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Goombaking209
Where's Thailand? confused.gif

Oh yeah they weren't born into existence yet...
applepannic
That map is after Angkor was in declined and Majapahit rose. Cambodia was even bigger back then, thats why Thai writing is a simplified version of Khmer and your kings take Indian titles derived from Khmer.
Goombaking209
QUOTE(applepannic @ Aug 1 2008, 07:38 PM) [snapback]3846032[/snapback]
That map is after Angkor was in declined and Majapahit rose. Cambodia was even bigger back then, thats why Thai writing is a simplified version of Khmer and your kings take Indian titles derived from Khmer.


Either that or they probably got it from the Mon. Remember that Khmer were quite the expansionists who raided the Mon lands into Angkor Empire. It wasn't as if those lands in Thailand were barren, there existed many mon kingdoms before Angkor rose and swallowed them all.
applepannic
Yes, but the shape of the letters revealed that Thai comes directly from Khmer.
Goombaking209
QUOTE(applepannic @ Aug 1 2008, 07:44 PM) [snapback]3846046[/snapback]
Yes, but the shape of the letters revealed that Thai comes directly from Khmer.


About the Thai script, INDEED no doubt about that. I hate when they claim they got Indianized directly from India and Sinoized directly from China when its only half true, they got Indianized by the existing Mons and the Khmer who they built a culture from because the Thai (Siamese) are neither Mon nor Khmer and are just foreigners who came to live within the SEA household without ever paying rent or the phone bills. But since this was long time ago, things have changed and they have adopted the existing indegenous Mon and Khmer culture their own. I think we should be neutral and not so nationalistic on topics such as these, because in the eyes of the Mon 1000 years ago, the way we act now could be a similar impression on the way Thais are today.
applepannic
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Aug 1 2008, 09:51 PM) [snapback]3846067[/snapback]
About the Thai script, INDEED no doubt about that. I hate when they claim they got Indianized directly from India and Sinoized directly from China when its only half true, they got Indianized by the existing Mons and the Khmer who they built a culture from because the Thai (Siamese) are neither Mon nor Khmer and are just foreigners who came to live within the SEA household without ever paying rent or the phone bills. But since this was long time ago, things have changed and they have adopted the existing indegenous Mon and Khmer culture their own. I think we should be neutral and not so nationalistic on topics such as these, because in the eyes of the Mon 1000 years ago, the way we act now could be a similar impression on the way Thais are today.


I hate it when they claimed the Khmers had no part in their culture. However, the Siamese recieved much more influence from the Khmers than they did the Mons. The Northern Thais are the only one whose culture can be said is built up on Mon culture, while the Central Thais's culture is wholly Khmer.
Goombaking209
QUOTE(applepannic @ Aug 1 2008, 07:58 PM) [snapback]3846095[/snapback]
I hate it when they claimed the Khmers had no part in their culture. However, the Siamese recieved much more influence from the Khmers than they did the Mons. The Northern Thais are the only one whose culture can be said is built up on Mon culture, while the Central Thais's culture is wholly Khmer.


My hypothesis on the reason why they do this is because we exist right next door and practice a very similar culture to theirs in OUR NAME as Khmer, while the Mons are in Burma still trying to gain international diplomatic recognition as the Mon states. Because the Mon culture in Burma is tagged as Burmese -- It is much better for Thais to give credit to the Mons for influencing their culture. Khmer people exist with a lore and heritage/history of our own in the name of our sovereign country. If Thais were to credit Khmer as the influence of their own culture, wouldn't that make them feel insecure? The fact that we openly exist while the Mons are hidden but still exists.
KhmerLove
smtm I think we r lucky that we left some land to live. Lukier than CHAMPA.
Goombaking209
QUOTE(KhmerLove @ Aug 1 2008, 08:23 PM) [snapback]3846161[/snapback]
smtm I think we r lucky that we left some land to live. Lukier than CHAMPA.


It is very unfortunate about Champa. They were colonized some less than 400 years ago too.
KhmerLove
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Aug 2 2008, 10:28 AM) [snapback]3846170[/snapback]
It is very unfortunate about Champa. They were colonized some less than 400 years ago too.


I think because Khmer and Champa have two Good Neighbours who want to take everything.
applepannic
Cambodia today is small compared to what it was in the past, but I've realized we're very fortunate. Our country is about the size of new England combined.
Goombaking209
May be small, but the soil is rich and fertile. + the Tonle Sap is a blessing that allows 3 harvests per year. Basically is almost like california in Asia, where the crops keep on growing.
lemongrass
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Aug 1 2008, 11:40 PM) [snapback]3846287[/snapback]
May be small, but the soil is rich and fertile. + the Tonle Sap is a blessing that allows 3 harvests per year. Basically is almost like california in Asia, where the crops keep on growing.

