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Teach the truth: Takeshima part of Japan

The Yomiuri Shimbun

It is the vital responsibility of the school education system to properly teach children about their country's territory and history.

An instruction manual for the education ministry's new curriculum guidelines for social studies at middle schools mentions for the first time that students should be taught that the disputed Takeshima group of islets, which South Korea calls Dokdo and claims as sovereign territory, is Japan's territory.

The Takeshima islets are an integral part of our nation's territory historically and according to international law. This is the position the Japanese government has steadfastly maintained.

The four Russian-held islands off eastern Hokkaido, known as the northern territories, have been described as part of Japan's territory not only in the Education, Science and Technology Ministry's curriculum guidelines and in its instruction manual, but also in all 14 textbooks on geography and civics used in middle schools. Four textbooks have already carried descriptions of the Takeshima islets. The ministry was too late in describing the Takeshima islets as part of Japan in the instruction manual.

After reports on Japan's plan to mention the Takeshima islets in the curriculum instruction manual, South Korean President Lee Myung Bak expressed concern, and the South Korean National Assembly adopted a resolution calling on the Japanese education ministry not to include mention of the Takeshima islets as an integral part of Japanese territory.

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Diplomatic consideration

The instruction manual avoided a direct description of the Takeshima islets as "an integral part of our nation's territory."

The instruction manual calls for appropriately treating "the northern territories as part of our nation's territory," while it instructs teachers "to provide a deeper understanding of our nation's territory" by treating the Takeshima islets "in a manner comparable to that used in dealing with the northern territories." In doing so, the manual calls for teachers to refer to disagreement between Japan and South Korea over territorial claim to the Takeshima islets.

This shows a measure of a diplomatic consideration for South Korea. The South Korean government is strongly opposing Japan's move, as demonstrated by its plan to temporarily recall South Korean Ambassador to Japan Kwon Chul Hyun. We hope that Seoul responds to the matter calmly.

By the mid-17th century, or the early part of the Edo period (1603-1867), Japan had established its sovereignty over the Takeshima islets. In 1905, the islets were incorporated into the jurisdiction of Shimane Prefecture, with the move finalized at a Cabinet meeting.

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Seized territory

The circumstances took an abrupt turn shortly before the San Francisco Peace Treaty, which stipulates the post-World War II territory of Japan, went into effect in 1952. Then South Korean President Syngman Rhee suddenly declared sovereignty over the waters around South Korea and drew a line in the Sea of Japan to claim the Takeshima islets as part of his nation's territory. Since then, South Korea has unlawfully occupied the islets.

South Korea is a neighboring country with which Japan has to closely cooperate in scrapping North Korea's nuclear weapons program and resolving the dispute over its abduction of Japanese.

However, what the Japanese should be taught in school--issues relating to their territory included--is a matter that can affect their sovereignty. Diplomatic consideration belongs in a different category from that covering an obligation to pass the history of a sovereign state and accurate facts about its territory onto upcoming generations.

Different from the curriculum guidelines, the instruction manual is not legally binding. But its significance is not negligible in that it will serve as a guideline for the editing of school textbooks by publishers and for classroom teaching.

Based on the spirit of the instruction manual, publishers have to commit themselves to provide easy-to-understand explanations in their textbooks while teachers must properly educate students.

Solving the territorial dispute over the Takeshima islets is a difficult task. For this reason, it is vital that the Japanese people correctly understand the issue and can state their case to the international community.

(From The Yomiuri Shimbun, July 15, 2008)
(Jul. 15, 2008)


http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/editorial/20080715TDY04304.htm
Dokbokki
Yomiuri Shimbun is known to be Anti-Korean, and all of their articles don't carry much values other than showing up ultra-right wing opinions.

Bringing San Francisco Peace Treaty is nothing do with Korea, since Korea wasn't even invited, any treaties dating back 1905/1910 and SF peace treaty doesn't concern Korea.

