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Hafiz
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In Mongolia, sex tourism by S. Korean males leads to anti-Korean sentiment
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edi...nal/298846.html

Korean men have damaged South Korea’s image
roflmao25
Yet posted here by a Chinese. Ironic.
Hafiz
QUOTE(roflmao25 @ Jul 26 2008, 08:05 AM) *
Yet posted here by a Chinese. Ironic.


Are you admitting that you are a RACIST ?
roflmao25
Nope I'm admitting the irony of a people not generally liked by us, spreading other hate of a people that they don't indeed like themselves. Thus trying to blow some of the heat onto the Koreans.
DutchEastIndiesMan
Mongolian Talk is dead guys.....
TTTVTTT
This is not good yea, Korean guys should not be engaging in sex tourism in Mongolia a place they feel is thier origin.

No one should be engaged in sex tourism it is sick.


Isnt Hafiz a turkish name? Hafiz is chinese? I always thought he was Turk from his name.
roflmao25
Nope Hafiz is your typical hujaa supremecist.
applepannic
Stupid tourist, take your d!ck out in your own country.
huntermoguh
At least Koreans don't eat cats, scorpions and rat for dinner.
thedrifter
wow, as a korean i'm deeply offended by the actions of some koreans who give our people a bad reputation.

my apologies to our mongol brethren.

oh and hafiz is a anti-korean faggot who sleeps with his own sister.
tristan215
QUOTE(thedrifter @ Jul 27 2008, 12:35 PM) *
oh and hafiz is a anti-korean faggot who sleeps with his own sister.


lol.
roflmao25
All it was, was hafiz's attempt to get mongolians to rip Koreans because he does, as if we're all dumb enough not to see that tactic.
KoreanaHoosierHahkseng
Man hafiz, what's up with the anti-Korea sentiment? If you were a Korean person posting this up, then that would be fine.

I'm all for Asian unity. I don't know about some of you people here. Perhaps some of you live "comfortably" in Hong Kong or Beijing or Seoul, whereas us Asians in the US are treated like garbage on a daily basis.

Anyhow, on the other hand, I am deeply upset that Korean guys would do this kind of sh_t in Mongolia. Like that 70 year old punk who made a Mongolian girl pregnant and ran off. I would hunt him down if that happened to my daughter.
applepannic
QUOTE(huntermoguh @ Jul 27 2008, 05:41 AM) *
At least Koreans don't eat cats, scorpions and rat for dinner.


Who in the world eats cats? All fur, stinky hardly any meat. That's almost worst than dog eating.
VRC
QUOTE(applepannic @ Jul 27 2008, 09:47 PM) *
Who in the world eats cats? All fur, stinky hardly any meat. That's almost worst than dog eating.



Why eat duck? Hardly any meat, mostly fat, bones and feathers.

Why eat rabbits, hardly any meat just fur and ears.

Why eat snails? Slimey and disgusting.

Why eat frog? Slimey and disgusting.

Why not eat cat its just a animal like every other animal humans eat. People just hate on it because its not white french cuisine.
If it was french im sure the world would think its a classy delicacy. Asians need to change there attitude towards themselves if they are going to have a hope of leading the world. This attitude asians have is not leader mentality that can change and control things.

Do chinese really eat cats? Can anyone confirm? How do you prepare it?

French put a lot of garlic on snails. I dont think we should look down on chinese if they eat cat its just anti asian attitude if you think about it.
Mangafan2
QUOTE(KoreanaHoosierHahkseng @ Jul 28 2008, 01:24 AM) *
Man hafiz, what's up with the anti-Korea sentiment? If you were a Korean person posting this up, then that would be fine.


No man, that's just as worse.
It's about the intention not the country he's from.
I ain't saying his intentions are bad (maybe they are maybe they ain't) I'm just saying this in general.

And uhm, food is food. Doesn't matter what you eat. It isn't disrespectful if you eat certain kinds of food, it's all about surviving in life and fulfulling your basic needs.
roflmao25
It's Hafiz thats his entire purpose here.
applepannic
QUOTE(VRC @ Jul 27 2008, 09:58 PM) *
Why eat duck? Hardly any meat, mostly fat, bones and feathers.

Why eat rabbits, hardly any meat just fur and ears.

Why eat snails? Slimey and disgusting.

Why eat frog? Slimey and disgusting.

Why not eat cat its just a animal like every other animal humans eat. People just hate on it because its not white french cuisine.
If it was french im sure the world would think its a classy delicacy. Asians need to change there attitude towards themselves if they are going to have a hope of leading the world. This attitude asians have is not leader mentality that can change and control things.

