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Suzuka00
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A Stanford University study conducted during 2001 revealed that Y-chromosome Haplogroup O3-M122 (labeled as "Haplogroup L" in this study) predominates among Filipino males. This particular haplogroup is also predominant among Chinese and Korean males. That finding is consistent with the theory that people migrated from China south into the Philippines. Another haplogroup, Haplogroup O1a-M119 (labeled as "Haplogroup H" in this study), is also found among Filipinos. The rates of Haplogroup O1a are highest among the Taiwanese Aborigines. Overall, the genetic frequencies found among Filipinos point to the Ami tribe of Taiwan as their nearest genetic relative.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_people

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Results and Discussion

To determine the genetic affinity between the Daic populations and the Western Austronesians, we typed twenty single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) and seven short tandem repeats (STRs) in the non-recombining region of 1,509 Y chromosomes sampled from 30 Daic populations, 23 ISEA populations, and 11 Taiwan aboriginal populations (see Figure 1 for locations of the populations and Table 1 for population information). Almost all of the Daic populations in China and all of the Taiwan aboriginal populations were sampled in this study.

In addition, principal component (PC) analysis of 134 East Asian populations encompassing all linguistic groups in East and Southeast Asia was performed using the frequencies of haplogroups defined by SNPs. The result showed that Daic populations are closer to the Western Austronesian groups than any other East and Southeast Asian populations are (Figure 2), indicating a strong genetic affinity between Daic speakers and Western Austronesians. The separation of the Daic-ISEA-Taiwan cluster from the other ethnic groups is attributable to PC2 rather than to PC1, and O1a* is the haplogroup that shows the strongest correlation with PC2 (r2 = -0.875, P < 10-4; see Additional file 1 for details). Furthermore, O1a-M119 is the dominating haplogroup in Taiwan aborigines (average 77%) ranging from 54% to 100% (Table 2, sum of O1a* and O1a2). This lineage is also highly prevalent in Daic speakers (20.5%) and in ISEA (21.2%), but not in the other East Asians (< 5%) [23,31-34]. Therefore, O1a-M119 is expected to provide much information for delineating the relationship between the Daic and Western Austronesians.

The PC plot of Figure 2 indicates that some Daic populations are close to the Sino-Tibetan cluster. It is possible that Daic and Sino-Tibetan populations have a common ancestry, which might have resulted in their genetic resemblance. However, another explanation for this observation is that Daic populations in mainland East Asia may have been influenced by Han Chinese genetically as they coexisted as neighbors since around 2,500 years ago. Admixture analysis can estimate the proportions of assumed Daic or Han ancestry in the present Daic populations, and some Daic populations isolated from Han Chinese can be used as the parental population in this admixture analysis. Aboriginal populations on Hainan Island (Hlai, Jiamao, and Cun) and Taiwan Island are assumed to have been relatively isolated, as their cultures were little influenced by the exotic cultures on the mainland. Therefore, the genetic structures of these island aborigines might be the closest to that of ancestral Daic [35].

Additional file 1. Correlation coefficients between haplogroups and PCs. Although P values of the correlation coefficients between PC1 and M9, M110, M95, M88 etc. are all very significant, all of these correlation coefficients are less than 0.5. Thus, PC1 has little information about the ethnic clustering. In contrast, PC2 is significantly correlated with O1a-M119 seen in a large correlation coefficient. This haplogroup distinguishes the Daic-MP-TW cluster. Thus, PC2 provides information on ethnic clustering.
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Table 1. Classification, population, and location information of the populations sampled in this study
Table 2. Y-SNP haplogroup frequencies of the newly studied samples (%)
Figure 2. Principal component plot of Y-SNP. (A) PC plot of all the population samples. DC (green stars) is closest to MP (purple crosses) and TA (blue crosses). All of the other groups including ST, HM, AA, and AT (red spots including triangles, squares and diamonds) are rather far removed from MP and TA, which indicates that DC is the only group that might be related to MP and TA. (B) PC plots of pooled samples. The ST, HM, AA, and AT samples were pooled according to the linguistic families. The DC samples were pooled according to the sub-families. MP and TA samples were pooled according to the geographic locations. Ethnic groups: AA, Austro-Asiatic speakers; AT, Altaic speakers; DC, Daic speakers; HM, Hmong-Mien speakers; MP, Malayo-Polynesian speakers; ST, Sino-Tibetan speakers; TA, Taiwan aborigines.
To estimate the assumed genetic influence of Han Chinese on the mainland Daic, we applied the Y SNP data of mainland Daic, Hainan aborigines, Taiwan aborigines, and Han Chinese [34] to our admixture analysis. For this analysis, we set the latter three pooled populations as the parental populations of mainland Daic. Our results show that the genetic contribution of the Hainan aborigines is very high (2.145 ± 0.927), while those of the Han Chinese (-0.314 ± 0.422) and Taiwan aborigines (-0.831 ± 0.662) are hardly detected. Here the negative values of the genetic contribution estimated by the ADMIX program suggest that there is no possible contributions to the present Daic populations. This result indicates that the paternal lineages of Daic populations are relatively undisturbed, and the genetic affinity between Daic and Western Austronesian populations has hardly been influenced by population admixture.

