I heard from a friend that Hmong people used to have blue eyes and blonde hair until they started marrying chinese people. My friend said she saw this one show about the Hmong people on tv a couple of years ago. I find that kind of hard to believe. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

It sucks because Hmong people don't have a country and their are no written texts anywhere that states Hmongs where abouts. [sigh]

Not even most Europeans have blue eyes and blonde hair, why would a people in Asia have those traits?

I've seen a few with blonde or reddish hair and blue eyes. I always thought it was a gene mutation until I came to AF and reading more about the topic. It might be true, but I'll need some hard facts before I believe it.

^were they children?

Some children don't produce a lot of their melanin (blue eyes and blonde hair = absence of melanin) until they get a bit older.

It'ts totally different from Nordic peoples who are permanently blonde and blue eyed.

A few were small children, others were "kids" I saw during my years in high school. I haven't seen any adults yet, but there could be some.

Hmm, interesting. I've seen children who are girls have blondish hair and even a teenage girl! but never have I seen a Hmong person with blue eyes...unless they were wearing contacts. LOL. but anyways...I think it'll be cool to have blonde hair and blue eyes...haha, but that's just my opinion.

old topic. if you've been reading the posts like you said, such another same topic shouldn't exist.

if Asians have black hair and dark, brown eyes; and if Hmong are Asians, then Hmong have black hair and dark, brown eyes as a natural trait. must I also say, those are the dominant and common features.

now what the heck are they trying to say, Hmong are whites? rofl

I personally don't know where the blond hair, red hair, blue eyes, hazel eye and etc.. come from... but... let not be ignorant.. all of these are natural... they're not ALBINO (albino is a result of having very blonde to white hair, pinkish eyes and pale white skin)....

and no, these are not due to MALNUTRITION.... even some hmong adult have these physical characteristics.... some of their silbings have black hair and fair brown skin....

anyways... it's weird... -_-, there used to be a hmong guy during my highschool year and he has very reddish hair... his skin were even red... not red but look red... doesn't look tan, yellow or brown... his dad has it.. some of his siblings have it too.. weird..

gene mutation?

I've seen kids in the Philippines w/ blondish/reddish hair and green eyes. I asked my relatives how that happened and they said it's because they play in the sun too much. I've seen pictures of kids from all over SE Asia that have reddish or blonde hair. I know that Australoids (Negritos, Melanesians, Australian Aborigines, and certain ethnicities in India) are known to have instances of blonde hair. So some SE Asians w/ blonde hair could get it from Australoid ancestry. Just a thought.

all over SE Asia? You don't see any blue eyed blond hair Viet unless he or she is mixed with white

lol, maybe... i wonder where the blond hair genetic trait comes from.....

here are my 2 theories

1. a group of europoid or caucasoid people intermixed with the hmong... possibly from the HUI CHINESE in YUNNAN.... or other ethnic groups that carry that genetic trait.

2. french indo-china colonization in southeast asia.

play in the sun too much lead to damage hair and darker skin.

Yeah, but it can also lighten your hair. I dunno how they got green eyes though.

My friend Ku said Hmong didn't look Chinese until they mixed with them. I'm wondering if they looked like this a long time ago?

hm the second theory seems unlikely because Vietnam was the center of the colony but now you still don't see full blood Viet with blond hair and blue eyes ~ the first theory is more likely to happen

lol, it's weird because we have a saying, the prettiest hmong girls will be first pick by the chinese.. LOL
it's an old saying...


i wonder how the CHINESE back then tell the different between HMONG, MIEN and other ethnic groups in CHINA. lol

the Mien (Yao or Dzao) are closely related to us.. but it's weird because the Mien language sounds like Tai but they dress similar to Hmong.
Theory point out that they're from NORTHERN CHINA but they carry a saying about their homeland, GUANGXI.

hmmmmm.. the Zhuang speak a Tai language and they are mostly found in Guangxi Province where the Mien often mention that province..

anyways, I look very Chinese.. so, I may be mix with CHINESE..... all I know is that the Hmong came in contact with the Tujia, Bouyei, Dong, Zhuang, Southern Han and many ethnic groups in China.

Green eyes is very common among the IRISH (celtic people)....red hair, green eyes....

maybe..... because the Hui have a high rate of Caucasoid physical characteristics.

Do French people have blond hair? lol.. never met a french before.

i'm not sure

I haven't seen any Viet with blond hair/blue eyes though

vietnamese alert

STOP STALKING ME FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE

you're the one that keep fu-kin following me like a dog need a bone or something,

I've seen a Lao kid that had blond hair, not sure what his eye colors were, but his hair was pretty blond.

