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sibazoda
I read a passage from someone who live in Thailand that Pra Kio, the glass budha that was taken by the Thai when they invaded Vietian, was originally belong to Thailand.

Is that true?
kingstickyrice
QUOTE(sibazoda @ Jul 22 2008, 04:09 PM) [snapback]3824753[/snapback]
I read a passage from someone who live in Thailand that Pra Kio, the glass budha that was taken by the Thai when they invaded Vietian, was originally belong to Thailand.

Is that true?
Hell no!!
Buddhalove
QUOTE(sibazoda @ Jul 22 2008, 03:09 PM) [snapback]3824753[/snapback]
I read a passage from someone who live in Thailand that Pra Kio, the glass budha that was taken by the Thai when they invaded Vietian, was originally belong to Thailand.

Is that true?


Jade Buddha not glass Buddha.
sibazoda
let me print out what she wrote and see it i can translate it
sibazoda
QUOTE(Buddhalove @ Jul 22 2008, 03:43 PM) [snapback]3824814[/snapback]
Jade Buddha not glass Buddha.


I see. I thought "kio" means glass.
DeeJai
QUOTE(sibazoda @ Jul 22 2008, 03:09 PM) [snapback]3824753[/snapback]
I read a passage from someone who live in Thailand that Pra Kio, the glass budha that was taken by the Thai when they invaded Vietian, was originally belong to Thailand.

Is that true?


Pa Keo Mor-la-kot never belong to Thailand. The Emerald Buddha was in Laos for 200 years before the Thais came and stole it.

There's 2 Pa Keo Mor-la-kot.

One fake and One Real. The fake One is on display for the public. And the Real One is kept in the King's Palace and only the Thai king have access to it. The Real Emerald Buddha is locked down with a Golden Chain.
kingstickyrice
I heard Pra Keo has a brother.They both can't be seperated.....
sibazoda
I got this from this site:

http://www.intaram.org/community/news/view...=ForumID0000002
sibazoda
so what's the history of Pra Keo?

Buddhalove
QUOTE(sibazoda @ Jul 22 2008, 03:46 PM) [snapback]3824817[/snapback]
I see. I thought "kio" means glass.


Yes, Keo means glass, and people call Pra keo for short, and it's misleading. We call Pra Keo Mor La khot or Emerald Buddha. It makes up of jade.
DeeJai
Don't listen to anything that come out the mouth of Thai people.

This is what the Emerald Buddha look like. We call it Pa Keo Mor-la-Kot. This one is a duplicate and not the real one. From what I heard, there's been talk in recent years from some of the High-Ranking Monks in Thailand telling the Thai king to return the Emerald Buddha back to Laos...

kingstickyrice
QUOTE(sibazoda @ Jul 22 2008, 05:01 PM) [snapback]3824838[/snapback]
so what's the history of Pra Keo?

From what I heard.Pra Keo been to many countries in southeast asia.I'ts been to Cambodia,Laos,Burma and now Thailand got it.. I heard have a brother.One turn into a cow and the other turn into the emerald buddha.And they both is believe to be in Thailand.I'm not sure but I think one that transform into a cow is call Pra Kuut..
sibazoda
From what the guy tells this story he said that Pra Keo was given to Thailand due to wars in India. Pra Keo was in Thailand long before the King gave to Luang Prabang and then from Luang Prabang to Vietian, and then from the invasion, the Jade Budha was taken back to Thailand.
Buddhalove
It used to belong to Lanna, and Lanna was not part of Siam back then. Chao Chaiyasetta was the ruler of both Lanna and Lanxang, he relocated emerald buddha within his territory to Viengchan and it stayed there over 200 years; then Rama I crushed Viengchan took Emerald Buddha, princes and princess, Chao Anouvong was one of them and he was around 12 years old during that time. He went back to Bangkock, staged a coup, killed his boss, chinese king Thaksin of thonbouli and proclaimed himself king of Siam.
DeeJai
QUOTE(sibazoda @ Jul 22 2008, 04:17 PM) [snapback]3824862[/snapback]
From what the guy tells this story he said that Pra Keo was given to Thailand due to wars in India. Pra Keo was in Thailand long before the King gave to Luang Prabang and then from Luang Prabang to Vietian, and then from the invasion, the Jade Budha was taken back to Thailand.