The ISEA populations may also be admixed. In our study, we assumed that the ISEA were mixed by three potential parental populations: Daic populations, Taiwan aborigines, and the indigenous populations of the Sunda Islands, who are similar to Papuans. We performed an admixture analysis on the Indonesians, and included data of the Papuans from the literature [36,37] as one of the parental population structures in the analysis. Our analysis showed the following admixture proportions: Daic (0.713 ± 0.124), Taiwan (0.143 ± 0.125), and Papuans (0.144 ± 0.050), indicating that the contribution of the Daic ancestry on the Indonesians is the most dominant. There is some uncertainty in these data as our assumption that the ISEA population is an admixture can not be tested.

As the haplogroup O1a* is the most unique haplogroup of the Daic and Western Austronesian populations, we estimated pairwise genetic divergence between Daic, Indonesians, and Taiwan aborigines using seven STRs carried by O1a* individuals (see Table 3 for genetic distances and Additional file 2 for STR raw data). Our study shows that the divergence between Taiwan aborigines and Indonesians is the largest, and is about 3-fold as much as that between the Daic group and Taiwan aborigines. The divergence between the Daic group and Indonesians is comparable to that between the Daic group and Taiwan aborigines. These findings indicate that the Indonesians and Taiwan aborigines are genetically closer to the Daic group than the two Western Austronesian groups are to each other. Furthermore, the diversity based on the seven STRs carried by O1a* individuals is higher in the Daic speakers than the diversities in Indonesians and Taiwan aborigines (Table 3). The population with the highest diversity is not always the oldest, but can also be a result of admixture with other neighbouring populations. However, the high diversity of the O1a* haplogroup of the Daic speakers should have resulted from the oldest age of the population, as this haplogroup is almost absent in the neighbouring populations and no admixture can bring more diversity. Taking the results of diversity and divergence together, the Daic population group is likely the ancestral group from which the Indonesians and Taiwan aborigines derived separately in paternal lineages. Other haplogroups of Y chromosomes (e.g. O3-M122, O2a-M95) displayed a similar pattern as O1a*, showing that the Daic group is genetically closer to Indonesians and Taiwan aborigines than these latter two groups are to each other (Table 3). Interestingly, O2a may be traced even further to Austro-Asiatic populations as suggested by a recent study [38].

Additional file 2. Y-STR haplotypes of individual samples. The names of the individuals begin with ISO639-3 codes of their populations.
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Table 3. Y-STR diversity of O1a, O2a, and O3 haplogroup
A median-joining network was constructed based on 7-STR haplotypes of O1a* individuals in the three ethnic groups (Figure 3). If THH of ISEA is true, i.e., ISEA primarily derived from Taiwan aborigines, one would expect sharing and/or connections of ISEA lineages and Taiwan aboriginal lineages in the network. In Figure 3, Daic lineages (green nodes) constitute the center of the network. All ISEA lineages (yellow nodes) and Taiwan aboriginal lineages (blue nodes) are either shared or connected to one of the Daic lineages, either directly or indirectly. In contrast, none of the Taiwan aboriginal lineages (except for one) are shared with or connected to the ISEA lineages. These observations suggest that ISEA did not directly derive from Taiwan aborigines but that the ISEA and Taiwan aborigines derived from the Daic independently of each other.

