Mongolian!

cool, ive lived in uk for couple of years.

u and i need to bring back this topic to its original subject.

yep yep hehe

How come so many Mongolians like Rap music?
Do you think it has anything to do with how Mongolian music sounds?

not realli its just rap jus....wiked u know easy to floww

I'm a classical man myself. Rap music just doesn't suit my taste. However, I do like to listen to morinhuur solos and some other mongolian traditional music.

I have recently met a Mongolian girl. She really misses her country. She’s 18 and is kind of struggling at the moment but she is holding her own all alone. I’m wondering if you can give me a quick rundown on Mongolian etiquette. What to do and what not to do around a Mongolian girl. And anything else on how to try and understand her situation better to make her feel more comfortable. Thanks.

Shes cute for you yea?

Well, actually this is the only second time I have met her but she just seemed so sad telling her story. I kind of feel for her, you know. Oh, and yeah she’s alright in the looks department. 2

Go for it.

2 It really isn't about that. She came here when she was 16. Her family is back in Mongolia. She wishes she could be in school and feels that people look down on her. She needs to work because her family can't support her out here. She also plans to send money back home so that her parents can buy a house. When she talks about the country that she loves and misses people laugh because they don't know better. Living in a tent, taking baths in rivers is not a common thing in the US, well not anymore. She wants to go back home just to visit but she can't do that. She's doing the best she can out here but right now she's feeling a little down on her self.

Asked ben if he wanted to open a mongolian chat here!

Well then help her out.
Sounds like a love story to meeeeee

Na, love stories and me? They don’t go together.

You'll get her. She is going to like you.

i think mongolian language rhymes better than some other languages.
but i think it's because hiphop is fairly new to mongolia. mongolians are afterall very open minded.



i could give u few pointers. but i need to see the pictures of both of you. you know, just to see if u two go together or not.

Thanks. Here are more:

How do Mongolians feel about interracial relationships?
Who is the best Mongolian wrestler?
Can you post some more Mongolain entertainers up?

interracial relationships are very frowned upon, but thats not saying it is uncommon.

sorry, im not kept up to date on wrestling in mongolia. but i can say the best wrestler of all time would probably have to be Baterdene. he has been a grand champion more than dozen times, i think. outside of mongolia, i'd say asashoryu. he's been doing very well in sumo.

i'll see if i can locate any pictures of mongolian singers. i'll also try and add couple of songs. hiphop and all.

2 It's not even like that. I'm just trying to make her feel more comfortable. It would be really nice if you can give me a few pointers. So far all I know is that she really doesn't like when some one grabs her @$$.

dont touch her arse? ehehe

my ex-gf didn't like me touching her booty either, even in bed.

oh and, mongolian girls seem very shy on the surface, but not at all in bed!

from the sound of it, that girl needs someone to support her. all i can say is be generous.

2 Generous? What do you mean by that? I'm not looking to support anyone's @$$ finacially, if that's what you're talking about.

What about some of their customs? What are guys supposed to do? How should women in general be treated? What's considered rude? That kind of thing.

we dont have any weird customs. just treat her the way you would treat any other lady.

pls post up some entertainers and stars

2 You changed your post. That's alright though I'm not really looking to get anything out of it at the moment except for having some one cool to kick it with.

As for treating her like a lady I guess I could do that.

Oyuntulhuur


Minjinsor


Sarantuya


Camerton


Serchmaa



all i could find were these. i'll put better ones later on.

I actually went to a show by Camerton last week here in Denver.

It was cool.

Historically Mongolia was, at certain periods in history, part of the empires of China in the same way parts of China or at one point, the whole (Yuan Dynasty) of China was, at certain periods in history, part of the empires of Mongolia. To claim that Mongolia is straight-up historically part of China is to distort the reality and succumb to overly nationalistic claims. However, I would say that the Mongols and their nomadic kinsmen that had united Mongolia, which includes the Xiongnu, Xianbei, Kok Turuks, Uygurs, Kirghiz, etc. are part of Chinese history. I would also say that Mongolia (at the least the people's physical appearance, their lifestyle, and their recent history as being satellites of the Soviet Union) are more closely related to Central Asian republics like Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan than to China, the only difference being that the Kazakhs and Kirghiz are Muslims while a large number of Mongols are Buddhist. But it just so happens that the old Manchu Qing empire was able to lord over Mongolia for most of the dynasty's existence that Outer Mongolia is still claimed by some extreme Chinese nationalists to be "rightfully" theirs.



Has it occurred to you that the Mongols, in the course of their conquests, pillaged and raped, like many other victorious armies? Steppe nomads like the Mongols weren't notorious for no reason. I recall in one battle (I forget the name) in northern China, about 50,000 girls jumped off the city walls when the Mongols were about to take the city.



