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Chinilpa
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Teaching handbook set to mention Takeshima

The Yomiuri Shimbun

The government has begun discussions over how to refer to the disputed Takeshima islets in a handbook on the new curriculum guidelines for middle school social studies, but is expected to stop short of referring to them explicitly as part of "the nation's territory," The Yomiuri Shimbun learned Saturday.

Once a final decision over the description has been reached, the Education, Science and Technology Ministry plans to present the handbook to prefectural boards of education officials at a meeting to be held in Tokyo on Monday to explain the handbook.

The ministry initially planned to describe the islets as "inherent territory of Japan" in the new manual.

But after a strong response from South Korea, some within the government argued Japan should give greater consideration to maintaining good bilateral relations.

The government has been consulting with relevant departments over a plan to mention in the new teaching manual the islets as an example of the country's ongoing territorial disputes, which along with the four islands off eastern Hokkaido, known as the northern territories, are required to be studied.

On the northern territories, the ministry plans to say, "The Habomai islets and the Shikotan, Kunashiri and Etorofu islands are the inherent territory of Japan and illegally occupied by Russia."

In the case of the Takeshima islets, known as Dokdo in South Korea, the ministry has discussed a proposal to mention in the manual that Seoul claims sovereignty over them.

New editions of handbooks on the curriculum guidelines are drawn up for each subject at primary, middle and high schools when the guidelines are revised, about every 10 years.

As the manuals give detailed explanations about the content of the guidelines, they are also used for publishers producing textbooks.

Currently, only four of the 14 publishers mention the Takeshima islets in their textbooks for social studies classes at middle school.

However, the introduction of the description about the islets in the new handbook is expected to prompt more publishers to mention them.
(Jul. 13, 2008)


http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20080713TDY01304.htm

Good to see the government has some backbone when it comes to protecting the country's sovereignty.
Dokbokki
I'll be suspicious about Japanese govt motive to claim over Dokdo.
may be they found something bottom of the Dokdo.

Btw, SK govt is calling back their ambassador, now it have reached new crisis level.
I won't be surprise if this risky card game turn to war game.
wonda51
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I won't be surprise if this risky card game turn to war game.


before that, South Korea will collapse next day if South Korea comes to rupture
the diplomatic relation with Japan.
Cha
@ chinilpa,

What's your real *ahem*troll*ahem* nationality? I find it odd that you're using a Korean word as your account name, but want Japan to take a piece of Korean land. A Korean chinilpa doesn't go that far unless he hates his own nationality.

Anyway, the textbook thing is not a problem only for the Koreans. It's going to be a problem for the Japanese too. Did you know that the only Japanese who cared about Dokdo were the extreme nationalists and the fishermen? I had Japanese friends and they all looked down on the extreme nationalist Japanese. If you have every young Japanese population into this thing, this is going to spread hate in the Far East.
As someone who has lived in America, I'm tired of the hate that's being spread around in the Far East. The Americans and the Europeans have disagreements on historical and political things too. But it doesn't become a big issue. They can get along individually. When I was in America, I never worried about bad relationships with most countries in the world, especially with neighboring countries. In Korea, I feel like I'm in a very different world.
It's not only with Korea either. Japan has land disputes with other countries, and those countries are superpowers. Do you think it's wise to raise tensions against them? Korea's military isn't weak either.
I don't see Germans demanding Poland's Gdansk(Danzig). Btw-According to wiki, Gdansk was Polish before it became German. Dokdo's situation is similar to Europe in the days before WWII, although the tension (for now) is nowhere near as bad as it was with Germany-Poland prior to WWII. After experiencing two world wars, western Europe is tired of war. Many European countries lost their superpower status in WWII. Japan on the other hand was on the winning side of WWI and didn't experience huge losses when compared to Europe. They only experienced a devestating loss in World War II. Sometimes it looks like there'll be WWIII in the Far East.

Cha
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Cha
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wonda51
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SK govt is calling back their ambassador


dont come back again..

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Japan has land disputes with other countries, and those countries are superpowers. Do you think it's wise to raise tensions against them? Korea's military isn't weak either


these are also written in text book
indacut
You have to wonder what would happen if they tried to take it. Would ROK just take it back or do a full out invasion into Japan? To any Japanese do you believe you would win a war with S.Korea?

Man it would be cool to buy a Samsung PS4. lol
wonda51
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To any Japanese do you believe you would win a war with S.Korea?


Just try..LOL
Japan is not so easy too the provoked fight.
before that, Do you know who is guaranteeing the currency of South Korea?
Cha
South Korean soldiers were deployed in Dokdo since the first Korean president after WWII. And Dokdo was Korean even before Japan occupied Korea. If Japan took Dokdo, then Japan would be the invaders.