If Japan wants Dokdo, first they have win the war with Korea and I don't see this coming now. laugh.gif

I've already request Mods to ban this Chinilpa considering this lone some have been posting nothing but inciting hatreds towards to Korea and useless arguments only to bring more his dirt to this forum.

Haven't you seen your other post have been deleted from this chat?

Why would some lone Hawaiian guy like you cares about Japan and Korea?
EvilAsianDude
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Teach the truth: Takeshima part of Japan

The Yomiuri Shimbun

It is the vital responsibility of the school education system to properly teach children about their country's territory and history.


Its not Takeshima. Its Dokdo. Takeshima = bamboo island. There is no bamboo on Dokdo.



Wheres the bamboo? I dont see any bamboo on the islands. And dont you just love the beautiful scenery and Korean jet fighters flying over Dokdo? embarassedlaugh.gif

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An instruction manual for the education ministry's new curriculum guidelines for social studies at middle schools mentions for the first time that students should be taught that the disputed Takeshima group of islets, which South Korea calls Dokdo and claims as sovereign territory, is Japan's territory.

The Takeshima islets are an integral part of our nation's territory historically and according to international law. This is the position the Japanese government has steadfastly maintained.


And yet Japan cannot provide any evidence to its claims.

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The four Russian-held islands off eastern Hokkaido, known as the northern territories, have been described as part of Japan's territory not only in the Education, Science and Technology Ministry's curriculum guidelines and in its instruction manual, but also in all 14 textbooks on geography and civics used in middle schools. Four textbooks have already carried descriptions of the Takeshima islets. The ministry was too late in describing the Takeshima islets as part of Japan in the instruction manual.

After reports on Japan's plan to mention the Takeshima islets in the curriculum instruction manual, South Korean President Lee Myung Bak expressed concern, and the South Korean National Assembly adopted a resolution calling on the Japanese education ministry not to include mention of the Takeshima islets as an integral part of Japanese territory.


Translation: Japan has territorial disputes with all of their neighbors including their ally- Taiwan. Even the Taiwanese are sick and tired of Japanese lies.

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Diplomatic consideration

The instruction manual avoided a direct description of the Takeshima islets as "an integral part of our nation's territory."

The instruction manual calls for appropriately treating "the northern territories as part of our nation's territory," while it instructs teachers "to provide a deeper understanding of our nation's territory" by treating the Takeshima islets "in a manner comparable to that used in dealing with the northern territories." In doing so, the manual calls for teachers to refer to disagreement between Japan and South Korea over territorial claim to the Takeshima islets.

This shows a measure of a diplomatic consideration for South Korea. The South Korean government is strongly opposing Japan's move, as demonstrated by its plan to temporarily recall South Korean Ambassador to Japan Kwon Chul Hyun. We hope that Seoul responds to the matter calmly.

By the mid-17th century, or the early part of the Edo period (1603-1867), Japan had established its sovereignty over the Takeshima islets. In 1905, the islets were incorporated into the jurisdiction of Shimane Prefecture, with the move finalized at a Cabinet meeting.


Japan never claimed Dokdo or owned Dokdo by the 17th century. On the contrary they executed Japanese fishermen who landed on Dokdo. Implying that it was Korean. What 17th century document are they referring to? Japanese delusions at its finest. They need to quit eating Mercury laden fish. It causes brain damage.

Funny thing is even the Japanese government does not recognize any Japanese claim predating 1905. LOL what a $hitty newspaper. Cant even get its facts right or is aware of their own position.

Last but not least Japans 1905 claim is invalid. It broke the law and cannot be used in court as evidence. By international law, territory must not be annexed for military purposes. Japanese naval records, documents and surveys clearly indicate the Dokdo was annexed for military purposes. A military light house was even built on the island and Russian documents also indicates its military purposes. Another poignant fact is that the Japanese government did not publically announce the annexation of Dokdo or tell the Korean government until 1 year later. This further invalidates Japanese claims to the island. The 1905 claim to Dokdo is illegal, immoral and invalidate. The Japanese without their precious 1905 claim no longer has any claims to the island. Zip, zero, nadda. Their entire argument falls into the sea.

