I am sure many of you hear about lack of creativity among Asians. The main reason attributed is lack of individuality or conformity to the society. While the culture of Asia does inhibits creativity thinking, you also have to look at the reason behind it as well. For most of history, Asia was and still is formidable place for humans to live. Asia lacks the rich resources that Europe, especially Northern Europe has, ie rich fertile land, minerals, and precious metals. In order to survive in harsh environment as Asia, people needed to stick together and sacrifice individual needs for greater common goods of all people. The environment drove Asians to develop a society of conformity. However as Asia is getting richer, especially China, I am sure there will be more creativity thinking coming out of Asia. As someone here mentioned, wealth = creativity. When you are hungry, you don't give a sh*t about creativity and its only when your stomach is full, you can think outside of box.

Who takes White supremacists seriously?

Asia is rich in resources, it's europe that lacks it, but they made it good by robbing asia, africa and south america, geez do people even learn these basic facts in school these days ?? about creativity, china's modern art is booming, I predict that over 50 years, many chinese artists living today will be remembered as masters in modern art.

*looks at Korea and Japan*
lack of creativity?

Actually I have to disagree with you. Yes I do believe that Asia is rich in one most important resources, its people, but other than that its pretty deficient. Also regarding Europe, yes they did pillaged Asia, Africa and America, but it was only later stage of their development. Initially they had sufficient natural resources to jump start their industrial revolution. Europe, especially Northern Europe is rich in agricultural land ( you can't start think outside of box when your stomach is hungry ), modestly endowed with precious metals (ever heard of Saar in Germany, bordering France, its rich in coal and iron and was a major disputing point between Germany and France), and others ( ie rich fishing ground in North Sea, Baltic sea, and Med ). Have you been to France, Germany, UK, or Scandinavia ? Most of the country is flat and pretty hospitable land to settle and live.

But like I mentioned above, once Asians do get rich ( ie our stomach is full ), we will start to think outside of box, creativity.

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Yes that is what I mean. Only after when people's stomach is full, you could start thinking in creative ways. Exactly my point.

East Asians were the pioneers of chemistry, engineering, astrology, and technology millenniums before Europeans. It was the Europeans that copied and made improvements. Millenniums later its ironic that Westerners claim that East Asians lack creativity.

But I will admit, that the west has made ground breaking discoveries in all fields, including the nobel peace prize. But its coming back to us.

It really doesn't matter, as we do not need to win Nobel prices in order to show how creative we are. It obvious that we are, since a half of a nation, that is South Korea, applies for more patents than the whole Europe. Moreover, 99,99% of Nobel prices should be attributed to Western Europeans; since Eastern Europeans fare even worse in that department.

this lack of creativity stereotype might have something to do with the stereotype that asians are only good at math and scientific things, but lack innovation in more abstract areas or common sense, while whites somehow possess more ingenuity and street smarts and things like that

you're right, after developing more, i'm sure the mindset of the population will begin to change and move to other things

White people do not have more street smarts than Asians.

White people, innovative? You must be joking me.

creativity brilliance. lol

I agree with some of his points ~ the society structure of many asian countries does hinder creativity

China has no creativity whatsoever. These people suffer from a form of mental retardation when it comes to creativity. They always seem to steal other peoples designs.

China used to be creative but no more after yuan ~ song is the last creative dynasty .. well yuan still do better than ming after isolation I guess, the manchu pretty much blow the word 'creative'.

I think Japan has more creativity.

If you're talking about land, Europe is arguably the best in the world. It is also fairly rich in metals and stuff. East Asia basically has zilch; but it has lots of desert, tundra, mountain, steppe, and lots of earthquakes, volcanoes, typhoons, floods, sandstorms, plagues and blizzards.

i think the euros beat asians when it comes to plagues.

cough cough black plague...

dumb$hit

Nonsense. Japan and South Korea alone register just as many patents as the whole of Western Europe combined. If you take the populations into account, then Japan and South Korea register more patents per million people than any other nation in the world.


Let's not forget the South Asians and Middle-Easterners who were also pioneers of chemistry, engineering, astrology, technology, etc.

During the Middle Ages, the Europeans were far less creative than the Eastern civilizations, but ever since the scientific and industrial revolutions, their creativity surpassed all other civilizations. It was only in the past few decades that the East started catching up with the West.

You just proved my point dumbsh*t The reason why Japan and South Korea are inventing is cause most of their population is not starving.

uh you do know this originated with the Mongols right?

the thing is, they didn't b!tch about it like white people did.