Dokbokki
QUOTE(wonda51 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:02 PM) *
before that, South Korea will collapse next day if South Korea comes to rupture
the diplomatic relation with Japan.


laugh.gif I said war game not real war.
Do you have any idea how SK prepared for war all this time around?

If there is any possible war right now, SK can wipe out Japan. But ofcourse this won't happen because both countries are under US military.

QUOTE(wonda51 @ Jul 16 2008, 12:28 AM) *
dont come back again..
these are also written in text book


LoL wait until SK kick out Japanese ambassador
Do you seriously believe Japan can effort to that?

QUOTE(wonda51 @ Jul 16 2008, 08:48 AM) *
Just try..LOL
Japan is not so easy too the provoked fight.
before that, Do you know who is guaranteeing the currency of South Korea?


Not easy to provoke war ofcourse considering Japan is no longer military power in asia.
Well, I think Japanese currency will drive too.
indacut
QUOTE(wonda51 @ Jul 15 2008, 03:48 PM) *
Just try..LOL
Japan is not so easy too the provoked fight.
before that, Do you know who is guaranteeing the currency of South Korea?



Once the Japanese Navy is weakened, its pretty much a wrap for japan. Imagine ROK Marines landing on the beaches of Japan with artillery support from the ROKN. At the same time ROK AF taking out airports, radio communication, water supply, and other vital targets. ROK Army Special Forces parachuting into major cities awaiting to make contact with Marines and Army Infantry. Who needs currency when theres so much loot.
Dokbokki
QUOTE(indacut @ Jul 16 2008, 12:15 PM) *
Once the Japanese Navy is weakened, its pretty much a wrap for japan. Imagine ROK Marines landing on the beaches of Japan with artillery support from the ROKN. At the same time ROK AF taking out airports, radio communication, water supply, and other vital targets. ROK Army Special Forces parachuting into major cities awaiting to make contact with Marines and Army Infantry. Who needs currency when theres so much loot.


Trust me, Japan's navy is not that good either, considering their navy is for supporting USA and defending American supply lines. Given that their territory is so close to ours, our marines and army can be easily deploy, and because of this; our army can easily move into their metropolitan & residental areas without much incident.

SKorea have been preparing for all this time and we have one of largest stock piles of ammunition to supply, not too mention we can beef up the emergency reserve army & supports within no time.

You guys seen how American GIs moved into Iraq, and Iraq had more army and stock piles of weapons than Japan had.

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According to the US-Japan joint declaration, if the United States takes military action against North Korea or China, the entire Japanese territory would become American military bases - U.S. bases, Japan's Self-Defense Forces installations, major civil airports and harbors. The U.S. military and the allies (Japanese and S Korean armies) will concentrate on the attack while receiving total logistical support from Japan. Japan will completely assist the U.S. military attack on North Korea and China. Japan will play the role of a "horse's @$$" to the American "samurai".
from Japan-U.S. Joint Declaration (April 17, 1996)

You see Japanese defense force is just the title, their defense force is little more than SUPPORTING personnel to Americans and SKorean military.
Cha
South Korea has been preparing for decades for a possible invasion by North Korea. Compare the amount of military of South Korean and Japan. South Korea's military isn't low tech either.


wonda51
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Once the Japanese Navy is weakened, its pretty much a wrap for japan. Imagine ROK Marines landing on the beaches of Japan with artillery support from the ROKN. At the same time ROK AF taking out airports, radio communication, water supply, and other vital targets. ROK Army Special Forces parachuting into major cities awaiting to make contact with Marines and Army Infantry. Who needs currency when theres so much loot.


it is so great. LOL
I think Japan would give up an article 9...
why does not korea challenge it. LOL
Chinilpa
QUOTE(Cha @ Jul 15 2008, 05:59 AM) *
@ chinilpa,

What's your real *ahem*troll*ahem* nationality? I find it odd that you're using a Korean word as your account name, but want Japan to take a piece of Korean land. A Korean chinilpa doesn't go that far unless he hates his own nationality.