That is in fact very wrong. When we are talking about the genetic makeup of the Han population, one can say it is mixed, and not very homogeneous. Especially talking about the northern Chinese, many of them contain some blood from Turko-Mongol steppe nomads. During the Age of Fragmentation, northern China was invaded by various non-Han peoples; I'm sure you've heard of the Five Hu. When the Northern Wei lorded over all the other kingdoms in northern China, many Xianbei (a proto-Mongol/Tungusic people) peoples were assimilated by the larger Han population, and the Northern Wei emperors encouraged sinicization. During the Tang Dynasty, there were large numbers of foreigners in Chang'an (this includes Persians, Arabs, Uygurs, Sogdians, etc. though they were mainly merchants) and intermarriage between Han and non-Han often happened. In the army, many Turkic mercenaries were hired by the Tang. In fact, several famous Tang generals were of foreign blood, and foreigners were even given administrative posts. During the Five Dynasties Ten Kingdoms period, most of the northern dynasties were established by Shatuo Turks. During the Song Dynasties, the Khitans (a proto-Mongol/Tungusic people) ruled northern China for a while, then came the Jurchens (Tungusic). After that came the Mongols, who ruled all of China. I'm sure not all of them would abide to the laws even if anti-inter-ethnic marriage laws were put. In fact, in Yunnan province, there were several families who were recognized to be possibly the descendants of Khitans or Mongols. During the Qing Dynasty, Mongol cavalries were conscripted by the Manchus and several units were placed all over China.



I am surprised that the Mongolians here are not angered at such ignorant and offending statements; Turko-Mongol steppe nomads were not known to be cannibals. Steppe societies were very militarized; generally, it could be said that such societies often produce many war-like individuals, though that is not always true. The Dzungar Mongols were so ferocious that I recall in the last battle against the Qing empire, the Manchus had to massacre all the captued Dzungars so they wouldn't be able to rise as a significant power again. It could be generally said that perhaps hundreds of years of Buddhist influence, propogated by the Manchus, effectively decreased the warrior spirit of the Mongolians.



And which nation, when they have the strength to occupy other peoples' lands, isn't?

Where are the rest of the Mongolians on AF?

unregistereduser, even though im mongolian i didnt know such thing as you do about my country and all those asian history and wars i guess im retarded huh well...in my school we learnt lot about soviet union communism and all those great peoples who helped mongolians to have their independce when manj used to torture our people. Sukhbaatar, Danzan etc. I dont have much acknowledgement about chinese history or what has really happened between China and Mongolian relationship but i do have negative feelings towards from what i know and heard from.It does pisses me off when people chat about my country like its just a wasteland and stuff maybe thats because ima patriot little mongolian girl.But im sure any mongolians would be offended. Okay mongolhuu how are you? so how was the concert? and anywayz how old are you?

Hey, Mgl_Style since you're a girl I was wondering if you got any further advice on my previously posted questions?

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hehe most people say i look korean....and we use russian alphabets cos wen russian revolution happened they told us to learn their alphabets so we did cos we were like one of the soviet union

well theres nothing much to aware really she is same age as me and girl missin her family just give her some comfort and support you know be friendly to her BUT if you gonna be too much then she might think woaahh he dont even know me why is he being like that if you know what i mean? dont say bad stuff about mongolia to her cos it really pisses me off plus chat about lot of things mongolians are very good at many things they watch and read lot of stuffs lol

I see, thanks for the advice. Yeah she seems to be very patriotic about her country. I don't actually see her much but some times my other friend brings her along to hang out so I am sure I will see her again. I just wanted to know just to make her feel more comfortable.

That maybe true, but the Han population so outnumbered the Mongol the Mongol blood would have been haviely diluted, not to mention During the Jin-Mongol wars northern china was devestated and population decrease exponentially, alot of modern northern chinese are actually Han from further south who repopulated northern china later.


Once again you seem to forget that Han population population completely outnumbers all these ancient minorities.
Out of all these minorities the Manchurians had the largest population and even then they were outnumbered by Han 100-1. how muck blood do you think a few hundrend thousand mongols who forbade themselved to married Han can contribute to han blood?


World changed mongolians could not defeat large armies armed with cannons and well supplied. Drungars is and was the last steppe empire.


Well we are flooding those places with Han people.

i am proud of being asian lol

unregistered user is a good example of someone who knows how to read but can't think at all

1. rape and pillage as a means of spreading genes? lets see the unlikeline3ss of that affecting a population already 50 million in size (Northern China at the time oif the Mongol invasions)
A. the brutality of the rape itself, especially in that era, might just kill the girl altogether
B. Mongols were known to kill the girl right after the rape. by the way, death means no chance of pregnancy
C. females can only become pregnant during a specific cycle during the month. the Mongols did not time their raids to coincide with this =P
D. so basically the only girls that would have Han/Mongol hybrids are the ones who survived the rape itself, were not killed by their rapist, and perfectly coincided with their particular cycle of the month
E. furthermore, there are no identifiable "Mongol Genes", however there is an identifiable Sinid Y chromosome...which is actually found in some Mongols.