Figure 3. Haplotype network of Y-STRs of Haplogroup O1a* individuals. As the original network was too complicated to display, here we presented the shortest tree of the largest possibility reduced from the network (this function is available in the recent versions of NETWORK program). Each node represents an O1a* STR haplotype. The lengths of the lines are proportional to the mutation steps. The broken line stands for only one step. The sizes of the nodes are proportional to their frequencies. Almost none of the ISEA haplotypes is directly linked to Taiwan aborigines, and both ISEA and Taiwanese are linked directly or indirectly to the Daic haplotypes holding the centre of the network (big green node).
We further noticed the Daic lineages that are connected to ISEA lineages in the network. Interestingly, most of the Daic haplotypes connecting to the ISEA are either from Hainan Island or from Guangxi, which is to northwest of Hainan (green nodes with dark green frames in Figure 3). These Hainan and Guangxi populations are located around the Gulf of Tonkin. In particular, Cham, a Malayo-Polynesian population in South Vietnam, as well as Tsat in Hainan, which is a subgroup of Cham [11,39], were found to connect Daic and Indonesians in the network. Therefore, we hypothesized that the ISEA likely originated in the area around the Gulf of Tonkin, and migrated southward through the Indochina Peninsula to the Malaya Peninsula before they spread to most of the islands of the Pacific Ocean and the Indian Ocean.

The age of the O1a* haplogroup was estimated in the network. The total age is 33765 ± 5221 years, which corresponds to the last Ice Age. The age of all the Daic samples in the network is 33193 ± 5577 years, close to the age of O1a*. It is not easy to estimate the real age of the Taiwan clusters as they overlap with the Daic haplotypes to a large extent. This kind of overlap also indicates multiple migrations from Daic populations to Taiwan aborigines. We estimated the age of the Taiwan cluster in the left side of the network to be 14659 ± 3110 years. The estimated age of all the Taiwan samples is 21268 ± 3148 years. Interestingly, this latter age is close to the age of the oldest human remains found in Taiwan, those of the Chochen Man [40]. Therefore, we conclude that the migration of O1a* individuals from the mainland to Taiwan Island occurred during the Palaeolithic Age.

Because two fairly specific clusters of ISEA haplotypes can be observed in the network, we performed time estimates in both clusters. The age of the left ISEA cluster in the network is 9895 ± 2393 years, whereas that of the right cluster is 25880 ± 7137 years. The linguistic estimate for the origin of the Malayo-Polynesian is younger than that of our estimates, around 5000–6000 years ago [16]. Moreover, little overlap between Daic haplotypes and ISEA haplotypes is observed in the network, which indicates bottleneck effects might have formed the two ISEA clusters during the emigration of ISEA populations out of the ancestral Daic populations. Geographically, the bottleneck might be the narrow seashore of Vietnam. Therefore, the O1a* haplogroup was most probably introduced into ISEA populations during the origin of the Malayo-Polynesians more than 7500 years ago. However, the possibility of recent migrations of the O1a individuals into ISEA can not be ignored, because the genetic time estimate is not precise enough to eliminate such a possibility.

It should be noted that, in the Express Train Hypothesis, there are two different aspects: 1) the origin of the migrations, i.e. the Taiwan Homeland Hypothesis, and 2) the mode of migrations, i.e., a rapid dispersal starting from Indonesia. In this study, we examined the THH in Western Austronesians by including the Daic speakers and ISEA, both of which are largely missing in previous studies. We show that Taiwan is not likely the homeland of Indonesian ISEA, at least not for the major paternal lineages. Although both Taiwan aborigines and Indonesian ISEA derived from the Daic, their departures occurred separately, suggesting that the major paternal lineages of Western Austronesian populations are not monophyletic.

Interestingly, the spread of the domestic pig in the Southeast Asia archipelago and the Pacific took place in almost the same way as that of Western Austronesian populations suggested by our study. The pigs in Taiwan and in regions as far as Micronesia came directly from the mainland of East Asia, while those in the Southeast Asian archipelago and Polynesia came from the Indochina Peninsula. It is assumed that the domestic pig was introduced by human populations during early migrations, which would imply that humans have also entered the Southeast Asia archipelago and the Pacific in two different routes [41].