Do chinese really eat cats? Can anyone confirm? How do you prepare it?

French put a lot of garlic on snails. I dont think we should look down on chinese if they eat cat its just anti asian attitude if you think about it.


Duck has meat, especially those raised for their meat. They taste better than chicken. biggthumpup.gif

Rabbits are used because they tasted like chicken, and their meat is consumed widely in different cultures even in Italian cuisine. Certain breeds are raised fro meat. beerchug.gif

Snails yuck! thumbsdown.gif

Cats are yucky! They pleasure themselves with their tongues, and I'm sure no one breeds them for meat. thumbsdown.gif

Frogs from the Chinese restaurant taste good. They surprisingly have a lot of meat on their thighs. you only eat the thighs. kiss.gif
KrustyKlown
QUOTE(applepannic @ Jul 28 2008, 03:49 PM) *
Duck has meat, especially those raised for their meat. They taste better than chicken. biggthumpup.gif

Rabbits are used because they tasted like chicken, and their meat is consumed widely in different cultures even in Italian cuisine. Certain breeds are raised fro meat. beerchug.gif

Snails yuck! thumbsdown.gif

Cats are yucky! They pleasure themselves with their tongues, and I'm sure no one breeds them for meat. thumbsdown.gif

Frogs from the Chinese restaurant taste good. They surprisingly have a lot of meat on their thighs. you only eat the thighs. kiss.gif



Duck has little meat, even the fattened ones are pretty boney. Besides why not fatten a cat then? Havnt you seen a fat cat? There huge!

What the fu-k does it matter if other cultures eat the Rabbits! Is it okay to eat something if the Italians eat it? fu-king white worshipping litte $hit! If all the other cultures ate cats and especially Italias it would be now ok to eat cat? fu-king follower man not a leader! No room for greatness in you! Typical asian!

Cats are yucky because they lick themselves? Oh then stop eating shrimp or crab, they do even more disgustnig things and eat $hit off the bottom of the ocean floor and rotting things. Hell stop eating pigs, they eat there own $hit. Chickens peck at there feathers to clean them ewww yuck! Stop with your fuking moronic reasons. And like i said if cats dont have meat, there like ducks and you can fatten both of them up.

So you kill a whole frog just to eat the thigh? That sounds preetty fu-ked up and cruel to me.


Besides my point was theres no reason why you shouldnt eat a cat! Your not just eating its legs like a frog, you can make it fatter than a duck, its less disgusting then a crab or prawns and it seems we think its wrong because Italians wont eat it!
Fuking pathetic pieces of $hit! Asians can never soar with people like you! You pathetic piece of $hit get the fuk outta here! Did you hear me! Get the fu-k outta here!!!!
roflmao25
This must be TTTVTTTTT lol
youngjae
Hafiz <--- hey sina man

what's intention which sina man who is not mongolian wrote this notice board?

it is 80million prostitute sina girl who sell body to foreign man in sina...onemore time, 80million sina prostitutes.

u do have been saved in foreign man's se.x slave from ur 80million cina prostitutes do

of coz, a few's korean tourists go to mongol and pay money and that have sex is that is very bad.

but, it is a few.

mongol man does robber in south korea and did rape 15years old korean girl.

then, are all mongol man robber and rape offender?

also, is it a few bad korean tourists' problem who all pays money and have sex?

mongol government which do not control it ?

and mongol woman who sell body to money ?

does bad korean tourist the a few did not pay money to mongol woman and did rape compulsorily to mongol women?

some bad action ..if it is narcotic

it is that demander is because is first supplier..

a person who inhale narcotic is a bad person and is a person who sell narcotic that is innocense?

great many foreigners have sex in thailand.

then, great many thai peoples who manage thailand's great many prostitutes and prostitutes who sell body to earn money easily

they(thai mans who manage thai's great many prostitutes and many thai prostitutes) is no any crime and is all crime foreign men's sin who pay money in thailand and have sex?

Let's speak honestly..u are man..

ur wealths are 10 billion dollars..and you are single

if u went to abroad, if do that pay only 100$ can have sex with woman, are you yourself who never shake ur mind in the beautiful girl temptation?

only, mongol government is that become if inflict punishment do to bad korean these a few all thoroughly.

even if mongol love very sina and hate south korea

south korean think of mongol as the most friendly nation along with germany..

anyway, cina man is that u do not have intention which this wrote.

simply, u care to exterminate sina women who is foreign men's sex slave 80million sina prostitutes of ur dictatorship country.
Dokbokki
hafiz, the 10 year old Chinese kid who hates Koreans, Mongolians and Japanese.
sex tourism is something most countries have, so what China is now becoming sex capital of the world.
roflmao25
I'm glad I broke Hafiz's sister in for him.
applepannic
QUOTE(KrustyKlown @ Jul 28 2008, 08:07 PM) *
Duck has little meat, even the fattened ones are pretty boney. Besides why not fatten a cat then? Havnt you seen a fat cat? There huge!

