fight each other for control over Mongolia, No longer shall Kalmyks fight against other Turanid cousins like Muslim Turks, no longer shall the Altaic nomads of the steppes fight each other - NO MORE. We've done enough damage for ourselves, our power USED by foreigners like Russia and China.

Chingghis Khaan was a great leader who united all Altaics. Our new leader must be smart, cunning, strong, brave, and able to prove himself worthy of the title Khaan. He must be able to forge an Altaic Union in the 21st century - an Altaic Federation. Unless one of us is to be our future leader (Not me - I am Dzungar) - all we can do is pave the way.

Hey Unholymarsh how can you say that you're Mongolian,huh? You cannot speak even Mongolian you never been there and you have no right to represent Mongolia now STFU
Nobody care about these turkey people. Only thing we need is united Mongolia ! Wtf are you talkin about what tell me once again ? What Altaic what ? Whaaat ? No Mongolians think of it !

Should I call myself Russian then? fu-k off troll

This is your prob;lem Kazak !

Speaking from a ignorant Polish dude - with NO supporters here on Mongol forum, I consider that a compliment

I.m faithful in my opinion.Nobody can change it ! Hey Kazak i think you are in depression at last time drink some vodka Kazak

Faithful in your opinion - which no one supports. Only out of your words which no one supports.

Pathetic

Every Mongolians dream is United Mongolia !

YouAgain, quit spamming, we're trying to have a decent conversation here. Go bother someone else.

So is MINE

Then stop talk about this Turkey people.It is not cool!

Turanians have fought within themselves throughout history, we have been used by the imperials against each other, and it is as unfortunate as it is true that fight within nomadic tribes is (or was) in our culture. Even today, may it be relegion, political ideals, or even football, Turanians can easily fight each other and many times do (though no longer in open wars). The thing is, we have to stop. Today, we know about our relations, we know that war within us will only lead to harm.

Education is very important, it is crucial, but also easier in our day. Through education, we will reach our goals. Education is the best weapon we have against our enemies, the days of interfighting are over.

Or just me VS YouAgain (U.C.P.)

Education to make the ideals of Altaic Unity the ideals of the majority - that's the key. The C.A.U. has not included Turkey yet - one step at a time. It is a start however. If we focus on just the already known Altaic links - Mongols and Turks - Turanism will be far less controversial for our people. Hungary, Finland, Korea, and Japan - they are far down the track. Historical, archaelogical, and genetic links must be proven. I've heard that 70% of Finnish people still share the Y-Chromosome and are part of Haplagroup C3 in DNA - but I have to look for the study when I have the time. Though hell even the Native-Americans have more DNA lineage to the Altai then modern Korea/Japan/Hungary and Finland. Rushing into such a union which is simply just too big will crumble just as fast. Another way to make this less controversial is instead they claiming themselves as Altaic - stick to their already known roots - Finno-Ugric, and then progress from there.

You're spot on bro.
Grouping rest of Altaic, Finno-Ugric that includes Hungary, Finland, Turkey, and Japonic are long shot. They are no longer should be included in Mongolic or central asian lines.

INHO; Mongolian should be group with Inner Mongolian, Central asian and Koreans.
Japanese were from altaic background long long time ago, their genes are now more closer to Chinese/Pacific islanders (Ainu/Malay) than being Mongolic-Altaic.

Please don't forget to distinguish between Turkic and Turks in modern Turkey. They are two different people; only Turkic people in central asia can be called Altaic now, modern Turks are completely different group of people now even with some minorities are from Mongolic background.

Looking at the geopolitics, I think Mongolia should play cards with Russian and American to get benefits from two superpowers. Also, you guys need to wait for Korean unification; once Korea is united there will be completely different geopolitics will take place.

Btw, Native Americans are now under European-American influence; they are not in the mood for being Altaic.

Cheers

The problem with these controversies, is that so many Koreans, Japanese, Finnish and Hungarians (especially the latter) are proud to declare their Altaic roots though much is still unproven. For me to support Turania in such a degree I need proof - not that I wish to doubt them, it's because I take Altaic unity seriously, I'm not going to promote such a union unless there is utter and undisreputable proof of their links to the Altai Mountains. You're right though - native-Americans are native-Americans now, they are simply not ready to be part of Turania no matter how strong the links and DNA evidence is.