Uh, 1/3 of Europeans died.

If you can't b!tch about that, what can you b!tch about?

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if japanese are not "creative" than i duno who is.

You were the one who claimed the "culture of Asia does inhibits creativity thinking", which is obviously a load of bullocks. Next time, do your research before making sweeping generalizations, "dumbsh*t".

Europeans would still be living in the dark ages if it weren't for Asia's and Africa's influences.

This thread is filled with a bunch of children bickering without any knowledge on the subject. That's how it always is on this forum. No one bothers to try and take an objective viewpoint and make a reasoned and mature statement. It's always just angry retorts made by people who feel offended, so they get angry and throw an insult - which offends another person who does the same thing. Repeat, forever.

Here is my neutral viewpoint. The truth is that Europeans certainly were not the only innovators or inventors. There is a wealth of invention in history from the Middle-east (Persians, etc), India, and Eastern Asia (mostly Japan & China). There are highly developed cultures in those areas, and some of the most ancient cultures (such as the Indus Valley from India, or the ancient Chinese civilization) had very advanced societies earlier than the Europeans. There is a book by D ick Teresi which chronicles the contributions of different parts of the world in math, science and invention. (Yes, the book was written by a white guy. Unlike people on this thread, the idea that other kinds of people invented things doesn't offend him). There are many things which Europeans discovered later than these others, which is also detailed in his book. So it is stupid to think that Europeans always invented first, or were the leaders at every point in history. If you go far back enough, they were actually trailing certain other parts of the world at some points.

However, at the same time, it is ridiculous to undermine or dismiss the fact that the Europeans did in fact get ahead of everyone else, by a long margin as well, and contributed a very, very great deal to the world. It is ridiculous to claim that, for example, the advanced studies of quantam mechanics, thermodynamics, atomic physics, electromagnetism, optics, particle physics, organic chemistry, biochemistry, and etc are just "improvements" or "nothing much, just copied". All the people who claim such things clearly do not know anything about the topic. There is no need to be offended by history. This can't be changed, it just happened this way in the past few hundred years.

This is the past, which you can't change. What you can affect is the future. Instead of whining and complaining about what has already happened, people should now focus on the reality of the current situation. The West has started to get lazier, while the East has started to become more modern and successful. I have little doubt that in the next period of history, the balance of invention will even out much more.

Yeah, I know my post is going to offend some idiot who's going to call me a self-hater, or accuse me of being white, or any of those other things that always happens whenever I speak from an objective perspective rather than a biased one. What else can I expect from this forum. "Asia's finest", yeah, right.

The question is "at what cost". There is no doubt that Europe (mainly Britain, France, Germany and Italy) contributed. However, they also committed many crimes that indirectly or directly fed into the loop that created these advancements in the first place- originally designed specifically to aid Europeans in conquest and colonization.

The only real thing that can be argued is that whether or not another civilization- say, African or Middle Eastern ones, in the same position would be worse. Europe took the world through a horrible but possibly necessary phase of human development which involved pooling the entire globe's resources into a common cause, which created innovation as a side effect.

The primary goal was to amass wealth and increase the living standards of Europeans. It was by accident, or through immense struggle and hardships, that others bought these technologies they helped fund.

In essence your viewpoint is entirely flawed- being the rich man or the innovator of the world from the 16th to 21st century is a privileged position attained, at least over the others, through luck. It isn't something inherent in the culture or genes. As history has actually shown, Europe is indeed much more prone to groupthink and violence than East Asia.

95% of Native Americans were wiped out. 100% of the Natives (Arawak Indians) in the Caribbean who numbered over 10 million before the arrival of the Europeans were all but wiped out in a decade- Now that's something to b!tch about.

Asia and the Middle East maybe, but Africa never contributed anything other than its resources.

Maybe Asian influence but definitely not African.

Yes Europeans did commit some of the worst atrocities in history but they have also made some of the greatest contributions. So I guess their negatives and positives cancel each other out?

Most of the Native Americans were wiped out through miscegenations. They are wiping themselves out due to their high rate of marrying outside their race. It's their own fault.

Before Europeans starting pillaging resources across the world, they were developing a strong emphasis on education and rationality. They adopted the "scientific method" from the Arabs and the bull$hit of Christianity was starting to be ignored. Universities were appearing, and great polymaths (such as Copernicus) were finally able to study and teach science without being burned at the stake for alleged witchcraft. This period of time was called the "Renaissance." You may have heard about it before.