What the fu-k does it matter if other cultures eat the Rabbits! Is it okay to eat something if the Italians eat it? fu-king white worshipping litte $hit! If all the other cultures ate cats and especially Italias it would be now ok to eat cat? fu-king follower man not a leader! No room for greatness in you! Typical asian!

Cats are yucky because they lick themselves? Oh then stop eating shrimp or crab, they do even more disgustnig things and eat $hit off the bottom of the ocean floor and rotting things. Hell stop eating pigs, they eat there own $hit. Chickens peck at there feathers to clean them ewww yuck! Stop with your fuking moronic reasons. And like i said if cats dont have meat, there like ducks and you can fatten both of them up.

So you kill a whole frog just to eat the thigh? That sounds preetty fu-ked up and cruel to me.
Besides my point was theres no reason why you shouldnt eat a cat! Your not just eating its legs like a frog, you can make it fatter than a duck, its less disgusting then a crab or prawns and it seems we think its wrong because Italians wont eat it!
Fuking pathetic pieces of $hit! Asians can never soar with people like you! You pathetic piece of $hit get the fuk outta here! Did you hear me! Get the fu-k outta here!!!!


O.K I'm a piece of $hit because I find cats yucky to consume. I tried duck, I've tried frogs, rabbits, insects, deer and I've even tried snails. I like ducks and frogs, but I dislike snails. I won't eat a fu-king cat or dog if you paid me, and yes its cultural issues. I could care less White people do, but in my Asian culture we don't eat cats or dogs. I think I have the right to not eat anything I don't want to.
DesertWolf
QUOTE(applepannic @ Jul 30 2008, 03:25 AM) *
O.K I'm a piece of $hit because I find cats yucky to consume. I tried duck, I've tried frogs, rabbits, insects, deer and I've even tried snails. I like ducks and frogs, but I dislike snails. I won't eat a fu-king cat or dog if you paid me, and yes its cultural issues. I could care less White people do, but in my Asian culture we don't eat cats or dogs. I think I have the right to not eat anything I don't want to.



'Eat Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit'!


'Eeeat Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit'!


*pushes applepannic's face into a plate of cat icon_twisted.gif
EvilAsianDude
This topic = pwned

Everyone is bashing Hafiz. Poor kid lol embarassedlaugh.gif
Hafiz
QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Jul 30 2008, 10:38 AM) *
This topic = pwned

Everyone is bashing Hafiz. Poor kid lol embarassedlaugh.gif


Ha ha ha.....you got everything wrong.....everyone here is busy licking each other's @$$ while Hafiz watch and laugh.
roflmao25
No, we're too busy kicking yours.
Dokbokki
QUOTE(Hafiz @ Jul 31 2008, 01:42 AM) *
Ha ha ha.....you got everything wrong.....everyone here is busy licking each other's @$$ while Hafiz watch and laugh.


embarassedlaugh.gif
wow this is so sad.
applepannic
QUOTE(DesertWolf @ Jul 30 2008, 06:24 AM) *
'Eat Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit'!
'Eeeat Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit'!


*pushes applepannic's face into a plate of cat icon_twisted.gif


Talktohand.gif By the way you make it sound, it looks like I'm eating pussy.
chymali
QUOTE(youngjae @ Jul 28 2008, 10:52 PM) *
Hafiz <--- hey sina man

what's intention which sina man who is not mongolian wrote this notice board?

it is 80million prostitute sina girl who sell body to foreign man in sina...onemore time, 80million sina prostitutes.

u do have been saved in foreign man's se.x slave from ur 80million cina prostitutes do

of coz, a few's korean tourists go to mongol and pay money and that have sex is that is very bad.

but, it is a few.

mongol man does robber in south korea and did rape 15years old korean girl.

then, are all mongol man robber and rape offender?

also, is it a few bad korean tourists' problem who all pays money and have sex?

mongol government which do not control it ?

and mongol woman who sell body to money ?

does bad korean tourist the a few did not pay money to mongol woman and did rape compulsorily to mongol women?

some bad action ..if it is narcotic

it is that demander is because is first supplier..

a person who inhale narcotic is a bad person and is a person who sell narcotic that is innocense?

great many foreigners have sex in thailand.

then, great many thai peoples who manage thailand's great many prostitutes and prostitutes who sell body to earn money easily

they(thai mans who manage thai's great many prostitutes and many thai prostitutes) is no any crime and is all crime foreign men's sin who pay money in thailand and have sex?

