im chinese... i had to vote for monolian chat haha :P

so u,re hinese right ? Ok good idea tnx

Just wanted to make it clear that most Chinese do not think we are related to Mongols nor do we care/want Mongolia to be incorporated into China. We do not see the Mongols as brothers nor enemies. We see Mongolia as an independent country and don't really think about it much. If anything, we are related to Tibetans, but we don't even see them as brothers. Most Chinese don't use genetic studies of linguistic classifications to claim relations. Simply put: Chinese don't really give a fu-k.

I voted Yes for Mongol Chat. There should also be a Central Asian/Turkic chat. Quite a few intellectuals turks on www.ChinaHistoryForum.com and AE forums, altough a lot of ignorant ones too. but that's mainly on AE.

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Yes, you're very right. I've met so many Chinese over the years, both in China (mainly in Beijing and down south) and overseas. None of them really gave monkey about Mongolia. Mongolia is one of the oldest members of the UN, Mongolia has mutual military defense pacts with other countries, Mongolia will never, save on its own will, incorporate into any country. The rest of the Mongolians on this thread should calm down.

What's important is a strong economy + culture preservation.

This chat nearly always has been constant arguments against Chinese members who are extreme nationalist and pretending that Mongolia is part of China. I think we should put an end to that because we are all gettin nowhere.

I would like to ask those Chinese members PLEASE be respectful to Mongolia, we are all humans , let's just take away that rude tone and be nice!!!

Yes, but in your textbooks, you still claim that Mongolia is a part of China and Taiwan didn't acknowledge Mongolia's independence until recently.
Chinese probably don't give a $hit about Mongolians but they gives a lotta $hit about Mongolian's land.

Chinese get out of Inner Mongolia !!

Is taiwan member of UN????
we really dont care about taiwan !!!! Forget it 2

This is a harsh and a racist question but do WE want Inner Mongolians back?

Sorry to say this but in my opinion they're practically Chinese now!

I think that's only in Taiwan textbooks. Mongolia's independence benefitted both USSR and PRC during that era because it served as a buffer zone between the two rivals. Even now, I don't think PRC has any interest in Mongolia because there isn't any real gains in economy or natural resources. These days only resources like oil or a geopolitically important "island" is worth annexing.

You do realize that Inner Mongolia has always been very diverse and other ethnicities including Han Chinese have lived there well before the Mongols moved in right? Mongols didn't occupy Inner Mongolia until they invaded the Jin and XiXia during the Conquest Dynasties.

I think it's very sad that you as a Mongolian is saying something like this about your fellow Mongolians. Chinese are trying to claim that Inner Mongolians are Chinese, yet you are here denying that they are Mongolian. Isn't this a double effort to force Inner Mongolian into becoming Chinese ?

Koreans acknowledge Koreans in China as Koreans, Kazakhstanis acknowledge Kazakhs living in Mongolia as the same and why are Mongolians in Mongolia refuse to acknowledge other Mongolians ?

Anyways, I only asked Chinese to get out of Inner Mongolia and I am for Inner Mongolia's Independence, nothing to do with whether Mongolia wants it back or not.

I, for one, do not consider all ethnic Koreans in China as Koreans. Some of them are cultural bastards that place the Chinese identity over the Korean identity. Those traitors are as Chinese and non-Korean as any other Han Chinese.

maybe their just smart? but in your eyes , the propoganda probably got to them huh?

this soldiers looks like old russian soldiers. Used russian AK47 rifle. Weared Old style uniform

It's not Inner Mongolian's or Koreans fault if they've been absorbed into Chinese culture. They are Chinese but just different ethnicity.
I don't think it's good idea to reunite again neither because we are too different now. They don't even speak Mongolian, isn't it?

I respect your opinion about independence for Inner Mongolia. There are too many Chinese(4 in 5 ppl) now living there, by force movement.