^ Same here---I saw a bunch of Lao kids with blonde highlights O.o

I went to a Hmong market with my parents in Laos and I noticed some
of the Hmong girls had natural light-toned hair (auburn/blonde) & freckles.

must be a SE Asian characteristic lol

playing in the sun too much does have something to do with it

could be a bad strain found in genes, again, genetic mutation or the in a biological sense, the chemical compounds, substances, etc. and capacity is far less potent. take for example the genotype ratio 3:1 in producing off-springs through mating. not every sperms makes it and so does not every genes can be paired complementary. just stuff that has to do with bio.

hi xeemlauj, i know you from youtube.. i think you're even in hmongza.

anyway, the second theory is a little hard for me to believe.. i'll reason that logically without any certain order.

1. from my understanding, even in this time of the year, a lot of conservative hmong parents don't like the idea of intermarrying. so, even today, if that is looked down on, how can it be approved then?

2.when did the french colonize SEA again? not too long, right? like 1800 something to 1900 something?
well, that must be a lot of intercourse going on to spread that blond/brunette genes that quick. you can't make so many blond hmong if only 2 or 3 of our great great hmong grandmother slept with french men. unless you would like to imagine that those 2-3 women slept with several hmong men to spread that blond genes, and i don't think that's a valid theory, knowing how hmong people hate that. that must mean, a lot of hmong women had to sleep with french men. why do i say a lot? compare blond hmong to blond lao, vietnamese, khmer.. how many other SEA have you seen with blond hair? .... in all my life time, and i've seen many lao, viet, khmer, i've only seen .... well ZERO! i've been to laos and thailand for a month, and i still didn't see one but for some reason at every hmong village, there had to at least be one walking around. strange, isn't it?
there are SEA (not including hmong) claiming to have seen blond other SEA (not including hmong). if that is true then blond hmong outnumbered them all by several times from what i've seen.

i think if the french men wanted to have intercourse, they would've done that in a bigger town or city, why up in the mountains where the hmong population is not comparable to the viet or lao?


3.backing up a little to the intermarriage thing. again, as first or second generations, we all should have heard our parents say don't marry dawb, dub, mev, etc a million times before.. and again, if it's not encouraged now, how could it have been encouraged then?
if hmong women did really sleep with the french, wouldn't that make their family and relatives lose face? would she had not been kicked out of the house, maybe? would she had not been forced to marry the french man, like how our custom is when you commit premarital sex? but where are the hmong women in france? how come hardly anyone has relative in france? why are the kids allowed to live, so they can bring shame to the family and mother and call her a nkauj fa? i know in vietnam, if you're mixed, people despise you.. what do they call those mixed kids again? i forgot, but there is a name for them to outcast them. it's sad.

hmm i think i had more to say but i forgot.. but enough for now. i shouldn't write too much too, it'll turn people away from having to read so much. i know i do that sometimes >_>U.


**if anyone finds anything that is not sound or illogical, let me know and i'll think that part over again. if i can't, then my case can shatter because of a speck of dust tainting it making it not salable. **

Hmong DNA is 100% Mongoloid, so the light hair does not come from any Caucasoid ancestry. Hmongs have Australoid lineage. Australian aboriginees and people from the Pacific Islands such as Samoans, Tongans, Melanesians have blonde and light colored hair. Pacific Islanders are descendants of Southeast Asians. My Samoan friends Mom is full blooded Samoan and she has natural light blondish red hair. So that theory of how Hmongs originated in Siberia and mixed with nordic caucasoids is out the window.
Melanesians:




As far as Hmongs relating themselves to Mongolians, Mongolians sometimes have blonde or red hair because they are 14% Caucasoid and even higher than that in some areas of Western Mongolia. Its been proven through DNA.

yea i remember watching on pbs about mongolian girl who had blonde hair and blue eyes and this geneologist(SP?) were like OMG these are the traits of the lost tribe that disappeared in asia who were once great horse riders and etc....pretty sure she had no idea wat she was talking about

are hmong people supposed to be southeast asians like vietnamese people?

and i don't know how much the french could have accounted for that. it's not like they're overwhelmingly blond either, toward the north i think you find that more often though

Hmong people do not have Australoid lineage.

It's possible for Asians to have blonde hair blue eyes.

My uncle has blue eyes. I was born with blonde hair. And I'm pretty sure no where in my family tree have we ever married other races.