Anyway, the textbook thing is not a problem only for the Koreans. It's going to be a problem for the Japanese too. Did you know that the only Japanese who cared about Dokdo were the extreme nationalists and the fishermen? I had Japanese friends and they all looked down on the extreme nationalist Japanese. If you have every young Japanese population into this thing, this is going to spread hate in the Far East.
As someone who has lived in America, I'm tired of the hate that's being spread around in the Far East. The Americans and the Europeans have disagreements on historical and political things too. But it doesn't become a big issue. They can get along individually. When I was in America, I never worried about bad relationships with most countries in the world, especially with neighboring countries. In Korea, I feel like I'm in a very different world.
It's not only with Korea either. Japan has land disputes with other countries, and those countries are superpowers. Do you think it's wise to raise tensions against them? Korea's military isn't weak either.
I don't see Germans demanding Poland's Gdansk(Danzig). Btw-According to wiki, Gdansk was Polish before it became German. Dokdo's situation is similar to Europe in the days before WWII, although the tension (for now) is nowhere near as bad as it was with Germany-Poland prior to WWII. After experiencing two world wars, western Europe is tired of war. Many European countries lost their superpower status in WWII. Japan on the other hand was on the winning side of WWI and didn't experience huge losses when compared to Europe. They only experienced a devestating loss in World War II. Sometimes it looks like there'll be WWIII in the Far East.


I believe my nationality (and background for that matter) is fairly straight forward. And what does my nationality have to do with anything? Must I prove myself just because of belong to a certain group by birth or association? I live in a free country, I do (or think) as I please. And on the issue of Takeshima, I am a firm believer of truth. The arguments presented by South Korea is erroneous.

Now, the thing about Takeshima is that its not Japan that is creating all the fuss. Its South Korea. Don't believe me? Then how do you explain this:

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opino.../137_27619.html

http://www.fnnews.com/view?ra=Sent0801m_Vi...amp;cDateDay=16

I doubt you would find this type of saber-rattling in Japan. It is my opinion that Korea has a very immature way of dealing with disputes with other countries, after all, Korea just about has problems with everyone associated with it. And if South Korea ever wants to join the ranks of the first world countries, it will have to learn to improve its behavior.
Dokbokki
QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 16 2008, 03:50 PM) *
I believe my nationality (and background for that matter) is fairly straight forward. And what does my nationality have to do with anything? Must I prove myself just because of belong to a certain group by birth or association? I live in a free country, I do (or think) as I please. And on the issue of Takeshima, I am a firm believer of truth. The arguments presented by South Korea is erroneous.

Now, the thing about Takeshima is that its not Japan that is creating all the fuss. Its South Korea. Don't believe me? Then how do you explain this:

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opino.../137_27619.html

http://www.fnnews.com/view?ra=Sent0801m_Vi...amp;cDateDay=16

I doubt you would find this type of saber-rattling in Japan. It is my opinion that Korea has a very immature way of dealing with disputes with other countries, after all, Korea just about has problems with everyone associated with it. And if South Korea ever wants to join the ranks of the first world countries, it will have to learn to improve its behavior.


So now you are playing with your identity crisis, I see you that you're Hawaii national which mean American, possibly with Japanese or Korean background. Well, I believe in free speech & free will etc.. but it's true that you have been singly attacking Koreans here by bringing these Korea/Japan political topics.

It's funny how you trade with different perspective views while you have been bias over Korea.

Btw, there is nothing for Korea to settle the disputes since the Dokdo was already under Korea's territory for last 50 years, and Korea didn't have problem having it. It's actually Japan was always provoking when ever there is newly elected govt in Korea.

Don't you think it's too little too late for Japan to settle the dispute? which Japan actually said to Korea, too late for daemando and other stolen historical relics from Korea.
Do you seriously want to see Korea to claim on daemado as well?
If Japan plays dirty, so are Korea will be dirty as well, Korean govt didn't asked this from Japan, we just wanted to have good friendly relation.

Peace + humanity is all Korea wanted, but Japan? I'm thinking opposite when I see Japan's whinging about Dokdo but at same time talking about peace over Korean peninsula blah blah blah...
indacut
QUOTE(wonda51 @ Jul 15 2008, 10:47 PM) *
it is so great. LOL
I think Japan would give up an article 9...
why does not korea challenge it. LOL



Were waiting for you to take Dodko. biggthumpup.gif
Dokbokki
QUOTE(wonda51 @ Jul 16 2008, 03:47 PM) *
it is so great. LOL
I think Japan would give up an article 9...
why does not korea challenge it. LOL


I actually love to Japan to take down article 9, but will it?
I don't think Japanese govt have guts to go against to USA. Talktohand.gif
Cha
Chinilpa (who is using a Korean word as his name) obviously registered here to pick on the Koreans. Maybe he wants us to flame the Japanese and the Hawaiians/Americans too.
And I don't know what to make of his avatar (which he might change soon). It makes it difficult to take him seriously on anything he claims including where he claims to live in.

QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 16 2008, 02:50 PM) *
Now, the thing about Takeshima is that its not Japan that is creating all the fuss. Its South Korea. Don't believe me? I doubt you would find this type of saber-rattling in Japan. It is my opinion that Korea has a very immature way of dealing with disputes with other countries, after all, Korea just about has problems with everyone associated with it. And if South Korea ever wants to join the ranks of the first world countries, it will have to learn to improve its behavior.

Did you know that before Japan blocked Korean fishermen from fishing on the eastern side of the sea between Korea and Japan, Korea allowed Japanese fishermen to fish around Dokdo? This was while Korean soldiers and the navy guarded Dokdo and the western side of the sea. It was Japan who demanded on dividing the sea on fishing rights. The Koreans prevented that line from grabbing Dokdo away from them. This was several years ago. I don't know any other country that sets a border this far from the sea like Japan does.

The reality is that this whole thing started with the diminishing numbers of fish in that sea. At that time people didn't know if there were natural resources there. A Japanese said that there is one but it's kind isn't being used in the world yet.


Chinilpa
QUOTE(Cha @ Jul 16 2008, 07:09 PM) *
Chinilpa (who is using a Korean word as his name) obviously registered here to pick on the Koreans. Maybe he wants us to flame the Japanese and the Hawaiians/Americans too.
And I don't know what to make of his avatar (which he might change soon). It makes it difficult to take him seriously on anything he claims including where he claims to live in.
Did you know that before Japan blocked Korean fishermen from fishing on the eastern side of the sea between Korea and Japan, Korea allowed Japanese fishermen to fish around Dokdo? This was while Korean soldiers and the navy guarded Dokdo and the western side of the sea. It was Japan who demanded on dividing the sea on fishing rights. The Koreans prevented that line from grabbing Dokdo away from them. This was several years ago. I don't know any other country that sets a border this far from the sea like Japan does.

The reality is that this whole thing started with the diminishing numbers of fish in that sea. At that time people didn't know if there were natural resources there. A Japanese said that there is one but it's kind isn't being used in the world yet.


I do not recall attacking anyone personally, too bad the same could not be said for "some people". If you have a problem with my political views, then that is too bad. Also, I don't remember ever "claiming" to live in Hawaii, which I don't. Its my birthplace, but not my current residence.

And just so you know, if anyone's more angry towards the Korean illegal occupation of Takeshima, its the fishermen of Shimane prefecture. I don't even need to count the number of fishermen that were arrested and sometimes even killed by Korean patrols. All this was done because South Korea knew the Japan was restricted from using military force (even if it meant protecting its citizens) under article 9. But this will definitely change. I hope the Takeshima dispute will open up Japan and regain her right to become a "normal" country once again.
Dokbokki
QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 17 2008, 11:16 AM) *
I do not recall attacking anyone personally, too bad the same could not be said for "some people". If you have a problem with my political views, then that is too bad. Also, I don't remember ever "claiming" to live in Hawaii, which I don't. Its my birthplace, but not my current residence.

And just so you know, if anyone's more angry towards the Korean illegal occupation of Takeshima, its the fishermen of Shimane prefecture. I don't even need to count the number of fishermen that were arrested and sometimes even killed by Korean patrols. All this was done because South Korea knew the Japan was restricted from using military force (even if it meant protecting its citizens) under article 9. But this will definitely change. I hope the Takeshima dispute will open up Japan and regain her right to become a "normal" country once again.


I would say japan is illegally occupying Daemado too.
So you are indeed Hawaiian, why would Hawaiian have so much interest in Korea/Japan politics, you do have voting rights?

Even Japan have right to use it's own military, Japan can't do much with Dokdo, otherwise Korea re-occupy Daemado as well.
indacut
QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 16 2008, 06:16 PM) *
I do not recall attacking anyone personally, too bad the same could not be said for "some people". If you have a problem with my political views, then that is too bad. Also, I don't remember ever "claiming" to live in Hawaii, which I don't. Its my birthplace, but not my current residence.

And just so you know, if anyone's more angry towards the Korean illegal occupation of Takeshima, its the fishermen of Shimane prefecture. I don't even need to count the number of fishermen that were arrested and sometimes even killed by Korean patrols. All this was done because South Korea knew the Japan was restricted from using military force (even if it meant protecting its citizens) under article 9. But this will definitely change. I hope the Takeshima dispute will open up Japan and regain her right to become a "normal" country once again.



They shouldn't of been illegally poaching in S. Korea's water, they deserved to be arrested. Tell me more about these justified homicides?
Cha
QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 17 2008, 10:16 AM) *
I do not recall attacking anyone personally,...

I was talking about how you were offending an entire nationality.

QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 17 2008, 10:16 AM) *
Also, I don't remember ever "claiming" to live in Hawaii, which I don't. Its my birthplace, but not my current residence.

I find it funny that you have a picture of Japanese girl maids as your avatar while you make insults on Korea. Whatever your nationality is, you're intent is absurd.

QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 17 2008, 10:16 AM) *
And just so you know, if anyone's more angry towards the Korean illegal occupation of Takeshima, its the fishermen of Shimane prefecture. I don't even need to count the number of fishermen that were arrested and sometimes even killed by Korean patrols.

I have never heard of that. I have seen videos of the Japanese doing that to the Korean fishermen. There were no reports of killings on either side.

QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 17 2008, 10:16 AM) *
I hope the Takeshima dispute will open up Japan and regain her right to become a "normal" country once again.

Normal country? Do you even know how small those two islands are? Can you live in Tokdo? The reason why the Korean soldiers are able to live there is because they get food from the mainland. You can't grow crops on rocks. There's barely room to build a house now that there is a Korean guard post there (for decades).

The nearest big island to that place is called Ulleungdo and the people who live there are Korean and speak Korean. Dokdo is so close to Ulleungdo that the rocks can be seen from Ulleungdo on a clear day.
Chinilpa
QUOTE(Cha @ Jul 17 2008, 01:31 AM) *
I was talking about how you were offending an entire nationality.
I find it funny that you have a picture of Japanese girl maids as your avatar while you make insults on Korea. Whatever your nationality is, you're intent is absurd.
I have never heard of that. I have seen videos of the Japanese doing that to the Korean fishermen. There were no reports of killings on either side.
Normal country? Do you even know how small those two islands are? Can you live in Tokdo? The reason why the Korean soldiers are able to live there is because they get food from the mainland. You can't grow crops on rocks. There's barely room to build a house now that there is a Korean guard post there (for decades).

The nearest big island to that place is called Ulleungdo and the people who live there are Korean and speak Korean. Dokdo is so close to Ulleungdo that the rocks can be seen from Ulleungdo on a clear day.


I am offending an entire nationality because I don't agree with South Korea's illegal occupation of Takeshima? If that is the case, then Koreans must be insulting Japan whenever they talk about Korea under Japanese rule.
Dokbokki
QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 24 2008, 08:30 AM) *
I am offending an entire nationality because I don't agree with South Korea's illegal occupation of Takeshima? If that is the case, then Koreans must be insulting Japan whenever they talk about Korea under Japanese rule.


Since when is illegal occupation, what about Japanese occupation on Daemado, isn't that also illegal too?
KoreanaHoosierHahkseng
QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 16 2008, 09:16 PM) *
I do not recall attacking anyone personally, too bad the same could not be said for "some people". If you have a problem with my political views, then that is too bad. Also, I don't remember ever "claiming" to live in Hawaii, which I don't. Its my birthplace, but not my current residence.

And just so you know, if anyone's more angry towards the Korean illegal occupation of Takeshima, its the fishermen of Shimane prefecture. I don't even need to count the number of fishermen that were arrested and sometimes even killed by Korean patrols. All this was done because South Korea knew the Japan was restricted from using military force (even if it meant protecting its citizens) under article 9. But this will definitely change. I hope the Takeshima dispute will open up Japan and regain her right to become a "normal" country once again.



^^ Read my PM yet punk?

Aren't you that kalani o' sullivan kanaka scum who likes to trash talk S Korea and the Korean government? I have seen you trash talk Korea and Koreans on Japantoday news comment section.

What's disgusting is you're married to a sellout Korean lady.

Is this your cheap fugly squid lau lau website?

http://kalaniosullivan.com/indexd.html

I saw a pic of your daughter on your old website. She looks UUUUUGGGGGLLLLLYYYYYY!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

What brah? Not enough poki and lomi salmon while living in Osan Air Force base?

Pwahahahaha!!!

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QUOTE('dokbokki')
I would say japan is illegally occupying Daemado too.
So you are indeed Hawaiian, why would Hawaiian have so much interest in Korea/Japan politics, you do have voting rights?

Even Japan have right to use it's own military, Japan can't do much with Dokdo, otherwise Korea re-occupy Daemado as well.


^^ We would also have to ask his kanaka hawaiian bloke if he doesn't mind the US illegally occupying the Hawaiian islands.

This poi pounding idiot should know that the US government stole the Hawaiian islands ILLEGALLY from the Hawaiian royal government.

Funny how this kanaka likes to criticize Korea. Yet I can go on and on and criticize all those hawaiian nut heads who are staging protests by locking down iolani palace in honolulu and trying to take back hawaii from the US.

LOOOLL!!!!
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