Mongols are Mongols. Koreans are Koreans. Now please go away.

Are you Mongolian?

You know, I hang out with a lot Korean people. I'm cool with them. I'm just completely weirded out by the weird Korean folks who think they're Mongols. Distantly related is your answer. How can Korean people DESCEND from Mongols when Mongols still exist today??

Is there actual evidence (genetics) to show that they're more related than any other people? I don't understand this obsession with Mongols, I guess you have to be one of the people who was conquered to be a fan huh.

genetics says no, but its a fetish I guess to 'distinct' yourself from your neighbours' ancestors:



This shows japanese are the closest to korean due to O3 and O2b

Well I don't trust all the genetic publications, because I've found other article about how Koreans were close to manchus, others says Koreans are close to Tungus and others mention about closeness to Mongolians.

I think many Japanese are trying to distant themselves from Koreans, so they often published some genetic articles saying Koreans are close to SE Asians and Japanese are close to Turks etc..

I think it's lot easy to say Mongols, Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese all belongs to East asian family group.

Btw, Koreans don't usually link up Korean genealogy with Mongolians, once again I have to mention this.

Koreans and Mongolians were once came from common ancestors but split up more than 10,000 years perhaps during the ice age, and Koreans and Japanese were split up around 3000~4000 yrs ago, and Jurchens or Tungus people possibly split up around 2000 years ago.

The main issue is, Koreans and Mongolians often discuss about their similarity with their physical appearances like face. Because for many eyes they do look closer than others.

case over.

I hate these topics, it just starts another china vs. korea war.

i thought those "guess ethnicity" threads show we all look alike :S whats the point of going so scientific into genetics if you cant even tell the difference lol.

Why can't people be happy with who they are, instead of trying to ask if someone came from something else? Mongol Chat has gone to $hit enough. It needs some charisma again.

For the last time, Koreans do not claim to be Mongolians. Its just one guy who keeps getting banned and comes back with another account. In fact the guy who made this topic is a troll.

Heres another stupid topic made by that troll who keeps getting banned.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=168833

Notice that none of the Korean posters claim to be Mongolian or want to be Mongolians. In fact they are fed up and annoyed by it, and call him a troll. So to any of you who Mongolians who think Koreans want to be Mongolians. Quit dreaming. Why the hell would Koreans want to be Mongolians?

ha, so japanese are related to koreans.

even tho they seem to hate each other

Koreans and Japanese are cousins. Not brothers. We are still very different.

Koreans are probably more related to Tungusic peoples.

That chart is off a Chinese member off a forum (hardly accurate).
It says only around 5% of Koreans have Haplogroup C3, which is totally false. It's at least 15%.

Manchurians and Han Chinese have much more O3 than Koreans or Japanese.

Have a look at this test
http://www.imbice.org.ar/es/lab_06_b/06.pdf

You will find that Koreans are about 10% haplogroup N and 17% haplogroup C3. Around 35% are O2b, and 30% are O3.
Mongolians are around 50% haplogroup C3. Heck, it's a Mongolian marker.

The rare occurance of haplogroup C3 among Chinese and Japanese are C3a and C3d, that's why you don't find Mongolian looking Chinese or Japanese. Korean C3 is pure C3 and this pure form is most commonly found in Mongolians. C3a and C3d is distinct from C3 and C3c, it's like the difference between O2a and O2b.

Comes to show Japanese are not entirely related to Koreans because of absence of Haplogroup C3 in pure form and haplogroup N.

Then feel free to give better source ~

http://www.imbice.org.ar/es/lab_06_b/06.pdf

here you go.


Koreans
C3- 17%
N3- 4%
N- 8%
O2b- 35%
O3- 30%

Japanese
C3- 5% (C3a)
N3- none
N- <1%
O2b- 35%
O3- 15%

Northern Han
C3- 10% (C3d)
N3- none
N- 7%
O2b- none
O3- 55%

Manchu
C3- 17%
N3- none
N- 2%
O2b- 34%
O3- 43%

wow nice source, thanks for that !

are you all freaking like geneticists or scientists or something? why does it seem like everyone on this site knows all about these obscure genes and chromosomes and stuff. i guess theyre all obsessed with proving they're related or not related to certain people

i think suren911 tries to say korean believe they came out of mongol, whereas korean never directly id themselves with mongolian people. If i am not mistaken, (please correct me if i am wrong), korean official history textbooks endorse this version of genelogy.

of course, this type of interpretation left the origin/whereabouts of mongolian people during that time completely unaddressed.

Shao, you do know that what you said makes no sense, correct?

This is not called obsession, just another useful information/knowledge ~ I know average people living in 'westernized culture' wont appreciate useful knowledge ~ and you still wonder why 'asians' from asia are a step ahead ?

And I suppose your chinese "knowledge" is always correct. lol

better than not trying

I'd rather not try than rely on that.

Thats because you dont have the resources: knowledge and education.

Coming from someone who beleives everything the PRC says, ironic. lol

If Koreans were originally Mongol, how come only 17% have the C3 marker? The Chinese marker (O3) must have multiplied in Korean population during the Chinese invasions of Han Dynasty, Tang Dynasty and Ming Dynasty? Maybe the C3 decreased while O3 increased at its expense? I have also read that Koreans have more Siberian mtDNA (maternal genes) compared to Han Chinese and Southeast Asians.

The data - 'knowledge' is japanese and the 'education' is american you mongol scum, nomadic barbarians will never be scholars ~

well sorry but i think i need to take a course in this stuff to understand it. it's not like it's your every day kind of small talk or conversation topic

biology 101 in every community college usualy teach about 'Y-chromosome' already, you dont need advanced class to understand that.

Coming from a guy that previously said for us not to hate hujaas, yet insults us, we can see through your deceptions. lol

Hell, this is like me and like subo says, "my mulan" lol


And I remember you as the one "Wishing me a new life" with the gf, yet say these things, so why should we beleive anything you say?

It's more like Chinese got their 03 from Donyi race, Koreans are from Dongyi and got mixed with Tungusic ppl from Siberia. Their founding mythology matches their geneology.

^Dongyi is more likely O2b. Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Thai, Indonesians all have this marker.

O3 spread to Koreans, Japanese and Vietnamese with expansion of Han Dynasty Chinese empire.

OK, you are correct. I misunderstood.
02b is for Koreans.

But I think O3 marker would have came through Korea before Han Dynasty.
May be carried by Hmong migration to Korea?

Cambodians, Thais, and Indonesians have haplogroup O3, too.

^It is well known they have Chinese blood through recent immigration. 1/3 of Thailand's population can claim at least one Chinese ancestor.

Better question, who cares?

Topic creator is a weird. Hes the one whos creating all those Korean-Mongolian topics under various banned accounts. And now hes claiming that hes tired of the comparisons.

What a freakin tool.

they do look like yous though

Mongols like to be friends/puppets to the West/U.S.A. more then with their Asian brothers(Chinese, Korean, Japanese).

^mongols don't see them as brothers and esspecially not teh chinese

u do know the crowd did not cheer for mongolia in the opening ceremony right?

*rolls eyes*