Koreans are still just as controversial as Hungary, Finland and Japan. They are sinofied, sedentary and though yes - their founding father was from the Manchurian steppes, they have completely integrated into Sino-Chinese culture and intermixed with non-Altais. One debatable topic is always that Altaic beliefs is to NEVER GIVE A FLYING fu-k about race - however, blood can really cause a lot of problems as the reality shows. With blood - culture and lifestyle can be directly influenced. There's a saying - "Conquer a woman, and generations down the track the woman will conquer you", result is Korea, Japan, Hungary, Finland and Turkey. Culturally there are so much frictions. From now on if we keep ramming foreign women - we have to be SURE of where their HEART lies - for the Altai or not. Best bet is also to move the family to an Altaic nation, in Mongolia or the Stans to raise our children.

The thing is - though south Korea is rising, and Japan is already a developed and powerful country - their culture is making it difficult to integrate into Turania. In Mongolia we DESPISE Korean missionaries, and with both Korea and Japan many of the Sino-influenced and Euro-influenced ways such as racialism, sedentarism and sexism are making it difficult for us to hold them in high regard.

Same problem with Turkey as you said, the islamification of the country and kurdisation is very real. It's difficult to even call them Turks now though they are the most well known. However, not all have fallen from their ancestry - Nano himself is Turkish from Istanbul, he knows his ancestry well, he knows our relations VERY well. Racial purity is not our way - there are no purebloods since a long time ago in central-Asia. Even Mongols today are growing pisshair (no offense ) - and yet while it's easy to accept a Mongol with Altaic facial characteristics with pisshair - Kurdish-looking Turks are so hard to be called Altaics. They, like other Turks however - still share the same genetic DNA with Mongolic Altais.

Playing the cards of Russia and America is a dangerous game, but we have to be sure to know that they can only be political friends, but brothers - not a chance. Look at Korea - the Americans managed to keep North and South divided. Look at Vietnam - the Americans LOST the war, and Vietnam is united as a full country. Forget all the Capitalist/Communism propaganda they still seek to push, the Americans were the only country to use atomic weapons yet they declare themselves a "moral" country. They bombed the $hit out of Afghanistan and Iraq and they called it a f-cking righteous crusade! Russia is so much weaker then America or China now, the federation itself is struggling to rebuild the country - however, they are still nuclear-armed.

OMG so you completely agree with the fact that mongols are now different to turks and all the other people in between.

I agree with you, Koreans, Fins, Japanese very different, culture, integration...

Hazaras integration into Afghan muslim Shia culture. Blood is watered down with Persian and Pashtun.

It only gets less and less mongolian as we head. You contradict yourself brother!

OMG so you completely agree with the fact that mongols are now different to turks and all the other people in between.

I agree with you, Koreans, Fins, Japanese very different, culture, integration...

Hazaras integration into Afghan muslim Shia culture. Blood is watered down with Persian and Pashtun.

It only gets less and less mongolian as we head west. You contradict yourself brother!

Not once have I contradicted myself

I'm realistic, yet never pessimistic. When you Chinese go into a foreign nation, you don't even have to be MIXED to assimilate. Yet when we go into foreign nations, fu-k foreign women. Even our descendants though completely different want to be part of Turan. The diversity is what makes Turania - it is something sedentary people like you chinaman will never understand for the above reason.

again with the chinese accusations lol

Man when you get half white half asian, the kid usually also wants to claim he is part asian or part white. Brooklyn Carter on here says she is part Turkish even though she is probably a blond blue eyed white gal.

American white guys dont deny there native american roots...

What your talking about isnt uniquely some inherent altai concept bro lol!

Funny I'm more Slavic then Tatar, yet do I favor my Slavic side? How about you guys? You get mixed with a bit of non-asian, you reject anything to do with Asia

There is accepting roots - then there is utilising your roots for Altaic glory - something you will never understand

You notice how i am not as passionate about this as you. Its because i know i am Mongol. Its why white people arnt insulted when they get racially insulted by a black or hispanic. But not the other way around.



That explains it then.



No because you want to vicariously feel the glory of the mongols. I dont blame you. You cant do this because you are not Mongol so you add in all these other non mongols so you can.




I notice you like to use the statement 'something you will never understsand' a lot. You use that to justify your half baked and inaccurate points of view. Brother...you need to make sense. Shouting at people isnt going to make your bull$hit smell less.

Another chinaman who claims himself a Mongol, heh who 'fantasises about being a Mongol horseman'

Most of the Mongol members here were banned, now I guess the Chinese are utilising this to create "puppet Mongols" on this forum.