Hahahahahahahahaha. This is almost as funny as the "Lands of Thailand" video. embarassedlaugh.gif
sibazoda
QUOTE(Buddhalove @ Jul 22 2008, 04:30 PM) [snapback]3824886[/snapback]
It used to belong to Lanna, and Lanna was not part of Siam back then. Chao Chaiyasetta was the ruler of both Lanna and Lanxang, he relocated emerald buddha within his territory to Viengchan and it stayed there over 200 years; then Rama I crushed Viengchan took Emerald Buddha, princes and princess, Chao Anouvong was one of them and he was around 12 years old during that time. He went back to Bangkock, staged a coup, killed his boss, chinese king Thaksin of thonbouli and proclaimed himself king of Siam.


I see. Ok then he was right. The problem is he didn't say Lanna was part of Laos. He was more like Lanna was Thai.
DeeJai
QUOTE(sibazoda @ Jul 22 2008, 05:15 PM) [snapback]3824963[/snapback]
I see. Ok then he was right. The problem is he didn't say Lanna was part of Laos. He was more like Lanna was Thai.


So he wasn't right then.
sibazoda
QUOTE(DeeJai @ Jul 22 2008, 05:19 PM) [snapback]3824966[/snapback]
So he wasn't right then.


That's a shame. I know. If Lanna is Thai then Laos should also be Thai also and vise versa.
Buddhalove
QUOTE(sibazoda @ Jul 22 2008, 05:28 PM) [snapback]3824977[/snapback]
That's a shame. I know. If Lanna is Thai then Laos should also be Thai also and vise versa.


This is more like: If Singapore is full of Chinese then it should be part of China too. What do you think Singaporean would say.
elephantking
QUOTE(DeeJai @ Jul 22 2008, 02:07 PM) [snapback]3824848[/snapback]
Don't listen to anything that come out the mouth of Thai people.

This is what the Emerald Buddha look like. We call it Pa Keo Mor-la-Kot. This one is a duplicate and not the real one. From what I heard, there's been talk in recent years from some of the High-Ranking Monks in Thailand telling the Thai king to return the Emerald Buddha back to Laos...




There will be a civil war in any land that the Pra Keo is in right now . Its not a good time and its not the right time for the Pra keo to return yet . It will be return to Laos but not yet . Any land the prakeo sits the leaders will fights each other . The monks and Sangha will seperates and divide . There will be nothing but a bunch of holes and ditches in that land . The people will break into many groups and fight each other . Noo Noi Si long Loy luat . Thailand will be swimming in a pool of blood .

THere are two statue that were taken from Laos that brings destruction . Pra keo is one of them .

After all this happen then the Pra keo will be brought back to Viengchan.
Goombaking209
Pra Keo = Preah Kaew ? I think you guys are talking about the Preak Kaew Preah Ko legend. A humanoid Prince and his brother, the Bison (cow) God. They were actually two statues that brought prosperity to Cambodia, at the same time they also weakened the morals of the people.
Starsgazer
QUOTE(elephantking @ Jul 22 2008, 08:30 PM) [snapback]3825302[/snapback]
There will be a civil war in any land that the Pra Keo is in right now . Its not a good time and its not the right time for the Pra keo to return yet . It will be return to Laos but not yet . Any land the prakeo sits the leaders will fights each other . The monks and Sangha will seperates and divide . There will be nothing but a bunch of holes and ditches in that land . The people will break into many groups and fight each other . Noo Noi Si long Loy luat . Thailand will be swimming in a pool of blood .

THere are two statue that were taken from Laos that brings destruction . Pra keo is one of them .

After all this happen then the Pra keo will be brought back to Viengchan.