This huge change in culture would a couple centuries later produce the works of the most influential and revolutionary scientist the world has seen: Isaac Newton. His 'Principia Mathematica' alone launched Europe ahead of the rest of the world in science and math, and sparked the 'scientific revolution.'

Europe didn't advance from pillaging resources across the world, they advanced 'cause they had accumulated knowledge no one else had. They wouldn't have even been able to rampage across the world had they not developed bigger ships, deadlier weapons, and better navigational systems beforehand. And their incentive to leave Europe was because they were resource hungry from all their scientific endevaurs and changes in society.



Egypt alone contributed more to western civilization than all of Asia. Without Egypt, there wouldn't have been a Greece.

Trying to deny the Moors' occupation of the Iberian peninsula is illogical and outlandish. Of course they influenced that region of Europe with their mathematics, medicine, architecture, cosmetics, language, and religion. It's almost like trying to deny Mongol rule over China. You have to give credit where credit is due.

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come on the chinese contributed like paper and gunpowder i think. maybe some other stuff. but to say that they were advanced millenia before europeans is too much. i mean the ancient greeks and romans had some pretty important contributions to science, architecture, math, literature, and other things as well. and don't forget the mesopotamians with their wheel and egyptians with their writing and stuff

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Wheel didn't transfer to East Asia, it was independently invented. And writing was in development in China long, long before Egypt. Btw Mesopotamia's writing precedes Egypt's.



lol, it is the main driving force behind their status. It hasn't stopped, btw, see Iraq.

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I don't remember anyone in here claiming that any particular group were the only innovators or inventors. I doubt anyone would deny the obvious fact that the West has been the most creative civilization for the past few centuries, nor that the East was more creative during the Middle Ages.


The Mongols and Japanese were also genocidal at the height of their power.


Isaac Newton didn't spark the 'scientific revolution', but he was the one who concluded it after 'standing on the shoulders of giants' who came before him. He combined Copernicus' heliocentric theory with Galileo's experiments on motion and Kepler's mathematical laws of planetary motion to form his famous laws of motion and gravity. And that is the story of the 'scientific revolution' (the short version).


And without Mesopotamia, there wouldn't have been an Egypt. Mesopotamia was, after all, the 'cradle of civilization' (or at least the cradle of Western civilization), and Mesopotamia is in Asia, unless you only meant East Asia, but that's not what it sounded like you were suggesting by saying 'all of Asia'.


Possibly, but it's uncertain whether or not China created the wheel independently. Assuming you're referring to the Jiahu symbols, most historians do not consider the symbols found in prehistoric cultures (i.e. proto-writing) to be writing systems. The problem with prehistoric symbols is that it's hard to tell whether they're meant to be pictures or text, due to the strings of symbols being very short in length, unlike the very lengthy sequences of symbols found in the oldest Cuneiform and Hieroglyphic texts.

Regardless, between 6,000 BC and 1,800 BC there is a large unknown because you have on one hand some tortoise shells with a few symbols resembling "jian" "kan" and "ri" and then on the other several hundred complex characters.

There are still a lot of neolithic sites to dig up in China, something like 95% of them are still buried.

I don't understand the original message of the OP. If creativity was something Asians lack, then I highly doubt Europe would become the conqueror of the world as they are today. Gunpowder was the driving force of the European expansions was it not? As artistry is concern, most Asian cultures weren't as much into depicting life and realism as Europeans during the Renaissance were, but Asia is a hotbed for highly developed art forms. From China, Japan and Korea drew their inspirations from their paintings and decors. From India, Southeast Asia created masterpieces of architecture and performance art.



Egyptians and various north African peoples interacted with the Europeans and their influence was heavy. Without Egypt, who's to say that history would be what it is today? Without the Moors, what would had happen to Spain? This is something that isn't unknown, you just have to read more on it.

Its sad really to see most people ignore the Sub-Saharan Africans. Even though they lacked much of technology and advances of the rest of the world, their culture wasn't savagery. The Ethiopians, Shona and other Bantu speakers all created powerful empires and had a lasting influence in their respective regions.



Then you have to ignore what is not yet known.

Egypt is considered the middle east

ROFL LMAO

Look at a map, Egypt is right in Africa. There is no denying it.

HAHAHA. Try going up to an Egyptian and call him an African.

I don't need to. Egyptians can't deny their African, and I'm not as senseless as you. Look at the map then speak to me.