Conclusion: Japan never claimed Dokdo. They have yet to make a legal claim to Dokdo. japans oldest claim to Dokdo occurred AFTER 1945 when Korea was already in possession. Koreas claims on the island are centuries old.


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Seized territory

The circumstances took an abrupt turn shortly before the San Francisco Peace Treaty, which stipulates the post-World War II territory of Japan, went into effect in 1952. Then South Korean President Syngman Rhee suddenly declared sovereignty over the waters around South Korea and drew a line in the Sea of Japan to claim the Takeshima islets as part of his nation's territory. Since then, South Korea has unlawfully occupied the islets.

South Korea is a neighboring country with which Japan has to closely cooperate in scrapping North Korea's nuclear weapons program and resolving the dispute over its abduction of Japanese.

However, what the Japanese should be taught in school--issues relating to their territory included--is a matter that can affect their sovereignty. Diplomatic consideration belongs in a different category from that covering an obligation to pass the history of a sovereign state and accurate facts about its territory onto upcoming generations.

Different from the curriculum guidelines, the instruction manual is not legally binding. But its significance is not negligible in that it will serve as a guideline for the editing of school textbooks by publishers and for classroom teaching.

Based on the spirit of the instruction manual, publishers have to commit themselves to provide easy-to-understand explanations in their textbooks while teachers must properly educate students.

Solving the territorial dispute over the Takeshima islets is a difficult task. For this reason, it is vital that the Japanese people correctly understand the issue and can state their case to the international community.

(From The Yomiuri Shimbun, July 15, 2008)
(Jul. 15, 2008)


Japanese claims and support evidence is weak. Korea already controls the islands and there is nothing the Japanese can do about it. Cry all you want, Koreans will simply laugh at you kids and fly our jet planes over the islands just to send a message.
kaizen
Teach the truth? japanese can't even teach their kids the real true history. LoL
Chinilpa
QUOTE(Dokbokki @ Jul 23 2008, 05:51 PM) *
Yomiuri Shimbun is known to be Anti-Korean, and all of their articles don't carry much values other than showing up ultra-right wing opinions.

Bringing San Francisco Peace Treaty is nothing do with Korea, since Korea wasn't even invited, any treaties dating back 1905/1910 and SF peace treaty doesn't concern Korea.

If Japan wants Dokdo, first they have win the war with Korea and I don't see this coming now. laugh.gif

I've already request Mods to ban this Chinilpa considering this lone some have been posting nothing but inciting hatreds towards to Korea and useless arguments only to bring more his dirt to this forum.

Haven't you seen your other post have been deleted from this chat?

Why would some lone Hawaiian guy like you cares about Japan and Korea?


Yomiuri is the largest newspaper in Japan (and the world too) and is generally known to be centrist in terms of its editorial stance. Its hardly a "right-wing" paper.

If the San Francisco Peace Treaty has nothing to do with Korea, then there would not be a country by the name of "Daehanming@@k" on the southern half of the Korean peninsula, nor would there be a DPRK on the north.

QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Jul 23 2008, 06:38 PM) *
Its not Takeshima. Its Dokdo. Takeshima = bamboo island. There is no bamboo on Dokdo.



Wheres the bamboo? I dont see any bamboo on the islands. And dont you just love the beautiful scenery and Korean jet fighters flying over Dokdo? embarassedlaugh.gif
And yet Japan cannot provide any evidence to its claims.
Translation: Japan has territorial disputes with all of their neighbors including their ally- Taiwan. Even the Taiwanese are sick and tired of Japanese lies.
Japan never claimed Dokdo or owned Dokdo by the 17th century. On the contrary they executed Japanese fishermen who landed on Dokdo. Implying that it was Korean. What 17th century document are they referring to? Japanese delusions at its finest. They need to quit eating Mercury laden fish. It causes brain damage.

Funny thing is even the Japanese government does not recognize any Japanese claim predating 1905. LOL what a $hitty newspaper. Cant even get its facts right or is aware of their own position.