Even if our ancestors and parents prohibited intermarrying, would it be that our hmong men married other ethnic groups? Dna have shown that our paternal lineage have northern Dna while our maternal lineage have southern Dna. Would it be the migration that our ancestors went through; when they fled their original homeland in the north all the way to the south???

we have been subjugated to the Yi as slaves for hundred of years which is why we carried such saying Mab Suav. Another point why I stated the Hui Chinese, the Hui Chinese have high caucasian-like physical characteristics. There are Hui living in Yunnan who rebelled against the Qing just like the Miao in Yunnan and other provinces that also rebelled against the Qing Armies.

btw, I don't go into hmongza. LOL

DNA reveals EVERYTHING. Where people came from, who they are related to, everything. I remember reading a DNA study on the ethnic minorities of South and Southwest China, and all of those ethnic groups were pure blooded 100% Mongoloid, with exception of the Hui (Chinese Muslims whom had 5-10% West Asian DNA). I remember reading Miao's were genetically related to the Yao people (Mien). No Nordic Caucasoid blood in the Miao at all. So take that white caucasian wannabe theory somewhere else, cause everyone on Asiafinest, and the whole world is just laughing at you people. Be proud of who you are. Miaos have a long rich history and a beautiful culture.

As far as Mongolians are concerned, there have been numerous studies of descendants of Genghis Khan, and his descendants carry the "Y Chromosome" that ranges from China all the way to England. Miao's of China do not have that Y Chromosome. The highest concentration and population of the "Y Chromosome" outside of Mongolia is found among the HAZARA TRIBE OF AFGHANISTAN. Just because you guys had a Miao princess named "Mao Gai Lia" does not mean you are from Mongolia And also Tat-C is the Chromosome of the Ancient Mongolians, Xiongnu, and Siberian people such as the Yakut. And believe it or not Tat-C has been found among the Sami(Mongolic looking people) of Northern Finland, Miaos did not even have the Tat-C chromosome in their DNA!!!! Which means Miaos are not descendants of these people.

Mongolians dont even refer to themselves as Mongolians. Mongolia is an English word. They refer to themselves by their tribe name such as Sartul's, Oirat's Khalka's, etc. All those tribes speak their own dialect of the Mongolian language.

So to wrap it up, the blonde or other light colored hair the Miao possesses does not stem from ancient caucasoid ancestry, as DNA proved that Miaos do not have any!!!! As I stated earlier, Pacific Islanders such as Samoans, and Tongans also have the same colored hair as the Miao. Australian aboriginees also have blonde hair. Scientist to this day still do not have a concrete theory on why these peoples hair are blonde, but one thing that is concrete is that all Polynesians are descendants of Southeast Asians and Southern Chinese.

Be proud of who you are. No need to go claiming relations to other ethnic groups without any evidence. It only makes you people look ignorant.

This is a lost chapter from the Book of Mormon?

I swear, you present these Hmong/Miao's with cold har genetic DNA genetic evidence of the truth of what and who they really are but yet they do not want to believe you.

They wanna believe that they are descendants of Mongolians, they wanna believe that they are descendants of nordic caucasians of siberia. *shurgs* To each its own i guess.

First of all, I am sick of the GENETIC CRAPS you people are trying to prove. DNA prove craps because did these people who conducted these studies actually measure and take samples of every single Miao individuals???

Stop using stupid Western ways of stating such... No wonder some courts let go of HIGH PROFILE MURDERERS and OFFENDERS... due little evidences. I just think this is stupid. DNA this, DNA that... yes, we share DNA with TREES, ANIMALS and other RACES...

all these O2, o3 or whatever they are, I need some serious proof what these strand stand for????? and why it is that certain groups are label with these markers????????????????????????????????

Hmong are not from Mongolia, Siberia... they are from China.. but I'm asking, where did this trait comes from?????

Cold genetic EVIDENCE???????? there are thousand of experts sharing and presenting different facts, opinion and etc.. on these issues. It's like saying, all races came from Africa, by anthropologists acknowledging this, there will be no RACIAL SUPERIORITY.... and by this I mean...

according to the Eastern Anthropologists, all races evolved during the same stage in different areas... while the Westerners believe and want people to believe that the Caucasoid and Mongoloid are from Africa and they split somewhere along the line.

It's funny because the Eastern perspective on Early Human makes more sense.....

even my anthropologist professor stated that the reason why they want people to choose the Western Theory is because so no other races would feel superior over the other.

What have we been learning in these WESTERN COUNTRIES??? we learn that the European invented technology, morals, arts, writing and etc.... yet, we have forgotten the other side; our EASTERN PHILOSOPHY, IDEOLOGY and etc.....

they only want you to hear what they want you to know and see. <== that's what westerners want you to know...


I am sick of these DNA CRAPS..
it bugs me because it doesn't make any senses.. yes, I know we're not homogenous, but some are due to adoption, mixing, migration, and etc....


It just like the HMONG are label under SINO-TIBETAN according to the CHINESE, but then the Westerners believe HMONG should be under it own category.. ROFL....