Let's speak honestly..u are man..

ur wealths are 10 billion dollars..and you are single

if u went to abroad, if do that pay only 100$ can have sex with woman, are you yourself who never shake ur mind in the beautiful girl temptation?

only, mongol government is that become if inflict punishment do to bad korean these a few all thoroughly.

even if mongol love very sina and hate south korea

south korean think of mongol as the most friendly nation along with germany..

anyway, cina man is that u do not have intention which this wrote.

simply, u care to exterminate sina women who is foreign men's sex slave 80million sina prostitutes of ur dictatorship country.


I'm sure you had great intentions. But I did not understand a thing you said.

And to everyone else: There's sex tourism everywhere. I could care less who's recieiving or who's giving. To me, it's just some perverted guys/girls and some prostitutes.
lluk
You got to understand, Mongolians are only 2 million. If foreigners keep going in and mixing with their women, there will soon no longer be pure Mongols left. Maybe this is plans of some Koreans who wish to be Mongolians? Mongolian women are popular in China too, but they work in the sex trade industry (ie prostitution), mainly in Beijing's Sanlitun District. There is now a temporary ban on them for the Summer Olympics, but they will be back afterwards. Some of them also work in Macau and Hong Kong too.
Viceversa
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 2 2008, 05:27 PM) *
You got to understand, Mongolians are only 2 million. If foreigners keep going in and mixing with their women, there will soon no longer be pure Mongols left. Maybe this is plans of some Koreans who wish to be Mongolians? Mongolian women are popular in China too, but they work in the sex trade industry (ie prostitution), mainly in Beijing's Sanlitun District. There is now a temporary ban on them for the Summer Olympics, but they will be back afterwards. Some of them also work in Macau and Hong Kong too.


Isn't there are about 6million Mongolians in China?
Why not re-take the immigranst from China to increase Mongolian geneology?

The only way to stop sex-trade is either ban them or fully legalize & regulate the Industry, soon as these gangsters are gone sex drive goes down.
lluk
Mongolian women have a different view of sex compared to Chinese and Koreans. Their thinking is a lot more like the West (no inhibitions).
Shandong_pao2
I don't see a big deal out of this.. the Koreans are porring money into the country.. not like these girls are being forced or anything. They earn probably 100x more than what they can earn from their normal jobs.

Relax ppl, it's only sex.. it's just a trade off.. Many countries in South America promote that stuff to attract tourism. Every country has prositutes... just think as these guys are dropping $$ and to help the economy growth.
FriarTuck
QUOTE(Shandong_pao2 @ Aug 22 2008, 10:46 PM) *
I don't see a big deal out of this.. the Koreans are porring money into the country.. not like these girls are being forced or anything. They earn probably 100x more than what they can earn from their normal jobs.

Relax ppl, it's only sex.. it's just a trade off.. Many countries in South America promote that stuff to attract tourism. Every country has prositutes... just think as these guys are dropping $$ and to help the economy growth.



If you cant eat then maybe you might resort to that if your a woman since it is more difficult to rob someone or a bank but would you stilll do it if you had enough to eat but was poor?

I say no!
Eastern_Knight
Hafiz is my 4th cousin.
huntermoguh
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 2 2008, 04:27 AM) *
You got to understand, Mongolians are only 2 million. If foreigners keep going in and mixing with their women, there will soon no longer be pure Mongols left. Maybe this is plans of some Koreans who wish to be Mongolians? Mongolian women are popular in China too, but they work in the sex trade industry (ie prostitution), mainly in Beijing's Sanlitun District. There is now a temporary ban on them for the Summer Olympics, but they will be back afterwards. Some of them also work in Macau and Hong Kong too.