In fact, our observations are consistent with a monophyletic Austro-Tai super-phylum which contains Daic speakers, Malayo-Polynesians, and Taiwan aborigines [5]. The observations presented in this study demonstrate that it is absolutely necessary to include Daic populations and ISEA in the Austronesian origin studies. Without these groups, Polynesians and Taiwan aborigines would have appeared most similar to each other, leading to the conclusion that all the Austronesians originated in Taiwan.

Our results suggest that the Gulf of Tonkin is more likely the homeland of the paternal lineages of ISEA. Due to the complex nature of population migrations from Eastern Indonesia to the Pacific Islands [23,42-47], and the pronounced genetic division between Eastern and Western Austronesians [27], we opted not to include Polynesian data in our analysis. Instead, we only analyzed Western Austronesians. The absence of O1a-M119 in Polynesian populations is intriguing and it can not be simply explained by invoking the bottleneck effect [21-25] given that a great deal of diversity of Y chromosome haplotypes has been observed in Polynesians [23,42].

Consistent with our findings for paternal lineages, mitochondrial DNA studies on populations from Peninsular Malaysia also suggest an ancestry of aboriginal Malays in Indochina around the time of the Last Glacial Maximum [48]. This ancestry subsequently dispersed through the Malaya Peninsula into island Southeast Asia [48]. The ISEA mtDNA studies also indicated that if an Austronesian migration from Taiwan did take place, it was demographically minor [49].

Most of our conclusions are based on the analysis of O1a*, which is only a fraction of the Y-chromosome lineages found in these populations. The frequency of this group of lineages is remarkable in Taiwanese populations, but it is not so dramatic in Malayo-Polynesians or Daic populations. It is possible that some population events could have involved other Y-chromosome lineages. It is also reasonable that there are other minor parts of paternal lineages with different origins, such as aboriginal populations of Indonesia prior to the formation of Austronesian, or that more recent migrations from South Asia took place [29]. The genetic relationship amongst the East and Southeast Asians are much more complicated than expected.
Kiss_the_Girls
cus most Filipinos don't know what they are.
P. Bredahl
kiss_the_girls: im a white girl! dont hate!
richhunkydude: there is no difference we are all humans humans humans humans UN ROCKS!
cracker: 100000 pages
Pink Cream
QUOTE(P. Bredahl @ Jul 20 2008, 09:15 AM) [snapback]3819546[/snapback]
cracker: 100000 pages

lol
*promo
QUOTE(P. Bredahl @ Jul 19 2008, 04:15 PM) [snapback]3819546[/snapback]
kiss_the_girls: im a white girl! dont hate!
richhunkydude: there is no difference we are all humans humans humans humans UN ROCKS!
cracker: 100000 pages



LOL hmmm when is the next white gonna come on try to get little asian girl. embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
flipcombatmedic

anyway i think the term 'malay' is referred to in many ways. the usage of malay is out of the obvious closeness of similarities to neighbors yes both culturally, linguistically and although in this wikipedia article (i'll trust it for the sake of conversation and since i'm not professional in genetics or anything for that matter). perhaps they were rather 'inaccurate' in using the term, but not 'incorrect'. since the word 'malay' was popularized by the europeans (who termed the native seasian austronesians as 'malays' or the earlier 'indios' (indians) by the iberians and other earlier european usage) the term is used by early nationalist such as Jose Rizal. If and if the term Austronesian was used then, i would have no doubt that early historians and filipinos would have used that. e.g. 'German''Italian' (even the terms "Caucasian" or "Mongoloid" which are outdated and inaccurate)'---all of these were modern constructs as well.
Hi Tone
the irony is you used the word filipino which was meant for spaniard born in the philippines
Suzuka00
QUOTE(Hi Tone @ Jul 19 2008, 08:33 PM) [snapback]3819722[/snapback]
the irony is you used the word filipino which was meant for spaniard born in the philippines

tao is the better word,i just used filipino because it can mean the natives of the philippines
flipcombatmedic
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Jul 19 2008, 10:18 PM) [snapback]3819786[/snapback]
tao is the better word,i just used filipino because it can mean the natives of the philippines

tao just mean people. and the term 'tao' is used by filipinos not only to themselves.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(flipcombatmedic @ Jul 19 2008, 09:20 PM) [snapback]3819789[/snapback]
tao just mean people. and the term 'tao' is used by filipinos not only to themselves.