If that was the case no need to bring it back to Lao.
Goombaking209
If we are talking about the same Preah Kaew, then Its best if it stays in Thailand. Pra Keo is a curse as well as a blessing. I'd rather make my own blessings than to rely on one that also curses.
Starsgazer
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Jul 22 2008, 09:45 PM) [snapback]3825473[/snapback]
If we are talking about the same Preah Kaew, then Its best if it stays in Thailand. Pra Keo is a curse as well as a blessing. I'd rather make my own blessings than to rely on one that also curses.


Yeah, I rather have blessing and more blessing. beerchug.gif
JaNko
I've never gotten into this whole Pra, thingy. In my family we have so many different religion, I know when my grandma passed away- a lot of my family members the guys shaved their head and eyebrow off and the ladies of the family wore a white robe except for my sister and I. My grandfather told us we didn't have to do it because my grandma's didn't raise us on that religion and she would only want us to pay her, her respect the best we know how as she raised us to be individuals, leaders and never to follow anyone else beliefs if you don't believe in them as well. My uncle and such are really into that as well as my grandpa.
Goombaking209
QUOTE(JaNko @ Jul 23 2008, 05:36 AM) [snapback]3826321[/snapback]
I've never gotten into this whole Pra, thingy. In my family we have so many different religion, I know when my grandma passed away- a lot of my family members the guys shaved their the hair on their head and eyebrow off and the ladies of the family wore a white robe except for my sister and I. My grandfather told us we didn't have to do it because my grandma's didn't raise us on that religion and she would only want us to pay her, her respect the best we know how as she raised us to be individuals, leaders and never to follow anyone else beliefs if you don't believe in them as well. My uncle and such are really into that as well as my grandpa.


That's sweet .. I think... but what the hell are you talking about? confused.gif
JaNko
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Jul 23 2008, 09:10 AM) [snapback]3826373[/snapback]
That's sweet .. I think... but what the hell are you talking about? confused.gif



Isn't that a part of the religion? lol it doesn't equates the Buddhist religion?
elephantking
QUOTE(Starsgazer @ Jul 22 2008, 06:54 PM) [snapback]3825362[/snapback]
If that was the case no need to bring it back to Lao.

http://s136.photobucket.com/albums/q185/el...akotGeosits.jpg

If you can read lao then read this . This is from the book of Buddha Tumnai . It is the faith of Thailand today . Thailand is the land that has Pra Geo MOrakot . The leaders of Thailand will to go war with each other . The land will be a pool of bloodshed . Noy Noi si long loy luat .
sibazoda
QUOTE(elephantking @ Jul 23 2008, 09:24 AM) [snapback]3826440[/snapback]
http://s136.photobucket.com/albums/q185/el...akotGeosits.jpg

If you can read lao then read this . This is from the book of Buddha Tumnai . It is the faith of Thailand today . Thailand is the land that has Pra Geo MOrakot . The leaders of Thailand will to go war with each other . The land will be a pool of bloodshed . Noy Noi si long loy luat .


why do you say that? Is that a prophecy?

How powerful is Pra Keo? What sort of things that has happen in the past as part of this budha?
Goombaking209
QUOTE(JaNko @ Jul 23 2008, 07:05 AM) [snapback]3826425[/snapback]
Isn't that a part of the religion? lol it doesn't equates the Buddhist religion?


laugh.gif Pra Keo is an emeral buddha figure. The legend about Pra Keo and his brother, who is a cow god also exists in Cambodia. It tells the story of why and how Cambodia suffers while Thailand prospers. I'm not sure if the Lao version is different though.
Buddhalove
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Jul 22 2008, 09:45 PM) [snapback]3825473[/snapback]
If we are talking about the same Preah Kaew, then Its best if it stays in Thailand. Pra Keo is a curse as well as a blessing. I'd rather make my own blessings than to rely on one that also curses.


Laos, Cambodia, Somalia, Sudan don't have Pra Kieow in their procession, but still trouble in the country.
Goombaking209
QUOTE(Buddhalove @ Jul 23 2008, 02:25 PM) [snapback]3826925[/snapback]
Laos, Cambodia, Somalia, Sudan don't have Pra Kieow in their procession, but still trouble in the country.