You're a fu-king idiot.
lluk
^This is what you wrote me back in Korea threads regarding Imjin War and southern Chinese:

>>>There's no evidence that southern Chinese troops were in the Imjin war, they were "Ming China". Genetic evidence suggests 0% contribution of southern Chinese to Korean gene pool, though they contributed to the Japanese gene pool (O2a and O1 haplogroups to be exact). So any admixture of southern Chinese with Koreans is nil.<<<

There were plenty of southern Chinese troops in Imjin War. Regarding genetic influence, the southern Han Chinese today are mostly O3 and O3a5. O2a and O1 figure less than 15% among them. Of course, when the genes spread to Koreans, it will mostly be O3.
huntermoguh
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 26 2008, 02:08 AM) *
^This is what you wrote me back in Korea threads regarding Imjin War and southern Chinese:

>>>There's no evidence that southern Chinese troops were in the Imjin war, they were "Ming China". Genetic evidence suggests 0% contribution of southern Chinese to Korean gene pool, though they contributed to the Japanese gene pool (O2a and O1 haplogroups to be exact). So any admixture of southern Chinese with Koreans is nil.<<<

There were plenty of southern Chinese troops in Imjin War. Regarding genetic influence, the southern Han Chinese today are mostly O3 and O3a5. O2a and O1 figure less than 15% among them. Of course, when the genes spread to Koreans, it will mostly be O3.


Actually, you're wrong again.

O2a and O1 is found at much more than 15% of southern Han.
QUOTE
Haplogroup O2a is distributed widely in Asia, from southern India to the Altai Mountains and Central Asia in the west, and from Indonesia to northern China and Japan in the east. It is found only at marginally low frequencies of approximately 1% at the periphery of its distribution in southern India, Central Asia, northern China, and Japan, but many populations within the vast intervening territory in South Asia, Southeast Asia, and southern China display a greatly elevated frequency of Haplogroup O2a Y-chromosomes. Patrilines within Haplogroup O2a predominate among the Austro-Asiatic populations of South and Southeast Asia, such as the Khmer of Cambodia and the Khasi of Meghalaya in northeastern India. Some researchers have reported that slightly over half of all men in a composite sample of Austro-Asiatic speakers belonged to Haplogroup O2a. Haplogroup O3 (M122), which attains its peak frequency among the Sino-Tibetan and Hmong-Mien peoples of China and Southeast Asia, and Haplogroup O1a (M119), which predominates among Taiwanese aborigines and many populations of the Philippines, also generally occur among speakers of Austro-Asiatic languages in South China and the Indochinese Peninsula, but usually at much lower frequencies than Haplogroup O2a. The hypothesis that Haplogroup O2a was the major Y-chromosome haplogroup of the proto-Austro-Asiatic population is strengthened by the fact that Haplogroup O2a is the only haplogroup found among many Austro-Asiatic-speaking tribes, such as the Juang of mainland India and the Shompen of the Nicobar Islands.[

The frequencies of Haplogroup O1 among various East Asian and Austronesian populations suggest a complex genetic history of the modern Han populations of southern China. Although Haplogroup O1 occurs only at an average frequency of approximately 4% among Han populations of northern China and peoples of southwestern China and Southeast Asia who speak Tibeto-Burman languages, the frequency of this haplogroup among the Han populations of southern China nearly quadruples to about 15%. It is particularly interesting that the frequency of Haplogroup O1 among the Southern Han has been found to be slightly greater than the arithmetic mean of the frequencies of Haplogroup O1 among the Northern Han and a pooled sample of Austronesian populations. This suggests that modern Southern Han populations possess a non-trivial number of male ancestors who were originally affiliated with some Austronesian-related culture, or who at least shared a genetic affinity with many of the ancestors of modern Austronesian peoples.


Looks like most frequent among southern Han Chinese are haplogroups are O1, O2a and O3. If there was any admixture with Koreans, then O2a and O1 would appear, but O1 and O2a hasn't been detected in Koreans.

Southern Han admixture among Koreans is nil, as well as is Chinese in general. Can you even find 1 sample Korean with haplogroup O2a?

On the other hand O2a and O1 is found at 5-10% frequency among Japanese. Are you now going to claim southern Chinese men interacted with Japanese population?

Plus you haven't given me any evidence about southern Chinese troops.
eiffeltowercopycat
Could Hafiz in some way stop trolling about korean issues and stop spreading hatred amnog asians?

lluk
^^Evidence of the presence of southern Han Chinese troops in Korea's Imjin War:

[Hideyoshi was dissatisfied with the first campaign and decided to attack Korea again. One of the main differences between the first and second invasions was that conquering China was no longer a goal for the Japanese. Failing to gain a foothold during Katō Kiyomasa's Chinese campaign and the full retreat of the Japanese during the first invasion affected Japanese morale. Hideyoshi and his generals instead planned to conquer Korea.

Instead of the nine divisions during the earlier invasion, the armies invading Korea were divided into the Army of the Left and the Army of the Right, consisting of about 49,600 men and 30,000 respectively.