because the term for human is used as the term for ethnicity as well for most ethnicities,i use tao for the alternate macro-ethnicity of filipinos,itas call filipinos tao and unat

thai came from old thai word for human which is tai
flipcombatmedic
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Jul 19 2008, 10:22 PM) [snapback]3819795[/snapback]
because the term for human is used as the term for ethnicity as well for most ethnicities,i use tao for the alternate macro-ethnicity of filipinos,itas call filipinos tao and unat

true, but there are many people who refer to themselves as 'free' or use a mythological person to refer to themselves e.g. people of "mythological hero/patrriach/matriarch here" but it doesn't mean the 'authenticity' of the term. because if i can say 'malay' by so picking the term i am empowering it much like i have when i chose tao (since it is a term not necessarily used nor used exclusively by the people of the philippines to refer to themselves and themselves only) ... the fact that 'tao' or people mean differently to different ethnicities in the philippines.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(flipcombatmedic @ Jul 19 2008, 09:30 PM) [snapback]3819815[/snapback]
true, but there are many people who refer to themselves as 'free' or use a mythological person to refer to themselves e.g. people of "mythological hero/patrriach/matriarch here" but it doesn't mean the 'authenticity' of the term. because if i can say 'malay' by so picking the term i am empowering it much like i have when i chose tao (since it is a term not necessarily used nor used exclusively by the people of the philippines to refer to themselves and themselves only) ... the fact that 'tao' or people mean differently to different ethnicities in the philippines.

ok,thanks



yami of taiwan who are of filipino descent call themselves as tao.
Graham_Cracker07
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Jul 19 2008, 09:35 PM) [snapback]3819834[/snapback]
ok,thanks
yami of taiwan who are of filipino descent call themselves as tao.


The Chamorros call themselves "Taotao Tano" which means "People of the land"
Suzuka00
QUOTE(Graham_Cracker07 @ Jul 19 2008, 10:25 PM) [snapback]3819976[/snapback]
The Chamorros call themselves "Taotao Tano" which means "People of the land"

chamoros mixed with filipinos since time immermorial beerchug.gif
JeanYus
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Jul 19 2008, 03:25 AM) [snapback]3818831[/snapback]

So after presenting us this site, what's your personal conclusion?
I wanna read your interpretation on this finding.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(JeanYus @ Jul 21 2008, 11:27 PM) [snapback]3823831[/snapback]
So after presenting us this site, what's your personal conclusion?
I wanna read your interpretation on this finding.

filipinos are sister to borneans(inc. malagassy),while polynesians are close to malays that's it..


socafever
no,they are islanders!! they don't want to be called anything asians. badteeth.gif
tamang hinala
QUOTE(socafever @ Jul 22 2008, 04:26 PM) [snapback]3824164[/snapback]
no,they are islanders!! they don't want to be called anything asians. badteeth.gif


its like you said that indonesians are islanders and not asians Talktohand.gif
Suzuka00
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The Tao (traditional Chinese: éâ€æâ€šŸæâ€â€), commonly known by the misnomer Yami (é›…ç¾Å½), are a Taiwanese aboriginal people, native to tiny outlying Orchid Island in Taiwan. The Tao are an Austronesian people linguistically and culturally closer to the Ivatan people of the Batanes islands of Luzon in the Philippines than to other aboriginal peoples of mainland Taiwan. The word "Tao" (pronounced Ta-o) means "person" or "people" in both the Tao language as well as in Tagalog and all Philippine languages. The Tao people are traditionally good at making canoes, which is a symbol of their tribe.
In the year 2000 the Yami numbered 3,872. This was approximately 1% of Taiwan's total indigenous population. [1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_people
salamat
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Jul 22 2008, 02:50 AM) [snapback]3824133[/snapback]
filipinos are sister to borneans(inc. malagassy),while polynesians are close to malays that's it..


