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Description:
The flag of Mongolia consists of three equal sized vertical stripes - the left and right stripes are red and the middle one is blue. On the left hand side of the Mongolian flag, in the red stripe is the country's national emblem which is a 'soyombo', a columnar arrangement of abstract and geometric representation for fire, sun, moon, earth, water, and the yin-yang symbol.


Mongolian Flag Meaning:
Blue is a traditional Mongolian color and it represents the sky. The red stripes initially represented Mongolia's socialist beliefs, but a modern interpretation means liberty and progress. The soyombo is a national emblem which contains individual symbolism within it. The fire at the top of it represents prosperity, contentment and regeneration. The three flames represent the past, present and future. The sun and moon symbolize the universe and are believed by Mongolians to be the mother (sun) and father (moon) of their nation. The triangles pointing at the ground are arrowheads and represent Mongolian's willingness to defend their nation. The horizontal rectangles stand for honesty, justice and righteousness. The middle circle can be interpreted as the Buddhist yin and yang symbol, which represents complementary opposite forces existing together in the universe - such as positive and negative, male and female, passive and active, fire and water, etc. The circle can also be interpreted as two fish that never close their eyes, representing the watchfulness and vigilance of Mongolians. The vertical rectangles represent pillars which symbolize strength, resolve and hardness.
Unholymarch
History of the Kalmyk Mongols have never been an easy one.

THIS - is what I feel our flag should look like in Kalmykia:



On the yellow field sky-blue circle. In it Cingis Khan’s gerfalcon in free flight. Underneath, nine yak tails - Mongol battle standard

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But NOOO, after ethno cleansing, religion, blah blah, it is now this:


With a LOTUS flower! *sighs*
YouAgain
YELLOW background is not good. Only Chinese prefer yellow !!!
Unholymarch
That's why Kalmykia needs allies - you think a tiny remnant state of Mongols can fend for itself as an independent land-locked nation in the Caucasus when surrounded by enemies? That's why we choose autonomy.

And to hell with Buddhism, it makes me sick that we still worship the religion that fu-ked up our people - and its flower! And it's colors - YELLOW SECT Buddhism.

NOTE: The first flag was in use until the genocide during WW2 after some of our guerillas killed Russians for with Nazi Germany.
YouAgain
Buddha is no problem There is also cool thing in Buddhism when time comes everyone should unite with spirit and fight till to the end.Buddhism said and accepted Genghis Khan as a God.
I know My Kamlyakia bro's situation.Dun worry if there is same interest we can ally.
Buddhism is not pain is our method against HAN CHINESE CUlTURE !!!
Unholymarch
Buddhism is a religion, and don't tell me $hit like "Buddhism" is a philosophy because YELLOW SECT Buddhism is why Cebdenjab killed Dzungar children simply because we burned down a few temples when Galdan Khaan invaded Mongolia.

Sure have buddhism, but never let it influence the mind of our leaders - that is totally fu-ked thinking. Other Altaic states have made that mistake already and they are now struggling to get rid of it.
YouAgain
ok .But i understood Galdan Boshigt Khan was great figure of history.HE was Lama first and then became king laugh.gif It is like quite different story than UCP changed into YouAgian laugh.gif
Unholymarch
Some of our leaders were stupid ever since the passing of our Great Khaan - you know this. They adopted any religion they liked for political goals with no thought of how it will effect their people one or two or ten generations down the track.

Galdan Khaan was great sure, he was Khaan of us Oirats, but he made a mistake - only we whom are Oirat descendants can realise this. I doubt he would have known.
YouAgain
History has no question like .. what if only ... Only thing we can do is learn history.
Unholymarch
I've learnt history enough to say 'fu-k buddhism'
YouAgain
I was like you before but i,m smart man after learning hard i understood one thing. The religion is not that case !
Unholymarch
When religion becomes theocratic, when there is no balance, when it causes strife, when it causes division, when it influences the minds of our future leaders, religion IS a case.
YouAgain
In Buddhism there is no god my friends Mongolian buddhism has his own elements it contains many shamanistic elements laugh.gif
Unholymarch
Hmmm... I think I see your plan, good. As long as you do it properly, then all good.
YouAgain
Oh My Mongolia beerchug.gif
GokTuul
QUOTE(Unholymarch @ Jul 6 2008, 09:22 AM) *
Hmmm... I think I see your plan, good. As long as you do it properly, then all good.