Look at Thailand and their current problems. That is the curse, the people rely on Pra Keo's blessing too much that they have become very secular in their buddhist beliefs.
applepannic
Its called a "legend."
Buddhalove
Legend fit me better, but of course doesn't appy to everyone.
DeeJai
QUOTE(elephantking @ Jul 22 2008, 08:30 PM) [snapback]3825302[/snapback]
There will be a civil war in any land that the Pra Keo is in right now . Its not a good time and its not the right time for the Pra keo to return yet . It will be return to Laos but not yet . Any land the prakeo sits the leaders will fights each other . The monks and Sangha will seperates and divide . There will be nothing but a bunch of holes and ditches in that land . The people will break into many groups and fight each other . Noo Noi Si long Loy luat . Thailand will be swimming in a pool of blood .

THere are two statue that were taken from Laos that brings destruction . Pra keo is one of them .

After all this happen then the Pra keo will be brought back to Viengchan.


Have you heard people say that Pa Keo wanna go back to Muang Lao because he wants to eat Khao Nieow and Pa Daek. LOL Some say when you see a ray of light at night that's the spirit of Pa Keo flying to Muang Lao. I think if Pa Keo really wanna leave, I don't think the Thai can stop him.
sibazoda
What's the story of Pra Keo in Laos version? I curious. I like to know why it becomes an very important Budha in SEA.

Buddhalove
We already told you.
elephantking


QUOTE(sibazoda @ Jul 23 2008, 01:37 PM) [snapback]3826875[/snapback]
why do you say that? Is that a prophecy?

How powerful is Pra Keo? What sort of things that has happen in the past as part of this budha?

Thats the book called Buddha tumnai . Tumnai means prophecy. Buddha tumnai book is a prophecy about the buddhist religion. The Buddha stated that his teaching will only last 5000 years . The Lord Buddha forsees alot of thing . The buddha told about where his teaching will go and what land it will be in , in different time period . In this book he also talked about how his students will end up in certain periods of time . He talked about many lands and area of where his teaching will reach and the fate of the land . He describe the events that will happen to the buddhist community in certain areas and land .

He describe a return of another Holy man but before that holy man comes there will be many bloodshed and terrible things happening in many areas of the world . I find it really similar to the prophecy of the Christian bible when he talks about the events in different time .

The land that is describe as what is now Thailand will be in a civil war . It mention the description of the emerald buddha and what will happen to the Sangha ( buddhist community ) in Thailand . IT also mention about Laos being prosper and Thailand having to depend on Laos . It stated that when the children of the yellow skin man comes to Laos it will be the beginning of the Laos properity . The children of the yellow skin man is the Chinese people .

The one in Laos was lost for 200 years . It was returned the the Vietnamese government to the royal Lao government . When the communist came in they ordered it to be burnt. My grandfather has one of the last copy of it so I flew to laos to find who has it when he died . I then got a copy of it from Palm leaf into mordern paper.

My grandfather has many of the book from the Tad Luang monument in Laos . When he died it was all donated to the buddhist temple . It was all in Palm leaf. Many of it was in the Lao dharma (lanna script) script . Alot of people in town didn't know the value of it so they read it and some were thrown away.

There were two books that I know where to find . One is the Buddha tumnai and one is the teaching of the Tad luang . One man has the book that holds the teaching of the Tad Luang but the man denies he has it . This man is my relative . I told the man I'm not gonna take it , I just want to copy it . It did belong to my grandfather . So I didn't get a copy of that book .

There were many other books but the elders in the town did not want me to see it . They said it is not good for a young person to read the history of Viengchan or see these book . They said it will only put anger and hate in a young persons heart . They told me to wait till I get alittle older .


THats all the information I will give you thou . I started a topic about it in the Thai section and Mr Goody wanna be Bounty F#cked it up so I have not interest to give anymore information out . At first I was going to call the IP TV for the copy on the Thai channel and gathered up all the information to show the online community . I was also gonna give out information that was not told to the public but someone got stupid .
Goombaking209
How does Pra Keo tie into Lao history? At what point in time?
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