Soon after the Chinese ambassadors returned safely to China in 1597, Hideyoshi sent 200 ships with approximately 141,100 men[140] under the overall command of Kobayakawa Hideaki.[141] Japan's second force arrived unopposed on the southern coast of Gyeongsang Province in 1596. However, the Japanese found that Korea was both better equipped and ready to deal with an invasion this time.[142] In addition, upon hearing this news in China, the imperial court in Beijing appointed Yang Hao (楊鎬) as the supreme commander of an initial mobilization of 55,000 troops[140] from various (and sometimes remote) provinces across China, such as Sichuan, Zhejiang, Huguang, Fujian, and Guangdong.[143] A naval force of 21,000 was included in the effort.[144] Rei Huang, a Chinese historian, estimated that the combined strength of the Chinese army and navy at the height of the second campaign was around 75,000.[145] Korean forces totaled 30,000 with General Gwon Yul's army in Gong Mountain (공산; 公山) in Daegu, General Gwon Eung's (권응) troops in Gyeongju, Gwak Jae-u's soldiers in Changnyeong (창녕), Yi Bok-nam’s (이복남) army in Naju, and Yi Si-yun's troops in Chungpungnyeong.[140]


lluk
Southern Han Chinese paternal genetic pattern (see below)

From Su etl al 2000 "Y chromosome haplotypes reveal prehistorical migrations to the Himalayas:

Shandong Han- 28.1% O3; 28.1% O3a5 (32 samples)
Zhejiang Han- 24% O3; 26% O3a5 (50 samples)
Jiangsu Han- 23.6% O3; 21.8% O3a5 (55 samples)
Shanghai Han- 23.3% O3; 16.7% O3a5 (30 samples)
Fujian Han- 38.5% O3; 38.5% O3a5 (13 samples)
Guangdong Han- 40% O3; 26.7% O3a5 (15 samples)
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O2a and O1 cannot account for 15-20% of southern Han Chinese Y chromosome at most. O3 and O3a5 are still the most common for both northern and southern Han Chinese.

If any gene that traveled from Chinese (northern and southern) into Koreans, it is more likely O3 and O3a5. Less likely O1 or O2a.
huntermoguh
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 27 2008, 01:33 AM) *
Southern Han Chinese paternal genetic pattern (see below)

From Su etl al 2000 "Y chromosome haplotypes reveal prehistorical migrations to the Himalayas:

Shandong Han- 28.1% O3; 28.1% O3a5 (32 samples)
Zhejiang Han- 24% O3; 26% O3a5 (50 samples)
Jiangsu Han- 23.6% O3; 21.8% O3a5 (55 samples)
Shanghai Han- 23.3% O3; 16.7% O3a5 (30 samples)
Fujian Han- 38.5% O3; 38.5% O3a5 (13 samples)
Guangdong Han- 40% O3; 26.7% O3a5 (15 samples)
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O2a and O1 cannot account for 15-20% of southern Han Chinese Y chromosome at most. O3 and O3a5 are still the most common for both northern and southern Han Chinese.

If any gene that traveled from Chinese (northern and southern) into Koreans, it is more likely O3 and O3a5. Less likely O1 or O2a.


Here is a link to the study Su etl al 2000 Y chromosome haplotypes reveal prehistorical migrations to the Himalayas
http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/HG_2000_v107_p582.pdf

Guangdong Han- 20% O1, 7% O2a
Guangxi Han- 66.7% O1
Hunan Han- 13.3% O1
Hubei Han- 16.7% O1
Shanghai- 26.7% O1
Henan Han- 11% O1
Fujian Han- 8% O2a

Looks like Haplogroup O1 occurs at high frequencies in southern Han Chinese. If you combine O1 and O2a among the most southern Han Chinese (Guangdong, Guangxi, Fujian), then about 30-70% belong to either O1 or O2a.
lluk
^Only Guangxi is near the 70% mark. Many of them are Sinicized Zhuangs.

Anyway, I am sure if you survey all the Koreans, you will come out some with O1 or O2a genes as well. During the Tang Dynasty, when Koguryo and Paekche kingdoms got conquered, over 300,000 of their people got deported and marched back into China as slaves. How come we don't find any Chinese with O2b genes today? You think all those Koguryo and Paekche slaves got worked to death in Tang? Or they killed the men and only kept the women slaves???
bboijoonshik
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 27 2008, 03:17 AM) *
^Only Guangxi is near the 70% mark. Many of them are Sinicized Zhuangs.