OMG u r one confused individual embarassedlaugh.gif
people on borneo r malays too...lol
ham_let
to distiguish filipinos from the east asians that they try so hard to disassociate from. kekeke.

malay is the term the more level headed filipinos use.

other filipinos prefer: "hisspanish" "hawaiian" "pacific islander" "asian latino" etc etc
AzNboii
i just like to be called filipino. it sounds funny
JMAC
jalapeno
salamat
QUOTE(ham_let @ Aug 21 2008, 12:16 PM) [snapback]3884531[/snapback]
to distiguish filipinos from the east asians that they try so hard to disassociate from. kekeke.

malay is the term the more level headed filipinos use.

other filipinos prefer: "hisspanish" "hawaiian" "pacific islander" "asian latino" etc etc


d@mn them to hell embarassedlaugh.gif

I blame westernization...its destroying our past and culture

AzNboii
QUOTE(salamat @ Aug 21 2008, 10:41 AM) [snapback]3884559[/snapback]
d@mn them to hell embarassedlaugh.gif

I blame westernization...its destroying our past and culture


nah. them spanish folks did that already
islander
I found this a week back. It just confused me after I read the following when it comes to "Malay".

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In a nutshell, the British Colonial Masters, who, for lack of a better description, needed a “blanket” category for ease of classification, used the term “Malay”. The only other logical explanation, which I have heard, was that “Malaya” came as a derivative of “Himalaya”, where at Langkasuka, or Lembah Bujang today was where the Indians were describing the locals as “Malai” which means “Hill People” in Tamil.


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As I said, I hate race classifications. This is so depressing and even more depressing is that the “Malays” are not even a race; not since day one.

“Truly Asia Boleh”


Above parts are from the following article which has alot of info.:
http://balajoe27.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/...alays%E2%80%9D/

So has this writer of the article gotten it right or not.
salamat
QUOTE(islander @ Aug 21 2008, 01:08 PM) [snapback]3884591[/snapback]
I found this a week back. It just confused me after I read the following when it comes to "Malay".
Above parts are from the following article which has alot of info.:
http://balajoe27.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/...alays%E2%80%9D/

So has this writer of the article gotten it right or not.


malay is not a race...thats stupid....its an ethnicity

like how Laos and Thailand r both Tai
Pogpog
i don't care....i'm martian.
Selkies
QUOTE(AzNboii @ Aug 22 2008, 01:44 AM) [snapback]3884561[/snapback]
nah. them spanish folks did that already


wiggerization is on the way, notice most filipino kids nowadays actin strange. Yo yo wasap my negga!! Wasap blood!! wasap G! Going to malls with their weird outfits and taking pics themselves twisting their fingers and bulging their lips embarassedlaugh.gif biggthumpup.gif
salamat
QUOTE(Selkies @ Aug 21 2008, 05:05 PM) [snapback]3884954[/snapback]
wiggerization is on the way, notice most filipino kids nowadays actin strange. Yo yo wasap my negga!! Wasap blood!! wasap G! Going to malls with their weird outfits and taking pics themselves twisting their fingers and bulging their lips embarassedlaugh.gif biggthumpup.gif


so true embarassedlaugh.gif
Pogpog
QUOTE(Selkies @ Aug 22 2008, 02:05 AM) [snapback]3884954[/snapback]
wiggerization is on the way, notice most filipino kids nowadays actin strange. Yo yo wasap my negga!! Wasap blood!! wasap G! Going to malls with their weird outfits and taking pics themselves twisting their fingers and bulging their lips embarassedlaugh.gif biggthumpup.gif


yeah, i don't get it why they like to have that 'retarded look' or they're actually retarded for real.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(salamat @ Aug 21 2008, 11:42 AM) [snapback]3884498[/snapback]
OMG u r one confused individual embarassedlaugh.gif
people on borneo r malays too...lol

dayaks,kalimantan and javanese don't call themselves malay either.
QUOTE
malay is not a race...thats stupid....its an ethnicity

if you call filipinos malay,it's the same thing as calling the group of muong and viet as khmer,because filipinos are closely related to malagassy of madagascar.

Malays are a subgroup of sundic austronesians,other sundic austronesians,such as dayak don't call themselves as malay,in fact according to ethnologists polynesians are more closer to malays than filipino.