Do you think other Mongols think like you? Your racialism against Turks/Hazaras/Blacks even, your aim to isolate Mongolia from their brothers and sinofy it into China and the rest of Asian culture - your heart is that of hujaa - if you even know what that means.

You probably fantasize it just as much as me. From the looks of things you fantasize about it probably even more.

Steps of Altaic unity are already being made, it is no dream, it was before, not now no longer. If you want to isolate Mongolia, we'll destroy ourselves. It is not our way to build walls that can be seen from the moon (China-style). I used to reject any non-Mongol link to the Altaic as well but not now after meeting enough of them. Ne ways I don't know who you are - check your pm box.

why would we want to 'fantasize about being mongol horseman' we are proud to be sedentary ~ one of the greatest ancient contributor of art, literature, and science to the world ~ that 'fantasy' doesnt make sense at all, xiongnu, xianbei, wuhuan, khitan manchu and evenk are all sedentary now wonder why.

Proud to be sedentary - of course





Very proud to be sedentary

well better than these:



oh look today's karakorum:



what happened to the whole nomadic things, can you unpack those houses and block buildings and move them along with the herds ? you pathethic hypocrite, those sedentary people of ulaanbataar are pathethic people really ! Do you own a computer ? or are you using a computer in the moveable lan cafe yurt ? I wonder if your house is a yurt ? If not dont even bother to comment about 'sedentary people'. Mark my words, chinese people would never dream to be a 'mongol horsemen' why should we abandon our long, advanced and complex tradition back to where we started 8000 years ago ~ qiangic nomad.

well said

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Ha, a scene from a movie, great stuff - of course we killed people - you think you're innocent of that? But why did we kill people? You asked for war - and you paid the price. Why did you kill people? Or DEFORM people? Because they were 'in the way' when your emperor's wagon was riding through the streets, deforming your women's feet out of fashion? Haha, pathetic

Have the Chinese never moved houses or travelled at least interstate in their lives? Well considering the level of ignorance of the Chinese on this forum of course you're all sedentary and proud lol. You Chinese sedentarised before you can even make a culture out of nomadism.

Nowadays nomadism is not about riding around on horseback pitching up tents anymore, nomadism is a mindset. Mongolians in Ulaanbaatar still have the heart of nomads. The cultural beliefs and way of thinking is completely different to Chinese sedentarised confucian culture. Nomadism doesn't always have to be moving physically from place to place. But it always has to be moving, everything has to be progressive, never stagnant. Stagnation brings sickness, brings death, brings sloth, and brings patheticness. Everything we put our mind into it is our commitment to finish it until the end as best we can - this brings progress. Progress, not stagnation - is nomadic culture.

The word "Sedentary" itself is akin to American fat people - they don't go anywhere, they don't do anything. They end up killing themselves with heart failures. Same thing with those who do not have goals they are willing to achieve - stagnation, doing $hit all. That achieves nothing, that progresses nothing.

You mean moving to apartment and apartment looking for jobs to pay your bills ? that should be nomadic lifestyle i guess. Ahieves nothing lol ? Nomad vs Chinese inventions ? I think thats a mismatch or no contest actually ~ your people cant even built karakorum without the help of chinese engineers. I think you should not distort the language of the english, a sedentary nation, try to learn a little bit before you create another meaning for the word nomad:

Nomadic people, also known as nomads, are communities of people that move from one place to another, rather than settling down in one location.

when you move to any country and settled there that is called 'settling down' instead of moving back and forth, dont thank me btw ~ idiots like you really need help anyway, considering youre sitting down in front of computer instead of riding your horse and milking the sheep nomadic style. Told you once again, we chinese are descended from a group of nomads, which separated into three groups one stayed behind as semi-nomadic tibetans, one settled down and became the huaxia ancestors of the chinese and the other one is xiongnu/hun of central asia ~ fantasizing about being a mongol warriors will bring us back to 8000 years ago where we were still practicing nomadic lifestyle.

btw have you seen this mongolian food:




pretty familiar to me ~ I dont know we can produce wheat from herding

You need to stop posting really, youre killing me right now .. I cant stop laughing. I will give you friendly suggestion, why dont you try adopting to changes and build mongolia of today instead of wasting your time here trying to bring altaic people back 1000 years to genghis's time. I'm pretty sure genghis have the answer to all of your problems, afterall he resorted to silkroad trade and build a city called karakorum, smart man ~ I can see none of his smartness in you my brother.

There is no photo.Nomadic lifestyle is dying now so STFU