Last but not least Japans 1905 claim is invalid. It broke the law and cannot be used in court as evidence. By international law, territory must not be annexed for military purposes. Japanese naval records, documents and surveys clearly indicate the Dokdo was annexed for military purposes. A military light house was even built on the island and Russian documents also indicates its military purposes. Another poignant fact is that the Japanese government did not publically announce the annexation of Dokdo or tell the Korean government until 1 year later. This further invalidates Japanese claims to the island. The 1905 claim to Dokdo is illegal, immoral and invalidate. The Japanese without their precious 1905 claim no longer has any claims to the island. Zip, zero, nadda. Their entire argument falls into the sea.

Conclusion: Japan never claimed Dokdo. They have yet to make a legal claim to Dokdo. japans oldest claim to Dokdo occurred AFTER 1945 when Korea was already in possession. Koreas claims on the island are centuries old.
Japanese claims and support evidence is weak. Korea already controls the islands and there is nothing the Japanese can do about it. Cry all you want, Koreans will simply laugh at you kids and fly our jet planes over the islands just to send a message.


I know, Korea's legal claims over Takeshima is so strong that they refuse to go to the ICJ to settle it.
indacut
QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Jul 23 2008, 04:38 PM) *
Its not Takeshima. Its Dokdo. Takeshima = bamboo island. There is no bamboo on Dokdo.



Wheres the bamboo? I dont see any bamboo on the islands. And dont you just love the beautiful scenery and Korean jet fighters flying over Dokdo? embarassedlaugh.gif
And yet Japan cannot provide any evidence to its claims.



LOL.

I love it too.
Dokbokki
QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 24 2008, 11:32 AM) *
Yomiuri is the largest newspaper in Japan (and the world too) and is generally known to be centrist in terms of its editorial stance. Its hardly a "right-wing" paper.

If the San Francisco Peace Treaty has nothing to do with Korea, then there would not be a country by the name of "Daehanming@@k" on the southern half of the Korean peninsula, nor would there be a DPRK on the north.
I know, Korea's legal claims over Takeshima is so strong that they refuse to go to the ICJ to settle it.


laugh.gif that's very childish argument, grow up chin
bbundaegi
Well, take it from me...someone who actually has taught in the Korean school system and has seen the garbage that they try to pass off as "history" including such outrageous claims of the Korean War as as:

- The Korean War was not started by the invasion of the south by N. Korea, but by the invasion of the North by US troops. (Funny...US troops weren't even there)
- The US and Russia decided to start the Korean War because they could not let the ammunition leftover from WWII to go to waste.
- Korea singlehandedly defeated both Japan and N.Korea to win the Korean War. The US is not mentioned at all...even the atomic bombs. Thus, Koreans miraculously defeated Japan without US help.
- Kim Jong Il and Kim Il Sung are the most generous and kindest leaders in the world who only want peace and would never dream of harming others. They live humbly just like all of the common citizens in N. Korea.
- N. Korea is a utopian state where everyone is happy since there is no foreign influence at all. An ideal state is a purely Korean state.

Seriously, the stuff that Korean schools teach their children is downright frightening...Korean textbooks make Japanese textbooks look child's play when it comes to fabrication. It's all because of the highly successful ploys from N. Korean communist sympathizers who have been able to successfully and covertly through spying activities to infiltrate, influence and breed a whole generation of xenophobic and racist communist thinkers in the S. Korea teachers union.

That's what's really strange about the left wing in Korea compared to the leftists in other first world countries. In western first world countries, left wing socialists are the crusaders of equality among humans, the champions of basic rights for all humans, and champions for tolerance of all people regardless of race, ethnicity, creed, or religion.

However, the Korean left wing is nothing more than nationalistic, racist facists whose ideology would make even the Nazis, Uyoku Nationslists, or Ku Klux Klan lower their head in shame. Nothing liberal at all about Korea's left.
bbundaegi
QUOTE(Chinilpa @ Jul 23 2008, 08:32 PM) *
I know, Korea's legal claims over Takeshima is so strong that they refuse to go to the ICJ to settle it.