Torete_ako_sa_yo
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Aug 21 2008, 08:07 PM) [snapback]3885160[/snapback]
dayaks,kalimantan and javanese don't call themselves malay either.

if you call filipinos malay,it's the same thing as calling the group of muong and viet as khmer,because filipinos are closely related to malagassy of madagascar.

Malays are a subgroup of sundic austronesians,other sundic austronesians,such as dayak don't call themselves as malay,in fact according to ethnologists polynesians are more closer to malays than filipino.

I hope you are not serious.
JMAC
QUOTE(Selkies @ Aug 21 2008, 06:05 PM) [snapback]3884954[/snapback]
wiggerization is on the way, notice most filipino kids nowadays actin strange. Yo yo wasap my negga!! Wasap blood!! wasap G! Going to malls with their weird outfits and taking pics themselves twisting their fingers and bulging their lips embarassedlaugh.gif biggthumpup.gif

pouting lips embarassedlaugh.gif

wait is this in the Philippines or in America/Canada?
Suzuka00
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Aug 21 2008, 08:47 PM) [snapback]3885217[/snapback]
I hope you are not serious.

The truth is the one we call indones in our text books are our direct ancestors,ethnically,they split to borneans(from which bajau does belong) and tau(mainstream filipinos),then bisaya and manobo pushed those borneans south, actually capulenyo of capul island visayas is a samal-bajau language,a bornean subgroup,then malays and cham came to the philippines in visayas,in southern extremes of luzon and mindanao.

but genetically wise the bisayans are more genetically sundic while the people of luzon are more chinese.
http://www.sil.org/asia/Philippines/ical/h...onoun_recon.pdf



ethnically,thais are between filipinos and malays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ami_people
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The Amis people generally identify themselves as Pangcah, which means "human" or "people of our kind." Nonetheless, in today's Taiwan, Amis is much more frequently used. This name comes from the word amis, meaning "north." There is still no consensus in the academic circle how "Amis" came to be used to address the Pangcah. One supposition is that it was originally used by the Puyuma to call the Pangcah, as the Pangcah lived to the north of them. Another supposition holds that those who lived in the Taitung Plain called themselves "Amis" because their ancestors had come from the north. The later explanation is recorded in the Banzoku ChÅsa HÅkokusho (Survey Reports on the Savages, 1913-1918, Taipei. See: vol.8, p.4), indicating this might originate from what is classified by anthropologists as Falangaw Amis, the Amis group located from today's Chengkong to the Taitung Plain. Their closest genetic relative appears to be the Filipinos[2][3].
martin_nuke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_Archipelago
tamang hinala
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Aug 22 2008, 07:05 PM) [snapback]3886108[/snapback]
The truth is the one we call indones in our text books are our direct ancestors,ethnically,they split to borneans(from which bajau does belong) and tau(mainstream filipinos),then bisaya and manobo pushed those borneans south, actually capulenyo of capul island visayas is a samal-bajau language,a bornean subgroup,then malays and cham came to the philippines in visayas,in southern extremes of luzon and mindanao.

but genetically wise the bisayans are more genetically sundic while the people of luzon are more chinese.
http://www.sil.org/asia/Philippines/ical/h...onoun_recon.pdf



ethnically,thais are between filipinos and malays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ami_people


so aetas are chinese? confused.gif

from north to south, all filipinos look like malays except the chinese descendants and the aetas
nightvisiongoggles
QUOTE(tamang hinala @ Sep 23 2008, 04:09 PM) [snapback]3934453[/snapback]
so aetas are chinese? confused.gif

from north to south, all filipinos look like malays except the chinese descendants and the aetas



hi everyone, newbie here. anyway...
we all have to take into account that the philippines is a crossroads. with this in mind, we cannot deny that we have a considerable mixture of genes from neighboring regions, which could possibly mean that we don't have a true filipino homogeneity, which i think is the case. appearances and physical traits aren't as reliable as genetic ones, so to say that we filipinos are malay, or chinese, based on looks alone only adds to the confusion. then again, just because the genes say we're from taiwan doesn't mean that we're taiwanese.
what i mean is, what's the fuss if we have genes from an obscure taiwanese tribe and faces from indochina? americans are a great genetic babel, for crying out loud, and nobody's complaining.
while the japanese, koreans, and almost every other asian country can take pride in their genetic purity, we filipinos can take pride in what brings us together despite our differences, and that is our history. it's what has given us the meaning of being filipino.
Najjiah
suzuka is such a deluded bisexual.
orient
Filipinos are much better looking than Malays so Filipinos are not Malays. embarassedlaugh.gif
salamat
QUOTE(Najjiah @ Sep 23 2008, 11:45 AM) [snapback]3934825[/snapback]
suzuka is such a deluded bisexual.