Hmong languages once classified under ALTAIC.. but share nothing close to MONGOLIAN, TUNGUSIC tongues... Hmong have been put under TIBETo-BURMAN and even TAI-KADAI.. and AUSTRO....

yes, very confusing...

impossible everyone came from africa. that's cold hard scientific fact backed up by tons of evidence

What? If Hmong are 100% Mongoloid, then how can they have Australoid lineage?

Oh well, Im done presenting evidence. No one has a right to bash other peoples beliefs. If Hmongs want to believe that they are descendents of blonde nordic caucasian siberians, or are a lost tribe of israel, than no one should argue with their beliefs. More power to them.

Im just surprised that the blonde Pacific Islanders havent considered themselves as descendents of nordic warriors either.

Not all evidence can prove to be 100 percent correct. It may be around 60-80 percent comparatively. While some or most other evidence will be thrown out in future researches, not all facts should be taken seriously. Why I say it will be thrown out? Researchers are always finding new ways and new things (evidences) to present their studies. These theories, as they are, are only closest to its hypothesis. So, further updates will emerge. Another thing in relation to these researches happens to be a little bias. Then, there is the credentials of who the researchers are. How well informed, educated, and experienced are they? However, if someone can think for themselves and realize the actual fact is, we are not intermixed with caucasian lineage. It is very possible Hmong were, in a small proportion, could have interbred with caucasian lineage. And, for those Hmong people who are desperate white wannabes, it's very sad because you have just thrown out all of what your ancestors and long gone great grandparents efforts to save your @$$. Goodluck anyway and goodbye.

LOL

Now here's a guy who's trying to prove that Hmong people are Australoid people after having stated that:

^I finally agree with you on something!

To all those concerned about the myths and or legends of the Hmong people originally having blonde hair and blue eyes. It's not a legend nor a myth. It's very true. It's not a mutated gene nor a result in poor nutrition. In all actuality one could say that it is of the purest blood line of your descendants. The history of your people is steeped in persecution. For century's the Hmong have only wanted a place, a country to call their own. The Hmong word in it's self means "To be free".

There are so many folk tales regarding the migration of the Hmong people. Records indicate that Hmong inhabited Mongolia and far eastern China some 2000 years ago. Now the exact dates are not concrete. Other records state that the Hmong lived in China 's Hebei province in the 3rd millennium B.C. About 2,700 B.C. At this time the Han Chinese empire was moving into Hmong territory. Now if I am correct, I will edit and recheck this later the leader of the Hmong tribes was executed. And this is where the persecution truly began.

Becoming part or camouflaging yourself into society is a well known documented defense mechanism of the human psyche. How easily would it have been to distinguished from blonde haired blue eyed Hmong to the dominate black haired brown eyed Han? You can answer that for yourself. They went to great lengths to isolate your people. The southern great wall is one such depiction. The Chinese went to great lengths to achieve extermination. Particularly in the 1700's and 1800's. The Chinese suffered great loss's to the superior Hmong fighters. Ever relentless to settle in the most rugged mountainous terrain possible.

This is but a glimpse, a fraction of a second if you will in the history that your people have. But to say that your blonde haired blue eyed brothers and sisters are mutations is preposterous.

Edited in reference to my poor sense in direction.

^^ The Hmong/Miao people have never inhabited Mongolia nor farwestern China. Our ancestors can be traced back to the Jiuli tribe that resided in the plains and valleys of the Yellow River in northeastern China. After our defeat and the death of our king, our ancestors were forced to migrate to southern China where the majority of our people remains to this very day. Today, the Hmong/Miao people only live as far west (in China) as Sichuan and Yunnan.

How many research papers would you like in reference to Mongolia? And I meant Fareastern. I edited that, thank you for the correction.

Please forgive me that took a minute to find.

The survivors became a vast interwoven cultural group who dominated Southwestern China. The Hmong eventually extended their culture as far north as Mongolia, as far west as Tibet, east to the Red River Valley of North Vietnam and south into present-day Laos, Thailand and Cambodia.

Between 704 - 223 BC, the great Hmong kingdom of Chu existed in Yunnan. During a war that lasted two hundred years the great kingdom fell to Chinese rule and China was united. All known Hmong books were burned and those who dared use the Hmong language were punished by death. Another genocide campaign ensued. Hmong of those days are said to have had blonde hair and blue eyes, which was how they were easily pinpointed and killed. (Interestingly enough, there are many blonde-haired Hmong today). Hmong history was preserved onto pictorial quilts, known as pang dao, as they continued to flee in order to preserve their culture and freedom.

Enjoy Amara.

I would like all of them.