Be realistic, it's ok to say they're Mongolian if they're STILL Mongolian [i doubt they still are ] but don't you think they exchanged too much blood from each other? I mean the Chinese and the Inner Mongolians? I doubt there is more Mongolian blood than Chinese now, and to me they have a more Chinese look than Mongolian.[i'm hoping since you're Mongolian you can tell between ppl who are Mongolian and not Mongolian =)] And also, I'm not too sure if the Mongolians, the so called outer would accept them as Mongolian! [btw, i'm not talking about taking them back!] In my opinion, the majority will not, looking and hearing about what they say about the Chinese!

and btw, no need to be sad as long as i'm not sad about myself! =) I see ppl as ppl not as Chinese or Mongolian or whatever! I acknowledge ppl who were brought up in Mongolia as Mongolians! To tell you the truth, we all exchanged blood throughout history with one another, we're all brothers and sisters but what makes us true Mongolian is that we have a will to develop and to love Mongolia and identify to the world as a Mongolian!

and sometimes I just think the the wolrd would be a much happier place if there was NO history! I honestly think ppl should learn to accept each other as ppl!!

well, good for u if u're in for Inner Mongolia's independance! =D I'm not sure if i'm in or not but the one thing i'm sure is that it amazes me that the Inner Mongolians still carried on using the Mongolian script! Which i think we Mongolians should learn from!

We are not going to delve into finer details of China's own agenda here. We will reflect and maintain our government's neutral position on inner-mongolia. Indeed, inner-mongolia is now part of PRC. Any separatist opinion might take place in other thread.

I, for one, already stated my belief that nationalism means lesser today, than it used to decades ago. This is a globalized little planet we are living in - I will worry more about Earth's common interest than any separate nation any day.
(I've majored in sustainable development btw)

Be Realistic ? I doubt whether your knowledge about Inner Mongolia is sufficient enough to make the realistic judgement. They exchanged too much blood ? Do you have a proven stat for that ? Yes, durinng commi time, there was a rumor or propaganda that was something like "a chinese man was put in every inner mongolian home so all of them is mixed now". If you still believe in that crap, i really don't have anything to say except that you're truly brainwashed.

You know what the reality is thou ? Inner Mongolia is currently occupied by China, that's the reality. Chinese became the majority of the population there. Nomads lost all their lands during commi time, now they are turned into farmlands. Schools are all in chinese, except a few Mongol schools. However, there are less chance of getting into university and finding a good job if you don't graduate from a chinese school.
If I go on like this, there are tons of things to list but what i'm trying to say is that Inner Mongolians are like this today not because they chose to ,but were forced to.

I am sad, that Mongolians like you are caught up in their superficial judgements.

you're absolutely right! =D

i have nothing to say to Odnoo!

gosh, way advanced for nationalism huh ? When your country is on the edge of being totally dependent from China, I am shocked that you could say something like this. Globalization could exist only when all the countries are economically equivalent. Otherwise, it would just be one assimilating another. In Mongolia's case, China will devour us.
Instead of dreaming about globalization, focus on the current crisis. (who else is worrying about earth's common interest today anyways)

I'm worried about earth's common interest as well!! And we all should be worrying about it! =)) After all, she is our Mother!=D

Sound like "life could exist only when all the people are economically equivalent" to me ... I'm a devout believer of the benefits of globalism. :-)

That won't ever happen. Inner Mongolians are Chinese by nationality so they are Chinese. So following your statement "I only asked Chinese to get out of Inner Mongolia", Inner mongolia would be empty.

Globalization is indeed comin into reality ever than before. People are gettin closer, a lot of mixed marriage, you can find any country food in any supermarket around the world and we enjoy it a lot. EU has been succesful so far. Although it does have negative points like price increase etc.

In Asia we have strong culture diversity so i don't think it'll be good idea to unite. I mean I never want my country to be invaded by other country specially because we are only 2.7millions...but any country is nowadays open to anyone, you cannot ask them not to come in or leave if they are legal. So it's something complicated to control.

no one will invade mongolia. If it happens, it will be by either russia or china. Which won't likely ever happen. And if an outsider comes to invade, Russia and China will most likely help drive them out considering border security. As for this Pan asian Union, its a dream. It will never happen aside from the economics.

I mean by invading- not like fighting or mechanical way but becoming dependent on other countries economically.

it's really pathetic to play with word like that or you are just too ignorant to understand that I want hans out of Mongol's land.
It will happen when South Mongolia is no longer under Chinese rule.

lol south mongolians are chinese.

Yes, it is happening but i'm saying globalization is not realistic for Mongolia right now. Mongolia needs to be able to stand on its feet first and watch out for China.

What is China going to do with Mongolia?