Koreans don't want to take the Dokdo/Takeshima issue to the ICJ in The Hague because Korean culture and society does not recognize the court system of justice and law. Koreans have no concept of "laws" and "rules". In Korea, whoever screams the loudest or waves the largest amount of money in his hand is the person who rules over others. Such a lawless and corrupt society in which there is no concept or respect for ethical principles would be a joke if it tried to actually adopt a civilized legal system such as those employed by first world countries. Koreans also are incapable of understanding the concept of having to provide evidence to prove an argument. In Korea, whoever screams the loudest is the one who wins an argument, not the person who provides the best evidence.
indacut
hey darkhamster
Dokbokki
QUOTE(indacut @ Jul 24 2008, 01:49 PM) *
hey darkhamster


Just report him, he doesn't even deserve replies.
That's the same nei-nazi supporter that always say something against to Korea.
he's classic example why so many Koreans have left here.
qwe123
i support Japan on this issue
biggrin.gif
baal
QUOTE(Dokbokki @ Jul 23 2008, 03:51 PM) *
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If Japan wants Dokdo, first they have win the war with Korea and I don't see this coming now.
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Not necessarily. The Japanese may have to wait until there is a change in the correlation of economic, political and military forces in the region as there was in 1910 and 1945.
Dokbokki
QUOTE(baal @ Jul 25 2008, 06:03 AM) *
Not necessarily. The Japanese may have to wait until there is a change in the correlation of economic, political and military forces in the region as there was in 1910 and 1945.


Then that would be the end of japan, are more beefed up Koreas and rest of asian nations along with Russian will let them be like then in 1910?

America & Russia should have divided Japan back in 1948.
Cha
QUOTE(bbundaegi @ Jul 24 2008, 11:18 AM) *
Well, take it from me...someone who actually has taught in the Korean school system and has seen the garbage that they try to pass off as "history" including such outrageous claims of the Korean War as as:

- The US and Russia decided to start the Korean War because they could not let the ammunition leftover from WWII to go to waste.

I'm sure a troll who rarely leaves his room made that up in the internet.

QUOTE(bbundaegi @ Jul 24 2008, 11:18 AM) *
- Korea singlehandedly defeated both Japan and N.Korea to win the Korean War...

The Koreans know the difference between WWII and the Korean War.
Also, although Japan wasn't involved in the fighting of the Korean War, Japan was on the American side. The Japanese cleared naval mines off the coast of North Korea that were made by the communists.

QUOTE(bbundaegi @ Jul 24 2008, 11:18 AM) *
- Kim Jong Il and Kim Il Sung are the most generous and kindest leaders in the world who only want peace and would never dream of harming others. They live humbly just like all of the common citizens in N. Korea.
- N. Korea is a utopian state where everyone is happy since there is no foreign influence at all. An ideal state is a purely Korean state.

Then why are there a lot of North Koreans fleeing the North and none of the South Koreans fleeing to the North? Do you think they appreciate the North Korean soldiers who shoot at the South Koreans from time to time?

EvilAsianDude
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I know, Korea's legal claims over Takeshima is so strong that they refuse to go to the ICJ to settle it.


Do you have amnesia? I pwned you like a million times in the past over this same ICJ bull$hit remark. You have a serious case of amnesia, just like a majority of Japanese historians. Let me answer your stupid question.

There is now law binding Korea to go to court. Japan can cry to Korea and beg for us to go to court. But ultimately its our decision on whether to listen to them or not. Korea controls every pebble and droplet of water on the islands. We control the islands and its EEZ. THe whole world recognizes Koreas claims to the island. And even the Japanese government is forced to obey Koreas territorial laws. In short, the Japanese government already partially recognizes Koreas sovereignty over the islands(but they dont like to admit it). Korea doesnt want to go to the ICJ for the following reasons. Number 1 and 5 are the biggest reasons. Whats the freakin point in giving up islands you already control and going to court over it?