Anyway, I am sure if you survey all the Koreans, you will come out some with O1 or O2a genes as well. During the Tang Dynasty, when Koguryo and Paekche kingdoms got conquered, over 300,000 of their people got deported and marched back into China as slaves. How come we don't find any Chinese with O2b genes today? You think all those Koguryo and Paekche slaves got worked to death in Tang? Or they killed the men and only kept the women slaves???


so what are you trying to say ?
huntermoguh
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 27 2008, 02:17 AM) *
^Only Guangxi is near the 70% mark. Many of them are Sinicized Zhuangs.

Anyway, I am sure if you survey all the Koreans, you will come out some with O1 or O2a genes as well. During the Tang Dynasty, when Koguryo and Paekche kingdoms got conquered, over 300,000 of their people got deported and marched back into China as slaves. How come we don't find any Chinese with O2b genes today? You think all those Koguryo and Paekche slaves got worked to death in Tang? Or they killed the men and only kept the women slaves???


Guangxi Han Chinese=/= Zhuangs. Han Chinese and Zhuang are different branches of the Sino-Tibetan family.

So are you going to say Guangdong Han Chinese= Zhuangs? The 27% frequency of O1 and O2a among Guangdong Han Chinese makes them high frequency haplogroups. You make random facts up just to support your stupid theory, why can't you just accept the truth?

If you survey any Asian country, you will find most world lineages. Goguryeo people who got deported to China didn't even number 300,000. I don't even know where you got that figure from. Plus they were isolated populations and eventually, most died out.
Darkblade
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He has chronic inferiority complex, imagining and twisting things to his purpose. Last time I check O3 is found in higher percentage in northern chinese ~ and more O1* and O2* in the southern population. Zhuang are not sino tibetan, they are tai kadai btw.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 27 2008, 02:17 AM) *
^Only Guangxi is near the 70% mark. Many of them are Sinicized Zhuangs.

Anyway, I am sure if you survey all the Koreans, you will come out some with O1 or O2a genes as well. During the Tang Dynasty, when Koguryo and Paekche kingdoms got conquered, over 300,000 of their people got deported and marched back into China as slaves. How come we don't find any Chinese with O2b genes today? You think all those Koguryo and Paekche slaves got worked to death in Tang? Or they killed the men and only kept the women slaves???

Simple,it is because of dillution,O2B is only found among filipinos,cambodians,vietnamese,thais,indonesians,japanese and korean but not found in chinese...sounds fishy or lacks data.

here we go again about O1
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We further noticed the Daic lineages that are connected to ISEA lineages in the network. Interestingly, most of the Daic haplotypes connecting to the ISEA are either from Hainan Island or from Guangxi, which is to northwest of Hainan (green nodes with dark green frames in Figure 3). These Hainan and Guangxi populations are located around the Gulf of Tonkin. In particular, Cham, a Malayo-Polynesian population in South Vietnam, as well as Tsat in Hainan, which is a subgroup of Cham [11,39], were found to connect Daic and Indonesians in the network. Therefore, we hypothesized that the ISEA likely originated in the area around the Gulf of Tonkin, and migrated southward through the Indochina Peninsula to the Malaya Peninsula before they spread to most of the islands of the Pacific Ocean and the Indian Ocean.

The age of the O1a* haplogroup was estimated in the network. The total age is 33765 ± 5221 years, which corresponds to the last Ice Age. The age of all the Daic samples in the network is 33193 ± 5577 years, close to the age of O1a*. It is not easy to estimate the real age of the Taiwan clusters as they overlap with the Daic haplotypes to a large extent. This kind of overlap also indicates multiple migrations from Daic populations to Taiwan aborigines. We estimated the age of the Taiwan cluster in the left side of the network to be 14659 ± 3110 years. The estimated age of all the Taiwan samples is 21268 ± 3148 years. Interestingly, this latter age is close to the age of the oldest human remains found in Taiwan, those of the Chochen Man [40]. Therefore, we conclude that the migration of O1a* individuals from the mainland to Taiwan Island occurred during the Palaeolithic Age.

Because two fairly specific clusters of ISEA haplotypes can be observed in the network, we performed time estimates in both clusters. The age of the left ISEA cluster in the network is 9895 ± 2393 years, whereas that of the right cluster is 25880 ± 7137 years. The linguistic estimate for the origin of the Malayo-Polynesian is younger than that of our estimates, around 5000–6000 years ago [16]. Moreover, little overlap between Daic haplotypes and ISEA haplotypes is observed in the network, which indicates bottleneck effects might have formed the two ISEA clusters during the emigration of ISEA populations out of the ancestral Daic populations. Geographically, the bottleneck might be the narrow seashore of Vietnam. Therefore, the O1a* haplogroup was most probably introduced into ISEA populations during the origin of the Malayo-Polynesians more than 7500 years ago. However, the possibility of recent migrations of the O1a individuals into ISEA can not be ignored, because the genetic time estimate is not precise enough to eliminate such a possibility.