Thx Unholy, I've known about the symbolism and in my mind that is the only flag of pan Mongolia laugh.gif

Buddhism has its place in Mongolia since Mongolia is the only truly Buddhist place Chinese can't say they are buddhists since they are oppressors of tibet and Dalai Lama will never be born in China. If only there was a substitute for Buddhism but there isn't Islam or Christianity are too extreme and realistically Shamanism will never be mainstream it had a chance if Chinngis Khan never killed off his friend and spiritual leader. I would like to say Mongolians don't have need for a religion but the people need something to guide them and in a democracy there is nothing else.

Unholymarch
^ Read the Dzungar thread on the history section please - on page 1
GokTuul
QUOTE(Unholymarch @ Jul 6 2008, 09:59 AM) *
^ Read the Dzungar thread on the history section please - on page 1


ok I just read it ...

I also found this interesting haha
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...&hl=history
Unholymarch
As you can see Buddhism isn't as innocent as many claim it to be. Our way is to be religiously tolerant but no religion should ever contradict with our morals and principles - for religion is secondary to that. Shamanism is our ancient root and it can work - I believe that. I'm not saying we should burn down all the temples and churches and mosques. Us Kalmyks have build many great monuments for Buddhism already - and it's a shame if we destroy it. However, we should not forget history and what Buddhism has caused us. Nor should religion get in the way of our flag in Kalmykia. In truth, I like the Mongolian flag better.
YouAgain
QUOTE(GokTuul @ Jul 6 2008, 11:24 AM) *
ok I just read it ...

I also found this interesting haha
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...&hl=history

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GokTuul
QUOTE(Unholymarch @ Jul 6 2008, 10:34 AM) *
As you can see Buddhism isn't as innocent as many claim it to be. Our way is to be religiously tolerant but no religion should ever contradict with our morals and principles - for religion is secondary to that. Shamanism is our ancient root and it can work - I believe that. I'm not saying we should burn down all the temples and churches and mosques. Us Kalmyks have build many great monuments for Buddhism already - and it's a shame if we destroy it. However, we should not forget history and what Buddhism has caused us. Nor should religion get in the way of our flag in Kalmykia. In truth, I like the Mongolian flag better.


I know buddhism isn't the answer, like I said if it was up to me Mongolians would not need religion to maintain their ego and lead their lives since we have the greatest history in the world we could read the secret history of the Mongols. Tuva already is Shamanistic look how well it is going for them we need a more refined religion based on our traditions and our history incorporated into Shamanistic practices like Shinto
YouAgain
No Religion then public would be like in a vacuum.Morality would disappear !!!
Unholymarch
Start over from shamanism, then modernise it. Hell our culture already replaces the need for religion ne ways.
GokTuul
QUOTE(Unholymarch @ Jul 6 2008, 10:45 AM) *
Start over from shamanism, then modernise it. Hell our culture already replaces the need for religion ne ways.


Haha most Mongolians are already athiest icon_twisted.gif , There is already a huge admiration for Chinggis Khan you see everything is named after him, its already started there is a revival of Mongolian customs and shamanistic practices. The more developed we become we will create our own pride and religion, the only thing we need to do is help develop Mongolia faster and push back foreign influences. biggthumpup.gif
YouAgain
Shamans can fly can send their mind into the heaven.Shaman can pass through the wall.This talents based on personal.So we cannot use it in politic biggthumpup.gif
Unholymarch
Why not? icon_twisted.gif

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YouAgain
icon_twisted.gif This is fu-kin political Everything is political rockon.gif
Unholymarch
Flags of Mongol people



From left to right
1) Mongolia
2) Buryatai
3) Kalmykia
4) Inner-Mongolia
5) Hazarajat
6) Mughal
YouAgain
nice
AltaicUnity
QUOTE(YouAgain @ Jul 6 2008, 12:45 PM) *
No Religion then public would be like in a vacuum.Morality would disappear !!!


That was a really simple and uneducated comment, totally expected from the mental capacities of religious people. If having no religion is living in a moral vacuum, then how come the most religious countries in the world are mostly found in the poor, uneducated, and dangerous third world? And how come the most atheistic nations are found in Western/Northern Europe, Canada, and Japan? And how come the USA, the most religious of the industrialized countries, is also the stupidest and most dangerous/thug of the 1st world? Explain that retard.
Unholymarch
The people wish to believe in something, they can - our goal is to let them believe whatever they want - but make sure there is no state religion, or allow religion to influence the minds of our leaders and important people.

Besides, I believe in Tengriism, I don't care whether its true or not - I'll find out when I'm dead. However, I like our traditions and culture so on request when I die I hope to get buried in the open and my corpse fed to the wolves of mother nature.
tujue
The Mongolian flag is one of the coolest flag in the world

but i dislike the ying-yang thingy though
Unholymarch
Heh I don't like the buddhist element either - I don't like the lotus flower either on the Kalmyk flag.