Cambodia being small can be an advantage for the people. It is a low fertile plains(flood plains) for the most part of the country and Tonley Sab is the center of it all. In term of mountainous areas Cambodia have much less then her three immediate neighbors, Thailand, Laos and Vietnam. In term of population it is very small and with that people have room to breath and the lands can provide. Thats if the government and the people manage their affairs with care. Other advantage is that Cambodia is so easy to govern because of its close in its proximity.
BTW, I go fishing in Tonley Sab whenever I am there. Didn't you guys know that the great "Mekong Catfish" spawn in Tonley Sab, and live along the Mekong River. It is also protected by laws from Thailand and Cambodia.
Goombaking209
The Tonle Sap gave rise to Angkor, It should also give rise to Cambodia again. I think we should learn from our past and acknowledge the limits of power over land, water, and forests so that we don't overpopulate and build to our demise.
thewiseguy
How is it funny? Cambodia was alot bigger than that in the past. There is nothing funny about that map.
Goombaking209
QUOTE(thewiseguy @ Aug 1 2008, 10:21 PM) [snapback]3846365[/snapback]
How is it funny? Cambodia was alot bigger than that in the past. There is nothing funny about that map.


Yeah it was bigger, but our ancestors took those land fromt the pre-existing Mons who lived in modern day Thailand. The whole of Thailand was not Khmer, but made up of D'varavati (Mon), Haripunjaya (Mon), Srivijai (Malay?), and other kingdoms. I think the only real native Khmer lands that are really lost is Chenla ( somewhere in Issan area) and Funan (Kampuchea Krom).
menghuy
QUOTE(applepannic @ Aug 2 2008, 12:08 AM) [snapback]3846225[/snapback]
Cambodia today is small compared to what it was in the past, but I've realized we're very fortunate. Our country is about the size of new England combined.


i did the same thing, i tried to compare khmer's land to an american state last year and i came up the same thing you did. yes indeed, khmer's land is about the size of the new england states all together.
menghuy
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:41 AM) [snapback]3846393[/snapback]
Yeah it was bigger, but our ancestors took those land fromt the pre-existing Mons who lived in modern day Thailand. The whole of Thailand was not Khmer, but made up of D'varavati (Mon), Haripunjaya (Mon), Srivijai (Malay?), and other kingdoms. I think the only real native Khmer lands that are really lost is Chenla ( somewhere in Issan area) and Funan (Kampuchea Krom).


khmer history is so confused because we dont have the written history of our own. most what we read today is from the second or third parties whose wrote it. most of them are the foreigners. some goes to the different places to gether pieces to put together to make the history book . some go to the wrong place like thailand. they will not get the accurate imfomations about khmer,its all about them now . but its already made as a book, we as a new generation follow what we read and believing it. i thinks we should let go the past. the khmer's land were all split up in to thailand, laos, and vietnam, we khmers created those countries, its all our fault, no one else fault. the khmers people whose live in that part of the countries are atleast the second generations of khmers but they dont read or speak khmer. they no longer consider themself khmer,well only aabout one percent might called themself khmer. that doesnt matter because they will be also assimilate. every few hundred years people change their nationalities. who know three hundred years from now they will be back as khmers. again we should let the past go, there's not much we can do now. only to protect what we have left.
nuestrafamilia
bangcock will fall just like cambodia 555
applepannic
QUOTE(menghuy @ Aug 2 2008, 05:01 AM) [snapback]3846658[/snapback]
i did the same thing, i tried to compare khmer's land to an american state last year and i came up the same thing you did. yes indeed, khmer's land is about the size of the new england states all together.

khmer history is so confused because we dont have the written history of our own. most what we read today is from the second or third parties whose wrote it. most of them are the foreigners. some goes to the different places to gether pieces to put together to make the history book . some go to the wrong place like thailand. they will not get the accurate imfomations about khmer,its all about them now . but its already made as a book, we as a new generation follow what we read and believing it. i thinks we should let go the past. the khmer's land were all split up in to thailand, laos, and vietnam, we khmers created those countries, its all our fault, no one else fault. the khmers people whose live in that part of the countries are atleast the second generations of khmers but they dont read or speak khmer. they no longer consider themself khmer,well only aabout one percent might called themself khmer. that doesnt matter because they will be also assimilate. every few hundred years people change their nationalities. who know three hundred years from now they will be back as khmers. again we should let the past go, there's not much we can do now. only to protect what we have left.


Lol, I was bored so I tried that too. Do you know that Oklahoma is about the exact same size as Cambodia?

Actually, we did have marker stones and inscriptions that marked the extent of our territory. However, most of what survives today that was written by the Ancient Khmers were either religious or some other thing that doesn't tell us all we need to know.
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