It should be noted that, in the Express Train Hypothesis, there are two different aspects: 1) the origin of the migrations, i.e. the Taiwan Homeland Hypothesis, and 2) the mode of migrations, i.e., a rapid dispersal starting from Indonesia. In this study, we examined the THH in Western Austronesians by including the Daic speakers and ISEA, both of which are largely missing in previous studies. We show that Taiwan is not likely the homeland of Indonesian ISEA, at least not for the major paternal lineages. Although both Taiwan aborigines and Indonesian ISEA derived from the Daic, their departures occurred separately, suggesting that the major paternal lineages of Western Austronesian populations are not monophyletic.

Interestingly, the spread of the domestic pig in the Southeast Asia archipelago and the Pacific took place in almost the same way as that of Western Austronesian populations suggested by our study. The pigs in Taiwan and in regions as far as Micronesia came directly from the mainland of East Asia, while those in the Southeast Asian archipelago and Polynesia came from the Indochina Peninsula. It is assumed that the domestic pig was introduced by human populations during early migrations, which would imply that humans have also entered the Southeast Asia archipelago and the Pacific in two different routes [41].

In fact, our observations are consistent with a monophyletic Austro-Tai super-phylum which contains Daic speakers, Malayo-Polynesians, and Taiwan aborigines [5]. The observations presented in this study demonstrate that it is absolutely necessary to include Daic populations and ISEA in the Austronesian origin studies. Without these groups, Polynesians and Taiwan aborigines would have appeared most similar to each other, leading to the conclusion that all the Austronesians originated in Taiwan.

Our results suggest that the Gulf of Tonkin is more likely the homeland of the paternal lineages of ISEA. Due to the complex nature of population migrations from Eastern Indonesia to the Pacific Islands [23,42-47], and the pronounced genetic division between Eastern and Western Austronesians [27], we opted not to include Polynesian data in our analysis. Instead, we only analyzed Western Austronesians. The absence of O1a-M119 in Polynesian populations is intriguing and it can not be simply explained by invoking the bottleneck effect [21-25] given that a great deal of diversity of Y chromosome haplotypes has been observed in Polynesians [23,42].

Consistent with our findings for paternal lineages, mitochondrial DNA studies on populations from Peninsular Malaysia also suggest an ancestry of aboriginal Malays in Indochina around the time of the Last Glacial Maximum [48]. This ancestry subsequently dispersed through the Malaya Peninsula into island Southeast Asia [48]. The ISEA mtDNA studies also indicated that if an Austronesian migration from Taiwan did take place, it was demographically minor [49].

Most of our conclusions are based on the analysis of O1a*, which is only a fraction of the Y-chromosome lineages found in these populations. The frequency of this group of lineages is remarkable in Taiwanese populations, but it is not so dramatic in Malayo-Polynesians or Daic populations. It is possible that some population events could have involved other Y-chromosome lineages. It is also reasonable that there are other minor parts of paternal lineages with different origins, such as aboriginal populations of Indonesia prior to the formation of Austronesian, or that more recent migrations from South Asia took place [29]. The genetic relationship amongst the East and Southeast Asians are much more complicated than expected.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...i?artid=2408594
lluk
Here is one Cantonese who grandson settled in Korea and spread some genes:

[Chen Lin (陳璘) Style Name: Chao Jue (1543-1607) was a Chinese general of the Ming Dynasty. Chen Lin was a native of modern-day Shaoguan (韶關) in Guangdong province. He quelled the 1562 uprisings in Chaozhou and Yingde in Guangdong province and was subsequently promoted to the Shoubei of Guangdong. Chen participated in various campaigns in Southern China against rebels and peasant uprisings thereafter.

Chen Lin was dispatched in 1598 to help repulse the Japanese in Hideyoshi's Invasions of Korea with the Korean admiral Yi Sun-sin. The aid was in response to a request by the Joseon Dynasty.

After campaigning in Korea, Chen was promoted and gained control of troops in Hunan and Guangdong. He led troops against the Miao peoples in Zunyi, Guizhou province and quelled the Miao (Hmong) uprising.

Chen Lin died of natural causes. His descendants are spread out across Guangdong, Guangxi, and Sichuan provinces. One of his grandsons, Chen Yongsu, settled in Korea.]

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