How about this then? lol
It incorporates the flags of 4 mongol states

tujue
QUOTE(Unholymarch @ Jul 8 2008, 09:33 PM) *
Flags of Mongol people



From left to right
1) Mongolia
2) Buryatai
3) Kalmykia
4) Inner-Mongolia
5) Hazarajat
6) Mughal


the last one doesn't exist anymore icon_neutral.gif

QUOTE(Unholymarch @ Jul 9 2008, 10:50 AM) *
Heh I don't like the buddhist element either - I don't like the lotus flower either on the Kalmyk flag.

How about this then? lol
It incorporates the flags of 4 mongol states



this flag is cool but of bad quality
Unholymarch
QUOTE(tujue @ Jul 9 2008, 03:55 AM) *
the last one doesn't exist anymore icon_neutral.gif


Flag = No
People = Yes - meet one personally

QUOTE
this flag is cool but of bad quality


How about this then?

tujue
^baaaddddd quality and i'm bot realy feeling the design and don't get me started about the colours


ps mate anybody know old mongolian script

I have some stuff I want to use but it has to be proper you digg,
Unholymarch
lol just playing around with flags :P

Btw here:

http://www.linguamongolia.co.uk/alpha1.html
http://www.viahistoria.com/SilverHorde/mai...ghurScript.html
tujue
does anybody have a decent mongolian flag i mean of good quality jpg prefered

thank you

ps suby i didn't get my activation thing
Unholymarch
QUOTE(tujue @ Jul 9 2008, 10:52 AM) *
does anybody have a decent mongolian flag i mean of good quality jpg prefered

Thank you


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Mongolia.svg

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ps suby i didn't get my activation thing


O_-
Just got the admin to activate it for ya - it should work now
Try logging in
hanbaobao
QUOTE(YouAgain @ Jul 6 2008, 07:00 AM) *

Description:
... The middle circle can be interpreted as the Buddhist yin and yang symbol, which represents complementary opposite forces existing together in the universe - such as positive and negative, male and female, passive and active, fire and water, etc.


Mind to give us a reliable source that states the yin-yang symbol is of buddhist origin? I'm sure you are just pulling this out of your @$$. embarassedlaugh.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_yang
Unholymarch
YouAgain icon_rolleyes.gif

Peace in the world eh? Pffft, there's no peace on this forum, let it be known.
The symbol originally meant chinamen surrounded by 2 forts and arrowheads penetrating straight through it.
hanbaobao
QUOTE(Unholymarch @ Jul 9 2008, 12:37 PM) *
The symbol originally meant chinamen surrounded by 2 forts and arrowheads penetrating straight through it.


Source?
Unholymarch
Learn Mongolian n hear them talk
hanbaobao
QUOTE(Unholymarch @ Jul 9 2008, 01:37 PM) *
Learn Mongolian n hear them talk


OK, no sources and out of your @$$. embarassedlaugh.gif
kunomchu
if mongolians can call chinese chinamen, I can call mongolians barbarians.

Dokbokki
QUOTE(kunomchu @ Jul 10 2008, 08:35 AM) *
if mongolians can call chinese chinamen, I can call mongolians barbarians.


To me Chinamen or China men are non offensive unless it's like g0.0.ks or cH!n-K now that's offensive
So you like them to call you Chinese man? what's so offensive about China man?

Koreamen, Japanmen, Mongoliamen - see no offensive are they?
kunomchu
QUOTE(Dokbokki @ Jul 9 2008, 08:39 PM) *
To me Chinamen or China men are non offensive unless it's like g0.0.ks or cH!n-K now that's offensive
So you like them to call you Chinese man? what's so offensive about China man?

Koreamen, Japanmen, Mongoliamen - see no offensive are they?


don't act stupid. Chinaman has been used as a derogatory term for quite awhile.

Dokbokki
QUOTE(kunomchu @ Jul 10 2008, 10:44 AM) *
don't act stupid. Chinaman has been used as a derogatory term for quite awhile.


Here read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman

Yeah I know what do meant, but to me it's not offensive. May be it's offensive if Americans called you Chinaman
but normally asians don't use this as slur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
kunomchu
QUOTE(Dokbokki @ Jul 9 2008, 08:53 PM) *
Here read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman

Yeah I know what do meant, but to me it's not offensive. May be it's offensive if Americans called you Chinaman
but normally asians don't use this as slur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs


Maybe because you are not Chinese. icon_wink.gif
Mid-Night_Sun
interesting tid bid. if you want to translate, you can call us middle kingdom man. icon_smile.gif
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