1. Korea already controls the islands. Whats the point of going to court over something you already control?
2. What does Korea have to gain over going to court?
3. Waste of time. Best to ignore day to day monkey claims by the Japanese.
4. Waste of money.
5. In order for Korea to go to court, it would need to officially give up Dokdo and turn it into a disputed territory. As of now Korea does not consider Dokdo a disputed territory. A disputed territory cannot be controlled or owned. Using military force in disputed territories is strictly illegal and against international law. If Japanese ships were to enter Dokdo today(which is sovereign Korean territory and recognized as such). The Korean navy could legally blast it to smithereens under the context of territorial encroachment by a foreign country and it would be the Japanese who are at fault. In a disputed territory however this does not apply. If Dokdo were to become a disputed territory, Japanese ships(naval and fishing) would be allowed to land, fish and strip Dokdo of resources as the islands are no longer Korean territory but rather disputed. The Korean navy in return cannot retaliate in force in disputed territories. In short, Japan is trying to use a loophole in disputed territory status for its own selfish and disgusting motives.

Japan doesnt actually plan on winning in the ICJ. In fact it knows very well that it will lose and how weak Japanese claims to the islands are. Its only motives is to turn Dokdo into a disputed territory so that it could take its resources. Japan doesnt plan on going to court. It could drop the court case and Dokdo will still be a disputed territory. Or if they did go to court(highly unlikely) they could simply A. Delay the court date to a ridiculous date, B. Not show up at court, or C. Go to court, lose then demand a retrial.

In short the ICJ accomplishes nothing and is a ploy by the Japanese government to take its resources. What I find funny about the Japanese is that they refuse to go to court over the Diaoyu Islands they took which is also claimed by China and Taiwan. Apparently the Japanese refuse to go to court over islands they control yet demands others to go to court over islands they dont control. What a bunch of ingrates and hypocrites. God I hate that country.
KoreanaHoosierHahkseng
Brah. Who the hell cares about the ICJ?

No country gives a f-cking rat's a$$ about the ICJ. This is why the US government doesn't want to use the international court of justice and keep the US soldiers immune from this stupid corrupt court system.

The magistrates or judges who sits on this "international court" make verdicts based on what they had for lunch.

They also play favoritism, and sure enough, japan with the money and political power they have in the global community will have the verdict in their favor.

Remember brah, japan gov == bribery.


QUOTE(Chinilpa kalani o sullivan da kanaka f@g @ Jul 23 2008, 09:32 PM) *
I know, Korea's legal claims over Takeshima is so strong that they refuse to go to the ICJ to settle it.


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bbundaegi, you're so stupid. Not only do the Koreans not observe the ICJ, but the US gov also don't give a sh_t about the ICJ. It's a "joke" court system.

Japan's government wants to use this court system because they know they can "buy off" friends in the ICJ who will rule in favor of the bribery-dependent Japanese government.

Koreans have no concept of law? I see corruption and loud mouthers in Japan as well. The largest sum of money bullsh_t excuse you talk about is clearly what Japanese government like to do... bribery.

You know what? The person who screams the loudest here in the US also gets the largest share of the pie.

I don't know what planet you live on bro. But it's called being proactive. Wake up fool.



QUOTE('bundaegi dol degari')
Koreans don't want to take the Dokdo/Takeshima issue to the ICJ in The Hague because Korean culture and society does not recognize the court system of justice and law. Koreans have no concept of "laws" and "rules". In Korea, whoever screams the loudest or waves the largest amount of money in his hand is the person who rules over others. Such a lawless and corrupt society in which there is no concept or respect for ethical principles would be a joke if it tried to actually adopt a civilized legal system such as those employed by first world countries. Koreans also are incapable of understanding the concept of having to provide evidence to prove an argument. In Korea, whoever screams the loudest is the one who wins an argument, not the person who provides the best evidence.
Dokbokki
I've check his personal website, apparently he won the award for "Woman's Touch Awards".
And when I wanted to check his award link, I get this.

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