other nomad groups

2. Qidan=first of all, they only controlled the 16 prefectures south of the great wall, they did not control a large chunk of northern China. and once again, they did not intermarry with Hans. Yes, its true that SOME Qidan sinicized and were then thrown into the general northern Population (which is due to the Mongol Yuan law of the second tier of society which included all Northern Han,all NuZhen in Huabei, and Sinicized QiDan but the overwhelming majority did not. in fact, history remembers the Qidan as fiercely resistant to Sinicization much like Mongols.
A. Anthropologists have found through genetic testing that the modern Daur 达斡尔 group of present day Inner Mongolia are the Qidan's closest relatives, so much for your idiotic claim that Northerners are Sinicized Qidan

3. NuZhen=yes, LOTs of NuZhen became Sinicized into the general Northern Population but not all of them as the claim goes. NuZhen are Manchu ancestors. if the majority of NuZhen assimilated into the general Northern Han population, then the 20 million member Manchu nation would not have arisen shortly thereafter.
A. plus, despite what southern centric types say, the population of Northern China never dropped below 50 million during the Jin Dynsaty. therefore, 500,000 nuzhen versus 50 million Han, you do the math

more nomad groups

1. first off, during the Northern and Southern Dynasties era, Northern China still had the majority population. most sources (both Chinese and western scholarship into this subject) places the ratio 2:1 in population with the North on the top. despite what idiots say, the areas below the YangZi river(Southern China) were at first completely alien to Han Chinese. migration to the areas RIGHTBELOWthe YangZi did not begin at all until this era (i won't even mention deep southern coastal provinces, there are clear records from as late as the Ming that say Guangdong,etc were still minority savage controlled areas)

2. the Xianbei at this time were a confederation of different tribes, the most successful were the Tuoba 拓跋 who along with indigenous Han Chinese founded the Northern Wei(this entire era is characterized by hybrid dynasties both in the north and south). not all the other Xianbei were so open to Sinicization. There was also an interesting characteristic of this period which can be called Xianbei-ization in which Han Chinese adopted Xianbei culture,etc. this phenomenon was as common as Sinicization at the time.
B. the Xianbei's descendandts are actually found all over east and central asia. the hazarra of Afghanistan are Xianbei descendants. the Qidan were also a smaller tribe of the Xianbei confederatijon that did not Sinicize

3. the Xiong Nu-after the fall of the Han dynasty, then the three kingdoms and finally the shortlived jin晉, the Xiong Nu gained enough power to make it into the central part of Huabei. once again, at this period, the Xiong Nu became two entities. the southern Xiong Nu became Sinicized while the northern Xiong Nu did not.
B. also interesting, is the fact that a Xiong Nu chief claimed to be the true heir to the Han dynasty royal family because he was descended from a Han princess

this forum had to turn into a chinese history lesson...

no shyt.. Just remember that all the "4 squares" usernames are all Chinese nationalists..

I think this one used to go by the name of LTY..

I don't know where you get the 20 million Manchu nation from bro. There was only 2 million manchus and even then they were a mix of Jurchen,Mongol,Han.

BTW when I said northern China was repopulated by people further south what I meant was that hebei and liaoning province was devasted and had a huge influx of people from Henan and Shandong not from southern China.

According to the nuts on Skadi we're all partly descended from the Indo-European nomads who brought us civilization.. so who cares from what province..

i've read sources numbering from ten million to 15 million manchus. the two million was their military i believe. i generalized by rounding up to 20 but my point is that not all NuZhen Sinicized, otherwise, the Manchus wouldn't have come into existence

besides, i was actually responding to unregistered user's post

That cannot be true there is only 8 million Manchus in China today, I think you got confused with the population of Manchus with the population of a Manchu created Jin empire which had a huge Han population.

And the Manchu banners could hardly exceeded 300,000. even with all the Han troops and Mongol banners the whole Qing army barely reached 2 Million(this is including all the local militia units).

the current manchu population is closer to 10 million. anyway, perhaps you're right, i'm digging through books right now and can't find the passage where i got 10-15 million

the jin empire had 50 million Hans(so much for loser1 and unregistered user's population depletion theory) plus between half a million to a million NuZhen. its no way i got my source from that time period

There are distinct traits in each province.
Ie, Shandong people are taller, Sichuan girls prettier etc(gneralising of couse).

Look at how many part Manchu people there are.. I'm part, LTY's part.. Bombs_Over_Tokyo and a whole bunch of others.. that loser Xan/Hung-gate is full..

The Jurchen were 25% of the population according to censuses in their dynasty/state of Jin and their descendents the Manchus was not a small population either..

I was talking about the Later Jin empire estabilshed by Nurhaci not THE Jin empire estabilished by WanYan Aguda.

True but then for every one of you part manchu there are atleast 100 pure Han people.