I'm agree with you (ku) But still Some inner mongolian's have blood of our's and one of my inner mongolian friend told me that most of the inner mongolian's still wanna reunite with us witch Mean's Mongolian. And Iche year more and more inner mongolians coming to live here. He told me that inner mongolian people's allways under watch for chinese spy's ( i do't know if it's true but i'm believing him) and over there really hard to get job if you're Inner mongolian. If chinese people's it's easy to get job in over there
Why is that? ...............................................................

Unless I see sources that say your claims are correct, I don't believe it.

Someone post pictures of Mongolian food.

Very well, let's change the topic. I was already bored with that inner-mongolian stuff (personally i disliked 3 inner-mongolians i met in ma life, who all wanted to take advantage of my ignorance of Chinese tongue lol) - as kunomchu said, they are part of PRC and for that matter, Chinese (it's like we call bayan-ulghii kazakhs Mongolian, because they bear Mongolian passport). And if China continues to grow more and more prosperous, they just might want to be Chinese too.

History shows that prosperity brings humanity. See American black people. 200 years ago they were no one. Now they are just as American citizen as any American can be. Course of events is a tricky thing. Who can say it'd be better for inner-mongolians if they become an independent country (i never supported the idea of them might one day join outer-mongolia - we are so different now).

Back to the subject, North Americans did it long ago, Europeans did it. SEA almost did it. why can't we? hee hee ... if there would be "Asian Union" or smth of that sort, what would its official language be, I wonder? Chinese or Hindi or Japanese? or maybe English ...

and to mongoljin: why are you using two totally different words together: unity and invasion?

you know what a urban legend is right?

Forget it!!!!!(Hujaanuudiin tuhai martii)
Let,s speak Mongolian 2

Let me make it more clear but maybe I've chosen wrong words. Sometime ago there was another thread about United Asian empire..in Other cullture, I said exactly same thing.
If ever, by any chance Asia gets united, Mongolia will be in danger of dissappearing from earth with time. There will be no visa required to visit, we'll be soon full of Chinese. Not just Mongolia, any small nations will face the same danger. Of course, it'll do good for trading and economic growth. Anyway, Unity for Asia is invasion of Mongolia. That's what I tried to say.

About the official language of Asian Union, I think it's easy to have it as an English but since we are Asian maybe Japanese is best. Although Chinese is spoken by the most people numerically, it's hard to learn(5000 characters, can u imagine) and used by only Chinese mostly.
Japanese is more of international Asian language around the world.

"As the Mongol warriors withdrew from the cities of the Jurched, they had one final punishment to inflict upon the land where they had already driven out the people and burned their villages... When the Mongols left from their Jurched campaign, they churned up the land behind them by having their horses trample the farmland with their hooves and prepare it to return to open pasture. They wanted to ensure that the peasants never returned to their villages and fields...."





>>You know what the reality is thou ? Inner Mongolia is currently occupied by China, that's the reality. Chinese became the majority of the population there. Nomads lost all their lands during commi time, now they are turned into farmlands. Schools are all in chinese, except a few Mongol schools. However, there are less chance of getting into university and finding a good job if you don't graduate from a chinese school.
If I go on like this, there are tons of things to list but what i'm trying to say is that Inner Mongolians are like this today not because they chose to ,but were forced to.

I am sad, that Mongolians like you are caught up in their superficial judgements.

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i don't think there would be an Asian international language, but if we would have to choose one, i'd vote for ENGLISH!!!=)))))

you mongolians that complain that prc stole your land are sad. You still have a country and you should be proud of it instead of holding onto a grudge. Also, why do I not hear b!tching on the Soviets? lol I would say Mongolia has had more influence from Russians than Chinese.

I think both of them[China &Russia] equally influenced us!

I am also surprised that no one said anything negative about the Soviets! In my opinion, they also did as much as damage as the Manchurians did!

everyone did some damage at some point...

true =D

generally speaking , the population tends to deal some damage at night every once in a while also ... some several times a day , and others dont deal any at all. The same goes for receiving damage.

I think if you want to blame Mongolia for the state it is in now, you have to blame mongolians themselves. Stop making excuses and pinning excuses. its kind of like the black guy in the US always b!tching at the white man. Grow up

you know what b!tch shut a fu-k up ok you just wanna be like smart @$$ but you can't do that don't scare from the truth b!tches ok
ku go the hell

So no pictures of Mongolian food?

warned for personal attack.

Let me tell you for chinesse guys read plz
if you respect us i respect you guys that's how it's work's
it's just my opinion