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bananaque
i agree we are not the true people of this islands we have kick them out long long time ago the negritos and the aetas go to the mountains of mindanao and enter a village of the lumads if they will like you or maybe they will kill you
AntiBeast
QUOTE(bananaque @ Sep 23 2008, 03:07 PM) [snapback]3934928[/snapback]
i agree we are not the true people of this islands we have kick them out long long time ago the negritos and the aetas go to the mountains of mindanao and enter a village of the lumads if they will like you or maybe they will kill you


The concept of a "Malay" race is highly dubious. There is a tribe called "Malay" who speak the "Malay" language in Southeast Asia. However, the Javanese, Balinese, East Timorese, Acehnese, Tagalogs, Ilocanos, Cebuanos, Tausugs, Maguindanaoans, etc. are not "Malays" although ethno-linguistically they belong to the Malayo-Polynesian (not be confused with "Malay") subgroup of the Austronesian family. To call the indigenous tribes of the Philippines "Malay" is quite inaccurate.
maogmang_aki
yep, true!
I think the best way to call the IP or indigenous people of the Philippines is Filipino!
AntiBeast
QUOTE(maogmang_aki @ Sep 23 2008, 11:09 PM) [snapback]3935505[/snapback]
yep, true!
I think the best way to call the IP or indigenous people of the Philippines is Filipino!


This is even worse. The original meaning of the term "Filipino" was a white Spaniard native-born in the island colony. In fact, in Rizal's novels, that was how the term was used. The indigenous people of the Philippines were called "indios". "Filipinos" and "Philippines" are colonial terms. There are lots of colonial terms that were changed after the whites left: Burma is now Myanmar, Formosa is now called Taiwan, etc. Don't you think that Filipinos and the Philippines be called something else.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(AntiBeast @ Sep 24 2008, 02:56 AM) [snapback]3935752[/snapback]
This is even worse. The original meaning of the term "Filipino" was a white Spaniard native-born in the island colony. In fact, in Rizal's novels, that was how the term was used. The indigenous people of the Philippines were called "indios". "Filipinos" and "Philippines" are colonial terms. There are lots of colonial terms that were changed after the whites left: Burma is now Myanmar, Formosa is now called Taiwan, etc. Don't you think that Filipinos and the Philippines be called something else.

yes,change the name to maharlika,i like the term maharlikan,again our closest relatives are micronesians,borneans,malagasy and ami and yami(taiwan), gorontalo(north sulawesi),manado(north sulawesi) and sangirese(north sulawesi) are technically "filipinos".
senyum
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Sep 25 2008, 04:05 AM) [snapback]3937249[/snapback]
yes,change the name to maharlika,i like the term maharlikan,again our closest relatives are micronesians,borneans,malagasy and ami and yami(taiwan), gorontalo(north sulawesi),manado(north sulawesi) and sangirese(north sulawesi) are technically "filipinos".


Since when? Those regions mentioned above have always been apart of Indonesia...
tamang hinala
QUOTE(senyum @ Sep 25 2008, 06:06 PM) [snapback]3937290[/snapback]
Since when? Those regions mentioned above have always been apart of Indonesia...


because he claims that more than half of the population of the Philippines are east asian
Selkies
Malaysians indonesian and filipinos are the same stock the similarities are just staggering when i went to malaysia and indonesia i could not even tell the difference in between except for religion and language.
orient
Come on people. Stop obsessing whether Filipinos came from the Malay Archipelago or Taiwan.

These are all theories.

http://web.kssp.upd.edu.ph/linguistics/plc...I-2_Solheim.pdf


The important thing is how Filipino citizens regardless of ethnicity and religion can work together to make the country as advanced as some Asian countries.
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